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I am looking for information on Western University of Health Science's Veterinary program, as well as Iowa State. I have looked through all of the information available on the internet, and visited Western. Specifically, I would like anyone enrolled as a veterinary student at those schools to speak to the characteristics of their program they consider unique. And for Western, is there any way (that you know of) that I can learn more about the likelihood of accredidation being complete by this spring?

Thanks
 
I don't know much about Iowa, however I can tell you a little about Western. Right now, as I assume you know, Western is on provisional-accreditation status. This is something that every school has to go through, it's just that Western is the only school we hear about because it is the newest of the schools. We are on track to become accredited right now, it's just that the process takes time. When the class of 2007, the school's first graduating class, takes the boards is when we will know for sure (in addition to other things of course)... One thing to remember though, is that if you enter a college/university that is on provisional accreditation status, you WILL graduate "from an accredited school" even if the status is still provisional or something else. So my DVM degree will be from an accredited school just because I entered while they are on provisional status, regardless of what happens in the next four years. If there is anything else you'd like to know about, let me know, either on here or by PM.
 
How do your junior and senior rotations work, without a veterinary hospital on campus? Also, how much of your coursework is in the PBL format, and how is grading done (pass/fail, curves or not, etc.)?
 
How do your junior and senior rotations work, without a veterinary hospital on campus? Also, how much of your coursework is in the PBL format, and how is grading done (pass/fail, curves or not, etc.)?

During your third year, you do rotations at clinics near the campus. Western has set up partnerships with a bunch of clinics near here, and everybody goes through each one. I'm not sure how long each rotation is. Then, you basically plan your fourth year based on what you want to do (with the help of the faculty). You can pretty much go wherever you want (here in LA, other places in the US, overseas) and do whatever you want (choose SA, LA, exotics, etc). This is pretty cool for a couple of reasons - 1.)You get to travel and see new places 2.)You get to meet lots of people and make connections 3.)If you are interested in doing an internship/residency, you can do a rotation at the place you are interested in to see if it'd be a good fit 4.)Many veterinary teaching hospitals are referral only, this means that you only see cases that are progressed/severe/rare. That is cool because you get to see a lot of medicine and surgery, however, you kind of miss out on the every-day stuff. With the rotations set up the way they are, you can rotate through general clinics, referral clinics, emergency clinics, and see all of that stuff.

As for the coursework section.. Pretty much all of it is PBL. Occasionally we'll get a lecture (I use this term loosely, lots of times it's a Q&A session that we requested, or the professor will show us some stuff related to our current case), but you yourself are in charge of learning the basic sciences. It's a really scary concept at first, but we are beginning to get accustomed to it, and the more it happens the more I like it. As for the grading, you have to get a certain percentage in each of the basic sciences to pass, in addition to passing your other classes (clinical skills, ethics, etc). I don't think there are any curves. I think that one class is pass/fail. We are actually coming up on our first exam session so I'm not 100% sure about everything yet. Oh yeah, and for tests, you don't have random tests throughout the semester, where one class tests you whenever they want and it isn't coordinated with the other classes.. You go 8 weeks with no exams, then you have all the tests for all the classes all in one week. That is the week after next. :scared:

I hope that answers the questions you asked, if you have any more, please ask. I'll try to be unbiased for you, but really, there isn't much I don't like about Western. I'm really happy here, the faculty is awesome, and they do a great job of picking students, everybody here seems pretty cool.
 
Western is on provisional-accreditation status. This is something that every school has to go through, it's just that Western is the only school we hear about because it is the newest of the schools. We are on track to become accredited right now, it's just that the process takes time. When the class of 2007, the school's first graduating class, takes the boards is when we will know for sure (in addition to other things of course)... .

I am a Western 2007 and this is not correct. We are not "provisional" accreditation. What we have is a "letter of assurance" to receive accreditation. Basically that means my class must GRADUATE (NOTHING about our board scores has anything to do with the accreditation process😎 ). The AVMA has a list of requirements in order for a college to gain accreditation. One of these requirements is to have graduated a class. The letter of assurance says Western has approval in meeting all other requirements and all that is left is for my class to graduate. Hope this clears things up. As for the curriculum questions they are best answered on the website.
 
