Just got accepted into a school, but...

[Promethean]

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Almost everyone will try to show remorse once caught when doing something illegal... in any case, I believe people who can and will make bad decisions such as these should not become physicians. This isn't some minor drug possession charge or DUI. Shoplifting is a serious offense. It shows you have no consideration for other people and knowingly tried to steal from them. It shows that the intent is there.

Wow. I don't even know what to say. You put drunk driving and substance abuse into a less serious category than stealing food. Drunk driving, which actually kills innocent people, you think that is not a serious offense. Or at least, not as terrible as stealing food.

I guess I'm done here. I don't even know how to approach reasoning like that.

Just to be very clear... you've never downloaded music without paying for it? Or maybe shared a copy of some software or streamed a movie or tv show from an off shore site to keep from paying for it? I just want to know if you are the one who gets to throw the first stone?

 

[mathnerd88]

Wow. I don't even know what to say. You put drunk driving and substance abuse into a less serious category than stealing food. Drunk driving, which actually kills innocent people, you think that is not a serious offense. Or at least, not as terrible as stealing food.

I guess I'm done here. I don't even know how to approach reasoning like that.

Just to be very clear... you've never downloaded music without paying for it? Or maybe shared a copy of some software or streamed a movie or tv show from an off shore site to keep from paying for it? I just want to know if you are the one who gets to throw the first stone?

The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there.

The reason why DUI is egregious is because people are unintentionally killed as a result of DUI. I consider it differently than shoplifting. Luckily, I don't even drink. What I consider dangerous is having willful intent to harm others.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there.

The reason why DUI is egregious is because people are unintentionally killed as a result of DUI. I consider it differently than shoplifting. Luckily, I don't even drink.

As for downloading music, I happily pay my subscription to Spotify, so there you go.

 

[mathnerd88]

I believe you know what I mean by my statement. Loss of consciousness and awareness and what happens afterwards is very different than consciously harming others with intent. If I go and punch and or stab someone with intent to harm them, do you believe that DUI and substance abuse (like smoking weed) are worse? Not every DUI and every substance abuse ends up harming others, but all punching and stabbing do.

That's why there are varying degrees of murder and manslaughter.

Those who are accepted into medical school with records are usually those with minor possession of marijuana or DUI, after years of demonstrating good behavior. I'm not trying to downplay DUI or substance abuse, but I consider intent seriously. I believe those who have intent to do harm to others should not be physicians. However, I do believe in redemption and that people can change.

 

[costales]

Walmart won't hire OP. 'Nuff said.

 

[echo87]

The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there.

The reason why DUI is egregious is because people are unintentionally killed as a result of DUI. I consider it differently than shoplifting. Luckily, I don't even drink. What I consider dangerous is having willful intent to harm others.

you have got to be kidding me
I'm actually cringing IRL

the guy put some food in his pocket from a grocery store and you're over here talking about DUI like "technically it's not INTENTIONALLY harmful BUT SHOPLIFTING IS"

 

[catie_jane]

I was just reading another thread like this earlier today, but the person had been charged with a DUI.

It seemed like the advice that applicant was getting was that he would be okay as long as he came clean. I'm confused seeing as how I consider shop lifting the lesser of the two evils?

Edit: Here is the thread for reference
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/post-acceptance-dui.1185038/#post-17460740

 

[dramatrauma]

I believe you know what I mean by my statement. Loss of consciousness and awareness and what happens afterwards is very different than consciously harming others with intent. If I go and punch and or stab someone with intent to harm them, do you believe that DUI and substance abuse (like smoking weed) are worse? Not every DUI and every substance abuse ends up harming others, but all punching and stabbing do.

That's why there are varying degrees of murder and manslaughter.

Those who are accepted into medical school with records are usually those with minor possession of marijuana or DUI, after years of demonstrating good behavior. I'm not trying to downplay DUI or substance abuse, but I consider intent seriously. I believe those who have intent to do harm to others should not be physicians. However, I do believe in redemption and that people can change.

