Just saw a DO on a TV commercial...

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BigRock said:
do you guys realize that you all just get a little too crazy? like, relax, there is no "m.d./d.o. WAR" going on here.
it was just a statement.
if you all act like this when you are physicians, you will have no patients
relax :eek: :scared: :idea:

C'mon dude, who the hell words a sentence like that without meaning that what follows the "but" is a statement of inferiority. :rolleyes:

Here are some examples:

"I just got a new car! But, it is a yugo."
"I hear you just won a new computer?" "Yeah, but it is a compaq."
"He got into a medical school, but it was a DO."
"Well, we have a new president! But, it is George Bush."
"I got my tax refund! But, it is only $1.46."

To word the same thing a different way:

"Oh how wonderful, you're having a baby! Is it a boy or girl?"
"Girl."
"Oh."

"Oh you are going to medical school? Where?"
"Osteopathic Medical School"
"Oh."

Do you see how that sentence formulation works? What it actually represents? If you weren't intending it to be an inflammatory remark about DO/MD, then you should work on your syntax.

If you say things like that and react the way you did to the responses when you are a physician, well then... you will just be a jerk.

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cyclohexanol said:
C'mon dude, who the hell words a sentence like that without meaning that what follows the "but" is a statement of inferiority. :rolleyes:

Here are some examples:

"I just got a new car! But, it is a yugo."
"I hear you just won a new computer?" "Yeah, but it is a compaq."
"He got into a medical school, but it was a DO."
"Well, we have a new president! But, it is George Bush."
"I got my tax refund! But, it is only $1.46."

To word the same thing a different way:

"Oh how wonderful, you're having a baby! Is it a boy or girl?"
"Girl."
"Oh."

"Oh you are going to medical school? Where?"
"Osteopathic Medical School"
"Oh."

Do you see how that sentence formulation works? What it actually represents? If you weren't intending it to be an inflammatory remark about DO/MD, then you should work on your syntax.

If you say things like that and react the way you did to the responses when you are a physician, well then... you will just be a jerk.

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Well said
 
cyclohexanol said:
C'mon dude, who the hell words a sentence like that without meaning that what follows the "but" is a statement of inferiority. :rolleyes:

Here are some examples:
"I hear you just won a new computer?" "Yeah, but it is a compaq."

What the....insulting Compaq. Dems fightin' words.
 
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cyclohexanol said:
C'mon dude, who the hell words a sentence like that without meaning that what follows the "but" is a statement of inferiority. :rolleyes:

Here are some examples:

"I just got a new car! But, it is a yugo."
"I hear you just won a new computer?" "Yeah, but it is a compaq."
"He got into a medical school, but it was a DO."
"Well, we have a new president! But, it is George Bush."
"I got my tax refund! But, it is only $1.46."

To word the same thing a different way:

"Oh how wonderful, you're having a baby! Is it a boy or girl?"
"Girl."
"Oh."

"Oh you are going to medical school? Where?"
"Osteopathic Medical School"
"Oh."

Do you see how that sentence formulation works? What it actually represents? If you weren't intending it to be an inflammatory remark about DO/MD, then you should work on your syntax.

If you say things like that and react the way you did to the responses when you are a physician, well then... you will just be a jerk.

:thumbdown:


I agree, well said.
 
BigRock said:
I agree, y'all are corny!

I hope they teach you humility at SUNY Buffalo.

Your comment obviously offended more than one person, and instead of apologizing you just blew it off as if everyone else is just overreacting. Even if there isn't a "DO/MD war" as you say, which is neither here nor there, you should be aware of how your comments affect others and at least consider some sensitivity. Instead, you just insist that everyone else is crazy for reacting the way they did.

Take some responsibility man. If you offend people, attempt reconciliation rather than further alienation. If you made some inflammatory remark along those same lines towards a patient, I wouldn't be surprised if they a) take a swing at you b) file a complaint against you or c) sue you, neither one of which is very pleasant, nor would either be unwarranted.
 
OH SNAP...guess the results aren't so faaantastic after all!
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May 1, 2009

FDA Warns Consumers to Stop Using Hydroxycut Products
Dietary Supplements Linked to One Death; Pose Risk of Liver Injury
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers to immediately stop using Hydroxycut products by Iovate Health Sciences Inc., of Oakville, Ontario and distributed by Iovate Health Sciences USA Inc. of Blasdell, N.Y. Some Hydroxycut products are associated with a number of serious liver injuries. Iovate has agreed to recall Hydroxycut products from the market.
The FDA has received 23 reports of serious health problems ranging from jaundice and elevated liver enzymes, an indicator of potential liver injury, to liver damage requiring liver transplant. One death due to liver failure has been reported to the FDA. Other health problems reported include seizures; cardiovascular disorders; and rhabdomyolysis, a type of muscle damage that can lead to other serious health problems such as kidney failure.
Liver injury, although rare, was reported by patients at the doses of Hydroxycut recommended on the bottle. Symptoms of liver injury include jaundice (yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes) and brown urine. Other symptoms include nausea, vomiting, light-colored stools, excessive fatigue, weakness, stomach or abdominal pain, itching, and loss of appetite.

