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    Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
    Iowa --
    Rochester --
    Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
    Montefiore --
    St. Barnabas --
    UCLA --
    Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
    Nebraska --
    New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or Oct. 24
    Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
    Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, Oct 25, Oct 26, Nov 1, or Nov 4
    Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
    Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
    Maryland --Oct.. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
    OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
    Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
    Tennessee-- Oct 17
    Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
    Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
    UMKC - Oct. 24
    NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
    Washington -- Oct. 24
    Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
    SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
    Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
    Children's National Med Center -- Nov. 11
    Pitt -- Nov. 7
    UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
    Ohio State --Nov. 15
    West Virginia --
    Kentucky -- Nov. 3rd and 4th
    San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
    Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
    Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
    VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
    Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
    UNC -- Nov. 7th or 8th
    Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
    Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
     

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      Florida this evening. Nov 7th and 8th

      Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
      Iowa --
      Rochester --
      Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
      Montefiore --
      St. Barnabas --
      UCLA --
      Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
      Nebraska --
      New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or Oct. 24
      Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
      Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, Oct 25, Oct 26, Nov 1, or Nov 4
      Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
      Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
      Maryland --Oct.. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
      OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
      Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
      Tennessee-- Oct 17
      Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
      Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
      UMKC - Oct. 24
      NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
      Washington -- Oct. 24
      Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
      SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
      Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
      Children's National Med Center -- Nov. 11
      Pitt -- Nov. 7
      UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
      Ohio State --Nov. 15
      West Virginia --
      Kentucky -- Nov. 3rd and 4th
      San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
      Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
      Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
      VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
      Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
      UNC -- Nov. 7th or 8th
      Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
      Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
      Florida-- Nov 7th or 8th
       
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        TMP said:
        So far as Ive heard the following schools STILL are not out yet.????

        Pacific, USC, Detroit mercy, Tufts, Indiana, Columbia, Case, Mayo

        Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
        Iowa --
        Rochester --
        Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
        Montefiore --
        St. Barnabas --
        UCLA --
        Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
        Nebraska --
        New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or Oct. 24
        Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
        Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, Oct 25, Oct 26, Nov 1, or Nov 4
        Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
        Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
        Maryland --Oct.. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
        OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
        Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
        Tennessee-- Oct 17
        Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
        Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
        UMKC - Oct. 24
        NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
        Washington -- Oct. 24
        Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
        SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
        Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
        Children's National Med Center -- Nov. 11
        Pitt -- Nov. 7
        UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
        Ohio State --Nov. 15
        West Virginia --
        Kentucky -- Nov. 3rd and 4th
        San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
        Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
        Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
        VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
        Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
        UNC -- Nov. 7th or 8th
        Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
        Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
        Florida-- Nov 7th or 8th
        Columbia-- Oct 19 (first day...they have more dates)
        Indiana-- Oct 20 and 21
        USC-- Oct 26 and 27
        UConn-- Nov 2 and 3
         

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          Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
          Iowa --
          Rochester --
          Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
          Montefiore --
          St. Barnabas --
          UCLA --
          Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
          Nebraska --
          New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or Oct. 24
          Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
          Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, Oct 25, Oct 26, Nov 1, or Nov 4
          Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
          Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
          Maryland --Oct.. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
          OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
          Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
          Tennessee-- Oct 17
          Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
          Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
          UMKC - Oct. 24
          NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
          Washington -- Oct. 24
          Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
          SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
          Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
          Children's National Med Center -- Nov. 11
          Pitt -- Nov. 7
          UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
          Ohio State --Nov. 15
          West Virginia --
          Kentucky -- Nov. 3rd and 4th
          San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
          Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
          Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
          VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
          Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
          UNC -- Nov. 7th or 8th
          Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
          Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
          Florida-- Nov 7th or 8th
          Columbia-- Oct 19 (first day...they have more dates)
          Indiana-- Oct 20 and 21
          USC-- Oct 26 and 27
          UConn-- Nov 2 and 3
          Mayo --
          Tufts -- Nov 3 and 4
          Case -- Nov 15 and 16
           

