Is reporting a doctor for fraud (upcoding/overdocumenting) likely to go anywhere?

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Yeah, I get it. Sorry for coming across as just venting.


This is true only if you blow the whistle to CMS and there is a finding of fraud, though. AFAIK, all these other concerns like ethics, professionalism, poor patient care, false documentation (that's not falsified specifically to commit fraud) wouldn't fall under that.
Maybe @splik or others would know more, but I imagine if someone is just copying forward the entire note with obvious and verifiably incorrect information this would constitute fraud as billing for CMS services requires us to complete an updated HPI, assessment, and plan and document this in order to be reimbursed. The ethics, professionalism, and poor care may not qualify, but documentation is evidence of what we actually do and is required to be able to bill. It's also the reason your employer could also retaliate or circle the wagons to oust you since it would suggest admin is aware of this misconduct and allowed it.

Again, I don't know for sure but if I personally saw something as egregious as what you're describing I'd report it. Especially if it is a chronic and ongoing occurrence that you have evidence of.

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I know what you mean, but as @Stagg737 points out, that's not what's happening here.

This person is basically too lazy to do notes in any real sense. 99% of the content of their notes is just 1) copied-forward/copied-pasted text from somebody else's note, and 2) their own smartphrases/copy-paste phrases, but used so commonly and indiscriminately that if you've read many of this person's charts, you have no confidence that the particular phrases being used actually apply in that situation.

For example, this person has a stock phrase they use in their HPI that is something like "Patient admits to noncompliance with outpatient regimen." But they will put this phrase in their H&P on a patient for who had not in fact been prescribed an outpatient regimen. Or, wanting to justify using a long-acting injectable antipsychotic, they have a stock phrase that is something like "Patient has a history of repeated rehospitalization due to noncompliance with oral antipsychotic." But they will put this phrase in a note on a patient who has never had a psychiatric admission before. The statement that the patient has a history of repeated hospitalization is a bald-faced lie.

There is never a time that this person actually writes a real note like "Patient describes worsening depressive symptoms over the past 2 weeks in the setting of the encroaching anniversary of her mother's death. She has had low mood, anhedonia, difficulty sleeping, fatigue, diminished appetite, and poor concentration. She denies suicidal thoughts, but admits that she frequently thinks she would not mind if she went to sleep and didn't wake up. At times she has heard a voice calling her name. She had a similar episode a year and a half ago, at which time her PCP started her on sertraline 50 mg. She found it effective for these symptoms at first, but more recently they have returned." They never write or dictate a narrative like that. Instead, their HPI is one brief paragraph consisting of 3-4 of their same stock/boilerplate sentences they use for almost every patient, and the rest copied/pasted verbatim from ED and consult notes (where people did do a narrative.)

Also, this person avoids doing the first progress note of a hospitalization (i.e., the patient's second day,) because that entails building a progress note from scratch instead of copying one forward. So they will have the midlevel see the patient, who will write something like "Patient seen this morning on rounds. He reports he was nervous about attending groups at first, but attended one yesterday afternoon and found it helpful. Wife visited yesterday evening; they had a good visit and he feels his wife is supportive. Reports his mood is still down, but not having any suicidal thoughts today. Took the first dose of Abilify yesterday and noted no side effects. He is starting to be able to identify activities he looks forward to upon going home, like tending his garden."

Then the next day, this person will do their progress by copying forward the midlevel's, and leave the subjective section totally unchanged. The subjective section will literally be that exact paragraph above, with nothing added or changed. Then they will continue to copy that forward for days, so that for several days in a row, that exact paragraph is the subjective section of each day's progress note. Again, with nothing added or modified.

And I think what's so galling about this is that I feel like all through med school and residency, we were taught that the absolute worst thing you could possibly do is to put false information in your note, with one subset of that being the infamous "documenting that you did things you didn't do." We had it drilled into us that if you did that, you were with 100% certainly going to be successfully sued, potentially lose your license, possibly even get criminally convicted of fraud. Yet this person has just been brazenly getting away with this for years, with nobody saying or doing anything about it.