Are we giving OP the benefit of the doubt and saying his/her shoplifting was due to a "loss of consciousness and awareness?" First, I strongly doubt this was OP's first attempt at thievery. Most thieves start small and become emboldened with every success- until they get caught. And, just because a person chooses to ignore the harm their actions are causing others (even if it's not a direct, injurious crime) doesn't mean that there's no intent to harm. It's willful ignorance and a casual disregard because the harm isn't as noticeable.

 

[kenjixshadow]

I was just reading another thread like this earlier today, but the person had been charged with a DUI.

It seemed like the advice that applicant was getting was that he would be okay as long as he came clean. I'm confused seeing as how I consider shop lifting the lesser of the two evils?

Edit: Here is the thread for reference
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/post-acceptance-dui.1185038/#post-17460740

It isn't. This is dependent on the school. If OP were to accept at my school, it'd be rescind. There are hundred other qualified students out there to choose from. Moreover, OP isn't even trying to be sorry for his/her action and hoping that the record isn't there.

 

[kilez12]

The amount of judgement on this thread is baffling to me...

 

[mathnerd88]

you have got to be kidding me
I'm actually cringing IRL

the guy put some food in his pocket from a grocery store and you're over here talking about DUI like "technically it's not INTENTIONALLY harmful BUT SHOPLIFTING IS"

I was just reading another thread like this earlier today, but the person had been charged with a DUI.

It seemed like the advice that applicant was getting was that he would be okay as long as he came clean. I'm confused seeing as how I consider shop lifting the lesser of the two evils?

Edit: Here is the thread for reference
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/post-acceptance-dui.1185038/#post-17460740

Well, I didn't realize people would get super sensitive over my comment. I never said DUI and drug possession as the "lesser of the two evils." But in terms of integrity and conscious intent to harm (both being crucial when it comes to medicine) shoplifting is worse than DUI or drug possession.

No one on here is encouraging anyone to break laws either.

 

[mathnerd88]

Are we giving OP the benefit of the doubt and saying his/her shoplifting was due to a "loss of consciousness and awareness?" First, I strongly doubt this was OP's first attempt at thievery. Most thieves start small and become emboldened with every success- until they get caught. And, just because a person chooses to ignore the harm their actions are causing others (even if it's not a direct, injurious crime) doesn't mean that there's no intent to harm. It's willful ignorance and a casual disregard because the harm isn't as noticeable.

You are correct. The waters are definitely muddled there. With shoplifting there really is no question whether the person had intent to harm or had willful ignorance.

 

[catie_jane]

Well, I didn't realize people would get super sensitive over my comment. I never said DUI and drug possession as the "lesser of the two evils." But in terms of integrity and conscious intent to harm (both being crucial when it comes to medicine) shoplifting is worse than DUI or drug possession.

No one on here is encouraging anyone to break laws either.

I didn't read your comment to be honest.

I was just commenting on the big difference in advice given between the two threads
DUI thread - wont likely end up rescinding the acceptance if you come clean
This thread - your career is over no matter what

 

[hopefulERdoc251]

The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there.

The reason why DUI is egregious is because people are unintentionally killed as a result of DUI. I consider it differently than shoplifting. Luckily, I don't even drink. What I consider dangerous is having willful intent to harm others.

How on Earth did you go your entire undergraduate career/clinical experience, or even college/life experience without coming across multiple instances where this was NOT true...........

 

[mathnerd88]

How on Earth did you go your entire undergraduate career/clinical experience, or even college/life experience without coming across multiple instances where this was NOT true...........

Of course DUI kills people. I never said it didn't. But there's no intent there to harm or some form of premeditation. These things are accidental deaths but to prevent them they're made illegal.

I don't know what you're implying with your post.

 

[hopefulERdoc251]

Well, I didn't realize people would get super sensitive over my comment. I never said DUI and drug possession as the "lesser of the two evils." But in terms of integrity and conscious intent to harm (both being crucial when it comes to medicine) shoplifting is worse than DUI or drug possession.

No one on here is encouraging anyone to break laws either.