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            looks like most every program has notified except these two? anyone heard anything? someone told me that pacific called a week ago at an interview , but can not confirm it.


            jpollei said:
            Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
            Iowa --
            Rochester --
            Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
            Montefiore --
            St. Barnabas --
            UCLA --
            Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
            Nebraska --
            New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or Oct. 24
            Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
            Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, Oct 25, Oct 26, Nov 1, or Nov 4
            Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
            Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
            Maryland --Oct.. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
            OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
            Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
            Tennessee-- Oct 17
            Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
            Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
            UMKC - Oct. 24
            NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
            Washington -- Oct. 24
            Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
            SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
            Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
            Children's National Med Center -- Nov. 11
            Pitt -- Nov. 7
            UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
            Ohio State --Nov. 15
            West Virginia --
            Kentucky -- Nov. 3rd and 4th
            San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
            Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
            Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
            VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
            Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
            UNC -- Nov. 7th or 8th
            Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
            Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
            Florida-- Nov 7th or 8th
            Columbia-- Oct 19 (first day...they have more dates)
            Indiana-- Oct 20 and 21
            USC-- Oct 26 and 27
            UConn-- Nov 2 and 3
            Mayo --
            Tufts -- Nov 3 and 4
            Case -- Nov 15 and 16
             

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              looks like most every program has notified except these two? anyone heard anything? someone told me that pacific called a week ago at an interview , but can not confirm it.


              Detroit mercy called...hmmm...i heard they're making calls next week, and interviews are Nov. 7-9th.....maybe some secretary's screwing with our minds....funny how you get interviews where you least expect them and vice versa.
               
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                Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
                Iowa --
                Rochester --
                Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
                Montefiore --
                St. Barnabas --
                UCLA -- Oct. 19
                Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
                Nebraska --
                New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or 24
                Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
                Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, 25, 26, Nov 1, or 4
                Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
                Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
                Maryland --Oct. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
                OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
                Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
                Tennessee-- Oct 17
                Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
                Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
                UMKC - Oct. 24
                NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
                Washington -- Oct. 24
                Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
                SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
                Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
                Children's National -- Nov. 11
                Pitt -- Nov. 7
                UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
                Ohio State --Nov. 15
                West Virginia --
                Kentucky -- Nov. 3 and 4
                San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
                Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
                Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
                VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
                Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
                UNC -- Nov. 7 or 8
                Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
                Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
                Florida-- Nov. 7 or 8
                Columbia-- Oct. 19 (first day...they have more dates)
                Indiana-- Oct. 20 & 21
                USC-- Oct. 26 and 27
                UConn-- Nov. 2 and 3
                Mayo --
                Tufts -- Nov. 3 and 4
                Case -- Nov. 15 or 16
                Detroit Mercy -- Nov. 4
                USC -- Oct. 27
                Pacific --
                 

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                  jpollei said:
                  Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
                  Iowa --
                  Rochester --
                  Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
                  Montefiore --
                  St. Barnabas --
                  UCLA -- Oct. 19
                  Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
                  Nebraska --
                  New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or 24
                  Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
                  Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, 25, 26, Nov 1, or 4
                  Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
                  Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
                  Maryland --Oct. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
                  OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
                  Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
                  Tennessee-- Oct 17
                  Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
                  Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
                  UMKC - Oct. 24
                  NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
                  Washington -- Oct. 24
                  Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
                  SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
                  Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
                  Children's National -- Nov. 11
                  Pitt -- Nov. 7
                  UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
                  Ohio State --Nov. 15
                  West Virginia --
                  Kentucky -- Nov. 3 and 4
                  San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
                  Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
                  Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
                  VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
                  Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
                  UNC -- Nov. 7 or 8
                  Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
                  Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
                  Florida-- Nov. 7 or 8
                  Columbia-- Oct. 19 (first day...they have more dates)
                  Indiana-- Oct. 20 & 21
                  USC-- Oct. 26 and 27
                  UConn-- Nov. 2 and 3
                  Mayo --
                  Tufts -- Nov. 3 and 4
                  Case -- Nov. 15 or 16
                  Detroit Mercy -- Nov. 4
                  USC -- Oct. 27
                  Pacific --
                  Mayo Granted their interviews starting the 24th of Oct thru Nov4
                   

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                    Detroit Mercy is offering interviews on Nov 1st as well.

