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This is a recently developing issue that is finally getting some coverage in the news over the last few days. Due to an ongoing lawsuit - currently all IBR type plans are closed.


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I’ve still had 0% interest on the SAVE plan since Covid somehow. None of it makes sense to me. But I do feel lucky. I’ve been putting the money I would pay towards my loans in a 4% APY.

I’m meeting with a student loan planner in a few weeks to come up with strategies on how to repay it. I doubt he’ll even know what’s really going on. My advice to everyone is to just plan on paying it all… these plans are likely doomed
 
... My advice to everyone is to just plan on paying it all…
Yeah, that... and pay it asap.
The cavalry is not coming.
Student loans will ruin your life.

It helps to make goals (3x monthly minimum, X per month, X per year, etc),
and it helps to do rewards for making the pays (a bit of purchase for hobby, dinner out, show, etc for certain number of pays or finishing off a loan group).

The putting the money into other accounts instead of paying down loan is ok from a logic standpoint, bad from a behavioural standpoint.
There will always be other things that come up that'll look better for that MMA money "for student loans"... than actually paying the loans.
(just like running up credit cards, then paying them within grace period... it'll eventually blow up in your face)
 
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This is a recently developing issue that is finally getting some coverage in the news over the last few days. Due to an ongoing lawsuit - currently all IBR type plans are closed.


Hopefully they all die a quick, but still painful, death. The never ending supply of cheap (aka subsidized) student loan money is single handedly responsible for the dramatic rise in “cost of attendance” and the number of useless degree/educational programs that exist in Universities across the country.

There are enough people who are desperate enough to be called “doctor” that podiatry would still matriculate more students than we need. But knowing you have to make full payments on your student loans upon completion of school would certainly put some downward pressure on tuition prices and might actually apply some upward pressure on associate job compensation. Doesn’t work when you can defer your loan in perpetuity.
 
I've been harping on this for a long time here. Just pay off the student loans asap and don't wait for the government to SAVE you. They won't! All the loan forgiveness programs are a sham and should be treated it as that. You have to save yourself as you took out the loans as the undersigned. Deal with it. As a podiatrist with such regrets that had around $350K (after interest added after residency) and now with $41K remaining, I say it is doable if you live on less than you make and put your mind into killing it with a vengeance. I can't imagine having it linger on for years and years on my shoulders. The interest pause has helped me tremendously in the last couple of years and I took advantage of it. Now it's in limbo and we do not know what's going to happen next. You are in control of your finances. Plan accordingly, don't wait. I agree with Feli. The cavalry is not coming.
 
Option B:
Leave the US and never pay it.
You probably won't be able to use you podiatry degree, but do you really want to anyway?
 
Yop can attest to making over $4k a month in student loans repayment and I am barely making any dent on the principle, just paying back the interest for now.
Hopefully soon a good chuck of my payment will begin attacking the principle. As you can see I voluntary increased my monthly payments from $3k a month to over $4k a month. That is way more than my mortgage payment. I hope to pay off my student loans by 2030.
 

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The extra $1k that I payed on 12/03/2024 was to test the system if extra payments will be applied solely to principle. The answer is NO. It went to service the interest. Remember that interest is accrued daily on the principal so it helps if students are allowed to make extra payment directly towards the principle but they don't allow that if you have any outstanding interest balance.

For unsubsidized loans, after finishing school, residency and maybe fellowship, it is easy to accrue almost $100k in interest alone which must be paid back fully before any payments applies to the principle.

Student loans debt is worst than mortgage, car payment or even credit card debt.

For full transparency, as y'all can see below, I paid $45,310.32 in interest to student loans. The principle is still chilling and barely touched.
 

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The extra $1k that I payed on 12/03/2024 was to test the system if extra payments will be applied solely to principle. The answer is NO. It went to service the interest. Remember that interest is accrued daily on the principal so it helps if students are allowed to make extra payment directly towards the principle but they don't allow that if you have any outstanding interest balance.

For unsubsidized loans, after finishing school, residency and maybe fellowship, it is easy to accrue almost $100k in interest alone which must be paid back fully before any payments applies to the principle.

Student loans debt is worst than mortgage, car payment or even credit card debt.

For full transparency, as y'all can see below, I paid $45,310.32 in interest to student loans. The principle is still chilling and barely touched.
You can't mark down extra payments towards principal only like a mortgage?
 