Your reasoning is still way out there in left field. You actually think somebody who shoplifted FOOD is more in the wrong than somebody who is driving under the influence of Narcs, alcohol, marijuana? Who cares if there is no intent, fact of the matter is that in both instances, somebody made a boneheaded decision. The difference is that in choice A, nobody was harmed except the owner of the store financially, which can still be recovered. In the latter situation, somebody's life could be prematurely ended. Somebody could be left incapacitated for the rest of their life. That cannot be recovered no matter how much money is thrown at them. As somebody who lost a close friend as a result of some *****'s drunken choice to drive, I would have to STRONGLY disagree with you.

 

[hopefulERdoc251]

Of course DUI kills people. I never said it didn't. But there's no intent there to harm or some form of premeditation. These things are accidental deaths but to prevent them they're made illegal.

I'm not even referencing that, I'm referencing the statement about how substance abuse doesn't affect anybody but the abuser.

 

[mathnerd88]

I'm not even referencing that, I'm referencing the statement about how substance abuse doesn't affect anybody but the abuser.

If you read a couple of posts above, we were talking about minor drug possession charges. Somehow, it got spinned to substance abuse.

 

[DrMikeP]

If you read a couple of posts above, we were talking about minor drug possession charges. Somehow, it got spinned to substance abuse.

Poor judgment is poor judgment! Part of getting into med school is demonstrated good judgment! Any recent lapse in judgment brings into question your quality as a student and future physician. Doesn't matter if it's a DUI, substances, theft, assaulting an uber driver or whatever. There are 5,000 other applicants who haven't, so for a med school they have to decide if it's worth their name/reputation/aggrivation if you screw up again. They may or may not give another chance but in this age hiding it is almost impossible and if you get caught lying that makes it even worse.

 

[echo87]

Well, I didn't realize people would get super sensitive over my comment. I never said DUI and drug possession as the "lesser of the two evils." But in terms of integrity and conscious intent to harm (both being crucial when it comes to medicine) shoplifting is worse than DUI or drug possession.

No one on here is encouraging anyone to break laws either.

Guy, your comments are objectively over the top. One does not have to be "sensitive" to think that you are lacking a sense of reason.

 

[mathnerd88]

Guy, your comments are objectively over the top. One does not have to be "sensitive" to think that you are lacking a sense of reason.

Explain objectively, how I lacked reason?

 

[echo87]

Explain objectively, how I lacked reason?

OP posts that he got charged with shoplifting.
Charge has not been taken to trial, where it could break a variety of different ways, including dropping of misdemeanor (very likely).
Start citing NJ law (actual law?) with weird legal strategy and anecdote
"This isn't some minor drug possession charge or DUI. Shoplifting is a serious offense." -You
"The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there." -You

Honestly...
I'm not trying to defend OP's action but like 95% of this thread is making high horse statements and it's kind of unnerving

 

[mathnerd88]

OP posts that he got charged with shoplifting.
Charge has not been taken to trial, where it could break a variety of different ways, including dropping of misdemeanor (very likely).
Start citing NJ law (actual law?) with weird legal strategy and anecdote
"This isn't some minor drug possession charge or DUI. Shoplifting is a serious offense." -You
"The difference is, the intent is not there to HARM others when you're committing DUI. Substance abuse only affects yourself, and doesn't affect others either. The intent to harm others isn't there." -You

Honestly...
I'm not trying to defend OP's action but like 95% of this thread is making high horse statements and it's kind of unnerving

OP posts he got charged with shoplifting and even admitted the crime on a public forum as a matriculating medical student. Of course most people on SDN are going to respond negatively to his predicament. Shoplifting, at least to me, demonstrates a quality not fit for a physician, worse than minor drug possession charge. We are held to the highest standard when it comes to integrity. The only thing the OP can do is admit his mistake and mature from this experience.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

OP posts he got charged with shoplifting and even admitted the crime on a public forum as a matriculating medical student. Of course most people on SDN are going to respond negatively to his predicament. Shoplifting, at least to me, demonstrates a quality not fit for a physician, worse than minor drug possession charge. We are held to the highest standard when it comes to integrity. The only thing the OP can do is admit his mistake and mature from this experience.

I believe in most states minor drug possession is a felony.

 

[DetectiveAlonzo]

Go home Mathnerd! You're drunkkkkkkk.