                    Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
                    Iowa --
                    Rochester --
                    Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
                    Montefiore --
                    St. Barnabas --
                    UCLA -- Oct. 19
                    Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
                    Nebraska --
                    New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or 24
                    Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
                    Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, 25, 26, Nov 1, or 4
                    Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
                    Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
                    Maryland --Oct. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
                    OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
                    Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
                    Tennessee-- Oct 17
                    Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
                    Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
                    UMKC - Oct. 24
                    NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
                    Washington -- Oct. 24
                    Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
                    SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
                    Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
                    Children's National -- Nov. 11
                    Pitt -- Nov. 7
                    UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
                    Ohio State --Nov. 15
                    West Virginia --
                    Kentucky -- Nov. 3 and 4
                    San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
                    Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
                    Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
                    VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
                    Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
                    UNC -- Nov. 7 or 8
                    Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
                    Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
                    Florida-- Nov. 7 or 8
                    Columbia-- Oct. 19 (first day...they have more dates)
                    Indiana-- Oct. 20 & 21
                    USC-- Oct. 26 and 27
                    UConn-- Nov. 2 and 3
                    Mayo --
                    Tufts -- Nov. 3 and 4
                    Case -- Nov. 15 or 16
                    Detroit Mercy -- Nov 1 or Nov. 4
                    USC -- Oct. 27
                    Pacific --
                     

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                      antidentite said:
                      Are both BU and Tufts participating in the MATCH this year ?
                      I know Tufts is participating in Match. I'm not sure about BU. I applied to LSU because it was before Hurricane Katrina. I received an email today from the director saying that they were still going to interview, but obviously not at the clinics. It was such a nice email that I responded back...anyone's views on LSU ortho???
                       

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                        ok, i just called BU and the secretary says they're still reviewing applications and will notify by email when they're done. no time estimate given.

                        I've heard BU takes its own, but i dunno how true that is. However, I do not know of anyone who actually got an interview there last year.
                         

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                          tooth_sleuth said:
                          I've heard BU takes its own, but i dunno how true that is. However, I do not know of anyone who actually got an interview there last year.



                          I spoke to someone there yesterday and they are not participating in Match. They are really slow this year and she said they may not have interviews until December....supposedly they are restructuring their post-doc programs.
                           
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                            Rochester, UNLV, and Colorado (non-scholarships for the latter 2) have notified their acceptances. Does anybody know if Loma Linda has made calls for their final decisions?


                            UNLV and Colorado....u guys actually applying there??? I thought about it, but too worried about the post-gradaution contract and I heard about a lack of faculty.
                             

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                              TKD said:
                              UNLV and Colorado....u guys actually applying there??? I thought about it, but too worried about the post-gradaution contract and I heard about a lack of faculty.

                              OK, I'm only going to post about the OEC thing because others even menitoned it. :) Glad you didn't apply there TKD. Why? Well, I was asked at a couple of very "respectible" programs what my thoughts are about OEC (they used the term "proprietary programs"). My answer was the same as it has been since the inception of OEC...bad for orthodontics and dentistry in so many ways (though there are plenty of old posts containing good reads worth of banter on the matter, so no need to go into it here).

                              I just found it interesting--and very nice to be honest--that it wasn't only my program or the orthodontists that I know who're opposed to OEC. It is all over the country. Course, rumor is they may be heading to San Francisco (UOP?) next... we'll see how that plays out.
                               

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                                OK, the most current (OEC programs not included)...

