Is a PharmD still considered a doctor?

[DagS132]

going to get a lot of eye rolls

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[ChicPharmDee]

Do you work in a hospital? I guarantee if you insist on calling yourself doctor, the nurses, physicians, and PAs will say "oh so you're not a real doctor".

It's sad how you all look into this just to downplay pharmacists in attempt to keep some sort of hierarchy. Pharmacists are real doctors, beloved! Stop trying to say otherwise. The title is applicable in real-life settings too such as social events and more.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

Sounds like you'll be very happy because you'll be doing it every day...if you can find a job when you are done with school. And I don't care if someone calls me by my name or Doctor. I get paid the same either way.

Thank you! You sound upset over an opinion and my personal preference—A title I worked hard for. Lmfao. I will find a job when I am through with school. Your unfortunate story is not mine.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

I feel I should have a input here chic, no one in my class of LIU which happens to be the school you are going to refer themselves as Doctors, your professor Gonzalez will tell you the same thing. And he is the one in the broad of pharmacy and does compounding.
I happen to be your alumni if you are going to LIU. no one in the school has the ambition to be a doctor. And now Im working with people who make more than Doctors and the title is useless to them.There are so many vice presidents in banks, executive chefs and executive sales managers, its titles inflation. I like young people, you guys have dreams,when you get the PharmD it wont matter anymore. Are you African or carribean?My class didnt have any African american at all. I know its a big deal for you. but get into practice and it wont matter. your professors in pharmacy also do not want to be addressed as doctor. I only save someones life because I carry first aid,epipen, nsaids,antiobiotics with mewhen I travel. If the announcment says there are no doctors, I go up and help

First. Stop generalizing LIU. My class is not the same as yours... My dreams are not the same as yours. And my life is not the same as yours.

Second. "My class didn't have any African American at all. I know its a big deal for you." Race has absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm proud of my skin color and where I come from, but I can be White, Black or Asian and I still will be saying the same thing. It is unfortunate that you had to bring it up to prove whatever point you attempted to make. It shows your character and racial beliefs. You hate to see it. I'm glad you saved a life, though. Those Doctor of Pharmacy-leveled skills sure came into handy!

 

[Lubeckd]

you are too much. Young people do dream too much. first you haven't even started the school and you are already thinking you have it, 2nd you don't practice as a pharmacist. Which is why I said you will need time to figure it out. 3rd I graduated a few years ago, the curriculum didn't change much, nor do the amount of students coming in for the wrong reason. 4th you will find out very soon through your classmates and professors what they want. And Professor Gonzalez is very respectful and does not believe the title is appropriate. You will find that soon even if you do residency. You are right, my dreams isn't just to provide for my family its to go beyond Pharmacy and go into finance and tech which I am happily doing now. and lastly you are attaching way too much ego into a title, which I said title inflation

The era of title inflation is upon us

When creating a new position, my management team spends a lot of time thinking about the position, the responsibilities and expectations. We turn these thoughts into a clear and detailed job description and then at the very end tag it with an appropriate title.

www.linkedin.com

When you go into retail or hospital no one would refer to you as that. I think you are just young though, don't give up your dreams. Im just asking the question because you attach way too much importance to the title, which means it very important to you. You will also find lifestyle inflation coming up to you once you get the degree which I stated. Meaning you would want more money, once you earn the Pharmd you become the real thing. No need to fake it anymore, which means the title is less important. Its kind of like earning your bachelors and not really caring about it. Like I earned my finance degree, at first I was excited, then now Im not. Even the FRM was first exciting, now its not. As for Africian American, I rather not defend myself, lets just say I study with that group and they happen to be my best friends and Africian/Carribean very humble people and one of the smartest in my class with no ego attached. I find you very different. I happen to be Asian American, so I know Im very different from Asians from mainland China. Like whites are different from Europeans, whereas in Europe they care less about money and title. Maybe this is a American thing. IF you are the first African American in the class, Congrats, the class tends to be 90% permanent residents, 5% Americans and 5% international students. Find some friends and study together. Believe what you will. I don't think you really care I saved a life. If half of my class cared about it they would be inventing some new meds or something. Its you using me as a medium to express how valuable the degree really is (who is placing the collective now? placing your accomplishment into me when you didn't do it yourself) this is how nationalism starts where people take credit for something they didn't personally do. Like America is the greatest because of the scientist, or through race. Which has nothing to do with that person individually. If Professor Cutie invents the Asthma aerosol pathway do I get credit for it because he is a pharmacist and I am? No. FYI a person who carries these meds can do it or a Nurse without a Doctorate. Your old timer professors knows the pharmd isn't a important degree. I could had done it with a B.S Pharm

You really need time to listen to the lectures. Im not trolling like you, good luck though. The professors are really good and know their stuff.

