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I see a lot of people here complaining that medical school is worse than death. It's very disheartening and unmotivating. Is medical school really hell on earth?
I see a lot of people here complaining that medical school is worse than death. It's very disheartening and unmotivating. Is medical school really hell on earth?
This. Studying is awesome compared to the drudgery of real professional jobs. I dont have to take **** from a boss, or work an endless amount of hours, or attend never ending meetings trying not bruise ego's of people above me in the food chain. I get to learn about the human body, make connections that I never knew existed and interact with my peers who are also excellent driven people.I'm only M3, but thus far I've worked significantly less than I did in my previous career. Sometimes it can be annoying when it's beautiful outside and you're stuck studying, but I suspect most people that find med school overwhelming also never held a real job before. Med school is exponentially worse than undergrad, but still pretty awesome compared to most jobs.
"Medical school took me to my intellectual limits"I see a lot of people here complaining that medical school is worse than death. It's very disheartening and unmotivating. Is medical school really hell on earth?
I'm only M3, but thus far I've worked significantly less than I did in my previous career. Sometimes it can be annoying when it's beautiful outside and you're stuck studying, but I suspect most people that find med school overwhelming also never held a real job before. Med school is exponentially worse than undergrad, but still pretty awesome compared to most jobs.
I agree with most of what is said, but I actually find med school much better than undergrad. The environment is much more supportive, people want you to succeed, there is a whole lot less busy work/crap you will never use again, and overall the information you will learn (especially 2nd year) is useful for most of your career. Busier sure, but I find the school work way more enjoyable. I'd rather repeat 2nd year than do Organic chemistry lab or take biochem tests (having to draw out entire pathways) again.
I agree with most of what is said, but I actually find med school much better than undergrad. The environment is much more supportive, people want you to succeed, there is a whole lot less busy work/crap you will never use again, and overall the information you will learn (especially 2nd year) is useful for most of your career. Busier sure, but I find the school work way more enjoyable. I'd rather repeat 2nd year than do Organic chemistry lab or take biochem tests (having to draw out entire pathways) again.
I love having so much control over my own time. It's wonderful. After working through college and afterwards, I feel like there is this huge expanse of time for studying and other parts of life.This. Studying is awesome compared to the drudgery of real professional jobs. I dont have to take **** from a boss, or work an endless amount of hours, or attend never ending meetings trying not bruise ego's of people above me in the food chain. I get to learn about the human body, make connections that I never knew existed and interact with my peers who are also excellent driven people.
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Medical school was better than working an 8-5 job on almost any day.
Those that describe it as "hell on earth" have surely been coddled or have no idea what they're talking about. To have the opportunity to obtain a higher education and then go on to a high paying, highly respected career is more than the vast majority of the world can even dream about.
Of course there are but that would still fall under the guise of being overly dramatic. Remember you’re talking to someone who has been through medical school and a surgical residency before work hour restrictions.I think it depends on the person. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have worked 9-5s and still consider medical school a hell on earth, especially m3
I see a lot of people here complaining that medical school is worse than death. It's very disheartening and unmotivating. Is medical school really hell on earth?
I really do enjoy medical school. It can be extremely stressful at times, but by and large it's been a great experience. Academically, it's significantly worse than college. But my worst day in medical school is several orders of magnitude better than by best day applying to medical school, so I take some solace in that.
There is a hurricane devastating Cuba, just took a whack at several Caribbean nations and is aching to wipe Floridians off of their parcels. These are hell on earth. I reached out to a dear Hispanic friend yesterday in Miami inquiring what the local government in Miami has told them as to what to expect. Their answer fits this thread: "Hell, We are expecting hell". Storm surge of 10 feet, saving one's house from water entering (good luck with that) while your family is hoping you can do something. Staggering
So it strikes me as humorous that those who have the privilege to earn the most prestigious doctoral degree in the world, to make important decisions impacting others, have people hang on their life / decison making words, and make ungodly amounts of money compared to those poor souls who lost everything they owned in the Caribbean, that med school is hell.
