Just got a DO interview. Should I go to it?

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Stats: LizzyM: 72.5 but with a low GPA and a downward trend. Above average to excellent EC's. Average LoRs.

I got 3 MD interviews only this cycle and I'm waiting to hear back from all of them. No waitlists so far. I'm also considering applying to SMP programs with very high linkage such as Tulane and Temple.

I just got my first DO interview invitation today and I'm wondering if I should attend. I know the pros and cons of either choice, I'm just wondering what you would do if you were in my situation and why.
 
I would definitey go just to have that option if you dont hear good news from the MD schools, but hopefully you do.
I applied to one DO school for that reason last year
Good luck!


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Definitely go if you have the finances to do so. You spent the money and invested the time in applying, at least go see what they have to offer!
 
Are you okay having the chance of being a family medicine doctor, internal medicinist, or another non-competitive specialty? If you say no, you wouldn't want to do these; let someone else take the interview. My friend a D.O. is a surgeon, but he also is an extremely hard worker. The real question is if you can become a doctor with a non-competitive specialty. If you cannot, let it go.

I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying it's less likely.

@Goro What do you think?
 
Definitely go if you have the finances to do so. You spent the money and invested the time in applying, at least go see what they have to offer!

My thinking is that if I turn down the interview, I can apply to MD and DO next cycle and get another shot at MD this way. Whereas if I attend the interview and am accepted, I can't turn down the acceptance without closing the door on DO entirely.
 
Are you okay having the chance of being a family medicine doctor, internal medicinist, or another non-competitive specialty? If you say no, you wouldn't want to do these; let someone else take the interview. My friend is a D.O. is also a surgeon, but he also is an extremely hard worker. The real question is if you can become a doctor with a non-competitive specialty. If you cannot, let it go.

I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying it's less likely.

@Goro What do you think?

What!? Ignore the above poster.

No acceptances, go to the DO interview and hopefully you get a spot this cycle, then you can worry about what you want to be.
 
What!? Ignore the above poster.

No acceptances, go to the DO interview and hopefully you get a spot this cycle, then you can worry about what you want to be.

I've done my research on this. The only residencies that are exceedingly hard for DOs to get (Derm, Neurosurgery, Ophthalmology, Rad Onc), I'm sure I won't be interested in so I don't think this will be an issue.
 
If it were me, and it did not impose a significant financial burden, I would go. It's not me though, so I'll post some food for thought questions that may be helpful when weighing your options. If you go and hate the school, I would imagine you can withdraw your application post interview.

- Why did you apply to the school? There was something at some point that made you submit a primary, a secondary, and money to them.

- What do you have to lose by going and what do you have to gain? Losses include money and time and gains include more interview experience and a potential acceptance into medical school.

- Are you hesitant to go because you prefer MD over DO? Are you hesitant to go because of this specific DO school vs. other schools?

- If you don't attend this interview is this a school you will still be thinking about? Will you be wondering "what could have been"? Examine this from different possible outcomes - an MD acceptance, no acceptances, etc.

- What if you go and fall in love with the school? Would you ever choose this school over one of the MD schools you are waiting on?

- If your options came down to a DO acceptance vs. reapplying next cycle for MD, which do you think is more preferable, favorable, and feasible to you?

Worst case scenario questions:

- If you are rejected everywhere this cycle, would you apply to that DO school again? If you are rejected everywhere this cycle, would you apply to any DO schools again?

- If you are rejected by the MD schools you are waiting on, would you regret not interviewing here?
 
Just go. You might love it there.

Also consider that an SMP is an expensive risk. A DO interview is a few hundred bucks and a wasted day at WORST and a shot to go ahead and get to medical training right away at best.
 
You're sitting on zero acceptances, so the only thing you have to lose by going to an interview is money. If you can afford it, go.

My thinking is that if I turn down the interview, I can apply to MD and DO next cycle and get another shot at MD this way. Whereas if I attend the interview and am accepted, I can't turn down the acceptance without closing the door on DO entirely.

Which would you regret more: not being a doctor or being a DO instead of a MD? To me, the answer is obvious, but you have to decide for yourself.
 
Whatever you decide on doing, I wouldn't see how an SMP would be a huge benefit for you. I know you mention a low GPA, but if you got 3 MD interviews this cycle, seems like your app can't really have any glaring holes.
 
You're sitting on zero acceptances, so the only thing you have to lose by going to an interview is money. If you can afford it, go.



Which would you regret more: not being a doctor or being a DO instead of a MD? To me, the answer is obvious, but you have to decide for yourself.

How much time do you spend on OMM per week and how much time do people usually spend studying for the COMPLEX?
 