Oh P.S I travel to 42 countries in the world, and plan to be a diplomat one day. I know several languages including German, French, Spanish and Chinese. I also ate so many ethnic cuisines in nyc and know so many different cultures. I happen to be going to West Africa, South Africa, East and reunion very soon. Don't project your own insecurity onto me, Im genuinely curious on why Americans are so confident and over the top with themselves about titles,

 

[Lubeckd]

Thank you! You sound upset over an opinion and my personal preference—A title I worked hard for. Lmfao. I will find a job when I am through with school. Your unfortunate story is not mine.

you don't want to know the unemployment rates... but really do you, I think you believe in something way too much. If you need help to navigate the class, give me a message. Ill try and help you out. No Im not trolling. Its a good quality you have, because you are still young and dream. Old people don't anymore
Edit: never mind there is no helping lost causes. Ignored

 

[mentos]

It's sad how you all look into this just to downplay pharmacists in attempt to keep some sort of hierarchy. Pharmacists are real doctors, beloved! Stop trying to say otherwise. The title is applicable in real-life settings too such as social events and more.

I'm not downplaying the profession. If you insist that people call yourself doctor while working as a staff pharmacist in a hospital, it will cause problems.

First, your director of pharmacy does not refer to him/herself as doctor. If you're a new grad and make your director address you as doctor, well good luck making it past your 90 day orientation period. Have fun battling egos with your immediate supervisor.

Second, if a patient says "doctor X" told me this or that, then the entire medical staff WILL scramble to find out who this mysterious physician is that they've never heard of. It happened in the hospital where I work, a "doctor" gave a patient instructions and the physicians, nurses and PAs couldn't figure out who this new doctor was. Finally they found out it was a PT who called herself doctor, and everyone's response was - you guessed it "oh so you're not a real doctor?"

 

[BC_89]

This post took an interesting turn. I'll put in a more elaborated response than what I did a few months back:

Yes, any doctorate holder can be called a Dr. I stand by the point that unless it is in a specific academic setting after working 3 decades in the field, I would never address myself as Doctor to patients. I'll put my own reasonings down as bullet points that many on here has touched on one way or another:

1) An "unbalanced" weight of authority

Here's what I mean: When I graduate with a PharmD and work in an outpatient hospital setting, would I tell the pharmacist that is training me on my first day to call me doctor because I got a PharmD while he/she only has a B.S. Pharm degree from 1993? I don't know about anyone else, but that would not only seem unprofessional on my part, but demeaning in the fact that by requesting the title, I now by entitlement encroached the idea for my peers to look up to me and my recent degree while I look down at everyone else. Even worse if I requested a patient to do so in front of my new staff.

2) Misguidance

When I worked inpatient, I once in awhile had the opportunity to play "secretary" and give a budget report to a committee once a month that also rounded with other health professions. I remember I had to write up an MFR (witness report of a near miss or incorrect medication given to patient(s)) because a person was confused by what their doctors (yes plural) had told them. The patient brought in a vial of their previous medication (Ambien). Apparently, after meeting with their physician, a clinical pharmacist instructed the patient to follow the regimen on the "label" they brought in. When the patient went to the outpatient window, a second pharmacist found out that the patient was told 2 separate directions for their insomnia: The outpatient pharmacist called their doctor questioning what the patient was told. With high alert, the doctor was wondering who this "other" doctor was that talked with the patient to stick with the original regimen. Turns out the young pharmacist referred to the patient as "Doctor" and had no idea that the provider changed this individuals directions with Ambien and thought the bottle that was brought in was the same directions for their new medication. Patient didn't say anything because "Doctors" know best and this second "doctor" was a Specialist....Patient safety Is in jeopardy due to title ownership....

3) Population Scrutiny

This is very similar to #2 but not on the healthcare side of confusion and one patient, but the general population. Prime example: Do you call your attorney Dr.? How about on the stand in a court room? Better yet, what will the jury think if YOU are the attorney and you keep telling your witnesses to call you doctor and correct them because you earned the title? Public scrutiny may have cost you and your clients case...