 

[mathnerd88]

Go home Mathnerd! You're drunkkkkkkk.

Perhaps. I'll take a cab.

 

[Bones 2020]

This thread should have ended after the first post

 

[hopefulERdoc251]

OP posts he got charged with shoplifting and even admitted the crime on a public forum as a matriculating medical student. Of course most people on SDN are going to respond negatively to his predicament. Shoplifting, at least to me, demonstrates a quality not fit for a physician, worse than minor drug possession charge. We are held to the highest standard when it comes to integrity. The only thing the OP can do is admit his mistake and mature from this experience.

Just out of curiosity, on a tangent since we're talking about moral integrity, what's your take on a physician or a student who cheats on their significant other/wife? Are they undeserving to be a physician?

Also, you are still out of your mind if you'd rather have a physician who shoots heroin or deals narcotics over somebody who tried to steal food.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Since this threads going another direction, I might as well plunge it further. Would you rather have a doctor that drinks (an alcoholic, but keeps work separate from drinking) or not at all? Now I take away all legality from the issue and focus on morals. I would pick the latter over the former. What is your stance I ask everyone?

 

[mathnerd88]

Just out of curiosity, on a tangent since we're talking about moral integrity, what's your take on a physician or a student who cheats on their significant other/wife? Are they undeserving to be a physician?

Also, you are still out of your mind if you'd rather have a physician who shoots heroin or deals narcotics over somebody who tried to steal food.

First of all, cheating isn't breaking the law, so I don't have any problems with that. Sure, their moral integrity is questionable, but I would try not to seek advice from those physicians for situations that deal with morality.

Second of all, we started off with minor drug possession (I assumed it meant small amounts of weed,) which is now legal in many states. You know where I'm going with this. Stop harping on the "hard drugs." Those who abuse hard drugs are not deserving to be a physician because they can easily access many hard drugs.

 

[Promethean]

Just out of curiosity, on a tangent since we're talking about moral integrity, what's your take on a physician or a student who cheats on their significant other/wife? Are they undeserving to be a physician?

Also, you are still out of your mind if you'd rather have a physician who shoots heroin or deals narcotics over somebody who tried to steal food.

Remember now, in the originally posed scenario, it was just a "minor drug possession" charge. Because of course, everyone who is ever caught with a few Vicodin learns their lesson and stops there. They can totally be trusted to prescribe and have access to controlled substances. However, a person who takes food without paying for it was really trying to hurt someone by depriving them of a few dollars, and exhibits behavior that will necessarily escalate to grand theft auto if they are allowed to become a physician.

Infidelity is like copyright violation, in that it is something done by so very many people. I can't count the number of doctors, nurses, etc. that I've worked with over the years who had affairs with people they met at work. No, I'm not saying that is commendable behavior, but if it were cause for ejecting someone from the profession, we would be quite short handed.

Of course the profession needs to protect itself by excluding those who are of genuinely flawed moral character, particularly at this early stage, before they have invested too much in a career with they are unfit to pursue. But if even an accusation of wrong doing, without conviction, is adequate to shut someone out... that is excessive.

 

[Promethean]

First of all, cheating isn't breaking the law, so I don't have any problems with that. Sure, their moral integrity is questionable, but I would try not to seek advice from those physicians for situations that deal with morality.

Second of all, we started off with minor drug possession (I assumed it meant small amounts of weed,) which is now legal in many states. You know where I'm going with this. Stop harping on the "hard drugs." Those who abuse hard drugs are not deserving to be a physician because they can easily access many hard drugs.

But adultery is breaking the law. It is a misdemeanor in several states and a felony in a few. It isn't usually prosecuted (unless you are in the military,) but it is illegal. You don't even know why you are picking and choosing which behaviors you are most offended by... your criteria are not consistent.

"Minor drug possession" doesn't just mean weed. It can mean small quantities of cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates. Where you are going with this is minimizing something that you personally feel is not harmful, while attempting to paint theft of food as a deliberate and malicious intent to harm someone else by depriving them of payment.