                                Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
                                Iowa --
                                Rochester -- granted acceptances already
                                Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
                                Montefiore --
                                St. Barnabas --
                                UCLA -- Oct. 19
                                Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
                                Nebraska --
                                New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or 24
                                Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
                                Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, 25, 26, Nov 1, or 4
                                Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
                                Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
                                Maryland --Oct. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
                                OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
                                Loma Linda -- Oct. 24 or Oct 25
                                Tennessee-- Oct 17
                                Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
                                Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
                                UMKC - Oct. 24
                                NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
                                Washington -- Oct. 24
                                Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
                                SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
                                Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
                                Children's National -- Nov. 11
                                Pitt -- Nov. 7
                                UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
                                Ohio State --Nov. 15
                                West Virginia --
                                Kentucky -- Nov. 3 and 4
                                San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
                                Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
                                Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
                                VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
                                Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
                                UNC -- Nov. 7 or 8
                                Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
                                Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
                                Florida-- Nov. 7 or 8
                                Columbia-- Oct. 19 (first day...they have more dates)
                                Indiana-- Oct. 20 & 21
                                USC-- Oct. 26 and 27
                                UConn-- Nov. 2 and 3
                                Mayo --
                                Tufts -- Nov. 3 and 4
                                Case -- Nov. 15 or 16
                                Detroit Mercy -- Nov 1 or Nov. 4
                                USC -- Oct. 27
                                Pacific --
                                BU -- coming in December (hopefully)
                                 

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                                  UNLV and Colorado....u guys actually applying there??? I thought about it, but too worried about the post-gradaution contract and I heard about a lack of faculty.

                                  There are such things as non-scholarship positions where you serve no committment. If you were an orthodontic patient, did you ask your orthodontist where he/she went for residency? Loma Linda has contacted their acceptances as well.
                                   

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                                    i got a blank email from boston u titled "message from boston university postdoctoral program" or something like that. nothing else in the email. did anyone else get this? did they notify of interviews / rejections today?
                                     

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                                      woody2 said:
                                      i got a blank email from boston u titled "message from boston university postdoctoral program" or something like that. nothing else in the email. did anyone else get this? did they notify of interviews / rejections today?


                                      I got an email from BU with the same subject heading. The email stated that there is a new admissions secretary who will be contacting applicants in the near future. No notifications either way yet.

                                      Re OEC, the point of my post was to see if the "average applicant" considers these as viable options. I'd like to hear from ortho applicants in this regard.

                                      To answer Surfsup, I am most concerned about the lack of autonomy to graduates from there. The best part about dentistry is being able to open a practice where u want to and run it how you want it run. I see companies like Aspen Dental and we all know how they are screwing up general dentistry. The whole "what the patient doesn't know won't hurt them" philosophy is wrong on several levels. I will say that I agree with OEC's goal of increasing access to orthodontic care. Let's see if they majority of practices they open will be in underserved areas.
                                       

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                                        TKD said:
                                        I got an email from BU with the same subject heading. The email stated that there is a new admissions secretary who will be contacting applicants in the near future. No notifications either way yet.

                                        Re OEC, the point of my post was to see if the "average applicant" considers these as viable options. I'd like to hear from ortho applicants in this regard.

                                        To answer Surfsup, I am most concerned about the lack of autonomy to graduates from there. The best part about dentistry is being able to open a practice where u want to and run it how you want it run. I see companies like Aspen Dental and we all know how they are screwing up general dentistry. The whole "what the patient doesn't know won't hurt them" philosophy is wrong on several levels. I will say that I agree with OEC's goal of increasing access to orthodontic care. Let's see if they majority of practices they open will be in underserved areas.

                                        I have received 20 ortho interviews this year (and only applied to 1 OEC-affiliated program). I don't know if that qualifies as the "average applicant". Do people not realize that there are non-scholarship positions where you can go out and work like any other ortho graduate?
                                         

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                                          TKD said:
                                          Re OEC, the point of my post was to see if the "average applicant" considers these as viable options. I'd like to hear from ortho applicants in this regard.