In addition to the poor documentation, this person routinely reveals such poor understanding of diagnostics and treatment that it would be almost comical if it weren't so bad for patient care. As I keep saying, if you could hear this person talk, you would know what I mean. You would be shocked to see some of the treatment decisions, to overheard some of the comments about when this or that medication is indicated or contraindicated, etc. It's as though a very unintelligent but very cocky and self-assured layman overheard a few discussions about psychiatry and thought that a few words and phrases they plucked out of those discussions (without any real understanding) made them knowledgeable and qualified to practice psychiatry.

I'm open to any suggestions. Maybe I jumped the gun by bringing up fraud right away. These are all good things to know about. Though no, I'm not in New York and as far as I can tell, my state doesn't have an OPMC, though I see from the medical board website there is a way to file a complaint there.
I'm really surprised you would admit the person with that H&P. There's no psychosis, and they're depressed on the starting dose. Thinking you wouldn't be upset if you died is in no way at all remotely a reason to admit someone. So in your example you sound like you're a fraudulent doctor admitting people for no reason.
 
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I'm really surprised you would admit the person with that H&P. There's no psychosis, and they're depressed on the starting dose. Thinking you wouldn't be upset if you died is in no way at all remotely a reason to admit someone. So in your example you sound like you're a fraudulent doctor admitting people for no reason.
Oh come on, this just sounds like trying to discourage reporting a doc that sounds truly dangerous to patients. The part you're quoting is just a sample, but even then if the patient is requesting admission and has other severe symptoms impacting functioning it's valid.

I'm honestly surprised by the amount of pushback OP is getting in regards to reporting their colleague. If this psychiatrist is half the clown that OP is saying they are then they're clearly failing to meet an already abysmally low standard of care to a point that's lower than what I even expect from crappy NPs and on top of that are committing legitimate fraud. I'm baffled and frankly disappointed by the pushback that seems to be coming from multiple people after reading about this other doc's practices...
 
I'm really surprised you would admit the person with that H&P. There's no psychosis, and they're depressed on the starting dose. Thinking you wouldn't be upset if you died is in no way at all remotely a reason to admit someone. So in your example you sound like you're a fraudulent doctor admitting people for no reason.

omph, if we admitted everyone who "wouldn't be upset if I died," we'd have no one to work IM wards...
What is wrong with you two? That's not what this is about and you know it. I just quickly rattled that off as a basic example of a possible excerpt of an HPI that actually contains some specific details about the patient's presentation, to contrast with what this person is doing, not an illustration of the criteria for inpatient admission.

Also, I don't make the decision to admit. Someone in the ED does. Then I have to see the patient and do an H&P, even if I disagree with the admission and am discharging them same day.

Also, seriously, you never see people getting voluntarily admitted for depression without suicidal thoughts or psychosis?

I think you guys are just being contrarian because you can't believe that this person is as bad as I'm making them out to be.
 
What is wrong with you two? That's not what this is about and you know it. I just quickly rattled that off as a basic example of a possible excerpt of an HPI that actually contains some specific details about the patient's presentation, to contrast with what this person is doing, not an illustration of the criteria for inpatient admission.

Also, I don't make the decision to admit. Someone in the ED does. Then I have to see the patient and do an H&P, even if I disagree with the admission and am discharging them same day.

Also, seriously, you never see people getting voluntarily admitted for depression without suicidal thoughts or psychosis?

I think you guys are just being contrarian because you can't believe that this person is as bad as I'm making them out to be.
Nah, you're coming across as naive and entitled. If the boards or someone investigates, they might investigate the whole hospital. If they found you did one thing that they could claim is fraudulent then you're mixed in with this doctor. You're part of a conspiracy. You couldn't even be bothered to use an appropriate H&P while telling us all you're the most conscientious person alive.

You also couldn't be bothered to push back on the people who don't have expertise making admission decisions? Sounds like you're profiting off of an abuse of power.


It's not your monkey, not your problem. Let the patients report him. The board will just think you're a troublemaker.

I'm sure that you are right and this person is misusing their smart phrases. They are probably also doing something fraudulent but the hospital wants them to keep doing it because the suits are short sighted. Of the notes in an acute hospital setting, I can say with confidence that 90% of the ones I have read are exactly like the notes you are describing. The other 10% are people admitting people who don't meet criteria and they don't bother to make it sound like they met criteria.

I have been told by multiple bosses to put those phrases in otherwise insurance wouldn't pay. So I quit, like a real professional.
 