That's a bit of an extreme example so let's use the story on an airplane. Flight attendant calls out if theirs a doctor on the plane and you get ready to stand up. Problem is so does someone else. a surgeon to be exact. When the flight attendant asks both of you if you are doctors, what is your response? Do you have to explain what "type" of doctor you are or will you say yes? If you justify your own reason and not the underwritten meaning of what the flight attendant really was saying, people on board are going to scrutinize your way of thinking. I mean, a mans life is at jeopardy but instead of being trained to diagnose, at least you know if his medications have a bad therapeutic effect right?

So again, if you want to tell your close friends and family your a doctor, that's fine. If you ever teach I still say that's fine. For the sake of a patients health and not miscommunicating the fact that you cannot diagnose and try to use the "title" in that type of setting. I say no.

TLDR; don't call yourself a doctor in front of patients.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

you don't want to know the unemployment rates... but really do you, I think you believe in something way too much. If you need help to navigate the class, give me a message. Ill try and help you out. No Im not trolling. Its a good quality you have, because you are still young and dream. Old people don't anymore
Edit: never mind there is no helping lost causes. Ignored

Thank you for your think piece.

Edit: You've been ignored as well.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

This post took an interesting turn. I'll put in a more elaborated response than what I did a few months back:

Yes, any doctorate holder can be called a Dr. I stand by the point that unless it is in a specific academic setting after working 3 decades in the field, I would never address myself as Doctor to patients. I'll put my own reasonings down as bullet points that many on here has touched on one way or another:

1) An "unbalanced" weight of authority

Here's what I mean: When I graduate with a PharmD and work in an outpatient hospital setting, would I tell the pharmacist that is training me on my first day to call me doctor because I got a PharmD while he/she only has a B.S. Pharm degree from 1993? I don't know about anyone else, but that would not only seem unprofessional on my part, but demeaning in the fact that by requesting the title, I now by entitlement encroached the idea for my peers to look up to me and my recent degree while I look down at everyone else. Even worse if I requested a patient to do so in front of my new staff.

2) Misguidance

When I worked inpatient, I once in awhile had the opportunity to play "secretary" and give a budget report to a committee once a month that also rounded with other health professions. I remember I had to write up an MFR (witness report of a near miss or incorrect medication given to patient(s)) because a person was confused by what their doctors (yes plural) had told them. The patient brought in a vial of their previous medication (Ambien). Apparently, after meeting with their physician, a clinical pharmacist instructed the patient to follow the regimen on the "label" they brought in. When the patient went to the outpatient window, a second pharmacist found out that the patient was told 2 separate directions for their insomnia: The outpatient pharmacist called their doctor questioning what the patient was told. With high alert, the doctor was wondering who this "other" doctor was that talked with the patient to stick with the original regimen. Turns out the young pharmacist referred to the patient as "Doctor" and had no idea that the provider changed this individuals directions with Ambien and thought the bottle that was brought in was the same directions for their new medication. Patient didn't say anything because "Doctors" know best and this second "doctor" was a Specialist....Patient safety Is in jeopardy due to title ownership....

3) Population Scrutiny

This is very similar to #2 but not on the healthcare side of confusion and one patient, but the general population. Prime example: Do you call your attorney Dr.? How about on the stand in a court room? Better yet, what will the jury think if YOU are the attorney and you keep telling your witnesses to call you doctor and correct them because you earned the title? Public scrutiny may have cost you and your clients case...

That's a bit of an extreme example so let's use the story on an airplane. Flight attendant calls out if theirs a doctor on the plane and you get ready to stand up. Problem is so does someone else. a surgeon to be exact. When the flight attendant asks both of you if you are doctors, what is your response? Do you have to explain what "type" of doctor you are or will you say yes? If you justify your own reason and not the underwritten meaning of what the flight attendant really was saying, people on board are going to scrutinize your way of thinking. I mean, a mans life is at jeopardy but instead of being trained to diagnose, at least you know if his medications have a bad therapeutic effect right?

So again, if you want to tell your close friends and family your a doctor, that's fine. If you ever teach I still say that's fine. For the sake of a patients health and not miscommunicating the fact that you cannot diagnose and try to use the "title" in that type of setting. I say no.

TLDR; don't call yourself a doctor in front of patients.

