Inconsistancies in crackdatpat?

[sleepinxlionhar]

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So I was doing my first practice PAT test on CrackDAT PAT, and I think I might have found a mistake in CrackDAT PAT(might not be the only mistake). Here it is:

They got "A" by folding it down, but I get "B" when I fold it up. Can anyone confirm that with me?

Also, when I was doing the cube counting, it seems like sometimes they'll assume there's more cubes if say, the top one os shown, but the bottom ones are blocked from view. But other times, they don't assume that. So I'm not sure what to do...I hope the real DAT isn't like this.

 

[pbure9]

I think you're right in that the side you have in the front (the triangle) will be next to the rectangular side (with the diagonal), but it will never be on the right of it. I think thats why.

The way I look at it. I would fold it into the screen, and the diagonal side ends up always on the left

 

[klutzy1987]

B is not possible. For these problems you always fold it in towards the screen. If that's is the case then the triangle in B should be facing the other way. Never fold out of the screen as you will get every question wrong. The DAT follows the same rule, always fold in towards the screen.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

B is not possible. For these problems you always fold it in towards the screen. If that's is the case then the triangle in B should be facing the other way. Never fold out of the screen as you will get every question wrong. The DAT follows the same rule, always fold in towards the screen.

really?!? that's pretty messed up then because I always fold out of the screen. But I do remember some that you can fold in or out of the screen to get the same result..

 

[klutzy1987]

really?!? that's pretty messed up then because I always fold out of the screen. But I do remember some that you can fold in or out of the screen to get the same result..

LOL I would suggest you change your habits because on the DAT every you are supposed to fold into the screen and if you don't you will likely get half of the questions wrong. ALWAYS FOLD INTO THE SCREEN.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

But but but...what about this one? I folded it out of the screen, and there's no inconsistency with folding in or out of the screen. Not trying to discredit you klutzy, but it just doesn't seem right to me that there's only one way to fold it, wouldn't a lot of people be screwed for the PAT if there was only one way to fold it?

 

[eilrahcmi]

i'm pretty sure in the tutorial it even tells you that you fold into the screen

 

[Tsrshorty]

you will get some right if you fold out of the page, but you will get them all right if you fold into the page. thats just the way it is. thats how the DAT does it, thats how you should do it.

 

[Philippines03j]

Agree. Fold into the page. Even on the example above if you fold out of the screen it would acually be exact opposite of the correct answer. Try it and watch your scores improve.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

Hm, okay, got it. I'll try that next time.

What about the cube counting one? When do we know that we need to assume there's cubes we can't see, and when we don't have to assume that here's no cubes that we can't see?

Like these:

I would have assumed that there was a row of cubs continuing where the red circle is, that would give more cubes with 2 painted sides

I would assumed there was a column of cubes supporting that one visible one in the back

but then why do they assume that there's more cubes behind this one?:

I don't get it...

 

[eilrahcmi]

If you can't see them don't assume they are there, because they are not.

*However, if you see a cube that is not on the ground floor, then its safe to assume cubes are below it holding it up. Cubes don't float.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

If you can't see them don't assume they are there, because they are not.

*However, if you see a cube that is not on the ground floor, then its safe to assume cubes are below it holding it up. Cubes don't float.

That's what I thought, then why is it that for the 2nd one, they don't assume that there's cubes holding up that one?

 

[eilrahcmi]

what's the problem and test #? ill take a look at it

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

#70-72, the first test. Actually, now that I look back on it, it never asks for 3 exposed sides, and those blocked are the ones with 3 exposed sides. Hopefully that'll explain why they didn't show it being transparent and counting the blocked cubes. I think I'm slowly getting this, lol.

 

[eilrahcmi]

That solves the problem lol. A while back somebody mentioned that there was a test with a floating cube (obviously an error), so keep your eye out.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

All right, thanks!👍

 

[klutzy1987]

But but but...what about this one? I folded it out of the screen, and there's no inconsistency with folding in or out of the screen. Not trying to discredit you klutzy, but it just doesn't seem right to me that there's only one way to fold it, wouldn't a lot of people be screwed for the PAT if there was only one way to fold it?

Im not sure what your talking about here but if you fold into the screen you get the right answer. Fold in and bring the flap all the way on the right around so that it touches the solid stripe. That makes the stripe on the front and top in choice A. Now the stripe on the side in choice A is made by the top flap.

If you were to fold out of the screen then you would have the solid line on the side and top connecting but you could not get the stripe on the side like that in that position. The stripe would be on the other side and would not be able to be seen.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

Im not sure what your talking about here but if you fold into the screen you get the right answer. Fold in and bring the flap all the way on the right around so that it touches the solid stripe. That makes the stripe on the front and top in choice A. Now the stripe on the side in choice A is made by the top flap.