Yop can attest to making over $4k a month in student loans repayment and I am barely making any dent on the principle, just paying back the interest for now.
Hopefully soon a good chuck of my payment will begin attacking the principle. As you can see I voluntary increased my monthly payments from $3k a month to over $4k a month. That is way more than my mortgage payment. I hope to pay off my student loans by 2030.
Good luck to you
 
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Is this what people actually want? I would absolutely prefer to get rid of my student loans through a combo of IBR+PSLF if I could. The other options - gambling for the rare hospital job or living like a student working a PP job - suck hard.
 
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Is this what people actually want? I would absolutely prefer to get rid of my student loans through a combo of IBR+PSLF if I could. The other options - gambling for the rare hospital job or living like a student working a PP job - suck hard.
I agree. Why would I want to live like a rat for 20 years dumping every spare cent from these mostly mediocre PP jobs into it; no family, no vacations, no nothing. The return on investment for this profession is hot ass, and most of us aren't practice owners grifting DME or grafts making deranged amounts. Most of us get the 150k-250k PP jobs and we do what we can
 
Good luck paying 4K a month while making 120k as a fresh grad


For the next 10 years
It's doable. Not fun. But it is doable.

120k gross = 84k (30% fed + state taxes minus deduct a bit of student loan interest)
$84k = $36k loan pays and $48k living... doable but not fun. $48k loan pays and $36k living is even possible in some areas.

The much more common situation (for DPMs) would be this type of median income level (for new grads):
$150k gross = $105k net
$105k = $60k loan pays and $45k living. (problems is that many pods try $24k loan pays - or less -and $81k or more for living/cars/house/fun)

...The much better option is obviously to have ~200k/yr (supergroup, associate who bonuses, VA job, solo PP slow, etc) or $300k+ (solo PP busy, partner in a group, hospital job, etc). Then, you can pay $5k, $6k, or more per month.... but that's just not most DPMs, especially early on.

And yeah, like @619 said, the student loan repay plans are obviously front-loaded with early payments to the interest.
This is just like mortgages or auto loans or any consumer loans behave (basically any loan, especially if you defer/forbear/get behind).
And of course the loan companies are always happy to do defer, forbearance, lower payments, extend repay... lol.

 
I've been harping on this for a long time here. Just pay off the student loans asap and don't wait for the government to SAVE you. They won't! All the loan forgiveness programs are a sham and should be treated it as that. You have to save yourself as you took out the loans as the undersigned.
I'm not a podiatrist but saw this thread and had to point out this is generally incorrect. The terms of the loans when signed generally list that repayment plan options are available, list which ones are available, and are part of the terms of the promissory agreement. Also many have fixed interest rates. Yes they do say the Dept of Edu has the authority to change, modify, or introduce different repayment plans, however if I signed expecting X and now they are telling me Y, the loan contract is no longer valid. Also what of those who have paid X months towards the agreed upon forgiveness timeline (i.e. IBR 20-25 years of payments) , should they suddenly just have to pay the whole amount when that isn't what they agreed to?

I had some private loans years ago from Sallie Mae, I noticed they weren't following the terms of the loans, and beat them at their own ruse and all those loans are now charged off and off my records.

Also if most loans are under repayment programs/plans, it does not make sense to pay off some larger balances as per the terms of the programs/plans as the forgiveness amount will offset any "savings" you had while dumping most of your money into paying them off. If they're not going to honor the contract of the promissory notes signed then why should the borrower? People want to preach the "well you took them out you pay them all back!" nonsense without realizing this is manipulated, what about all the companies who got bailed out in 2008 financial crisis or those PPE business loans many just had wiped clean? But yes let's shame ( not saying you or this thread is doing so) the average doctor or average citizen into thinking it's their sole responsibility.

I'll also add if they succeed in shuttering the Dept of Education with all federal loans listed as being under the Dept of Education as the holder of the promissory notes for these loans this will create a breach of contract and of the promissory notes. At present the Dept of Education contracts with servicers but the Dept ultimately is the holder of, and the other party (the borrower being the other), these loan promissory notes. If they try to transfer them to private lenders or privatize the system then these loans would fall under private loans and be eligible for bankruptcy discharge as well as held to state laws that limit or prevent wage garnishment or other garnishments for private loans.

Long term we should push for tax funded education for healthcare professions, not loans.
 