The person who buys illegal drugs does not do it out of a desire to hurt someone else. However, the money they spend funds violence and organized crime. (Even weed.)
The person who steals food doesn't intend to hurt the store owner by the money they didn't spend. They, like your minor drug offender, just intended to meet their own need without giving a lot of thought to how it impacted others.

If that really is the way the person generally deals with the world, then yes, they should not become a doctor. But I don't think that is the case here. This is someone who was admitted to medical school... they have likely done significant volunteering, and have certainly put in a lot of effort to get to this point. Such a person, still young, can do something foolish without it being evidence that they are irredeemably immoral.

 

[TallPreMed]

If substance abuse only harms the person using like @mathnerd88 then I guess all of those anonymous groups for family members of addicts are useless then.

Seriously dude? You're that myopic?

 

[mathnerd88]

If substance abuse only harms the person using like @mathnerd88 then I guess all of those anonymous groups for family members of addicts are useless then.

Seriously dude? You're that myopic?

Let's drop this conversation. It isn't going anywhere. I don't need to constantly repeat myself.

I'm not condoning one illegal act over another. I'm not saying it is better to commit DUI or having drug possession. They're all bad crimes to commit. My point was saying how some states now allow possession of marijuana in small amounts when previously it was deemed illegal. It was the original intention and not meant to go into harder, unsafe drug habits. However, DUI and minor drug possession doesn't mean you have bad integrity. Shoplifting does.

Also, those who have committed crimes and were accepted showed a lot of reinvention and years of good behavior. For the OP, this one charge shows a lack of maturity, and a lack of integrity right before attending medical school. It is likely that he/she require years of good behavior to make up for this.

 

[mathnerd88]

But adultery is breaking the law. It is a misdemeanor in several states and a felony in a few. It isn't usually prosecuted (unless you are in the military,) but it is illegal. You don't even know why you are picking and choosing which behaviors you are most offended by... your criteria are not consistent.

"Minor drug possession" doesn't just mean weed. It can mean small quantities of cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates. Where you are going with this is minimizing something that you personally feel is not harmful, while attempting to paint theft of food as a deliberate and malicious intent to harm someone else by depriving them of payment.

The person who buys illegal drugs does not do it out of a desire to hurt someone else. However, the money they spend funds violence and organized crime. (Even weed.)
The person who steals food doesn't intend to hurt the store owner by the money they didn't spend. They, like your minor drug offender, just intended to meet their own need without giving a lot of thought to how it impacted others.

If that really is the way the person generally deals with the world, then yes, they should not become a doctor. But I don't think that is the case here. This is someone who was admitted to medical school... they have likely done significant volunteering, and have certainly put in a lot of effort to get to this point. Such a person, still young, can do something foolish without it being evidence that they are irredeemably immoral.

Nobody said irredeemable. It would take years of reinvention to make up for it. My original post said it would set the OP back many years.

Same goes with anyone who is charged with a crime.

 

[j4pac]

OP posts he got charged with shoplifting and even admitted the crime on a public forum as a matriculating medical student. Of course most people on SDN are going to respond negatively to his predicament. Shoplifting, at least to me, demonstrates a quality not fit for a physician, worse than minor drug possession charge. We are held to the highest standard when it comes to integrity. The only thing the OP can do is admit his mistake and mature from this experience.

I shoplifted when I was a teenager. You're poor...you want stuff...you steal. It wasn't right...I knew it was wrong. When I got busted for it I knew I was wrong and I was going to pay the penalty. I needed a wake up call, and I received it. I haven't stolen since, and I never will. Sometimes people need a wake up call. I'm going to state it as plain as plain can get...you are full of ****. To imply that by shoplifting you can never turn your life around and be a great physician shows that you understand very little bit about the world in which you live. The OP screwed up...and he will pay. He likely will never be a physician...but you need to quit it with "the shoplifter is the scum of the earth BS." A PD out there will accept him to medical school if he finds a way to prove that his shenanigans are over and that he is reformed. It's not going to be easy, but it is possible.

 

[DetectiveAlonzo]

lol Mathnerd is taking more Ls than Meek Mill lately.