My bad, thanks for the correction Chris!
 
dtrain5,
are you planning to visit Iowa State? you might learn more if you visit?
 
I am looking for information on Western University of Health Science's Veterinary program, as well as Iowa State. I have looked through all of the information available on the internet, and visited Western. Specifically, I would like anyone enrolled as a veterinary student at those schools to speak to the characteristics of their program they consider unique. And for Western, is there any way (that you know of) that I can learn more about the likelihood of accredidation being complete by this spring?

Thanks
Pre-vet and Pre-DO? Didn't you ask me questions about Western's DO program? How did the interview go?
 
Hi,

As a 1st year at ISU, I can tell you what I think are the best points, from my perspective anyway (native New Englander, working on a career change, interested in small animal medicine):

1. Ames is good town. Very college-y, but it's very livable and there's usually something going on. There's more to it that just the university, anyway. I moved from Boston, so I was nervous about moving to the midwest, and Ames has been very hospitible. And very cheap!

2. Clinical foundations class for first years. We get taught how to perform various physical exams and get to practice on real! live! animals! Dogs only unfortunately, but it's still a nice experience.

3. Radiology and pathology taught in the first years. Some schools I believe hold off on these until 2nd year, but I think it's nice to get started on more than just the basics (histo, anatomy, etc.) the first year.

4. Large class size (120 now, 145 in the future) - means a nicely diverse class. There are certainly a lot of people w/ farming backgrounds, but just as many from other backgrounds, too. It's a good mix!

5. Iowa people really are super friendly. I visited Kansas (where I was told "everyone is kansas is sooo nice" and didn't notice a real change in friendliness compared to the stereotypically chilly northeast (i don't think it is really). But people in Iowa - you notice the friendliness and it's nice.

6. Some good extracurricular options - I think sometimes Iowa would like to be a school for farmers, but the truth is there's a fairly active Holistic Club and the teaching hospital seems to have a good small animal case load.

7. I think the first three years all have case studies classes (I could be wrong), and while the latter semesters integrate a more PBL-esque environment (I think), the first semester there is much hand-holding. This is good and bad - I have mixed feelings about it.

8. Many opportunities to help out with interesting stuff. I'm not sure that this is different from other schools, but in these first two months we've all had opportunites to help out (very hands-on) with inseminating sheep, spaying cats and castrating horses. There are a lot of good, hands-on experiences!

I hope this helps!

Liz
ISU-CVM Class of 2010
 
According to the AVMA website, Western does have "provisional accreditation" and is scheduled for another site visit after they have their first graduating class in 2007, which means anything can happen.

http://www.avma.org/education/cvea/colleges_accredited/california.asp

Western University of Health Sciences
College of Veterinary Medicine
309 E Second Street - College Plaza
Pomona, CA, 91766-1854
Dr. Shirley D. Johnston, Dean
(909) 469-5628
Status: Provisional Accreditation
Last Evaluation: 2004
Next Evaluation: 2007
http://www.westernu.edu/cvm.html



I am a Western 2007 and this is not correct. We are not "provisional" accreditation. What we have is a "letter of assurance" to receive accreditation. Basically that means my class must GRADUATE (NOTHING about our board scores has anything to do with the accreditation process😎 ). The AVMA has a list of requirements in order for a college to gain accreditation. One of these requirements is to have graduated a class. The letter of assurance says Western has approval in meeting all other requirements and all that is left is for my class to graduate. Hope this clears things up. As for the curriculum questions they are best answered on the website.
 
According to the AVMA website, Western does have "provisional accreditation" and is scheduled for another site visit after they have their first graduating class in 2007, which means anything can happen.

http://www.avma.org/education/cvea/colleges_accredited/california.asp

Western University of Health Sciences
College of Veterinary Medicine
309 E Second Street - College Plaza
Pomona, CA, 91766-1854
Dr. Shirley D. Johnston, Dean
(909) 469-5628
Status: Provisional Accreditation
Last Evaluation: 2004
Next Evaluation: 2007
http://www.westernu.edu/cvm.html
You are correct as the college status was upgraded, I misspoke.
see : http://www.westernu.edu/xp/edu/veterinary/about.xml
If you notice the next AVMA COE visit is in 2007 (when we graduate). They were on Campus a couple of weeks ago (they interviewed every student in my class).
 
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