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Walk into an OR to check on an ASA 1, 13 year old 55kg patient undergoing a foot surgery. LMA/spontaneous unlabored respirations noted, sevofluorane at 2% ET, tourniquet was inflated 2 hours. ETCO2 is 80; patient had been given esmolol x 2 for tachycardia and 25mcg fentanyl x 1 during the surgery. What is your next step?
 
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Esmolol for tourniquet pain is ridiculous. Tell the surgeon it’s been 2 hours on the tourniquet and ask if we can let it down for a little bit. What kind of tidal volumes is the kid pulling? The EtCO2 doesn’t make much sense in this context, other than it’s poorly seated and he’s pulling crummy volumes. What’s the temp? Is this supposed to be an MH case?
 
Esmolol for tourniquet pain is ridiculous. Tell the surgeon it’s been 2 hours on the tourniquet and ask if we can let it down for a little bit. What kind of tidal volumes is the kid pulling? The EtCO2 doesn’t make much sense in this context, other than it’s poorly seated and he’s pulling crummy volumes. What’s the temp? Is this supposed to be an MH case?
Hypoventilation until proven otherwise, especially in LMA case. Sure, can always always consider MH, but the tourniquet pain is likely giving you that HR, not MH.
 
Oral board blurb to let you know that I thought about MH: make sure patient temp is normal, no masseter rigidity or whatever, the machine is working and the absorbent isn't dessicated blah blah ... and I'm assuming that the EtCO2 started normal and has progressively climbed during the case.

Increase the pressure support. If for some reason he is on manual switch to pressure support like I should have at the beginning of the case. Check the seal, make sure nothing sketchy is going on with the LMA itself. Stop it with the esmolol, it's not helping only masking. Probably needs more opioid than just 25mcg, I don't think this is opioid-induced hypoventilation because that doesn't make sense with the rest of the story. Possibly from tourniquet although probably not entirely.

I don't know though, you left out a lot of info like RR, TV, BP, and how high that HR was getting to warrant esmolol.
 
What’s the HR? I’d blow off CO2 for 10min, then check a blood gas. (I wouldn’t send an immediate gas because I wouldn’t want a gas that crappy in a chart with my name on it.)
 
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What's the capnograph waveform? Esmolol induced bronchospasm? It's got some B2.
 
Walk into an OR to check on an ASA 1, 13 year old 55kg patient undergoing a foot surgery. LMA/spontaneous unlabored respirations noted, sevofluorane at 2% ET, tourniquet was inflated 2 hours. ETCO2 is 80; patient had been given esmolol x 2 for tachycardia and 25mcg fentanyl x 1 during the surgery. What is your next step?
What does "unlabored respirations" mean? That phrase doesn't seem compatible with a poorly seated LMA and inefficient ventilation, which is usually why these patients have ETCO2 that high.

Tidal volumes / minute ventilation? Two hours into a tourniquet, spontaneously ventilating patients are tachypneic and hypocarbic.

Something is amiss, aside from the ridiculousness of giving esmolol to a 13 year old.
 
Walk into an OR to check on an ASA 1, 13 year old 55kg patient undergoing a foot surgery. LMA/spontaneous unlabored respirations noted, sevofluorane at 2% ET, tourniquet was inflated 2 hours. ETCO2 is 80; patient had been given esmolol x 2 for tachycardia and 25mcg fentanyl x 1 during the surgery. What is your next step?

Not an interesting case. Sounds like a horrible ly mismanaged one

Assess minute ventilation. If inadequate, do pressure support and drive down that CO2. If adequate, then assess for MH or other hyper metabolic syndromes. Ridiculius that nobody informed you earlier about etco2 80. Also ridiculous that surgeon thinks 2 hrs plus with tourniquet is ok
 
Agree with above, inappropriate to let the etCO2 reach 80. The tachycardia could be from any number of things, including hypercarbia, pain, light anesthesia, the tourniquet, volume depletion, MH, etc and etc. This degree of hypercarbia is concerning. First step is assess ventilation, and increase MV and see if hypercarbia improves. If it does than probably not MH. If it doesn’t improve than draw an ABG and investigate for MH, than go through the differential for hypercarbia.
 
The tachycardia etc. are from the hypercarbia, until proven otherwise. The hypercarbia is most likely from the ***** at the head of the bed (if not MH).