                                          It's not a viable option for me, and it's not a viable option for most of the other applicants I've met. I've also been asked about it at every place I've interviewed, so I'd say it's not seen as a viable option by any program director either.

                                          It really shocks me that some applicants make a distinction between the "scholarship" spots and "non-scholarship" spots. You're supporting the program regardless. I guess what I think doesn't really matter, but I've spoken with a hand full of chairs and they don't make a distinction. Either way, you're supporting the philosophy and getting your training from an ortho mill.
                                           

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                                            DDSSlave said:
                                            It's not a viable option for me, and it's not a viable option for most of the other applicants I've met. I've also been asked about it at every place I've interviewed, so I'd say it's not seen as a viable option by any program director either.

                                            It really shocks me that some applicants make a distinction between the "scholarship" spots and "non-scholarship" spots. You're supporting the program regardless. I guess what I think doesn't really matter, but I've spoken with a hand full of chairs and they don't make a distinction. Either way, you're supporting the philosophy and getting your training from an ortho mill.

                                            I agree 100%. Definitely not a viable option for me. So, back to the interviews/acceptances thread...
                                             
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                                              Hi friends
                                              I am an Orthodontist from foreign dental school. I have California dental license and got opportunity to practice orthodontics in California. I still wanted to do residency here so applied to 24 universities this year. I haven’t heard anything yet from any university except Loma Linda so I am assuming that there is no more chance for this year. LLU also had sent rejection for interview. I am putting here my details.
                                              Please help me giving suggestions about what I should do to get admission next year.

                                              Part I – 88%
                                              Part II – 82%
                                              GRE – 1740/2400
                                              TOEFL – 257
                                              GPA for Dentistry - 3.59
                                              GPA for Post graduation - 2.71 (GPA is calculated by ECE not school)
                                              Rank in class 1st year – 4
                                              2nd year – 1
                                              3rd year – 1
                                              4th year – 5
                                              Overall – 2
                                              MDS in Ortho – 1
                                              Research and Dissertation is done during post graduation.
                                              I am using this disscussion forum first time so critics and suggestions are appreciated.
                                              Thanks
                                               

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                                                Penn -- Mon & Wed beginning 9/28
                                                Iowa --
                                                Rochester -- granted acceptances already
                                                Oklahoma -- Oct. 27,28 or Nov. 10-11
                                                Montefiore --
                                                St. Barnabas --
                                                UCLA -- Oct. 19
                                                Alabama -- Oct. 13 or 14
                                                Nebraska --
                                                New Jersey -- Oct. 21 or 24
                                                Nova Southeastern -- Oct 17
                                                Illinois-Chicago -- Oct. 19, 25, 26, Nov 1, or 4
                                                Baylor -- Oct. 19, 20 or 21
                                                Minnesota -- Oct 13 or 14
                                                Maryland --Oct. 19, 25 or a date in Nov.
                                                OHSU -- Nov. 3 or 9
                                                Loma Linda -- granted acceptances already
                                                Tennessee-- Oct 17
                                                Houston -- Oct 26 & 27 or 27 & 28
                                                Michigan-- Oct 20 or 24
                                                UMKC - Oct. 24
                                                NYU -- Oct. 14 and 15
                                                Washington -- Oct. 24
                                                Marquette - Nov. 3 and 4
                                                SLU - Oct. 17, 18, 19 or 20
                                                Vanderbilt -- Oct. 27 or 31
                                                Children's National -- Nov. 11
                                                Pitt -- Nov. 7
                                                UCSF -- Oct. 25 and 26
                                                Ohio State --Nov. 15
                                                West Virginia --
                                                Kentucky -- Nov. 3 and 4
                                                San Antonio -- Nov. 4 or 7
                                                Buffalo -- Oct. 24 or 25
                                                Harvard -- Nov. 7 & 8
                                                VCU -- Nov. 10 & 11
                                                Temple -- Oct. 17 or 21
                                                UNC -- Nov. 7 or 8
                                                Louisville -- Oct. 31 or Nov. 1
                                                Stony Brook -- Oct. 29
                                                Florida-- Nov. 7 or 8
                                                Columbia-- Oct. 19 (first day...they have more dates)
                                                Indiana-- Oct. 20 & 21
                                                USC-- Oct. 26 and 27
                                                UConn-- Nov. 2 and 3
                                                Mayo --
                                                Tufts -- Nov. 3 and 4
                                                Case -- Nov. 15 or 16
                                                Detroit Mercy -- Nov 1 or Nov. 4
                                                USC -- Oct. 27
                                                Pacific --
                                                BU -- coming in December (hopefully)
                                                Georgia --
                                                 