Nah, you're coming across as naive and entitled. If the boards or someone investigates, they might investigate the whole hospital. If they found you did one thing that they could claim is fraudulent then you're mixed in with this doctor. You're part of a conspiracy. You couldn't even be bothered to use an appropriate H&P while telling us all you're the most conscientious person alive.

You also couldn't be bothered to push back on the people who don't have expertise making admission decisions? Sounds like you're profiting off of an abuse of power.


It's not your monkey, not your problem. Let the patients report him. The board will just think you're a troublemaker. I'm sure that you are right and this person is misusing their smart phrases. I have been told by multiple bosses to put those phrases in otherwise insurance wouldn't pay. So I quit, like a real professional.
This is ridiculous. While it wasn't the best example, it's not fraud nor evidence of a lack of expertise to admit someone for depression absent suicidal thoughts or psychosis. As @Stagg737 said, it's possible to have severe symptoms affecting their functioning without those two things.
 
Maybe @splik or others would know more, but I imagine if someone is just copying forward the entire note with obvious and verifiably incorrect information this would constitute fraud as billing for CMS services requires us to complete an updated HPI, assessment, and plan and document this in order to be reimbursed. The ethics, professionalism, and poor care may not qualify, but documentation is evidence of what we actually do and is required to be able to bill. It's also the reason your employer could also retaliate or circle the wagons to oust you since it would suggest admin is aware of this misconduct and allowed it.
But to be compensated as a whistleblower, don't you have to file a lawsuit under the False Claims Act?

If I were to do that, at some point in the process, could this person eventually find out that I was the one who initiated the lawsuit?
 
This is ridiculous. While it wasn't the best example, it's not fraud nor evidence of a lack of expertise to admit someone for depression absent suicidal thoughts or psychosis. As @Stagg737 said, it's possible to have severe symptoms affecting their functioning without those two things.
Why are you even asking us? Just report it. The more you wait, the more evidence there is that you thought it was fraudulent and decided not to report it. Talking about it online is not a wise thing to do if you think it will actually be a legal case.

Also, it's fraud to admit someone to a hospital without an indication, and it's especially fraud to not discharge them the second you see them. You are a fraud. I wish I knew your name so I could report you too.
 
But to be compensated as a whistleblower, don't you have to file a lawsuit under the False Claims Act?

If I were to do that, at some point in the process, could this person eventually find out that I was the one who initiated the lawsuit?
greedy greedy. I knew you were a just a greedy guy trying to get a buck from everywhere you could extract it.
 
Oh come on, this just sounds like trying to discourage reporting a doc that sounds truly dangerous to patients. The part you're quoting is just a sample, but even then if the patient is requesting admission and has other severe symptoms impacting functioning it's valid.

I'm honestly surprised by the amount of pushback OP is getting in regards to reporting their colleague. If this psychiatrist is half the clown that OP is saying they are then they're clearly failing to meet an already abysmally low standard of care to a point that's lower than what I even expect from crappy NPs and on top of that are committing legitimate fraud. I'm baffled and frankly disappointed by the pushback that seems to be coming from multiple people after reading about this other doc's practices...
what they're describing is what the overwhelming majority of doctors do in every single field. It's shameful, and I don't think anyone should practice medicine that way. I've seen NPs practice that way, and I've seen more MDs act that way. I think it's wrong and it would make me angry to see a colleague doing that, too. I'd be just as, if not more, upset with the colleague as the OP is. I just wouldn't go online and try to get everyone to justify my rage while also sitting on my laurels and letting someone abuse patients.

Also, it's not acceptable to admit someone because they asked. In psychiatry, it's downright dangerous. Does the cardiac ICU admit someone because they ask nicely in the ER but don't have a valid indication?
 
But to be compensated as a whistleblower, don't you have to file a lawsuit under the False Claims Act?