@eikenhein, I would not continue f-cking up this patient with pressure support. If he tolerates VC of 450 with RR of 20, I would keep the LMA, otherwise intubate and do the same.
 
Anybody wanna play guess the pH? Guess the potassium?
Unless there is MH, the pH is probably around 7.05, the K should be normal (respiratory acidosis with minimal metabolic alkalosis).
 
Tidal volumes were 200ml, respiratory rate 24. Asked what was the patient's temperature (unrecorded on the record) and the forehead liquid crystal temp skin monitor read 105 degrees. The tourniquet was deflated, there was no change in ETCO2.
 
Tidal volumes were 200ml, respiratory rate 24. Asked what was the patient's temperature (unrecorded on the record) and the forehead liquid crystal temp skin monitor read 105 degrees. The tourniquet was deflated, there was no change in ETCO2.

Looks !!!!

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I would jump on the MH diagnosis is his tidal vol was 600 with a rate of 30.
200x24 is only 4.8L/min which can explain a high PaCo2 after 2.5h.
 
Tidal volumes were 200ml, respiratory rate 24. Asked what was the patient's temperature (unrecorded on the record) and the forehead liquid crystal temp skin monitor read 105 degrees. The tourniquet was deflated, there was no change in ETCO2.

Would quickly eval for other signs of MH (e.g., rigidity, 5 second chart review, and that bair hugger on 43oC setting not laying directly on temp probe), but the high temp is certainly pointing to MH or some other hyper metabolic syndrome. Very sensitive but not super specific.

Call for help, tell surgeons to hurry the **** up
Turn off triggering agents, get MH cart, administer dantrolene asap. Switch to 100% fio2 and intubate (LMA ain't going to cut it for MH), hyperventilate the crap out of patient. Throw in an esophageal temp probe for core temp. Large bore IV access and fluids wide open. Art line for lab and hemodynamic monitoring and send off gases. Surgeons place Foley. Cooling pads to central parts of body including under axillary, groin, around head. Watch K level. Have calcium and bicarb ready. Would be somewhat hesitant to drop the tourniquet right away without first hyperventilating and driving that CO2 down, the extra CO2 load and potassium from ischemic tissues could be really bad.

Once stable enough, asap tubed to ICU
Make sure they have more dantrolene

The person in the room with the patient had better be a brand new ca1 who doesnt know anything. Because alarm bells should have been going off way earlier.
 
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Turned off sevo, manually hyperventilated patient but unable to reduce ETCO2 below 56. Core temp measured at 100.0 deg, turned off convection warming, patient had no mottled skin but was sweating, eyes examined and no anisocoria but there was divergence in the gaze. Blood gas drawn.
 
A good chunk of that 200cc tidal volume was just ventilating his deadspace, so no kidding the co2 was 80. Would intubate if the co2 wasn't coming down with manual ventilation. Continue MH pathway while you're sorting out the breathing.
 
MH until proven otherwise. Get dantrolene. Get help.
Nope, this ain't MH. Get a gas. If there is no metabolic acidosis, it's not MH; treat the hypercarbia as I said above, let him cool down with ambient temperature Bair hugger.

Agree that 200 cc of TV didn't do much for CO2.

And when all it's said and done, fire the ***** (unless a trainee).
 
What kind of tidal volumes / min ventilation with manual ?

Agree about switching to ETT regardless as if it is MH we are gonna need one. If its a poorly seated LMA then problem solved.

Whats the CK?

Do we have Vapor Clean available?
 
Btw, for the residents, one has to consider other hypermetabolic +/- muscular rigidity syndromes, too, e.g. thyrotoxicosis, pheo, serotonin syndrome, NMS. Don't just jump to conclusions (like old foxes do).

Geez, talk about zebras among zebras.
 
Geez, talk about zebras among zebras.
Just because you haven't seen one, it doesn't mean they don't exist. I've seen two of those in the surgical ICU.

I still haven't seen a case of MH, though. 🙂
 
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Just because you haven't seen one, it doesn't mean they don't exist. I've seen two of those in the surgical ICU.

I still haven't seen a case of MH, though. 🙂

I've witnessed both serotonin syndrome and malignant hyperthermia. The SS was strongly suspected. The MH was later proven.
 
Survey of other causes and drugs in the ddx negative, dantrolene ready, CO2 absorbant was warm and completely blue top chamber but white and cool on the bottom chamber. Blood gas returned pH 7.28, PCO2 55, PaO2 300, Base deficit -2.1.
 