Whatever you decide on doing, I wouldn't see how an SMP would be a huge benefit for you. I know you mention a low GPA, but if you got 3 MD interviews this cycle, seems like your app can't really have any glaring holes.

It's just that Temple and Tulane both have about 90% linkage with the med school.
 
This really isnt the type of question you just take an SDN survey of and use that to help guide your decision. For a question like this, honestly Id be rather skeptical of input from most who give you a definitive "Go" or "Dont go" because the majority of people who do likely dont understand the magnitude of the question, issues at play etc if they feel comfortable just giving a definitive answer for you and your life. You want a simple yes/no here but in reality nobody should be giving you that except yourself. Note this is a far different question than "I have a DO acceptance and no MD should I not go?"

If this were my decision based on my own goals/values/life situation etc and if those were my stats, no I wouldnt go. That doesn't mean you should or shouldnt at all. All Ill say is make up the decision about whether you'd attend reapply MD vs go DO now before you attend the interview. Getting a DO acceptance, no MD then realizing you dont want to go DO and are hellbent on reapplying MD would be the worst outcome here and is what you need to avoid.
 
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Only you can answer that question. Just be aware that the DO door you are closing by not interviewing is likely permanently closed.

By turning down an interview for one school, I'd close the door for all DO schools? I thought this would only be true if I turned down an acceptance. @Goro can you verify?
 
I'm in no position to talk or recommend. But it sounds like you don't want the DO route. Cause if someone really wanted to get in SOMEWHERE, I think they would jump at any possible opportunity available. I don't know, maybe I'm bias and I feel as though if I was sitting on no acceptance at all, I would take this chance in a heartbeat. No one can foresee what this upcoming cycle would be like.
Just be honest with what you want and I think no matter how things play out, you can always remind yourself that this was what you wanted at one point.
 
Are you okay having the chance of being a family medicine doctor, internal medicinist, or another non-competitive specialty? If you say no, you wouldn't want to do these; let someone else take the interview. My friend a D.O. is a surgeon, but he also is an extremely hard worker. The real question is if you can become a doctor with a non-competitive specialty. If you cannot, let it go.

I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying it's less likely.

@Goro What do you think?
This is something OP should have thought about before even applying DO
 
Go for it. You have everything to gain. I went to a LUCOM interview and loved it - something I did not expect at all.

Listen buddy, an acceptance is an acceptance and right now you've got none.
 
Weird how everyone just assumes you'll get into the DO school. If your answer for why DO isn't good and you don't have a DO letter, I wouldn't be surprised if you walked away with a rejection. Anyway, carry on.
 
Weird how everyone just assumes you'll get into the DO school. If your answer for why DO isn't good and you don't have a DO letter, I wouldn't be surprised if you walked away with a rejection. Anyway, carry on.

Very true.
 
Weird how everyone just assumes you'll get into the DO school. If your answer for why DO isn't good and you don't have a DO letter, I wouldn't be surprised if you walked away with a rejection. Anyway, carry on.

I don't assume I'll get in. Unless my likelihood of acceptance is under 20%, my actual odds of getting in don't really affect my decision of whether to attend the interview or not. Not sure why you're bringing this up.
 
Do you want to be a doctor?

Stats: LizzyM: 72.5 but with a low GPA and a downward trend. Above average to excellent EC's. Average LoRs.

I got 3 MD interviews only this cycle and I'm waiting to hear back from all of them. No waitlists so far. I'm also considering applying to SMP programs with very high linkage such as Tulane and Temple.

I just got my first DO interview invitation today and I'm wondering if I should attend. I know the pros and cons of either choice, I'm just wondering what you would do if you were in my situation and why.
 
Stats: LizzyM: 72.5 but with a low GPA and a downward trend. Above average to excellent EC's. Average LoRs.

I got 3 MD interviews only this cycle and I'm waiting to hear back from all of them. No waitlists so far. I'm also considering applying to SMP programs with very high linkage such as Tulane and Temple.

I just got my first DO interview invitation today and I'm wondering if I should attend. I know the pros and cons of either choice, I'm just wondering what you would do if you were in my situation and why.

Do you want to be a doctor?
 
Stats: LizzyM: 72.5 but with a low GPA and a downward trend. Above average to excellent EC's. Average LoRs.

I got 3 MD interviews only this cycle and I'm waiting to hear back from all of them. No waitlists so far. I'm also considering applying to SMP programs with very high linkage such as Tulane and Temple.

I just got my first DO interview invitation today and I'm wondering if I should attend. I know the pros and cons of either choice, I'm just wondering what you would do if you were in my situation and why.

Do you want to be a doctor?
 
Getting a DO acceptance, no MD then realizing you dont want to go DO and are hellbent on reapplying MD would be the worst outcome here and is what you need to avoid.