If I were to do that, at some point in the process, could this person eventually find out that I was the one who initiated the lawsuit?
Sure, like I and others have said if you go the legal route you should be prepared for backlash from your employer. You could also just report to your state medical boards and submit evidence. If this were occurring in my state there's a decent chance they'd either lose their license or have to practice under supervision of another physician. Up to you what route to take, but if it's as bad as you're describing I'd report them somewhere. FAQ for false claims act:

 
what they're describing is what the overwhelming majority of doctors do in every single field. It's shameful, and I don't think anyone should practice medicine that way. I've seen NPs practice that way, and I've seen more MDs act that way. I think it's wrong and it would make me angry to see a colleague doing that, too. I'd be just as, if not more, upset with the colleague as the OP is. I just wouldn't go online and try to get everyone to justify my rage while also sitting on my laurels and letting someone abuse patients.
It is absolutely not, and if this has been the norm for you idk where you practice but keep me far away. Do large portions of notes get copied forward? Sure. Is it "normal" for entire notes with no edits or updates to be copied forward? Of course not. Even if it's a crappy 2 sentence HPI with a plan that says "No changes for 4/17, continue treatment below", that's very different from copying an entire admit note from years ago with info that's not even relevant to the current complaint.

OP posted this in the first place because they wanted to know if this was even worth reporting and if there would even be consequences. In my state it would be, and I can say confidently that if the board saw this here action would be taken. Agree that they should gather evidence and report it if that's what you're suggesting though.

Also, it's not acceptable to admit someone because they asked. In psychiatry, it's downright dangerous. Does the cardiac ICU admit someone because they ask nicely in the ER but don't have a valid indication?
Of course not, point isn't that we admit people because they want admission. Point is that there are plenty of reasons to admit someone even if they're not actively suicidal.
 
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greedy greedy. I knew you were a just a greedy guy trying to get a buck from everywhere you could extract it.
I'm just trying to fatFIRE so my fraudulent self can quit and stop committing fraud.
Also, it's not acceptable to admit someone because they asked. In psychiatry, it's downright dangerous. Does the cardiac ICU admit someone because they ask nicely in the ER but don't have a valid indication?
I think you must be trolling to keep harping on this. I already said it wasn't the best example, but if you think inpatient psychiatric admission is absolutely contraindicated unless the patient has SI, HI, or psychosis, I have my doubts about your competence.
 
I'm just trying to fatFIRE so my fraudulent self can quit and stop committing fraud.

I think you must be trolling to keep harping on this. I already said it wasn't the best example, but if you think inpatient psychiatric admission is absolutely contraindicated unless the patient has SI, HI, or psychosis, I have my doubts about your competence.
That's not what I said. What I said was that they are depressed at the starting dose without any indications for hospitalization. I'm shocked that as an inpatient psychiatrist you couldn't come up with an actual H&P when you're trying to give an example of a good H&P. Are we sure you're not the one trolling?

And I'm sorry, I guess some of you work in the best hospitals in the country, because everyone I've had the displeasure of working alongside does this in most fields. Again, it's not good, but it's just what I've seen. I've never once seen a nursing note that consistently used the correct gender to refer to a patient. Maybe I'm just working in community settings that would be beneath y'all.

Anyway, why are you still whining about this? Think of all the patients this doctor has abused while you've been posting on this forum about it. Please, hurry and report them and do it fast and do it thoroughly so that this bad doctor can be stopped.

Just, for the love of god, when you're trying to sound holier than thou, remember to use a good example.
 
@Trismegistus4

What do you think about changing jobs? It seems you want the best for the patients. Unfortunately, it's you against the institution. Where I'm at, if a physician did what you mentioned about copying over notes from a year ago without making changes and billing at highest level when it isn't indicated, the physician would be talked to and trained and warned if the problem persisted. If no improvement is made, he would be fired. The place I'm at has no qualms about firing physicians that are subpar.

My psychiatric department is headed by a medical director who is very competent and wants the best for patients and has a lot of say regarding hiring & firing of physicians and nurses and other staff members. He is willing to rock boats and he fought for control of the department and was willing to leave if he didn't get his way. They let him get his way because he made the psychiatric department profitable, which is no small feat. If you can get results and if you are willing to rock boats, you can make changes but it will be a battle.

In the same town, there is another institution (full of NPs) that is prescribing adderall and xanax and buprenorphine for whoever wants it. (Non-prescription opioid is not easily obtained in this town so people turn to abuse of buprenorphine instead.) It was well known that addicts (and anyone else) could easily get controlled medications there. Nothing was done about their poor prescribing for decades even though complaints were made until a prominent member of the community had a family member die because of the poor prescribing. Then the prescriber was forced to retire.
 



This lawsuit has some faults, but the sentiment is true. This hospital has a system of knowingly and intentionally fabricating suicidal ideation and psychosis in the charts of patients. It is a well-known truth that the doctors are pressured to fabricate key elements. The lawsuit was settled privately and all doctors involved were in no way punished or reprimanded. Several got promotions. The administration jumped ship just before the lawsuit was finalized and went on to another local hospital and repeated the same cycle.