Survey of other causes and drugs in the ddx negative, dantrolene ready, CO2 absorbant was warm and completely blue top chamber but white and cool on the bottom chamber. Blood gas returned pH 7.28, PCO2 55, PaO2 300, Base deficit -2.1.
Hahaha! And I assume the temp stabilized once he wasn't actively being fried anymore.

The only question remaining: resident or CRNA?
 
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Survey of other causes and drugs in the ddx negative, dantrolene ready, CO2 absorbant was warm and completely blue top chamber but white and cool on the bottom chamber. Blood gas returned pH 7.28, PCO2 55, PaO2 300, Base deficit -2.1.

So much for zebras.
 
Common things being common, I suspect it's a combination of iatrogenic overheating and poor ventilation through the LMA. With that constellation of findings, I think you have to get an ABG to rule out MH, but still think that is a red herring.

For the residents, this is why you should get a core temp whenever possible. The 105 skin temp was probably just reflecting the fact that the bair hugger was being blasted at 43C. MH pretty unlikely with a core temp of 100F.

I would have done similarly. ETT, turn bair hugger to ambient to cool the patient, sent an ABG. With the ABG you posted, this was almost certainly provider sabotage until proven otherwise. Just needs cooling, hyperventilation til things stabilize.
 
Dantrolene withheld. Blood gasses matched the expected results and PaCO2 and ETCO2 were within 2 mm Hg of each other. The core temperature continued to drop, reaching 99.4F by the end of surgery. ETCO2 began to normalize but plateaued at 55 mm Hg with spontaneous ventilation. Naloxone given to reverse any effect of the fentanyl but no change in ETCO2. LMA was removed and spontaneous mask ventilation was monitored for a few minutes until awakening. The ETCO2 with spontaneous ventilation using a mask immediately dropped from 55 to 41 after removal of the LMA.
 
The fact that things got better without you giving Dantrolene is NOT Reassuring!
You should have treated this as MH and gave Dantrolene, it's probably an MH variant but your management was alarmingly inapropraite.
You always assume MH in the presence of high CO2 and especially with hyperthermia, and you treat accordingly with Dantrolene.
Waiting for lab results is a terrible idea.
I cringe at the notion that you would withhold Dantrolene waiting for lab results!
 
The fact that things got better without you giving Dantrolene is NOT Reassuring!
You should have treated this as MH and gave Dantrolene, it's probably an MH variant but your management was alarmingly inapropraite.
You always assume MH in the presence of high CO2 and especially with hyperthermia, and you treat accordingly with Dantrolene.
Waiting for lab results is a terrible idea.
I cringe at the notion that you would withhold Dantrolene waiting for lab results!

The only management that was inappropriate was the provider in the room. @algosdoc did exactly the right thing. Dantrolene is not a benign drug, not to mention the wasted resources on an unnecessary PICU stay.

A temp of 100F, an ABG with a mild respiratory acidosis, and an elevated EtCO2 that comes down with appropriate ventilation is not an MH crisis. It just isn't.
 
This is how you kill MH patients! You assume things and start a lengthy diagnostic process.
He did not know what the ABG would show, and hyperthermia in MH is a late symptom and if you wait for it you are already late, but he chose to withhold specific MH treatment waiting for labs.
This is not what you do if you suspect MH.
Giving Dantrolene does not kill the patient but missing the diagnosis of MH certainly does.
 
This is how you kill MH patients! You assume things and start a lengthy diagnostic process.
He did not know what the ABG would show, and hyperthermia in MH is a late symptom and if you wait for it you are already late, but he chose to withhold specific MH treatment waiting for labs.
This is not what you do if you suspect MH.
Giving Dantrolene does not kill the patient but missing the diagnosis of MH certainly does.

Good thing it wasn't an MH case then ;-)

Seriously, how long does it take you to get an ABG back? Should be less than 15 minutes. Pre-test probability based just on the clinical signs is already pretty low, the ABG was just the final nail in the coffin.

We had a similar case a couple years ago. One of my adult colleagues was paired with a CRNA who does mostly adults, taking care of a kid at the ambulatory center. Messed around with the airway for awhile, goosed the kid for awhile, finally got things straightened out and the EtCO2 was in the 70s or 80s. Combined that with a temp of like 38 C (kid probably had a URI) and they freaked out, gave the kid dantrolene, and shipped him to the PICU. ABGs basically normal, if I recall. Case came up at M&M and everyone was like WTF.
 