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I'm not a podiatrist but saw this thread and had to point out this is generally incorrect. The terms of the loans when signed generally list that repayment plan options are available, list which ones are available, and are part of the terms of the promissory agreement. Also many have fixed interest rates. Yes they do say the Dept of Edu has the authority to change, modify, or introduce different repayment plans, however if I signed expecting X and now they are telling me Y, the loan contract is no longer valid. Also what of those who have paid X months towards the agreed upon forgiveness timeline (i.e. IBR 20-25 years of payments) , should they suddenly just have to pay the whole amount when that isn't what they agreed to?

I had some private loans years ago from Sallie Mae, I noticed they weren't following the terms of the loans, and beat them at their own ruse and all those loans are now charged off and off my records.

Also if most loans are under repayment programs/plans, it does not make sense to pay off some larger balances as per the terms of the programs/plans as the forgiveness amount will offset any "savings" you had while dumping most of your money into paying them off. If they're not going to honor the contract of the promissory notes signed then why should the borrower? People want to preach the "well you took them out you pay them all back!" nonsense without realizing this is manipulated, what about all the companies who got bailed out in 2008 financial crisis or those PPE business loans many just had wiped clean? But yes let's shame ( not saying you or this thread is doing so) the average doctor or average citizen into thinking it's their sole responsibility.

I'll also add if they succeed in shuttering the Dept of Education, all federal loans are listed as being under the Dept of Education as the holder of the promissory notes for these loans. If they try to transfer them to private lenders or privatize the system then these loans would fall under private loans and be eligible for bankruptcy discharge as well as held to state laws that limit or prevent wage garnishment or other garnishments for private loans.

Long term we should push for tax funded education for healthcare professions, not loans.
BUt I HaD tO pAY mY LOanS So Why SHOULDNT YOU 111!!!11
 
BUt I HaD tO pAY mY LOanS So Why SHOULDNT YOU 111!!!11
Our ancestors 100 years ago suffered from syphilis, why shouldn’t we?

The cavalry is not coming.
If you keep voting for people who don’t give a **** about you and just want the corpo donor gravy train, then you are correct. Doesn’t have to be this way. The problem is half the county is ok with eating a **** sandwich as long as they can make the other side smell their breath.
 
Hopefully they all die a quick, but still painful, death. The never ending supply of cheap (aka subsidized) student loan money is single handedly responsible for the dramatic rise in “cost of attendance” and the number of useless degree/educational programs that exist in Universities across the country.

There are enough people who are desperate enough to be called “doctor” that podiatry would still matriculate more students than we need. But knowing you have to make full payments on your student loans upon completion of school would certainly put some downward pressure on tuition prices and might actually apply some upward pressure on associate job compensation. Doesn’t work when you can defer your loan in perpetuity.

This is really the issue. Back when college degrees had a true value only the wealthiest or upper middle class people had the ability to go to college or the people were willing to work hard full-time or part time to pay their way through. Now it's accessible to everyone and that diminishes the value. If your parents aren't wealthy or if you can't save up enough yourself, you really shouldn't be going to college and should focus on finding work thats available that can support a family. Democrats ruined this country by opening access to everyone for education and indoctrination into their false promises of inclusivity. It just hurt us as a country and economy.
 
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...if most loans are under repayment programs/plans, it does not make sense to pay off some larger balances as per the terms of the programs/plans as the forgiveness amount will offset any "savings" you had while dumping most of your money into paying them off....
You are PSYCHOLOGIST, man... you're saying that staying in debt is good?

Cmon.

It feels awesome to pay what you borrowed (not search high and low for ways to weasel your way out),
to free up your real and full earning power,
to not have a monthly payment and credit drag anymore,
to know when you pay ... it can be borrowed to other students,
and to be done with that depressing nonsense known as edu loans.

Raining The Shawshank Redemption GIF


...Long term we should push for tax funded education for healthcare professions, not loans.
Plenty of places have tax-funded edu (med and other). They're also socialized medicine countries. That's a whole diff convo.

This isn't politics, it's math (and a bit of psych/motivation/emotion) with regard to these big loan balances.
 
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Feli is Dave Ramsey imo
I read Cory Fawcett or WCI more. They're more tailored to docs (which are something that makes about 2x-3x podiatrists).