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                                                  Here are some interesting numbers about the match for those of you who think that the match is ideal.. I retrieved these stats from someone who saved the info from last year's match for ortho. 504 applicants entered the match, 243 matched. 356 were ranked by at least 1 program (you can't assume that the other 148 unranked applicants who entered a rank list, & went to at least 1 interview to qualify, received only 1 or 2 total interviews). 2423 total ranks were submitted by applicants, so the average # of interview ranks per applicant is 4.8. Only 1026 ranks were submitted by programs (this isn't even including the likely possibility that superstars are hogging up many of these rankings submitted by programs). That's right, you are getting ranked at only 42% of your interviews!!!! You are spending $ for the flights, hotel, travel expenses at the other ~60% of your interviews to get a 0% mathematical chance at those programs on match day. You could have 14-15 interviews and still be "drawing dead" on match day, so throw away the "magic number" idea. Programs get away with not ranking all their interviewees & have no post-match open positions b/c there are 2 times as many interviewees than spots available. What you are really aiming for is to GET ranked by at least 1 program, and have a 68% chance (243/356 applicants) of getting in that year. And you thought it was only jerks who didn't get ranked...
                                                   

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                                                    Those statistics illustrate why it always shocks me when good students only interview at 3 or 4 spots. I ran into several people on my interviews that were doing it for the second time that had very high boards and good class ranks. They had gone into the interviews the first time with a cocky attitude and didn't match a spot (schools talk, and they will black ball). But, the odds are if you interview at a bunch of places that you will get in.

                                                    By the way, if the match is done appropriately by all sides, it isn't a bad thing at all. It takes out the dirty dealing that can occur, ie giving you an ultimatum at a residency that might not be your top choice. For instance, if you interviewed at school early (say San Antonio, because that is where I am), they might give you a week to decide, prior to taking all of your interviews (and you have UNC and UW coming up in ten days). That puts you in a difficult spot, because you know that you are in at San Antonio, but you really want to interview at UNC and UW. Don't think that people prior to match didn't interview at 14 places. Not everyone that tried to get in prior to match got in, and many had to apply multiple times. Just because everybody doesn't get a spot doesn't make match bad. Not everyone can get in.

                                                    As for the programs "getting away with not ranking all their applicants", that is their right; just like you, the applicant, have the right to not rank a program after interviewing at a place. However, unlike the programs, the interviewee has more of an opportunity to get an appraisal of the programs prior to purchasing a plane ticket. If a program has a bad reputation, the applicant can choose not to go. All the programs have to go on is an application, with numbers and a lame essay. Very difficult to choose who will be difficult to work with, have an attitude, etc. So be sure, the programs will leave jerks off their list. They will also leave those that do not gel with the residents off their list.

                                                    In summary, ortho is VERY competitive.