Good thing it wasn't an MH case then ;-)

Seriously, how long does it take you to get an ABG back? Should be less than 15 minutes. Pre-test probability based just on the clinical signs is already pretty low, the ABG was just the final nail in the coffin.

We had a similar case a couple years ago. One of my adult colleagues was paired with a CRNA who does mostly adults, taking care of a kid at the ambulatory center. Messed around with the airway for awhile, goosed the kid for awhile, finally got things straightened out and the EtCO2 was in the 70s or 80s. Combined that with a temp of like 38 C (kid probably had a URI) and they freaked out, gave the kid dantrolene, and shipped him to the PICU. ABGs basically normal, if I recall. Case came up at M&M and everyone was like WTF.
How do you know it wasn't an MH case?
The fact that it got better spontaneously after he discontinued the triggering agent does not mean it wasn't MH!
MH is treated on clinical suspicion... period.
 
The fact that things got better without you giving Dantrolene is NOT Reassuring!
You should have treated this as MH and gave Dantrolene, it's probably an MH variant but your management was alarmingly inapropraite.
You always assume MH in the presence of high CO2 and especially with hyperthermia, and you treat accordingly with Dantrolene.
Waiting for lab results is a terrible idea.
I cringe at the notion that you would withhold Dantrolene waiting for lab results!
Read the entire story. @algosdoc was textbook, perfect management in my book. This was a poorly-ventilated patient, probably also without PEEP, which was ventilating a lot of dead space. There is no other explanation how the EtCO2 improved 10+ mmHg with spontaneous ventilation, at the end of the case, unless there was a ton of atelectasis from all that hypoventilation.

Even in MH, if one has serious doubts about the diagnosis (and I had the second I heard that the core was only 100, and that the CO2 went from 80 to 56 with manual ventilation - plus clearly an idiot provider who just sat there), one does have 5-10 minutes to get and run an ABG next door. One cannot fix hypercarbia in MH by hyperventilating the patient, or the fever by cooling with a Bair hugger.
 
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While it may be argued that any elevation of CO2 should have Dantrolene, it is important to understand it is the presence of elevated CO2 that is not reducible via hyperventilation accompanied by other symptoms and signs are used to make a presumptive diagnosis of MH. In this case, ultimately it turned out there were two events occurring simultaneously that mimicked MH: overheating of the patient via convection warmer and dead volume of the LMA. The ETCO2 was reducible via hyperventilation but not all the way back to normal. The core temperature was 100.0 (37.77 deg C) after being under a heating blanket that was set to deliver 109.4 degrees warmed air and this certainly resulted in skin temperatures of 105 deg C (a red herring). Fever may rise late in the course of MH, but the patient had been under general anesthesia for 2 hours 15 min and there was no significant core temperature rise. A long tourniquet time and the use of fentanyl may have exacerbated the ETCO2 elevation. There was no masseter spasm, no generalized rigidity, no cardiac dysrhythmias, no mottling or flushing of the skin, no elevation or decline in BP, no sweating in parts of the body outside the heating blanket and the temperature began to decline as soon as the heating blanket was removed (something that is not seen with MH). The cases reported with MH have the entire canister of absorbent blue and warm to touch. The blood gas was available in 4 minutes- sooner than the dantrolene could be obtained and mixed. By this time, there were more signs the patient was not suffering from MH. The recovery was uneventful.

The differential diagnosis for MH includes:

Anesthesia/surgery-related issues
Insufficient anesthesia/analgesia – Patients with insufficient anesthesia/analgesia can have tachycardia, hypertension, and tachypnea (in a spontaneously-breathing patient), causing hypocarbia; muscular signs (generalized rigidity, masseter spasm, rhabdomyolysis, and hyperkalemia) and hypercarbia would not be present.
Insufficient ventilation/fresh gas flow – Patients with insufficient ventilation/fresh gas flow commonly have hypercarbia, respiratory acidosis, and, possibly, tachycardia and hypertension; metabolic acidosis and muscular signs (generalized rigidity, masseter spasm, rhabdomyolysis, and hyperkalemia) would not be present.
Anesthesia machine malfunction – A malfunctioning expiratory valve on the anesthesia machine will lead to rebreathing of exhaled CO2, with similar findings as for insufficient ventilation. A malfunctioning temperature probe may indicate hyperthermia that is not present.
Overheating – Fever alone, no matter how high, is not a useful indicator of acute MH. This may occur as a result of an infectious process or iatrogenic warming; the clinical situation should be taken into account. Postoperative fever is relatively common; in the absence of other signs and symptoms of MH, alternate diagnoses should be sought.
Increased CO2 absorption during laparoscopy – Hypercarbia resistant to increases in minute ventilation may be due to continuous CO2 absorption during laparoscopy. The presence of subcutaneous emphysema, or known insufflation of CO2 into tissues, makes this a likely explanation. Occasionally the insufflating trochar may back out to the point subcutaneous insufflation is occurring resulting in hypercarbia both inspired and expired and subcutaneous CO2 with crepitance of the skin. Tachycardia and hypertension are often noted during laparoscopy; muscular signs (generalized rigidity, masseter spasm, rhabdomyolysis, and hyperkalemia) and metabolic acidosis would not be present.