All are good... Dave too. They're great if you can tune out the dumb religion and tithing and blah blah undertones.
Not sure what it is with get-outta-debt guys all loving antiquated fairy tales... but they do.
Seriously amazing how many otherwise smart ppl eat that stuff up with a spoon.

Either way, good $$ info is good $$ info.
 
This is really the issue. Back when college degrees had a true value only the wealthiest or upper middle class people had the ability to go to college or the people were willing to work hard full-time or part time to pay their way through

That’s not necessarily true, and you forgot about people with athletic ability.

My parents for example, were neither of the above. My mom’s parents were lower middle class and didn’t contribute to her education financially. But a part time job and full time work over the summer was all you needed to afford 2 years of community college and 2 years of a state school at the time. My dad was orphaned at the age of 5. He was quite literally, “dirt poor,” as the floor of his west Texas bedroom was dirt. Luckily, he was good at sports and football paid for his degree.

College can be available to anyone from a financial standpoint AND still have value if we would just get rid of most student loan money. Or make the Universities themselves back the loans. They would be forced to both control costs and consolidate degree programs with poor returns. Not every state school needs a music department. And none of them need a gender studies program. There would still be a viable pathway for a poor kid to become an engineer.
 
I read Cory Fawcett or WCI more. They're more tailored to docs (which are something that makes about 2x-3x podiatrists).

All are good... Dave too. They're great if you can tune out the dumb religion and tithing and blah blah undertones.
Not sure what it is with get-outta-debt guys all loving antiquated fairy tales... but they do.
Seriously amazing how many otherwise smart ppl eat that stuff up with a spoon.

Either way, good $$ info is good $$ info.
WCI I can’t get into. It’s advice for people in an entirety different income bracket. Yes some pods make MD and DO money.

But that’s maybe a third at best where it’s relevant?
 
In before this thread gets locked...

Overall yikes, not sure I've ever heard anyone advocate for broad scale lessening of education. I could get behind the idea that it may be wiser for an individual to avoid additional cost of school and go into the trades or manufacturing. I think the early 2000's through 2010's there was an over emphasis on everyone goes to college, and we are likely to see the pendulum swing the other direction now. However, the idea that education is detrimental to a society and should be limited to the gifted or wealthy is extreme to say the least. Additionally, every study I've ever seen has shown a significant increase in average lifetime earnings for college graduates, to say nothing for the experience that education provides.

As for the trusting of doctors/DEI surgeons, remember we are podiatrists. We are the backdoor to the operating room. Our students and presumably the above poster are largely below the academic standard for MD/DO surgeons. During my residency I can't really think of any examples of MD/DO surgeons that I felt were only there based on "DEI" and the most horrific surgeons I personally saw operate were podiatrists and it wasn't even close.
 
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In before this thread gets locked...

Overall yikes, not sure I've ever heard anyone advocate for broad scale lessening of education. I could get behind the idea that it may be wiser for an individual to avoid additional cost of school and go into the trades or manufacturing. I think the early 2000's through 2010's there was an over emphasis on everyone goes to college, and we are likely to see the pendulum swing the other direction now. However, the idea that education is detrimental to a society and should be limited to the gifted or wealthy is extreme to say the least. Additionally, every study I've ever seen has shown a significant increase in average lifetime earnings for college graduates, to say nothing for the experience that education provides.

As for the trusting of doctors/DEI surgeons, remember we are podiatrists. We are the backdoor to the operating room. Our students and presumably the above poster are largely below the academic standard for MD/DO surgeons. During my residency I can't really think of any examples of MD/DO surgeons that I felt were only there based on "DEI" and the most horrific surgeons I personally saw operate were podiatrists and it wasn't even close.
I believe this is not true if you take out the top 10% or something. In other words, remove the doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses etc. then there is no difference in earnings between someone who has a college degree and someone who doesn't.

So essentially for a lot of people, going to college is only delaying your earnings by four years and you are likely going into debt while doing so.
 
In before this thread gets locked...

Overall yikes, not sure I've ever heard anyone advocate for broad scale lessening of education. I could get behind the idea that it may be wiser for an individual to avoid additional cost of school and go into the trades or manufacturing. I think the early 2000's through 2010's there was an over emphasis on everyone goes to college, and we are likely to see the pendulum swing the other direction now. However, the idea that education is detrimental to a society and should be limited to the gifted or wealthy is extreme to say the least. Additionally, every study I've ever seen has shown a significant increase in average lifetime earnings for college graduates, to say nothing for the experience that education provides.