This is why I have such a negative outlook on any of this being adequately acted upon. This hospital is clearly guilty. The attendings have taught every year of residents to act this way for decades. The system encourages this type of malpractice as medicine.
 
Oh come on, this just sounds like trying to discourage reporting a doc that sounds truly dangerous to patients. The part you're quoting is just a sample, but even then if the patient is requesting admission and has other severe symptoms impacting functioning it's valid.

I'm honestly surprised by the amount of pushback OP is getting in regards to reporting their colleague. If this psychiatrist is half the clown that OP is saying they are then they're clearly failing to meet an already abysmally low standard of care to a point that's lower than what I even expect from crappy NPs and on top of that are committing legitimate fraud. I'm baffled and frankly disappointed by the pushback that seems to be coming from multiple people after reading about this other doc's practices...

I don't have a horse in this race, but the pushback may be because I could imagine a dozen med students (not claiming the OP is one, to be clear) claiming similar things about multiple attendings that I had. Very often we would, erm, make vague statements to be able to get treatment. Nothing like the OP is describing, but I've seen quite a few "schizoaffective" that did not really have the diagnosis, but if you didn't put that, pt wouldn't get help after discharge.

But again, I am not there to see the case and I agree things look pretty bad per OP report. I see no reason not to believe him.
 
Moderator note: I would like to remind everyone in this thread to keep things civil and refrain from personal attacks on each other's competence. We can debate the appropriateness of clinical decisions but impugning someone else's competence or character is not part of that.
 
I don't have a horse in this race, but the pushback may be because I could imagine a dozen med students (not claiming the OP is one, to be clear) claiming similar things about multiple attendings that I had. Very often we would, erm, make vague statements to be able to get treatment. Nothing like the OP is describing, but I've seen quite a few "schizoaffective" that did not really have the diagnosis, but if you didn't put that, pt wouldn't get help after discharge.

But again, I am not there to see the case and I agree things look pretty bad per OP report. I see no reason not to believe him.
OP is an attending physician but we have seen medical students interpret things which are normal incorrectly. This seems to be far from the case here.

I also want to be clear that what makes it illegal and necessary to report this is not that OP is seeing statements that are vague or that there is a concern that people are being questionably admitted. It's that a person is using old notes from years earlier that are completely irrelevant to current events and care as their documentation without making any kind of edits or updates, then placing orders that are completely different from what they're documenting, and then billing CMS for this. It also appears that some of these actions are directly leading to patient harm which takes this to another level relevant to state medical boards. The sum of the parts is why this is so problematic and unacceptable.

To any med students or residents reading this: While making vague statements or half-truths in documentation is certainly problematic and may easily be unethical, that is not the issue here. Copying forward notes isn't the problem, as it is fine to copy forward notes as long as they're updated appropriately and the information in them is true based on the current assessment and knowledge of the situation. What is not fine is blatantly writing false information or lies in a chart and/or saying you performed evaluations when you did not. Going a step further and trying to bill CMS for this is illegal. These are the reasons this particular case should be reported, and in my state there would be consequences if there were evidence to show this was actually happening.
 
To further belabor the point, in some states you may have a legal obligation to report. For example, in Ohio if you don't report a colleague's misconduct you could face a fine up to $20k and board action yourself.


As a licensee of the State Medical Board of Ohio, you have a statutory and ethical duty to report misconduct. You are obligated to report violations of law, rule and code of ethics standards to the Medical Board. Examples of misconduct include, but are not limited to, sexual misconduct, impairment, practice below the minimal standards of care, and improper prescribing of controlled substances. If you suspect or have observed inappropriate behavior by a health care professional or colleague, you should file a complaint with the State Medical Board. If you believe a crime has been committed, you should also contact your local law enforcement. Knowing a colleague is violating regulations and not reporting to the Medical Board not only puts patients at risk but also puts your license to practice in jeopardy.

Licensees should not assume that by informing their supervisor their duty to report is fulfilled. Failure to report a colleague’s misconduct can result in fines of up to $20,000 and disciplinary action. Ohio law is clear when a licensee needs to report information directly to the Medical Board.