Go visit St Barts, St Martin or Cuba, and tell us what hell was like. These Cubans in Camaguey were desperately trying to prevent Irma from entering their slum cell - notice the bed, walls and poverty. Now they are sitting in 15 feet of water
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I think it depends on the person. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have worked 9-5s and still consider medical school a hell on earth, especially m3
It doesn't, but the particular stressors experienced by those in Cuba right now are probably far more physiologically and psychologically significant....Can you relax?
I am sure nobody actually thinks it's the objectively worst thing that can happen to a person; it's a perception that Med school will be horrible and it can seem foreboding at best looking at it from the outside.
Presumably the Black Plague was worse as well. Talking about one stressful or difficult situation doesn't undermine the importance of another.
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This seems a bit dramatic
I see a lot of people here complaining that medical school is worse than death. It's very disheartening and unmotivating. Is medical school really hell on earth?
But adcoms are really good at screening for people who can actually finish med school.
It doesn't, but the particular stressors experienced by those in Cuba right now are probably far more physiologically and psychologically significant....
Yeah you got me thereRead closely and ask yourself if I said they weren't significant.
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I'm not saying millenials/our culture is dramatic, I'm saying YOU are.
Of course there are but that would still fall under the guise of being overly dramatic.
Its like the patient last night who is telling me that she (admitted for cellulitis, > 90 days post op) is having "9/10" pain. This while eating, carrying on a normal conversation with me, socializing with her family. When I confronted her and said, "is this really as bad as that time you had a kidney stone, or had the baby without an epidural?" she backed off.
I think we need to stop overdramatizing things. Third year was no picnic for me either but its better than working a minimum wage research job and not getting any authorship, working at McDs, or maybe, not even having a job or something to eat tonight.
I tell a medical school aspirant that medical school is not worse than death, nor worse than hell, then describe a current event that truly hellish, and you get really dramatic, defensive, and omniscient with your "pretty sure" and "100% sure" statements.
Your intellectual rigor is truly lacking.
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Only thing that has sucked thus far for me is this terrible back pain I've been dealing with. Lower back pain + sitting down all day = not good combination. but oh well.
I'm not interested in derailing this thread further.
The irony of this post is almost overwhelming. You first engage in probably the perfect example of hypocrisy by criticizing
Or never experienced truly malignant rotations, which can be very emotionally taxing, regardless of the assured future safety. Not "hell on earth" but also not a cakewalk. There are reasons so many med students and physicians kill themselves and I think the extreme end of medical culture is one of them.Those that describe it as "hell on earth" have surely been coddled or have no idea what they're talking about. To have the opportunity to obtain a higher education and then go on to a high paying, highly respected career is more than the vast majority of the world can even dream about.
As a general surgeon who trained before work hour reform, I certainly know about emotionally taxing situations. I still counter that using the phrase "hell on earth" is hyperbole and in no way corresponds to what people without homes, food, safe drinking water, etc. go through. But we can let it rest - if others choose to be dramatic, then so be it.Or never experienced truly malignant rotations, which can be very emotionally taxing, regardless of the assured future safety. Not "hell on earth" but also not a cakewalk. There are reasons so many med students and physicians kill themselves and I think the extreme end of medical culture is one of them.
I'm not sure what this is about, how its relevant to the OP or why you've tagged me in it.@Winged Scapula @Planes2Doc @ChrisMack390 @sliceofbread136 Just for clarification, 8/9 to 5 is what we get paid for biweekly and what we tell our families so they know that we aren't running around making calls and filing/filling out last minute paperwork from home at midnight in order to make sure tomorrow doesn't run without a hitch. Because the only 9-5 jobs that I've worked that were actually 9 to 5 was working a retail gig that has likely now been replaced with a sales kiosk or will be replaced by a robot with opposable thumbs. The jobs that required a significant portion of my frontal cortex seemed like they never ended from one day to the next. Everything got pushed back and everyone stayed over hours and a lot of it was off the books to finish by deadline.
How did I ever wind up on the Pre-Allo forum?