Interviews Three, A Doctor You'll Be?

  • Yes, I had three interviews (or fewer) and received an offer of admission (MD or DO)

    Votes: 160 38.6%
  • No, I had three interviews or more but received no offer of admission, even from the waitlist

    Votes: 29 7.0%
  • I had two interviews or fewer and received no offer of admission, even from the waitlist

    Votes: 29 7.0%
  • I had far more than three interviews and received at least one offer of admission.

    Votes: 197 47.5%

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It's an old saying. Does it hold up in the twenty-first century? Please respond to the poll only if you were a first time applicant in the cycle that ended with matriculation in 2016.
 
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Answer the poll and leave a comment about how many interviews you attended before you received your first offer, regardless of how many interviews you eventually attended.
 

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I attended 4 interviews and didn't get accepted anywhere despite being on three wait lists. Should I assume I suck at interviews?
 
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I attended 4 interviews and didn't get accepted anywhere despite being on three wait lists. Should I assume I suck at interviews?
If you really sucked at interviewing, you'd have been turned down rather than waitlisted. Unless you are related to a VIP that no one wants to offend, it is most likely that you are second string when only the first string is able to take the field. I hope you have upped your game for this new cycle and you go on to victory!
 

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I'm assuming this poll is MD only? For my MD cycle, I went on 5 MD interviews before my first acceptance. Not sure if it's important though, but 2 of the schools specifically said they weren't giving a response until the new year, which was after I had gotten my first acceptance in December. I did, however, get an acceptance out of 1/2 of those schools in January.
 
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While 3 interviews being the median for successful applicants, it varies widely
https://www.aamc.org/download/450608/data/msq2015report.pdf (p26)
2015 Matriculating Student Questionnaire (MSQ)
(https://www.aamc.org/data/msq/)

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But this tells us only of matriculants... What is the median number of interviews for those who got no acceptances... I would bet the median is zero or one with a long right tail.

It would also be fun to know how many applicants eventually got admitted to the first (or only) place they interviewed, how many were admitted to the second but not the first, the third but not the first two and so forth... how many interviews were needed to garner an acceptance?
 

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I'm assuming this poll is MD only? For my MD cycle, I went on 5 MD interviews before my first acceptance. Not sure if it's important though, but 2 of the schools specifically said they weren't giving a response until the new year, which was after I had gotten my first acceptance in December. I did, however, get an acceptance out of 1/2 of those schools in January.
I believe it would be for MD and DO as per the first question in the poll. Grats on your acceptances.
 

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^ jealous of that 1.4% that miraculously got accepted without a SINGLE interview invite ;)
that is about 170 people or, extrapolating to the whole applicant pool about 280. I wonder if that is mostly BS/MD joint programs?
 
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But this tells us only of matriculants... What is the median number of interviews for those who got no acceptances... I would bet the median is zero or one with a long right tail.

It would also be fun to know how many applicants eventually got admitted to the first (or only) place they interviewed, how many were admitted to the second but not the first, the third but not the first two and so forth... how many interviews were needed to garner an acceptance?
I vaguely remember this being discussed years ago (10-15+) as something AAMC should track along with application statuses (complete, review, II, WL, etc) which got alot of resistance from the schools. Partly for the extra work, partly because it was seen as AMCAS trying to control the whole automation/processing of applications (and charging more), and fears of a TMDSAS matching-style system.

But I would think that the order of interviews is more likely due to school processing, scheduling, and academic culture/mission differences than the application per se. I think it would most interesting to find the ones with 3-4 interviews plus and didnt get it. Those are the ones I would want to do a survey of. Likely I couldnt get a random sample so perhaps and ethnography style study would be better.
 

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My first time around in the 2014-2015 cycle, I received 3 interviews and was waitlisted with 2 and medically disqualified from the third.
 

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I had 4 interviews. I received my first acceptance in December from a mid-October interview date. I ultimately walked away with 2 acceptances.
 
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Wow at nearly 50% of respondents saying "Yes, I had three interviews (or fewer) and received an offer of admission (MD or DO)"

Also, why do we still have separate pre-allo and pre-osteo forums? It's stupid to separate the two forums and then make topics that include both MD and DO schools. Why not just unify them?
 

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Because they have two separate applications not to mention some fundamental differences in pedagogy.
Ok then why include MD & DO in the poll option?
 