I have read your share to this conversation and you've made some good points... in about .75/3 of the entire analysis. I'm not trolling as others say I might be, but I see that you live on other threads and I already know that you're exactly like Luke, so whatever response I gave to him, I'm giving to you.

Appreciate the insight!

 

[Lubeckd]

You’re a pharmacist, not a physician: Get your own title

Physicians have been called "Doc" for so long that the terms are essentially identical. Why not designate pharmacists by a separate and distinct title?

www.drugtopics.com

no worries, just blast them for Doctor Quakery

When Can Pharmacists Use the Doctor Title?

Many patients wouldn't question the use of doctor" when addressing physicians, dentists, or even optometrists, but the title likely seems foreign when addressing pharmacists, physical therapists, and nurse practitioners.

www.pharmacytimes.com

Why don't you guys just ban the troll? they have some delusion of grandeur

Delusions of Grandeur: How to Spot Them

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Any delusion has four main characteristics:

1. The person having the belief believes it to be true, even when the existing norm and other people know it to be untrue.
2. The person having the delusion will not listen to any other viewpoints about the belief and will not consider change when evidence challenges the delusion.
3. The content of the delusion is impossible or implausible.
4. The delusion impacts the person’s daily life

quick bring in a doctor and a DSM

Why losers have delusions of grandeur

Charles Darwin observed that “ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” That was certainly true on the day in 1995 when a man named McArthur Wheeler boldly robbed two banks …

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very upset at my former alumni for accepting anyone these days. You deal with these patients all the time at the pharmacy

So how do we communicate that without trying to hijack the prestige earned by members of another profession?
cause that's what she is doing, hacking into someones else prestige that isn't hers, or she didn't earn yet

I still won't call anyone with a Pharmd a doctor =p

 

[percyeye]

One of my favorites on SDN is when pre-whatever or early students try to tell it like it is.

 

[Lubeckd]

One of my favorites on SDN is when pre-whatever or early students try to tell it like it is.

quick someone bring a actual doctor from the MD forums to lecture

 

[Sine Cura]

You guys are quick to label people trolls but people like modestanteater legitimately think these things and do not face social opprobrium because people are generally ******* in real life and avoid conflict.

That's the actual annoying part.

 

[Lubeckd]

You guys are quick to label people trolls but people like modestanteater legitimately think these things and do not face social opprobrium because people are generally ******* in real life and avoid conflict.

That's the actual annoying part.

I think one guy posted about unemployment and got banned. Anyways the girl is in for a rude awakening in the nyc market

 

[BC_89]

I have read your share to this conversation and you've made some good points... in about .75/3 of the entire analysis. I'm not trolling as others say I might be, but I see that you live on other threads and I already know that you're exactly like Luke, so whatever response I gave to him, I'm giving to you.

Appreciate the insight!

1) I'm curious, what specifics about my analysis you don't find as good points? Presuming you only find 1/4 of it valid or true.

2) Who's luke? You mean Lubeckd? Perhaps same ideology, but my path to my career choice is not the same as anyone on here. Thus, I don't agree with many future colleagues on some topics, but this one is no argument for the sake of patient safety.

And I will happily be correcting the people who refuse to call me by the title I worked so hard to obtain.

To the same token, I would prefer to happily correct the people who refer to me as "doctor" to call me their pharmacist instead (or to clarify that "I'm Dr. ABC your clinical pharmacist").

To each their own. If you want to say Dr, be sure to mention you being a pharmacist in the same sentence.

 

[siliso]

I call my clinical pharmacist colleagues “Dr. X our pharmacist” to the patients and in official correspondence, if that matters to you. Among colleagues we use first names including for me. With the patients they tend to use first names but that’s personal choice.

 

[mentos]

One of my favorites on SDN is when pre-whatever or early students try to tell it like it is.

Yup they know way more than working professionals and they are guaranteed a job over the other 15k graduates per year cause they're better than everyone AND we will be corrected when we don't address them as doctor!

 

[Lubeckd]

Yup they know way more than working professionals and they are guaranteed a job over the other 15k graduates per year cause they're better than everyone AND we will be corrected when we don't address them as doctor!