                                                    Surfs up said:
                                                    Here are some interesting numbers about the match for those of you who think that the match is ideal.. I retrieved these stats from someone who saved the info from last year's match for ortho. 504 applicants entered the match, 243 matched. 356 were ranked by at least 1 program (you can't assume that the other 148 unranked applicants who entered a rank list, & went to at least 1 interview to qualify, received only 1 or 2 total interviews). 2423 total ranks were submitted by applicants, so the average # of interview ranks per applicant is 4.8. Only 1026 ranks were submitted by programs (this isn't even including the likely possibility that superstars are hogging up many of these rankings submitted by programs). That's right, you are getting ranked at only 42% of your interviews!!!! You are spending $ for the flights, hotel, travel expenses at the other ~60% of your interviews to get a 0% mathematical chance at those programs on match day. You could have 14-15 interviews and still be "drawing dead" on match day, so throw away the "magic number" idea. Programs get away with not ranking all their interviewees & have no post-match open positions b/c there are 2 times as many interviewees than spots available. What you are really aiming for is to GET ranked by at least 1 program, and have a 68% chance (243/356 applicants) of getting in that year. And you thought it was only jerks who didn't get ranked...
                                                     

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                                                      jpollei said:
                                                      Yes I am applying...just another number in the rat-race. The top 4 (of 80) at our school are all doing ortho, 6 of the top 8 or 9, etc. Guess we all felt coming in that we better do well in case this ended up being what we wanted to do.

                                                      I agree class standing is more important that GPA in many regards. That said, realizing that a 3.8 isn't the same at all programs (even if it's the top GPA at one place and not another), programs do put some stock in where you are applying from in determining what the GPA really may mean. Class standing help to equalize things out; but it isn't completely accurate to compare #1's from two diffferent schools independent of GPAs...this is where the whole issue of programs looking at the perceived strength of your dental school education arises from.

                                                      Wouldn't this be where board scores would settle the issue on strength of program? Both clinical and didactic board scores? I know that no one cares about clinical boards for residency programs but this would give a sense of across the board comparison.
                                                       

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                                                        esclavo said:
                                                        Wouldn't this be where board scores would settle the issue on strength of program? Both clinical and didactic board scores? I know that no one cares about clinical boards for residency programs but this would give a sense of across the board comparison.

                                                        Maybe. Consider this, though. Three individuals at my last interview, all from the same program, had 99's; however, their school also happens to not give letter grades. I've been told by multiple program directors they feel that applicants such as these--though obviously very accomplished on boards--can't be evaluated only on boards in comparison with students from other programs because the curriculum format of that given program may allow students at that program to dedicate more time for studying for part I, and thus the better result.
                                                        Or, another scenario: one program may give students a month off before part I to study, where at other programs only a weekend is calendared in.
                                                        Don't misunderstand me...a 99 is awesome regardless of where you go (and a lot better than I did)! :) Boards are used as a good comparison overall, but aren't always ablt to be taken simple at numeric value.
                                                         

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                                                          if your last interview was at unc i am assuming you are refering to ucla students. unbelievable they have 30 applying. every interview i went to there was someone from ucla there.....all really friendly people. i can see how what you are saying is true though and have heard the same thing.......then again if they did rank, there is no way 30 people would be applying and it has to work out well for someone who will match who may not have ranked high in their class if they did rank, so i don't feel too bad for them.


                                                          jpollei said:
                                                          Maybe. Consider this, though. Three individuals at my last interview, all from the same program, had 99's; however, their school also happens to not give letter grades. I've been told by multiple program directors they feel that applicants such as these--though obviously very accomplished on boards--can't be evaluated only on boards in comparison with students from other programs because the curriculum format of that given program may allow students at that program to dedicate more time for studying for part I, and thus the better result.
                                                          Or, another scenario: one program may give students a month off before part I to study, where at other programs only a weekend is calendared in.
                                                          Don't misunderstand me...a 99 is awesome regardless of where you go (and a lot better than I did)! :) Boards are used as a good comparison overall, but aren't always ablt to be taken simple at numeric value.
                                                           

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                                                            The whole "what the patient doesn't know won't hurt them" philosophy is wrong on several levels.