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I had 6 interviews with 2 acceptances, so maybe there is a linear relationship between interviews and acceptances with a scaling factor of 0.33
 

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@LizzyM @gonnif @Goro @gyngyn @Catalystik

What is the ratio of applicants to matriculants? Is it usually greater than 1? What about after April 30 deadline?
Ratio of applicants to matriculants at my school is >20:1. Ratio of interviewees to offers is about 2:1 (half of those who interview get an offer).
 
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It would also be interesting to dive deeper and look at state residency. Look at how interviews to acceptances is different among different states.
 

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At my school
We get ~6000 apps
We interview ~500
We accept ~250
We seat ~100.

From posts by my other Adcom colleagues on this site, the ratio of accepts to matriculants is ~3:1.

@LizzyM @gonnif @Goro @gyngyn @Catalystik

What is the ratio of accepted applicants to matriculants? Is it usually greater than 1? What about after April 30 deadline?

I think my learned colleague meant "if you get an offer to DO or MD, a doctor you'll be!"

OR

"if you get an offer to MD or DO, into Medicine you go!"
 

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Ratio of applicants to matriculants at my school is >20:1. Ratio of interviewees to offers is about 2:1 (half of those who interview get an offer).
My bad accidentally forgot the accepted part

Is accepted:matriculant ratio > 1 even after Apr 30 deadline? So are underenrolled schools basically rare?
 

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My bad accidentally forgot the accepted part

Is accepted:matriculant ratio > 1 even after Apr 30 deadline? So are underenrolled schools basically rare?
I don't know how each school does it. Some may be generous with the offers pre-Apr 30 and do a lot of praying that they don't end up over enrolled. Others may be stingy with the offers and depend on their high desirability and the waitlist to fill the class. I think that it varies by school.
 
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8 interviews: 6 acceptances, 2 waitlist - one which was "good waitlist" (historically clears, withdrew) another normal (clearly a rejection seeing how it's August).

Schools varied from MMI to traditional.
 

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I don't know how each school does it. Some may be generous with the offers pre-Apr 30 and do a lot of praying that they don't end up over enrolled. Others may be stingy with the offers and depend on their high desirability and the waitlist to fill the class. I think that it varies by school.
Out of curiosity, why is April 30th the deadline for generosity? Is it just a marker as being late in the cycle?


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Three interviews (invited and attended all I was invited to) and three acceptances. Accepted October 15th to my first interviewed school while attending my second interview, which was my first choice (and where I ended up). Needless to say, I'll never forget the emotions of that day, and the concentration it took to not start jumping around and screaming at lunch out of respect to other interviewees.
 
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5 interviews, 4 interviews. The one I didn't get was my first one. I could tell it was rough and bought a book on med interviews after that!
 

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5 interviews, 4 interviews. The one I didn't get was my first one. I could tell it was rough and bought a book on med interviews after that!
This thread is just full of typos lol
 

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Out of curiosity, why is April 30th the deadline for generosity? Is it just a marker as being late in the cycle?
its AMCAS decision date where applicants holding multiple acceptances must withdraw from all but 1 acceptance
 
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3 II total -- 2 interviews attended. 2 acceptances. Accepted to first school before second and third IIs.
 

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^ jealous of that 1.4% that miraculously got accepted without a SINGLE interview invite ;)
that is about 170 people or, extrapolating to the whole applicant pool about 280. I wonder if that is mostly BS/MD joint programs?
Prior to the 2015-16 cycle, MSU COM did not interview applicants. That could be where that number comes from.

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I just realized that those stats are probably only from MD matriculants in which case BS/MD programs make the most sense.
 
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I think my learned colleague meant "if you get an offer to DO or MD, a doctor you'll be!"

OR

"if you get an offer to MD or DO, into Medicine you go!"
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You're a poet and you don't know it,
Your toes are Long fellows.
 

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You're a poet and you don't know it,
Your toes are Long fellows.
The way i always heard it was

You're a poet
and you dont even know it
and your feet dont show it
'cause they're Longfellows
 
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Judging by SDN I'd always thought it was something like "interviews nine, you're really just borderline"
I think the truth is you'll never feel secure about your chances of admission until you're actually holding the acceptance in your hand. Even though statistically I was more likely to get an acceptance than not, it didn't mitigate the feeling deep inside that I wouldn't get in anywhere. It's not something that can be assuaged with facts and logic IMO.
 

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I think the truth is you'll never feel secure about your chances of admission until you're actually holding the acceptance in your hand. Even though statistically I was more likely to get an acceptance than not, it didn't mitigate the feeling deep inside that I wouldn't get in anywhere. It's not something that can be assuaged with facts and logic IMO.
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