They will become us very soon ahhahaha. This is NYC for you, you tell patient it's red and they say it's blue with aggressive behavior

 

[Lubeckd]

Can't wait until these kids get a lawsuit in their hand

 

[Lubeckd]

Also someone will clear up these questions during ethnics class. Pre pharms who didn't take a lick of class telling everyone like it is. Why I love my NYC patients. They think they are special compare to 15,000 other doctors ahahah

 

[PharmtoCS]

Also someone will clear up these questions during ethnics class. Pre pharms who didn't take a lick of class telling everyone like it is. Why I love my NYC patients. They think they are special compare to 15,000 other doctors ahahah

They've been rewarded with too many participation trophies and now pharmacy school acceptances for just showing up. They have never held real world responsibilities and faced real world challenges where there is punishment without actual wrongdoing, hard work and risk without reward.

 

[Lubeckd]

They've been rewarded with too many participation trophies and now pharmacy school acceptances for just showing up. They have never held real world responsibilities and faced real world challenges where there is punishment without actual wrongdoing, hard work and risk without reward.

no conflict resolutions, eq. going to have a hard time working for someone

 

[ChicPharmDee]

I think one guy posted about unemployment and got banned. Anyways the girl is in for a rude awakening in the nyc market

Never. Enjoy finding a way out of your nightmare, though.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

All I see are a bunch of old guys—or gals—trying to discourage an ambitious student. Must suck to be where you guys are at. I don’t know when or where each of you guys took wrong turns but it’s got you all traumatized and/or, in modern slang, shook. That’s YOUR story. Not mine.

I’m definitely not a troll, though. You’ve got the wrong site—This isn’t Twitter. I had my fun on this thread, anyways. I said what I said. May God bless each and every one of you and may He also grant you all positivity because it is needed.

 

[DagS132]

There are too many insults being hurled back and forth that I feel like the objective statements are now interpreted purely as discouragement. I hope everyone who is pursuing this career has actually researched this field and have not been just talking to other pre pharm student pumping each other up.
For the most part, from my experience, pre pharm students are aware of the situation and just hope that what pharmacists are saying aren't true or won't happen to them.
Good luck to every pre pharm student here and I hope you all find success in this career.

 

[PharmtoCS]

That’s YOUR story. Not mine.

That’s the story of most pre-pharms, actually.

Deny saturation, or deny that they themselves will be affected by saturation -> graduate with $200k+ in loans -> realize that the world and job market isn’t quite what they thought it would be -> forced to settle for $40/hour, 30 hours per week in retail (where they said they will never work) in the middle of nowhere

It’s a tale as old as time.

 

[BC_89]

Many reports are coming from this and while peoples opinions are highly valuable, "stop" getting offended if people offer differing views.

Keep it professional, I actually enjoyed how this topic was being proceeded with interesting and differing points. Block each other and move on.

 

[Lubeckd]

Many reports are coming from this and while peoples opinions are highly valuable, "stop" getting offended if people offer differing views.

Keep it professional, I actually enjoyed how this topic was being proceeded with interesting and differing points. Block each other and move on.

Already blocked ahahha.

 

[Sine Cura]

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting. "

I mean telling other people to "get a life" while also ****posting on internet forums then getting BTFO. Just ****ing LOL

 

[Lubeckd]

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting. "

I mean telling other people to "get a life" while also ****posting on internet forums then getting BTFO. Just ****ing LOL

mindfulness is missing. Thanks for the article

 

[PharmtoCS]

All I see are a bunch of old guys—or gals—trying to discourage an ambitious student. Must suck to be where you guys are at. I don’t know when or where each of you guys took wrong turns but it’s got you all traumatized and/or, in modern slang, shook. That’s YOUR story. Not mine.

I’m definitely not a troll, though. You’ve got the wrong site—This isn’t Twitter. I had my fun on this thread, anyways. I said what I said. May God bless each and every one of you and may He also grant you all positivity because it is needed.

Better to get discouraged now than 4 years later when you're $200k+ in debt and struggling

 

[Lubeckd]

Better to get discouraged now than 4 years later when you're $200k+ in debt and struggling

when you work with data enough and you have to help your graduating class find jobs you know people will become unfrounate statistics. You can't beat the math, maybe science majors don't understand that enough.

Whats good is that she will realize one day.

 

[PharmtoCS]

Whats good is that she will realize one day.

It would still be too late. She would end up $200k+ in debt and be happy with a $40/hour job that requires her to work 3+ hours off the clock on the daily and cut corners on patient safety. This would then set the new normal for all pharmacists who would be held to the same expectation.

 

[mentos]

This thread seems to be in a different direction now and idk how I got here from the premed forums but it's super interesting and here's my 2 cents to bring it back a bit...