If you were to fold out of the screen then you would have the solid line on the side and top connecting but you could not get the stripe on the side like that in that position. The stripe would be on the other side and would not be able to be seen.

Actually, I think you're right. I probably just got lucky on that one. I hate folding it down, it's hard for me to picture.

 

[klutzy1987]

For the cubes dont worry about the illusions and invisible cubes in CDP. ON the real DAT there are no illusions or invisible cubes.

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

I folded out of the screen, got 27 on the test fro pat. I guess I got lucky... maybe I missed the guidelines for that section.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

Hmmmm...you can't be that lucky, lol. I don't know what to do now. Come to think of it, I never really came across any instruction in the folding section to fold it into the screen actually. It doesn't say to fold in or out of the screen on CrackDAt PAT, or the kaplan book...i'm confused now.

 

[vhlam]

just listen to everyone else and fold into the screen. problem solved.

 

[klutzy1987]

I folded out of the screen, got 27 on the test fro pat. I guess I got lucky... maybe I missed the guidelines for that section.

Im not sure how this is possible, which test did you get a 27 on a CDP or the real thing?? I'd love to go back and look at the questions and see if it just happened to work both ways on those tests or if you did the work wrong and therefor got the answer wrong.

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

Im not sure how this is possible, which test did you get a 27 on a CDP or the real thing?? I'd love to go back and look at the questions and see if it just happened to work both ways on those tests or if you did the work wrong and therefor got the answer wrong.

I got a 27 on the real thing. I remember when studying with CDP I didn't think at all about which way I should fold... I thought every way was possible. Does it for sure say in the instructions that you must fold inside the screen?

 

[klutzy1987]

I got a 27 on the real thing. I remember when studying with CDP I didn't think at all about which way I should fold... I thought every way was possible. Does it for sure say in the instructions that you must fold inside the screen?

Yeah, look at the question posted above. You will get 2 different answers depending on which way you fold. LOL you were incredibly lucky, you probably shouldve gotten like a bunch of questions wrong, or maybe you get every other section perfect and you got like 5 questions wrong in the pattern development. But hey who cares congrats.

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

Yeah, look at the question posted above. You will get 2 different answers depending on which way you fold. LOL you were incredibly lucky, you probably shouldve gotten like a bunch of questions wrong, or maybe you get every other section perfect and you got like 5 questions wrong in the pattern development. But hey who cares congrats.

I have just looked at the instructions for the sample test on ADA website
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_test_sampleitems.pdf (page 47)

They don't have limits on how to fold in the instructions for this section...so I would think they take into the account that you can fold into the screen or out of it. I think CDP screwed up this question by giving 2 correct choices.

 

[klutzy1987]

I have just looked at the instructions for the sample test on ADA website
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_test_sampleitems.pdf (page 47)

They don't have limits on how to fold in the instructions for this section...so I would think they take into the account that you can fold into the screen or out of it. I think CDP screwed up this question by giving 2 correct choices.

There are many questions like this. If you look at achiever and topscore its the same thing. There are answers that will work if you fold in and there are answers that work if you fold out.

 

[klutzy1987]

3.

This is from kaplan. If you fold out of the screen there is no right answer.

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

There are many questions like this. If you look at achiever and topscore its the same thing. There are answers that will work if you fold in and there are answers that work if you fold out.

Yea. So the conclusion is that you could do both folding out and in.

 

[klutzy1987]

Yea. So the conclusion is that you could do both folding out and in.

lol NO the answers that work when folding out are the wrong ones, The correct answers are the ones that work when folding in. All practice tests follow the same principles as does the DAT.

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

3.

This is from kaplan. If you fold out of the screen there is no right answer.

Is the answer C? Man, I'm having a hard time folding into the screen..

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

. nvm

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

In the ADA sample test instructions for this section it says:
"The outside pattern is what is seen on the left"
If you fold the figure into the screen, then the pattern seen will actually be on the outside. However, if you fold the figure out of the screen the pattern seen would be inside the figure.

Now it makes sense that the only way to fold is into the screen. 👍

GL

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

Oh, I see what you're saying about the pattern will be seen on the inside, but I would assume that a shaded side on the cube would be shaded on both sides. In that case, then folding into or out of the screen wouldn't matter, it'll give you the same figure. Oh, but it did say, "The outside pattern is what is seen on the left" okay, I got it now. lol. you just have gotten really lucky then! Good job on the awesome score though!

 

[Zubnaya Feya]

Oh, I see what you're saying about the pattern will be seen on the inside, but I would assume that a shaded side on the cube would be shaded on both sides. In that case, then folding into or out of the screen wouldn't matter, it'll give you the same figure. Oh, but it did say, "The outside pattern is what is seen on the left" okay, I got it now. lol. you just have gotten really lucky then! Good job on the awesome score though!

they are trying to trick us by giving tricky instructions😀

 

[sleepinxlionhar]

LOL, seriously