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What are the repercussions of not participating, if fully board-certified?
Couldn't find any updates on this. Anyone? This all was 6-7 years ago.![]()
This pediatrician declined to do MOC. See what happened to her.
Return board certification and MOC to a voluntary process, free of fear and intimidation.www.kevinmd.com
From a few years ago, regarding the consequences of not participating in MOC. Perhaps things have changed since then, but I'm not optimistic.
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This pediatrician declined to do MOC. See what happened to her.
Return board certification and MOC to a voluntary process, free of fear and intimidation.www.kevinmd.com
From a few years ago, regarding the consequences of not participating in MOC. Perhaps things have changed since then, but I'm not optimistic.
Couldn't find any updates on this. Anyone? This all was 6-7 years ago.
You only get the CME if you pay the tax to the ASA.but are moca minute questions REQUIRED? i thought they are just for 10 CME if you do them all?
The ASA makes a fortune from CME sales. Much of which goes for MOCA/ABA requirements. The analogy is Tony Soprano (the ASA) doing Phil Leotardo (the ABA) a favor for something in return.You only get the CME if you pay the tax to the ASA.
The ABA proudly states that they don't profit from the sale of CME credits, and if you "opt in" to get the CME credit, it's "free" to ASA members. If you're not an ASA member it's an extra $160 fee.
I quit giving money to the ASA several years ago. I still pay the protection money to the ABA because for now it's still the path of least resistance to maintain certification, which I need. I'm not quite ready to give the ABA the finger too and move over to NBPAS.
I don't understand the confusion. If you want to participate in MOCA you need to do the MOCA stuff. MOCA Minute questions are part of MOCA. If you don't do them, ABA won't list you as "participating in MOCA" and won't renew your board certification when your current cert expires.I'm asking cause I don't want to do 100 questions for 10 credits
yea thats what i was asking. if its required for moca lolI don't understand the confusion. If you want to participate in MOCA you need to do the MOCA stuff. MOCA Minute questions are part of MOCA. If you don't do them, ABA won't list you as "participating in MOCA" and won't renew your board certification when your current cert expires.
If you don't want to do the questions, your options are to let your ABA cert expire and/or go to NBPAS and hope that the places you work currently and in the future will accept NBPAS.
If you're not an ASA member, you can get the MOCA Minute CME credit if you pay $160 to ASA.Do you need to be an ASA member to do MOCA and Earn CME?
I passed boards last year. I did not renew my ASA membership this year. I completed 30 MOCA minutes quesrions under the ABA website this year. It is not showing I earned 2.5 CME credits.
Don't give into the MOCA racket.
After ten years, your personal reputation will be more valuable than anything else. NBPAS is superior in every way.
Some poor slobs will have to pay the MOCA extortion (and that's all it is) because they absolutely have to work in a particular hospital that absolutely demands it. I understand your fear and anxiety.
But the farther I get away from hospitals (and the more money I make, and the sounder I sleep), the more confident I am remarking that only chumps work in hospitals. Let the CRNAs have the Medicare and Medicaid cases.
Don't give into the MOCA racket.
After ten years, your personal reputation will be more valuable than anything else. NBPAS is superior in every way.
yea thats what i was asking. if its required for moca lol
the MOCA minute questions replaced the every 10 year recertification written exam. So instead of taking an exam every 10 years, you do a bunch of questions every couple months. Personally I find this much more palatable.
Agreed. In order of my preference, it'd bethe MOCA minute questions replaced the every 10 year recertification written exam. So instead of taking an exam every 10 years, you do a bunch of questions every couple months. Personally I find this much more palatable.
Not cool. Also, not uncommon.I just found out a new one. ASA won't let you become a member of the society without forcing the state component (and membership $) on you. Shameful.
If they want to make a recertification process then make it for everyone. Don't Grandfather old anesthesiologists. It is B.S. They might have clinical skills but their knowledge base which is tested in MOCA is more likely to be lacking.
this was a hill to die on 25 years ago, but that ship left port a long time ago. Back then you were told you were board certified forever. I'm assuming there was some politicking going on to shift the burden of recertification to the newbies that weren't yet in the system, rather than get everyone agree to it being retroactive.
Yeah this is B.S. and basically a tax on newer anesthesiologists
the T-shirt should say:I think they should at least send us a t-shirt for that $210 a year.
I just suck it up and do it. I recertified for another 10 years this year and probably have 10 more years left. It’s the cost of doing business unfortunately
I don't mind it too much. I think the idea of recertification is valid, though I do not know the ideal way to go about it. There should be some requirement to continue your education over a 30-40 year career.
State medical boards usually require 25hrs CME/year to renew a license. Thankfully CME can be done for free nowadays. MOCA should be free too. If it was, I would do some MOCA between wordle, quordle, and catching up on the news which are all also free nowadays.
my only qualm with that is that CME is a joke. It barely requires a pulse to obtain CME these days. A janitor would qualify.
If it's that much of a joke then it shouldn't be part of MOCA anyway. Just have the MOCA minute q's onlymy only qualm with that is that CME is a joke. It barely requires a pulse to obtain CME these days. A janitor would qualify.
I just suck it up and do it. I recertified for another 10 years this year and probably have 10 more years left. It’s the cost of doing business unfortunately
Is there an ABMS specialty certification requirement in your hospital by laws or something?we couldn't hire you if we wanted if you were not ABA board certified, your reputation counts for nothing
The ABFM didn't offer any grandfathering when we started having to do MOC and if there were lawsuits that clearly didn't work since no one is permanently certified.Also fear of push back. Imagine 10,000 plus anesthesiologists publicly lobbying ASA leadership to sue the ABA on their behalf for breach of contract. The animosity that would be generated when they declined. It was simpler to play the long game.
The ABFM didn't offer any grandfathering when we started having to do MOC and if there were lawsuits that clearly didn't work since no one is permanently certified.
Kinda surprised.
Is there an ABMS specialty certification requirement in your hospital by laws or something?
Edit: ABMS, not ABIM
I don't know if we're the only ones that didn't make that an option, but I think it was a good move. I would be infinitely more angry if a large subset of FPs didn't have to do MOC while I did.Same, I thought every specialty board made 2000 the hard stop on grandfathering
The anger of a small powerless subset (new and future grads) is not something most mid career and late career types care about.I don't know if we're the only ones that didn't make that an option, but I think it was a good move. I would be infinitely more angry if a large subset of FPs didn't have to do MOC while I did.
So I have to pay $210 to the ABA and $160 to the ASA to get a measly 2.5 CME???If you're not an ASA member, you can get the MOCA Minute CME credit if you pay $160 to ASA.