Growing up in a diff culture, all physicians, dentists, & pharmacists automatically = doctor (but it doesn't apply to phds, psychologists, etc).

You refer to them as this title and often do so in lieu of their names, even if you're family, you've been living in America for x decades, etc and not doing so is a sign of disrespect. It's archaic by our standards but it still maintains a very strong hold and many people don't even view much (if any) difference between the 3 in terms of prestige. It seems to be extremely different in the states, where no pharmacist (and not even many dentists) signs anything as Dr. _____. As already stated, it's effectively a meaningless title, but my personal opinion is if a phd does it (and many do lol), then a pharmacist who went through 4 years of clinical education sure as hell should get to

pharmD has only existed for 20 years, that is archaic?

I would love to see a new grad insist on being addressed as doctor to a well respected, experienced pharmacist with a lowly BS degree.

 

[BC_89]

All I see are a bunch of old guys—or gals—trying to discourage an ambitious student. Must suck to be where you guys are at. I don’t know when or where each of you guys took wrong turns but it’s got you all traumatized and/or, in modern slang, shook. That’s YOUR story. Not mine.

After reading up on some of the past comments on here, it sounds like you'r either in school or about to start classes. To that I say congrats.

I want to strongly encourage you about something when you post information on SDN. Despite your beliefs about pharmacy, one fact is true: Pharmacy is a small world. Whether you know it or not, networking is going to be the most important thing you do outside of not failing in school. Your expressions on here has burnt bridges with @Lubeckd who sounds like a person that would've been your #1 network alumnus from your program. Based on your description and school location, it is not very hard for advisors such as himself to know who the students are within your IPPE and APPE rotations and who they'd like to give recommendations to. He may even be one of those preceptors you will have to meet in order to pass your future rotations....

This isn't to scare you, but many people on here are admins, advisors, professors, and workers that could actually be the difference of you finding a "good job" and "losing a dream job." If your avatar is a pic of you, I encourage you to change it as well.

Best of luck in your schooling.

 

[mentos]

If your avatar is a pic of you, I encourage you to change it as well.

That's Rihanna dude.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

This thread seems to be in a different direction now and idk how I got here from the premed forums but it's super interesting and here's my 2 cents to bring it back a bit...

Growing up in a diff culture, all physicians, dentists, & pharmacists automatically = doctor (but it doesn't apply to phds, psychologists, etc).

You refer to them as this title and often do so in lieu of their names, even if you're family, you've been living in America for x decades, etc and not doing so is a sign of disrespect. It's archaic by our standards but it still maintains a very strong hold and many people don't even view much (if any) difference between the 3 in terms of prestige. It seems to be extremely different in the states, where no pharmacist (and not even many dentists) signs anything as Dr. _____. As already stated, it's effectively a meaningless title, but my personal opinion is if a phd does it (and many do lol), then a pharmacist who went through 4 years of clinical education sure as hell should get to

Thank you, @AShap.

I don’t know why all of them just disregard the title they worked hard to obtain. I discovered that that it’s their choice and their opinion. However, if someone else chooses to do so, it is also their choice as well. I’m not in the wrong here.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

After reading up on some of the past comments on here, it sounds like you'r either in school or about to start classes. To that I say congrats.

I want to strongly encourage you about something when you post information on SDN. Despite your beliefs about pharmacy, one fact is true: Pharmacy is a small world. Whether you know it or not, networking is going to be the most important thing you do outside of not failing in school. Your expressions on here has burnt bridges with @Lubeckd who sounds like a person that would've been your #1 network alumnus from your program. Based on your description and school location, it is not very hard for advisors such as himself to know who the students are within your IPPE and APPE rotations and who they'd like to give recommendations to. He may even be one of those preceptors you will have to meet in order to pass your future rotations....

This isn't to scare you, but many people on here are admins, advisors, professors, and workers that could actually be the difference of you finding a "good job" and "losing a dream job." If your avatar is a pic of you, I encourage you to change it as well.

Best of luck in your schooling.

“#1 network alumnus from your program...” I literally just laughed. I would never take advice from someone who thinks my race played a big part in my happiness and success. I will stray and burn down bridges based off of belief, and if I just did, then so be it. He tried to disrespect me and couldn’t handle a simple opinion.

You didn’t scare me one bit as intimidating as you attempted to sound.