As for the trusting of doctors/DEI surgeons, remember we are podiatrists. We are the backdoor to the operating room. Our students and presumably the above poster are largely below the academic standard for MD/DO surgeons. During my residency I can't really think of any examples of MD/DO surgeons that I felt were only there based on "DEI" and the most horrific surgeons I personally saw operate were podiatrists and it wasn't even close.
Podiatrists don't need to be whining about DEI because most of us wouldn't be here if we were good enough for med/dental school. Podiatry is the backup to the backup
 
I believe this is not true if you take out the top 10% or something. In other words, remove the doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses etc. then there is no difference in earnings between someone who has a college degree and someone who doesn't.

So essentially for a lot of people, going to college is only delaying your earnings by four years and you are likely going into debt while doing so.

Brief google search shows the median number is still quite a bit higher for college graduates. Admittingly my search was quite brief and the sources may not be the most reliable, but I didn't see anything that supported your statement. I would be interested in seeing your source for this.
 
You are PSYCHOLOGIST, man... you're saying that staying in debt is good?

Cmon.

It feels awesome to pay what you borrowed (not search high and low for ways to weasel your way out),
to free up your real and full earning power,
to not have a monthly payment and credit drag anymore,
to know when you pay ... it can be borrowed to other students,
and to be done with that depressing nonsense known as edu loans.

Raining The Shawshank Redemption GIF



Plenty of places have tax-funded edu (med and other). They're also socialized medicine countries. That's a whole diff convo.

This isn't politics, it's math (and a bit of psych/motivation/emotion) with regard to these big loan balances.
My statements are specific to student loan debt, not other consumer debt. Hopefully you're being sarcastic on most of your points. "It feels awesome to pay what you borrowed?" Not always, it's naive to just blindly do so without considering what makes sense. It's not weaseling out, it's doing the same thing banks, corporations, and ultra wealthy do to get debt wiped clean or just restructure it.

I have zero qualms about looking at ways to reduce my financial liability and get the best deal I can. People need to stop thinking paying off their student loans (or failure to do so) has anything to do with their character, their intelligence, or their being. Yeah it feels good to pay off credit cards because there's other benefits to that, it also feels good to pay back a friend or family member who loans you money because it's a personal connection. But why in the world would I pay more than I need to when I can just get the balance wiped in X years and save six figures to a government that just prints money or to a private lender that will just write it off and sell it to someone else?

"It can be borrowed to other students." , no that's not how that works. As for labeling a loan balance as "depressing" well it's not one size fits all. It's money, it's business, it's not that deep. If you feel good shoveling money into your federal loans when you'd probably save tens of thousands of dollars NOT doing so, go for it. Same as people who pay off their mortgages at sub 5% rates too early. And "opening up your real and full earning power?" - Do you not know what inflation is and how you're almost likely loosing earning power by dumping your money into a massive student loan now rather than taking the payment plan and using the extra now when it's worth more than it will be later?

As for your comment about being a psychologist saying being in debt is good, I never said that. I will say that people need to make the best choices they can for themselves mentally and psychologically. Some have a higher threshold for stress, some have lower. It's not one size fits all. But I will say as a psychologist, I easily see through the ruse that big banks and lenders have done over the years to equate paying off your debt (logic and math be damned) with being a "good" or "not good" person or "feeling good" or "feeling bad." Billionaires and millionaires don't think twice about taking the deal or looking for ways to save money , why do you in a setup that rewards knowing how to do so? It's business not personal.

As a psychologist, sure I want patients to do what is best for their mental health and wellbeing; not everyone equates their student loan status to their happiness or sadness. On a serious note, you are aware that some people contemplate suicide over debt right? How perverted a society we've become that people feel less than because they have debt or feel desperate or like there's no purpose/point, or way out? You want to know why I just never paid Sallie Mae and beat them at their own lies, they asked me once to talk to friends and family to borrow money to pay them. If I was not in a good headspace, I might think I'm a failure for not doing everything I can to "be awesome and pay back what I borrowed!" But I digress.