                                                            Only if what the patient doesn't know indeed has the ability to hurt them. Patients don't know jack-diddly (for the most part) about graduate education, or doctoral education, or residencies, or specialties.
                                                             

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                                                              What do you guys think about 2 years ortho program vs the three years program. any thing besides the fact you get to finish your cases. If you have a choice would you choose a 2yr or a 3yr program and why?. Thank you
                                                               

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                                                                I would choose 3 year program only because this is the world-wide trend in orthodontic training. For instance, in Europe they would only recognize your specialty orthodontic training if it was 36 months. But if you aren't too fussed about Europe or the rest of the world, then 24 months should be fine (besides the fact that you get to finish and recall your completed cases).
                                                                 

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                                                                  A 30 mo program is ideal giving you time to finish as many cases as possible. 36 mo seems a bit overkill. IMO a lot of it depends on how many days you're in clinic. Of the programs I visited the range was from 5 half days to 10 half days in clinic. With that in mind you should really evaluate each program independently. How many months, how much actual clinic time, numbers of patients, numbers of faculty, bracket systems, surgical cases, etc, etc, etc. And perhaps most importantly, how happy/satisfied the residents seem to be. On the interview circuit, I've heard stories of some pretty frustrated residents.

                                                                  Getting back to your question though, most of the residents I talked to in 3 yr programs seemed to thing the extra time was a benefit. Most of the residents in 2 yr programs seem to think extra time is unnecessary. Go figure.
                                                                   

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                                                                    DDSSlave said:
                                                                    A 30 mo program is ideal giving you time to finish as many cases as possible. 36 mo seems a bit overkill. IMO a lot of it depends on how many days you're in clinic. Of the programs I visited the range was from 5 half days to 10 half days in clinic. With that in mind you should really evaluate each program independently. How many months, how much actual clinic time, numbers of patients, numbers of faculty, bracket systems, surgical cases, etc, etc, etc. And perhaps most importantly, how happy/satisfied the residents seem to be. On the interview circuit, I've heard stories of some pretty frustrated residents.

                                                                    Getting back to your question though, most of the residents I talked to in 3 yr programs seemed to thing the extra time was a benefit. Most of the residents in 2 yr programs seem to think extra time is unnecessary. Go figure.

                                                                    Agreed completely.
                                                                     

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                                                                      drhobie7 said:
                                                                      Last count I heard was 39 applicants to ortho. Nearly half the class.

                                                                      The number applying isn't so interesting as how many actually attended several interviews (i.e. the number you might consider "competetive")--a number which I don't know. That said, I saw the same 7 or 8 UCLA faces over and over at interviews...
                                                                       

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                                                                        :confused: I didn't get any interview and received only 4 rejection letter out of 24 uni. I applied. I dont know what should I do regarding MATCH. When I called MATCH people, they told me to withdraw from MATCH if I am not going to submitt rank order list. Please suggest me what should I do and is there any chance/hope left for getting interviews?
                                                                         

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                                                                          Nina2003 said:
                                                                          What do you guys think about 2 years ortho program vs the three years program. any thing besides the fact you get to finish your cases. If you have a choice would you choose a 2yr or a 3yr program and why?. Thank you

                                                                          I would definitely prefer 3 yr program. I have already completed post graduation in India and the program was only for 2 yrs.

                                                                          Adv. of 2 yr program:
                                                                          1. save yr money
                                                                          2. start earning earlier

                                                                          Disadv. of 2 yr program:
                                                                          1. Ortho theory is really vast so didn't get chance to read everything in detail.
                                                                          2. If you are thinking to do research/Dissertation on clinical topic, 2 yrs is not sufficient time.
                                                                          3. Finishing cases in 2 yrs is very difficult.

                                                                          My opinion is completely based on my post graduation in India. Honestly I don't know about here.
                                                                           
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