 

[ChicPharmDee]

That's Rihanna dude.

Lmao. You’re hip! Yes, Rihanna—A Queen like me.

 

[Lubeckd]

After reading up on some of the past comments on here, it sounds like you'r either in school or about to start classes. To that I say congrats.

I want to strongly encourage you about something when you post information on SDN. Despite your beliefs about pharmacy, one fact is true: Pharmacy is a small world. Whether you know it or not, networking is going to be the most important thing you do outside of not failing in school. Your expressions on here has burnt bridges with @Lubeckd who sounds like a person that would've been your #1 network alumnus from your program. Based on your description and school location, it is not very hard for advisors such as himself to know who the students are within your IPPE and APPE rotations and who they'd like to give recommendations to. He may even be one of those preceptors you will have to meet in order to pass your future rotations....

This isn't to scare you, but many people on here are admins, advisors, professors, and workers that could actually be the difference of you finding a "good job" and "losing a dream job." If your avatar is a pic of you, I encourage you to change it as well.

Best of luck in your schooling.

BC its pointless to talk, she made up her mind. Im very sure school will straighten her out, she just needs time. When you becomes a pharmacist maybe that will humble her. Who knows, the good network like LIU can sort her out. Good people around her.

All I can say without people skills they will fail in customer service and rotations. life has a habit of repeating lessons.
Let her burn bridges, she will find the power of networking, but kids dont know it right now. Blacklist with ego

 

[Lubeckd]

oh yeah let them stay angry, still wont change the world or reality. I am quite happy right now~ and want it to be a nightmare so I can use my other backups
This isnt customer service where anger is used as a form of control toward others, her customers will use it against her. Especially when not filling fast around. battle of ego

 

[siliso]

I’ll make one observation for what it’s worth: sometimes I’m admitting patients and I always greet them “Hi Mr/Ms Lastname, I’m Dr. X and I’ll be getting you admitted into the hospital.” On occasion they’ve corrected me “It’s Dr. Lastname.” Fine, I’m happy to call them that. However these people have without exception been veterinarians or dentists or DCs or whatever else, never MDs or DOs who don’t object to Mr/Ms Lastname when they’re the patient. It makes it seem like it must be an insecurity issue

 

[BC_89]

I will stray and burn down bridges based off of belief, and if I just did, then so be it. He tried to disrespect me and couldn’t handle a simple opinion.

You didn’t scare me one bit as intimidating as you attempted to sound.

No one is attempting to scare anyone. Just another perspective to keep in mind when you journey down this profession. No matter how right or wrong someone is, keep your discipline in check even if you feel others don't.

With that, for everyone else I stand by what I say: I wont correct someone to call me Dr. I'll only correct them on their medication therapeutics

 

[Rybko90]

I would never call myself a doctor as a pharmacist.
Yes, your degree is technically a "doctorate," for whatever that's worth.
NO, you are not a doctor. LOL.

And I will happily be correcting the people who refuse to call me by the title I worked so hard to obtain. Aren't you an "Optometrist"? Go find your niche.

I can already see it... You might be unemployed or making $30 an hour, but at least you'll be a "doctor!"

 

[tylenolnumber3]

Think about this. What other doctorate degree can you get in without doing any coursework at a college or university? I just went to a white coat ceremony and 1/5 of the class admitted only attended two years at community college. Let that sink in.

 

[PharmtoCS]

The only thing "doctorate" about being a pharmacist is your $200k+ student loan balance that comes with it.

 

[mentos]

Think about this. What other doctorate degree can you get in without doing any coursework at a college or university? I just went to a white coat ceremony and 1/5 of the class admitted only attended two years at community college. Let that sink in.

But they worked so hard for their title!

 

[ChicPharmDee]

I would never call myself a doctor as a pharmacist.
Yes, your degree is technically a "doctorate," for whatever that's worth.
NO, you are not a doctor. LOL.


I can already see it... You might be unemployed or making $30 an hour, but at least you'll be a "doctor!"

“Your degree is technically a doctorate... No, you’re not a doctor.” Do you hear yourself? Read what you typed. LOL. The contradictions.

I can already see it... You’re upset with your life. Sorry, I won’t be and will still be a doctor!

 

[ChicPharmDee]

But they worked so hard for their title!

Lol. Two years at a community college =/= Incompetence.

They still worked for it. Maybe they were smart in navigating through their schooling and you weren’t.