#Savage

 

[mathnerd88]

I shoplifted when I was a teenager. You're poor...you want stuff...you steal. It wasn't right...I knew it was wrong. When I got busted for it I knew I was wrong and I was going to pay the penalty. I needed a wake up call, and I received it. I haven't stolen since, and I never will. Sometimes people need a wake up call. I'm going to state it as plain as plain can get...you are full of ****. To imply that by shoplifting you can never turn your life around and be a great physician shows that you understand very little bit about the world in which you live. The OP screwed up...and he will pay. He likely will never be a physician...but you need to quit it with "the shoplifter is the scum of the earth BS." A PD out there will accept him to medical school if he finds a way to prove that his shenanigans are over and that he is reformed. It's not going to be easy, but it is possible.

Uh that wasn't what I was saying. I said the OP would need years of reinvention to get out of that situation, as with anyone who got charged with a crime, especially so recently. Some people in this thread just like to spin my words around and make statements into a bigger deal than it really is. There are plenty of crimes way worse than shoplifting.

As a matriculating medical student in that situation, the OP demonstrated he was not ready for medical school due to his immaturity and lack of integrity.

 

[j4pac]

Uh that wasn't what I was saying. I said the OP would need years of reinvention to get out of that situation, as with anyone who got charged with a crime, especially so recently. Some people in this thread just like to spin my words around and make statements into a bigger deal than it really is.

Sure buddy...everyone is illiterate here...and you are the one that's misunderstood. Stop insulting my intelligence. You did say that he needed to reinvent himself...after you vilified the guy. That's not needed. It's not going to help the OP going forward...it is only going to allow you to get on your soapbox.

 

[mathnerd88]

Sure buddy...everyone is illiterate here...and you are the one that's misunderstood. Stop insulting my intelligence. You did say that he needed to reinvent himself...after you vilified the guy. That's not needed. It's not going to help the OP going forward...it is only going to allow you to get on your soapbox.

I'm sure the OP got the advice he needed from the first couple of posts in this thread. None of anything afterwards is needed, including this drama. I apologize that I made it worse because things have been twisted.

 

[NoTownPreMed]

It kills me to see posts like this come up every now and then. Individuals given the golden opportunity to become something MANY people would give up a limb for. I hope everything works well for you OP. 👍

 

[Promethean]

Same goes with anyone who is charged with a crime.

Here's the thing with that... charged isn't convicted. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Yes, even with a heartfelt and remorseful confession here on these forums, OP still hasn't been convicted of anything.

There is a reason that the legal system is set up that way, so that people cannot have their lives ruined by false accusations and misunderstandings. Especially in a world where so many are ready to pass instant judgment on others without a full appreciation of the circumstances.

Please understand... as much as I have been arguing with you, I don't mean you personally any disrespect. This is just a conversation, one that I think is worth having because it allows us to hear and consider viewpoints other than our own. That is valuable in itself. The thread stopped being of practical use to the OP after the first few times that s/he was advised to get a lawyer. There is really nothing more that anyone can do to help with the situation that spawned the discussion. Continuing it past that point is about exploring one another's ideas on this topic (and creating an archive of that discussion that can hopefully be useful in some way to someone who happens across it via search.)

I just sense that you are feeling attacked, and I wanted to be very explicit that I have no animosity toward you over our differences of opinion.

 

[mathnerd88]

Here's the thing with that... charged isn't convicted. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Yes, even with a heartfelt and remorseful confession here on these forums, OP still hasn't been convicted of anything.

There is a reason that the legal system is set up that way, so that people cannot have their lives ruined by false accusations and misunderstandings. Especially in a world where so many are ready to pass instant judgment on others without a full appreciation of the circumstances.

Please understand... as much as I have been arguing with you, I don't mean you personally any disrespect. This is just a conversation, one that I think is worth having because it allows us to hear and consider viewpoints other than our own. That is valuable in itself. The thread stopped being of practical use to the OP after the first few times that s/he was advised to get a lawyer. There is really nothing more that anyone can do to help with the situation that spawned the discussion. Continuing it past that point is about exploring one another's ideas on this topic (and creating an archive of that discussion that can hopefully be useful in some way to someone who happens across it via search.)

I just sense that you are feeling attacked, and I wanted to be very explicit that I have no animosity toward you over our differences of opinion.