Yeah this is the situation I want to avoid. I don't want to close the door on all DO schools.

Thanks for the thoughtful advice especially @GrapesofRath and @ifnotnowwren. I'm leaning towards attending the interview, but I still need to think it over.
 
If you're like most people, this should be your algorithm:
1. MD
2. DO
3. Not a doctor
4. Caribbean

Well I heard great things about SGU

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Stats: LizzyM: 72.5 but with a low GPA and a downward trend. Above average to excellent EC's. Average LoRs.

I got 3 MD interviews only this cycle and I'm waiting to hear back from all of them. No waitlists so far. I'm also considering applying to SMP programs with very high linkage such as Tulane and Temple.

I just got my first DO interview invitation today and I'm wondering if I should attend. I know the pros and cons of either choice, I'm just wondering what you would do if you were in my situation and why.

Alright in all seriousness, this is a question that seems to be brought up consistently around this time, regarding interviews, acceptances etc. This is why it's stressed very heavily to only apply to schools where you can see yourself attending if that were your only acceptance. It's an important guideline, so crafting good school lists is essential.

Since you don't have any acceptances so far, the best approach is to continue interviewing and wait to hopefully get an acceptance by the end of this cycle. However, it's currently the end of March, so there is a possibility that you may end up interviewing for the waitlist, which may not be worth it.

The best method right now is to carefully assess the school and decide if it's worth attending. Ask yourself, can you see yourself being in this school for the next 4 years? If the answer is no, then, well, maybe it's not the best idea to interview there, even though you are sitting at no acceptances.

This is something you should analyze very carefully and avoid making any rash decisions.
 
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[I should read the entire thread before repeating what others have said.]
 
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Dearest Lulu, I'm leaning hard with @GrapesofRath on this one, and I'm going to respond at some length because your question and some of the responses underscore some of my frustration with SDN over my limited time here. And I say the latter while fully acknowledging that the site is phenomenal overall and personally has been a tremendous help to me personally.

It's not an easy call, and only you know all of the variables to come up with an answer. These are my thoughts. A SMP would be a big waste of time and guarantee you nothing. You got 3 MD interviews. Nothing to sneeze at. Yes, we are very late, but allow me to reference our very own fan fave @catie_jane. Just a few shortt weeks ago she posted an anticipatory re-application thread. Now she is basking in acceptances and posting UConn vs Jeff threads. She ended up turning down IIs. Fortunes and the picture any of us are looking at can change rapidly, even after enduring months of what seems like nothing or nothing but bad stuff. You may get in a MD school this cycle, and you may not. But your profile was good enough to generate IIs and so I would really think about investing in a SMP unless you have very specific knowledge that doing so is directly related to why you haven't gotten in so far. You could strengthen your app in a myriad of ways over another year.

This gets to another point that I think sometimes is lost here. We all look for and often presume THE reason. There may not be THE reason. And a reason may vary. What is a reason for some schools that didn't offer a II may be different from the reasons others didn't, and different still from the schools that did give you a II. Just as the schools that gave you a II may have liked and/or be concerned about different things. Maybe you have some insight about this (although I'm guessing you don't), but certainly the posters responding to you hear do not.

Here's the thing about mentioning a SMP form my viewpoint. That suggests that you are willing to sit out this cycle and possibly another one to reach your eventual goal. That suggests that you are willing to take another crack at the whole process. Assuming this was your first cycle, and based on your results so far this cycle, taking another shot, where you could again apply to a full range of MD schools and even more DO schools that you thought through more carefully, seems entirely reasonable.

I really think the "Do you really want to be a doctor?" and "Why did you apply if you wouldn't go there?" to be among the more unhelpful responses I see repeatedly churned out on this site. Maybe they simply reflect poster fatigue, or maybe they reflect the influence of SDN dogma that some try to apply in virtually all cases. I've made this point in other topic debates, but I think it is beyond ludicrous for anyone to suggest that a decision you might regret or do differently if you could do it over translates into making a horrible judgement in the OR 15 years from now. If an overall app reflects a pattern of poor judgment or cracking horribly under pressure, then fine. Blast away. But life doesn't work perfectly. And what looks smart 1o months ago may not look as smart now. Targets change. Everything is not static. Maybe you added a DO school for protection. Maybe professionals advised you to add a DO. I'd bet there are many who reflexively apply to a few MDs who would not have them on their list if they applied again. You also have to think through whether you would want to be in the position of turning down a med school acceptance as opposed to just turning down a II. The wisdom here suggests that turning down an acceptance could be lethal, although maybe that applies more to turning down a MD acceptance or turning down a DO acceptance (if the intention all along is DO).