You're correct, it is math. That's why for many the math makes NO SENSE to pay off large federal student loan debt early if your payment plans (which are contractually obligated to be offered IN the terms of the loan) will lead to a significant chunk of it being wiped clean after X number of payments. That's common sense math. You want the "feel good win" of watching the number go down while I'll feel good knowing I'm at least 1/3 way through the required X number of payments before rest if wiped clean and I've paid maybe a few grand into 6 figures. The difference I've invested, I've saved, and I've spent on enjoying life. 😉 Being a psychologist or not being a psychologist has nothing to do with what it. End of the day if YOU feel good paying it off sooner and have the means to do so, even if it doesn't make financial sense, go for it. It doesn't make it the correct (financially or otherwise) path for everyone.
 
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Why are podiatrists always so self deprecating?
Its just mostly on here.

Most of us are highly successful but like to complain.

In a nutshell: The profession does have a lot of financial troubles for new grads and if you search there is plenty of comments on this which I dont want to derail this thread again (because its basically every thread derailed on this topic). We pay 300k for school. 50% or more of us get a 100ishk job at graduation. Were over saturated. They just opened 2 new schools increasing the potential saturation. Were upset about that. We get scorned when we warn potential candidates about the graduating job market.
 
Why are podiatrists always so self deprecating?
Because it Is

The return on investment on podiatry isn't equivalent to the cost and education level. We go do 4 years of school and boards for a 50/50 chance at a good or better residency and a20% chance of the quality of job people consider 'doctory'. People leave podiatry school mid semester when they get off the backup for medical or dental. That should tell you all you need to know
 
Its just mostly on here.

Most of us are highly successful but like to complain.

In a nutshell: The profession does have a lot of financial troubles for new grads and if you search there is plenty of comments on this which I dont want to derail this thread again (because its basically every thread derailed on this topic). We pay 300k for school. 50% or more of us get a 100ishk job at graduation. Were over saturated. They just opened 2 new schools increasing the potential saturation. Were upset about that. We get scorned when we warn potential candidates about the graduating job market.
All of this

In general I'm ok with where I am as far as the quality of job but it's nothing like I hear among my MD/DO colleagues that have job opportunities a plenty
 
In before this thread gets locked...

Overall yikes, not sure I've ever heard anyone advocate for broad scale lessening of education. I could get behind the idea that it may be wiser for an individual to avoid additional cost of school and go into the trades or manufacturing. I think the early 2000's through 2010's there was an over emphasis on everyone goes to college, and we are likely to see the pendulum swing the other direction now. However, the idea that education is detrimental to a society and should be limited to the gifted or wealthy is extreme to say the least. Additionally, every study I've ever seen has shown a significant increase in average lifetime earnings for college graduates, to say nothing for the experience that education provides.

As for the trusting of doctors/DEI surgeons, remember we are podiatrists. We are the backdoor to the operating room. Our students and presumably the above poster are largely below the academic standard for MD/DO surgeons. During my residency I can't really think of any examples of MD/DO surgeons that I felt were only there based on "DEI" and the most horrific surgeons I personally saw operate were podiatrists and it wasn't even close.
Oh I love this. Podiatrists are DEI surgeons
 
I dont think he would be able to strip the loan forgiveness from people already enrolled. People make their 10 year plan based on a contract with studentaid.gov. Nullifying that contract will not be easy. Not saying it cant be done. But would have a lot of legal pushback.

Future borrowers may see this program end.

Trump announced yesterday that hes stripping the "non profit" status for organizations that he disagrees with

This program was started by Republicans - Bush era. Its a Republican idea.

If you are on this program I suggest you log on and print all your statements/qualifying payments. Wouldnt want those to accidentally dissappear due to a glitch or something.
 
I dont think he would be able to strip the loan forgiveness from people already enrolled. People make their 10 year plan based on a contract with studentaid.gov. Nullifying that contract will not be easy. Not saying it cant be done. But would have a lot of legal pushback.

Future borrowers may see this program end.

Trump announced yesterday that hes stripping the "non profit" status for organizations that he disagrees with

This program was started by Republicans - Bush era. Its a Republican idea.

If you are on this program I suggest you log on and print all your statements/qualifying payments. Wouldnt want those to accidentally dissappear due to a glitch or something.
This may be true, it may not.
Nobody really knows. People have been burnt on it.

The simple, and by far the best, answer is to plan to pay your loans. It's that simple.
  • If you're not on some forgive plan, pay as much as you can (over the standard 10yr repay) as fast as you can.
  • If you have a forgive plan (PSLF or other), pay the minimums, than put a sizable payment (at least the standard 10 payment) into savings/MMI.