Drug-related issues
Anaphylaxis – Reduced blood pressure may be seen in both anaphylaxis and MH. Anaphylaxis leads to bronchospasm, wheezing, and increased airway pressures, causing lower minute ventilation and thus increased PaCO2; MH-related hypercarbia persists despite higher minute ventilation (from tachypnea or increasing ventilator settings). Ninety percent of anaphylactic episodes include skin symptoms and signs. Muscular signs (generalized rigidity, masseter spasm, rhabdomyolysis, and hyperkalemia) would not be present with anaphylaxis.
Transfusion reaction – Signs common to both transfusion reaction and MH may include fever, brown urine, hypotension, and signs of hyperkalemia. Concomitant transfusion of blood products should raise this possibility.
Drugs of abuse – A number of drugs of abuse may cause signs that overlap with MH:
•Cocaine acute administration within 2 hours may cause tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmias, hypertension, and rhabdomyolysis. Chronic cocaine on the other hand depletes catecholamines and results in hypotension unresponsive to fluids, ephedrine, and phenylephrine.
•MDMA (ecstasy) acute administration (usually within 6 hours) may cause tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmias, hypertension, hyperthermia, and rhabdomyolysis. It may also lead to serotonin syndrome.
•Methamphetamine (acute administration within 6 hours) may lead to tachycardia, hypertension, sudden cardiovascular collapse, and tachypnea.
Alcohol withdrawal – Delirium tremens generally begins 48 to 96 hours after the last drink, and may include tachycardia, hypertension, and fever.
Neuroleptic malignant syndrome – The slow onset of neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS) (heralded by mental status changes evolving over one to three days) generally distinguishes it from MH. Both syndromes may include fever, rigidity, and autonomic instability, but NMS does not generally occur during administration of general anesthesia.
Serotonin syndrome – This can result from excess ingestion or inadvertent interactions of the many drugs that increase serotonergic activity. It has many signs in common with MH (tachycardia, volatile blood pressure, hyperthermia, and muscle rigidity), as well as elevated CK and metabolic acidosis; but serotonin syndrome may also have signs not seen in MH (tremor, clonus, hyperreflexia, akathisia, and dilated pupils).
Extrapyramidal side effects of antipsychotic medications – These can include muscle spasms, but rapid onset and characteristic localization (usually neck, tongue, or jaw) distinguish them from MH.
Pyrogenic contaminants – Pyrogenic contaminants to intravenous solutions can cause fever.

Coexisting medical conditions
Infection/septicemia – Sepsis may be accompanied by fever, metabolic acidosis, and elevations in CK; this makes it difficult to distinguish from MH. Generalized rigidity would not be seen in sepsis. Other perioperative causes of fever are much more common than acute MH. Patients undergoing surgery involving endothelial surfaces (gastrointestinal tract, urogenital tract, etc) are particularly prone to develop fever, which can be due to transient bacteremia or the effects of anesthetics and/or surgery on the hypothalamic thermoregulatory system .
Pheochromocytoma – Undiagnosed pheochromocytoma may present during surgery with episodic severe hypertension and tachycardia
Thyroid storm – Thyroid storm may occur in patients with untreated hyperthyroidism, precipitated by surgery or trauma. Symptoms which overlap with MH include tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmia, and hyperthermia to 104 to 106°F. Hypotension and cardiovascular collapse may develop. Muscular signs (generalized rigidity, masseter spasm, rhabdomyolysis, and hyperkalemia) would not be present with thyroid storm. Mental status changes and gastrointestinal symptoms of thyroid storm are not apparent under general anesthesia.
Cerebral pathology – Fever may result from hypoxic encephalopathy, intracranial bleed, traumatic brain injury, or meningitis.
Neuromuscular disorders – Patients with various muscular disorders, including Duchenne and Becker muscular dystrophy, may develop rhabdomyolysis or hyperkalemia when exposed to volatile anesthetics or SCH; this is not fulminant MH (although these drugs are contraindicated in patients with these conditions). Other disorders (myotonias, osteogenesis imperfecta) may have increased muscular symptomatology or fever during anesthesia without other signs of MH.
Rhabdomyolysis – Rhabdomyolysis may occur from other causes and must be distinguished from MH by the clinical situation.
 