You can't anticipate every eventuality. Now some clearly don't think through enough and one can tell that their cycle was destined to go poorly. But nobody applies perfectly, precisely because you can't perfectly anticipate some events that by their nature have a random or quasi-random component. You do your best and try to limit "mistakes" certainly, but they're still going to happen. SDN sometimes falls into hindsight criticisms and can be less helpful about what to do when something has already happened. And things "happen" at a far greater rate than things not happening. There needs to be more tolerance, and less of a quasi-moralistic, lecturing impulse, when things do happen.
 
If I were you, I would take the time to re-apply if I were 22/23 years old or younger. If not, I would go with the DO school so I can start as soon as possible.
 
If I were you, I would take the time to re-apply if I were 22/23 years old or younger. If not, I would go with the DO school so I can start as soon as possible.
I agree, it depends on your timetable. If you need to start next year then I would take the DO interview if your unsure your MD waitlists won't work out. I'm in a similar position and decided to apply and interview at DO schools as well because I would strongly prefer to start next year. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
Go to the interview. If you get in, that us great. Treat it as a learning experience. Hopefully you will be accepted at an MD school, but if you get this acceptance you can be a doctor. It has been a long, crazy season and I wouldn't go through it again without giving it my all. You may love the school.

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Wanted to give another shout out to @Nietzschelover for his measured and thoughtful response. As mentioned the single phrase responses are not helpful and minimize the gravity of OP's decision.

To provide a perspective from 7 years down the road: it sucks to be limited in what you can achieve despite putting in the effort and getting the requisite grades/scores. I'm very glad I went to a US MD school because I was able to forge my own path. I also went into this profession not just because I wanted a job or for the title. I wanted to make a difference - potentially be a leader in the field. That option is not available to the vast majority of DOs (>90% probably) who end up being community physicians. I already had a job and wasn't looking to do 7+ years of training simply to get a slightly higher paying job. This is your career and anyone who advocates changing the whole trajectory of your career just to "save" a year lacks perspective.

My thinking is that if I turn down the interview, I can apply to MD and DO next cycle and get another shot at MD this way. Whereas if I attend the interview and am accepted, I can't turn down the acceptance without closing the door on DO entirely.

If you get accepted to a DO school and turn it down you can still get in the following cycle (probably not to the same school), there are at least a few examples of this happening on SDN.

I've done my research on this. The only residencies that are exceedingly hard for DOs to get (Derm, Neurosurgery, Ophthalmology, Rad Onc), I'm sure I won't be interested in so I don't think this will be an issue.

You clearly haven't done your research. While you're right that certain specialties are astronomically hard for DOs to enter (like the ones you listed), DOs are also shut out from a large swath of residency programs in other fields such as surgery, IM, pediatrics, etc. (almost all the residency programs you've heard of)

Bottom line: you clearly are not comfortable giving up on US MD and all the advantages that come with it, it is very reasonable to hope for the best from this cycle and decline the DO interview. THen next year reapply to both and if you are still unsuccessful with US MD you can consider DO or an alternative career path. A lot of people on SDN are very cult-ish about becoming a physician. I'm not one of them. As i told my interviewer at SUNY Buffalo 7 years ago I would not have even reapplied had I not been accepted during my first cycle (applied MD only) and looking back now as I wrap up residency I would have still given the exact same answer. It is unimaginable to me to go through this long journey with all the sacrifices involved just to have my options limited at the end.

Also I see that you are directing a lot of your questions at Goro. Be careful: as a DO school adcom his primary purpose is to promote the DO brand as evidenced by his very predictable responses.

I will stop there. If you want to chat more feel free to PM me.
 
That option is not available to the vast majority of DOs (>90% probably) who end up being community physicians.

While I 100% agree with your sentiment and thoughts I don't know why you say things like this when honestly the large majority of physicians, DO or MD, end up being community physicians... Let's not pretend that a large majority of MDs end up doing the same thing. It's not a phenomenon limited to DOs
 
While I 100% agree with your sentiment and thoughts I don't know why you say things like this when honestly the large majority of physicians, DO or MD, end up being community physicians... Let's not pretend that a large majority of MDs end up doing the same thing. It's not a phenomenon limited to DOs
He's referring to the availability of the academic (i.e. leadership) option for MDs vs DOs. It's more difficult for a DO to match into an academic residency in a lot of fields.
 
He's referring to the availability of the academic (i.e. leadership) option for MDs vs DOs. It's more difficult for a DO to match into an academic residency in a lot of fields.

You also have to keep in mind MT is in IM, a field where many of the top residency programs do not take DOs(some of these same programs take IMG/FMGs from certain schools).
 
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