WCI blogs by him and affiliates repeatedly recommend this all the time, and it's the right move: pay on whatever IBR plan makes sense, save the rest, see what happens with your PSLF etc. If you get the forgive, then just use the savings wisely (house downpayment, invest it, start a biz, etc).
...but counting on a forgive, making the minimum pays, and spending the rest or having it locked in retirement accts has potential to end badly if the forgive falls through.
 
This may be true, it may not.
Nobody really knows. People have been burnt on it.

The simple, and by far the best, answer is to plan to pay your loans. It's that simple.
  • If you're not on some forgive plan, pay as much as you can (over the standard 10yr repay) as fast as you can.
  • If you have a forgive plan (PSLF or other), pay the minimums, than put a sizable payment (at least the standard 10 payment) into savings/MMI.

WCI blogs by him and affiliates repeatedly recommend this all the time, and it's the right move: pay on whatever IBR plan makes sense, save the rest, see what happens with your PSLF etc. If you get the forgive, then just use the savings wisely (house downpayment, invest it, start a biz, etc).
...but counting on a forgive, making the minimum pays, and spending the rest or having it locked in retirement accts has potential to end badly if the forgive falls through.
I could easily see him stripping high income people from the PSLF

To be honest someone working at a hospital making 300k+ probably shouldnt qualify for this program

But it is legal and if its legal and financially the right move then, politics aside, go for it.

And absolutely take the extra money you are "saving" by paying minimum on student loans and put it in a high interest savings - or index - until loans are gone. Thats been the advice echoing forever and it is solid advice. If discharged you have a big pot of money saved up for a home, etc. If not discharged then loans are paid off minus the high interest you were paying maintaining the 7ish percent government loan contracts.
 
...And absolutely take the extra money you are "saving" by paying minimum on student loans and put it in a high interest savings - or index - until loans are gone. Thats been the advice echoing forever and it is solid advice. If discharged you have a big pot of money saved up for a home, etc. If not discharged then loans are paid off minus the high interest you were paying maintaining the 7ish percent government loan contracts.
Yep, the nice thing about higher interest rate times is that most MMarket accts now are 4.x% (were even 5.x% last year 2024) with Fidelity and such.
I guess that's because they must be based on bond invests, but not sure. Either way, it's good to get the nice, yet variable, rates.

In most years, MM interest circa 1.x% , though.
 
Yep, the nice thing about higher interest rate times is that most MMarket accts now are 4.x% (were even 5.x% last year 2024) with Fidelity and such.
I guess that's because they must be based on bond invests, but not sure. Either way, it's good to get the nice, yet variable, rates.

In most years, MM interest circa 1.x% , though.
As much as Covid sucked it was a gift to debt holders in general. 1.x% interest rate with 10+ percent in markets.

The 2ish years frozen payments for PSLF but still giving monthly credit towards PSLF despite not paying was also a gift (from Trump).

Inflation started during this time but anyone with money to invest really killed it. If you owned a home the property value skyrocketed (this statement is probably regional).

My home doubled in value in 2-3 years. Thats undoubtly bad for low income earners. But for someone who owned a home and had money to invest it was a highly profitable time. Most of my index funds and retirement accounts were making 12-15%.

This still held true under Biden era. If you had money to invest you did very well as the stock market continued to climb. I was about 13-14% returns the last 4 years. Loan interest, and inflation, continued to rise but the last 4 years also held very profitable markets.

The tarifs are worrying investors. I am fairly confident the market will just keep rising as its been strong. Or a major reset. No one knows. I just keep maxing out my 401k/403B/HSA/IRA/529 and every paycheck 1k into an index fund (2k a month). Its auto buy and I honestly only check it every few months or so.

As is im set to retire sometime around 50. All my debt should be gone very soon in which I will invest more. I probably wont actually retire retire. But I wont be working on feet past that. No joke ill probably be a librarian for the quiet stress free days and health insurance until medicare kicks in.

I derailed. Meant to say PSLF was a 2 year free payment gift from trump and wrote a financial manifesto. In come the crypto bros in 3.... 2.... 1....
 
Looks like i should start my online masters degree in "library science" now since PSLF is still a thing.
 