Well, to be honest, the reason why I criticized the guy was because it just disappoints me to see a student ruin his/her future career because of a mistake such as that. I was just agreeing with an earlier post and this heated discussion started to spawn. I didn't intend for it to go this far.

 

[673441]

I can't sugar coat this. In my opinion, your medical career is over.

You're going to have to report the arrest; check with AACOMAS procedure to verify.

You really can't say that for certain. This is in the early stages of litigation and (if a good defense is mounted) it won't probably go further than a civil infraction since it's a first offense. Courts are more lenient to the very well represented people of the USA! So get representation ASAP!!!


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[673441]

Well, to be honest, the reason why I criticized the guy was because it just disappoints me to see a student ruin his/her future career because of a mistake such as that. I was just agreeing with an earlier post and this heated discussion started to spawn. I didn't intend for it to go this far.

Well they don't call it a mistake for nothing...

"Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." -Ghandi



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[aalamruad]

You really can't say that for certain. This is in the early stages of litigation and (if a good defense is mounted) it won't probably go further than a civil infraction since it's a first offense. Courts are more lenient to the very well represented people of the USA! So get representation ASAP!!!


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He didn't say it for certain. He said "in my opinion."

Frankly (and on a note unrelated to your post), the thought that some great applicant out there might not become a doctor if OP ends up matriculating makes me cringe. I don't understand the urge of some people to try to help OP get out of this situation.

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[Goro]

AACOMAS rules probably state that they have top be contacted over something like this; AMCAS sure does.

You really can't say that for certain. This is in the early stages of litigation and (if a good defense is mounted) it won't probably go further than a civil infraction since it's a first offense. Courts are more lenient to the very well represented people of the USA! So get representation ASAP!!!


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[DoReMiFaSo]

lol Mathnerd is taking more Ls than Meek Mill lately.

#Savage

"Oh man, oh man, oh man, not again... back to back..."

 

[echo87]

I'm sure the OP got the advice he needed from the first couple of posts in this thread. None of anything afterwards is needed, including this drama. I apologize that I made it worse because things have been twisted.

You ought to take a real hard look at your thought process if you think WE are the ones twisting things around.

 

[mathnerd88]

You ought to take a real hard look at your thought process if you think WE are the ones twisting things around.

I don't want to continue this drama, but the confusion was the part when "minor drug possession" became substance abuse. They're not the same. Let's be mature, and just drop the discussion. My intention was not to make this worse by saying "DUI and minor drug possession" are lesser crimes. In fact, they are much worse crimes than just simple shoplifting a pack of gum. Substance abuse is generally caused by an addiction that is considered a disease. I doubt most of those abusers do it to intentionally harm friends/family.

Again, we all have our different opinions. I was looking at the situation from just one aspect- integrity and premeditated intent which I hold dear to medicine. All in all, if you compare degrees of "what's worse?" That's for the law to decide. I prefer to see a physician who've had one DUI than another one whom I know who have stolen items. After all, he might just steal my stuff when I'm not looking in the office. I know many patients leave behind valuables (with the doctor saying your stuff would be safe) in the office while going off to get shots or some kind of treatment. But that's just my opinion. You guys can have your own.

Just accept that everyone has different thresholds of "what's worse?" Some people might consider simple weed possession to be bad, while others consider it to be not a big deal. One misdemeanor in one state may be a felony in another.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my earlier posts, and people started jumping on me because of my blanket statement that one crime isn't as serious as another. Perhaps I phrased it wrongly and was not my intention and was written in the heat of the moment because I felt I was being personally attacked for my beliefs in the matter. Hopefully this clears it all up.

OP, my recommendation to you is not to post crimes that you may have committed in an open public forum such as this one. If this thread was found, it could be used against you in a court of law. We all know the story of that Miami doctor who was publicly humiliated for disorderly conduct while intoxicated. There's even a dedicated website which absolutely trashes her. You should follow the law from now on, and report that you have been charged to AACOMAS and the schools you've been accepted to. You have to come clean, because this is the first step in fixing your integrity. Your history should only be on a "need to know" basis, just like PHI.