You can file a complaint directly with the Medical Board 24/7 through the confidential complaint hotline at 1-833-333-SMBO (7626) or online at med.ohio.gov. Provisions in the Ohio Revised Code make all complaints received by the board confidential.
 
I see that on the books but is there a single example ever of charges being brought for that?
Yup, doc lost his license for failing to a report a partner he knew had sexually assaulted patients:

 



This lawsuit has some faults, but the sentiment is true. This hospital has a system of knowingly and intentionally fabricating suicidal ideation and psychosis in the charts of patients. It is a well-known truth that the doctors are pressured to fabricate key elements. The lawsuit was settled privately and all doctors involved were in no way punished or reprimanded. Several got promotions. The administration jumped ship just before the lawsuit was finalized and went on to another local hospital and repeated the same cycle.
Do you have any citations for this information? According to the links, this lawsuit was filed less than three months ago.
He was clearly just trying to give an example of how a typical actual narrative HPI reads. Honestly I assumed that example was for an outpatient note, because it illustrated the point he was trying to make. Are you deliberately trying to miss the point?
Yes, the point wasn't to provide an example of a typical admission or a slam-dunk case for admission, just to provide the most basic, bare-bones example of what a modicum of relevant detail about a patient's presentation might look like, to contrast it with what the person being discussed in this thread writes as an HPI, which is a brief paragraph of like 4-5 generic, boilerplate sentences communicating almost no information about the patient's presentation. Literally something like "Patient admitted to the behavioral health unit for safety and stabilization. Patient presented with mania and psychosis. Writer and patient discussed reason for admission. Patient admits to noncompliance with his outpatient regimen. Writer counseled patient on the risks of substances including marijuana in exacerbating psychosis. Writer discussed the role of psychiatric medication in effective treatment." Literally, that's the entire HPI.
 
Do you have any citations for this information? According to the links, this lawsuit was filed less than three months ago.

Yes, the point wasn't to provide an example of a typical admission or a slam-dunk case for admission, just to provide the most basic, bare-bones example of what a modicum of relevant detail about a patient's presentation might look like, to contrast it with what the person being discussed in this thread writes as an HPI, which is a brief paragraph of like 4-5 generic, boilerplate sentences communicating almost no information about the patient's presentation. Literally something like "Patient admitted to the behavioral health unit for safety and stabilization. Patient presented with mania and psychosis. Writer and patient discussed reason for admission. Patient admits to noncompliance with his outpatient regimen. Writer counseled patient on the risks of substances including marijuana in exacerbating psychosis. Writer discussed the role of psychiatric medication in effective treatment." Literally, that's the entire HPI.
Citation for what information? The lawsuit?

Those statements do look like something someone thinks are supposed to go in there for billing purposes. I wish they were more ethical and accurate in their documentation. I'm sorry you have to live and work in an environment with a peer who does that poorly.

I hope you report them and there is an eventual positive outcome.
 
Citation for what information? The lawsuit?
The settlement and other subsequent events. Seems pretty unlikely for all that to have happened in less than three months.

Those statements do look like something someone thinks are supposed to go in there for billing purposes. I wish they were more ethical and accurate in their documentation. I'm sorry you have to live and work in an environment with a peer who does that poorly.

I hope you report them and there is an eventual positive outcome.
Thanks, but you don't think this contradicts your earlier statement that this behavior is something the vast majority of doctors in every specialty do?
 
The settlement and other subsequent events. Seems pretty unlikely for all that to have happened in less than three months.


Thanks, but you don't think this contradicts your earlier statement that this behavior is something the vast majority of doctors in every specialty do?

My source is hearsay from colleagues who work there.

To the second part: Not really. I don't like anyone who does this, regardless of specialty.
 
My source is hearsay from colleagues who work there.
That's a shame, then. I would have hoped there'd be more consequences for events like those. I'm hardly some bleeding-heart liberal, but it's illegal and unethical to keep someone in the hospital against their will when they don't need to be there just because you feel like it, whether the reason you feel like it is that you want more money, or that you are too lazy to do a discharge summary and med rec.
 
Let's say you knew of a doctor who was routinely documenting things they didn't do (i.e., dropping time-based/psychotherapy statements into notes stating that they spent 30 minutes face-to-face with a patient when they spent nowhere near that long) and billing the highest level billing code on every encounter despite spending almost zero time with patients and putting no effort into anything.