As much as Covid sucked it was a gift to debt holders in general. 1.x% interest rate with 10+ percent in markets.

The 2ish years frozen payments for PSLF but still giving monthly credit towards PSLF despite not paying was also a gift (from Trump).

Inflation started during this time but anyone with money to invest really killed it. If you owned a home the property value skyrocketed (this statement is probably regional).

My home doubled in value in 2-3 years. Thats undoubtly bad for low income earners. But for someone who owned a home and had money to invest it was a highly profitable time. Most of my index funds and retirement accounts were making 12-15%.

This still held true under Biden era. If you had money to invest you did very well as the stock market continued to climb. I was about 13-14% returns the last 4 years. Loan interest, and inflation, continued to rise but the last 4 years also held very profitable markets.

The tarifs are worrying investors. I am fairly confident the market will just keep rising as its been strong. Or a major reset. No one knows. I just keep maxing out my 401k/403B/HSA/IRA/529 and every paycheck 1k into an index fund (2k a month). Its auto buy and I honestly only check it every few months or so.

As is im set to retire sometime around 50. All my debt should be gone very soon in which I will invest more. I probably wont actually retire retire. But I wont be working on feet past that. No joke ill probably be a librarian for the quiet stress free days and health insurance until medicare kicks in.

I derailed. Meant to say PSLF was a 2 year free payment gift from trump and wrote a financial manifesto. In come the crypto bros in 3.... 2.... 1....
I thought the plan was a BBQ restaurant
 
The extra $1k that I payed on 12/03/2024 was to test the system if extra payments will be applied solely to principle. The answer is NO. It went to service the interest. Remember that interest is accrued daily on the principal so it helps if students are allowed to make extra payment directly towards the principle but they don't allow that if you have any outstanding interest balance.

For unsubsidized loans, after finishing school, residency and maybe fellowship, it is easy to accrue almost $100k in interest alone which must be paid back fully before any payments applies to the principle.

Student loans debt is worst than mortgage, car payment or even credit card debt.

For full transparency, as y'all can see below, I paid $45,310.32 in interest to student loans. The principle is still chilling and barely touched.
I’m not a podiatrist (I’m family medicine MD) but thread popped up for me today. So you can make payments individually on a specific student loan. I had to call and talk to someone on the phone when I did it to make them reapply my extra payment to one specific loan instead of just to the interest of them all. You may be able to do it online with your servicer now, but I had to have an auto payment set up because of stupid reasons for it and that couldn’t be set up to go to the one loan. You cannot target the principle of the loan until you have paid off the interest on the loan. I’ve paid off 3 of my loans and still have tons left to repay. I targeted the highest interest rate loans. You must make the full minimum payment to all your loans and after that’s been done each month you can target extra money at particular loans.
 
I’m not a podiatrist (I’m family medicine MD) but thread popped up for me today. So you can make payments individually on a specific student loan. I had to call and talk to someone on the phone when I did it to make them reapply my extra payment to one specific loan instead of just to the interest of them all. You may be able to do it online with your servicer now, but I had to have an auto payment set up because of stupid reasons for it and that couldn’t be set up to go to the one loan. You cannot target the principle of the loan until you have paid off the interest on the loan. I’ve paid off 3 of my loans and still have tons left to repay. I targeted the highest interest rate loans. You must make the full minimum payment to all your loans and after that’s been done each month you can target extra money at particular loans.
Thanks for the info. I also have auto set-up to get 0.25% interest discount. Looks like I have to wait till all outstanding interest are paid off before being able to apply extra payments to principle.
 
Thanks for the info. I also have auto set-up to get 0.25% interest discount. Looks like I have to wait till all outstanding interest are paid off before being able to apply extra payments to principle.
You can pay extra onto one specific loan each month after you’ve paid the interest you have to pay on all the loans for the month. But it will not let you pay just the principal on the loan you’re targeting. You have to pay off its interest first. You don’t have to pay the interest on all the other loans to target one specific loan other than the required monthly payment. You have to pay more than what they are asking you to pay each month to be able to direct your payments. Super frustrating and part of the reason the loans take forever to pay off. My mortgage it targets the additional to my principal so it is going down way faster than my loans.
 
I like to keep my student loan balances as high as possible, that way the new MAGA government will think twice about sending me to an El Salvadorian prison camp. Send me away and you'll definitely never get that quarter-mil-plus back.
 
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