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Read the entire story. @algosdoc was textbook, perfect management in my book. This was a poorly-ventilated patient, probably also without PEEP, which was ventilating a lot of dead space. There is no other explanation how the EtCO2 improved 10+ mmHg with spontaneous ventilation, at the end of the case, unless there was a ton of atelectasis from all that hypoventilation.

Even in MH, if one has serious doubts about the diagnosis (and I had the second I heard that the core was only 100, and that the CO2 went from 80 to 56 with manual ventilation - plus clearly an idiot provider who just sat there), one does have 5-10 minutes to get and run an ABG next door. One cannot fix hypercarbia in MH by hyperventilating the patient, or the fever by cooling with a Bair hugger.
He did not "fix" the bypercarbia! The ETCO2 was 56 as you said, he was unable to lower it further and that's still not normal if you are hyperventilating by hand as he did.
The patient was Hypercarbic and hyperthermic, the CO2 absorber was warm as he stated.
Overheating and hypoventilating could be the cause but he also stated that the breathing was "spontaneous and unlabored" which sounds like he is saying there was really no hypoventilation.
The onset of MH can be subtle and slow and taking this relaxed attitude towards the suspicion of MH is how you miss the diagnosis in a real MH case.
 
So did a anyone stroll up to the table and calmly demonstrate a lack of rigidity or was an MH crisis called without basic physical examination?
 
He did not "fix" the bypercarbia! The ETCO2 was 56 as you said, he was unable to lower it further and that's still not normal if you are hyperventilating by hand as he did.
The patient was Hypercarbic and hyperthermic, the CO2 absorber was warm as he stated.
Overheating and hypoventilating could be the cause but he also stated that the breathing was "spontaneous and unlabored" which sounds like he is saying there was really no hypoventilation.
The onset of MH can be subtle and slow and taking this relaxed attitude towards the suspicion of MH is how you miss the diagnosis in a real MH case.
I agree that when MH presents you need to jump on it aggressively.

But this was obvious hypoventilation. Something like eight of us in the thread immediately identified that as the problem.

The CO2 actually did get better when then MV was increased. 80 to 56 is significant. The hallmark of MH is hypercarbia that doesn't respond to increases in MV.

The patient also lacked other signs of MH, namely muscle rigidity or a metabolic acidosis. Temperature elevation is a late, nonspecific sign. The OP's management was excellent.
 
Mild hyperthermia was resolving after turning off the warmer. This never happens with malignant hyperthermia. The entire CO2 canister was not warm nor blue as it is with malignant hyperthermia. There was an upper body physical exam that demonstrated no increased muscle tone including the masseter in this patient who had not been given any neuromuscular blockers- muscle rigidity is a prominent feature of MH.
 
Since MH is so rare we don’t know a ton about it but when you read about it textbooks will say things like “when the patient is spontaneously breathing they will hyperventilate and still not be able to correct the PCO2”.

But it’s curious to me that whole body muscle tetanus spares the respiratory muscles enough to allow hyperventilation. Doesn’t make sense to me.
 
I think taking 5 minutes to gather data and make interventions is okay.

But I also understand people never seem to follow textbooks so things are always a little off and unclear. Also as we learn more, MH is a spectrum with likely many presentations.

I can’t imagine someone giving fault if in this scenario, Dantrolene was given.

Would people think different if this was a 40y/o? For me, kids always scare me because this zebra is lurking out there.

Also planktonmd, it should be pointed out that algos DID consider MH. He was posed and ready (and started treatment by removing triggering agent ) while trying to navigate the decision tree.

I think the danger would have come when someone thinks “nope. It can’t be MH. it’s too rare.”
 
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