Would reporting them to Medicare/the state/some other agency likely result in any action being taken?

Purely hypothetically speaking, of course.
Snitches get stitches, yo.
 
It's extremely demoralizing to work in an environment where you're trying to do a good job, be a conscientious doctor, and do what's best for your patients, and there are others who shamelessly express that they feel entitled to essentially fake doing the job and shirk as much responsibility as possible, and get paid the same.
Get another job then Saint Trismegistus4.
 
I get that self-righteousness can be extremely off-putting (as noted in the above 3 comments), but I do actually really agree with the idea of leaving the job. Poor patient care, particularly over time, is not really related to one provider, nor is "reporting them" likely to fix the issue. There are almost always managerial or higher level expectations that are ultimately creating the problem. Further, you leaving the job does, again over the long term, help address the issue as if people keep doing that, the facility may recognize that there actual issues.
 
I would say that fraud is fraud. If you defraud medicaid, you can go to prison.

Loved seeing a Arkansas psych doc on the board get popped for this. He's going to prison. Someone reported him. They investigated and saw he was billing for visits even though he wasn't physically on site for days he was billing. Often billing on people he never met.

Seeing people fast and leaving however is not fraud. It's just crap care. I know people who are happy as pigs in mud seeing 14-18 people in 1 hour, billing 99231s on everyone (low complexity) and leaving. They do the bare minimum note, subjective 2-3 unique sentences, and maybe something in the MSE are the only things unique - everything else is autopopulated. That's not fraud, that's just crap care. Their discharge summary and intake note is similar. If you look at requirements for billing 99231, it is a very low bar.
 
I get that self-righteousness can be extremely off-putting (as noted in the above 3 comments), but I do actually really agree with the idea of leaving the job. Poor patient care, particularly over time, is not really related to one provider, nor is "reporting them" likely to fix the issue. There are almost always managerial or higher level expectations that are ultimately creating the problem. Further, you leaving the job does, again over the long term, help address the issue as if people keep doing that, the facility may recognize that there actual issues.
Don't disagree with this, but counterpoint to the bolded. It seems this facility already has an incompetent lackey and maybe even patsy for this stuff who seems perfectly content to keep collecting a paycheck for harming patients. If OP doesn't report the individual, it's unlikely this facility is going to do anything about them and just look for more people like their colleague who are willing to skate by as long as everyone gets their cheese. If for no other reason, OP should report this doc for patient safety reasons.

If I were OP I'd gather evidence and report this guy while also looking for another job. Agree with you wholeheartedly that even if this guy gets canned it's highly unlikely to change to environment that's allowed him to practice like this. I wouldn't want to work somewhere that allows this and let myself potentially get caught up anything that could come back at me.

I would say that fraud is fraud. If you defraud medicaid, you can go to prison.

Loved seeing a Arkansas psych doc on the board get popped for this. He's going to prison. Someone reported him. They investigated and saw he was billing for visits even though he wasn't physically on site for days he was billing. Often billing on people he never met.

Seeing people fast and leaving however is not fraud. It's just crap care. I know people who are happy as pigs in mud seeing 14-18 people in 1 hour, billing 99231s on everyone (low complexity) and leaving. They do the bare minimum note, subjective 2-3 unique sentences, and maybe something in the MSE are the only things unique - everything else is autopopulated. That's not fraud, that's just crap care. Their discharge summary and intake note is similar. If you look at requirements for billing 99231, it is a very low bar.
It's funny, was talking with one of our psych nurses today and she's seeing her psychiatrist who previously went to prison for Medicare fraud. When I asked her about it she said he's a good psychiatrist, just greedy af, which could certainly be true. Even "good doctors" can commit fraud. Another fun story, only psychiatrist (or physician) I directly know of getting fired from the VA was doing exactly this, was just letting residents see patients and staffing over the phone but documenting and billing that he saw the patients. VA didn't fire him until he discharged a patient he never saw who was still psychotic at discharge and then the guy went out and murdered 3 people. All the docs I know who know this psychiatrist still feel he was good when he worked directly with his patients and were shocked to hear about it.

Like you say, the bar is abysmally low ("the bar is in hell" as one of our residents recently put it). So I don't get the pressures to avoid reporting when people are blatantly and repeatedly failing to meet it.
 
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