"The FDA urges consumers to discontinue use of Hydroxycut products in order to avoid any undue risk. Adverse events are rare, but exist. Consumers should consult a physician or other health care professional if they are experiencing symptoms possibly associated with these products," said Linda Katz, M.D., interim chief medical officer of the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

Hydroxycut products are dietary supplements that are marketed for weight-loss, as fat burners, as energy-enhancers, as low carb diet aids, and for water loss under the Iovate and MuscleTech brand names. The list of products being recalled by Iovate currently includes:
Hydroxycut Regular Rapid Release Caplets
Hydroxycut Caffeine-Free Rapid Release Caplets
Hydroxycut Hardcore Liquid Caplets
Hydroxycut Max Liquid Caplets
Hydroxycut Regular Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Caffeine-Free Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Hardcore Drink Packets (Ignition Stix)
Hydroxycut Max Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Liquid Shots
Hydroxycut Hardcore RTDs (Ready-to-Drink)
Hydroxycut Max Aqua Shed
Hydroxycut 24
Hydroxycut Carb Control
Hydroxycut Natural
Although the FDA has not received reports of serious liver-related adverse reactions for all Hydroxycut products, Iovate has agreed to recall all the products listed above. Hydroxycut Cleanse and Hoodia products are not affected by the recall. Consumers who have any of the products involved in the recall are advised to stop using them and to return them to the place of purchase. The agency has not yet determined which ingredients, dosages, or other health-related factors may be associated with risks related to these Hydroxycut products. The products contain a variety of ingredients and herbal extracts.
Health care professionals and consumers are encouraged to report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems with the use of these products to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online, by regular mail, fax or phone.

–Online: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm
–Regular Mail: Use FDA postage paid form 3500 found at: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/getforms.htm and mail to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787
–Fax: 800-FDA-0178
–Phone: 800-FDA-1088
The FDA continues to investigate the potential relationship between Hydroxycut dietary supplements and liver injury or other potentially serious side effects.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2009/NEW02006.html
 
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Those damn DOs with their holistic treatments and voodoo medicine.
 
I heard the news about FDA warning about hydroxycut today and the first thing that came to my mind was what in the world is Dr. John marshall doing these days.
 
OH SNAP...guess the results aren't so faaantastic after all!



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 1, 2009

FDA Warns Consumers to Stop Using Hydroxycut Products
Dietary Supplements Linked to One Death; Pose Risk of Liver Injury
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers to immediately stop using Hydroxycut products by Iovate Health Sciences Inc., of Oakville, Ontario and distributed by Iovate Health Sciences USA Inc. of Blasdell, N.Y. Some Hydroxycut products are associated with a number of serious liver injuries. Iovate has agreed to recall Hydroxycut products from the market.
The FDA has received 23 reports of serious health problems ranging from jaundice and elevated liver enzymes, an indicator of potential liver injury, to liver damage requiring liver transplant. One death due to liver failure has been reported to the FDA. Other health problems reported include seizures; cardiovascular disorders; and rhabdomyolysis, a type of muscle damage that can lead to other serious health problems such as kidney failure.
Liver injury, although rare, was reported by patients at the doses of Hydroxycut recommended on the bottle. Symptoms of liver injury include jaundice (yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes) and brown urine. Other symptoms include nausea, vomiting, light-colored stools, excessive fatigue, weakness, stomach or abdominal pain, itching, and loss of appetite.

“The FDA urges consumers to discontinue use of Hydroxycut products in order to avoid any undue risk. Adverse events are rare, but exist. Consumers should consult a physician or other health care professional if they are experiencing symptoms possibly associated with these products,” said Linda Katz, M.D., interim chief medical officer of the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

Hydroxycut products are dietary supplements that are marketed for weight-loss, as fat burners, as energy-enhancers, as low carb diet aids, and for water loss under the Iovate and MuscleTech brand names. The list of products being recalled by Iovate currently includes:
Hydroxycut Regular Rapid Release Caplets
Hydroxycut Caffeine-Free Rapid Release Caplets
Hydroxycut Hardcore Liquid Caplets
Hydroxycut Max Liquid Caplets
Hydroxycut Regular Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Caffeine-Free Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Hardcore Drink Packets (Ignition Stix)
Hydroxycut Max Drink Packets
Hydroxycut Liquid Shots
Hydroxycut Hardcore RTDs (Ready-to-Drink)
Hydroxycut Max Aqua Shed
Hydroxycut 24
Hydroxycut Carb Control
Hydroxycut Natural
Although the FDA has not received reports of serious liver-related adverse reactions for all Hydroxycut products, Iovate has agreed to recall all the products listed above. Hydroxycut Cleanse and Hoodia products are not affected by the recall. Consumers who have any of the products involved in the recall are advised to stop using them and to return them to the place of purchase. The agency has not yet determined which ingredients, dosages, or other health-related factors may be associated with risks related to these Hydroxycut products. The products contain a variety of ingredients and herbal extracts.
Health care professionals and consumers are encouraged to report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems with the use of these products to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online, by regular mail, fax or phone.

–Online: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm
–Regular Mail: Use FDA postage paid form 3500 found at: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/getforms.htm and mail to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787
–Fax: 800-FDA-0178
–Phone: 800-FDA-1088
The FDA continues to investigate the potential relationship between Hydroxycut dietary supplements and liver injury or other potentially serious side effects.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2009/NEW02006.html

Hahaha, I've used multiple products on that list.
 
it was ironic that i saw the thread a couple of hours after my bf and i actually looked up who the hell this "doctor" was who was endorsing this harmful product

Hydroxycut recalled. Wonder with Dr. Jon Marshall must be thinking now.
 
It was a voluntary recall. All the people that take that stuff, there are bound to be a couple idiots that go overboard. Too much of anything can lead to problems. I have seen people down 3-4 times the recommended dosage of the stuff because they think it'll make them get thing that much faster. I'm willing to bet these people don't consult a physician or monitory their health very well normally and only went in to get checked out when they turned yellow.
 
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So, funny story. One of the DO residents I worked with last month said she knew someone who went to school with him. The before picture is actually the after picture. He was buff, had his picture taken, and then got fat for the commercial. If you look at the picture anyways, you can see he has huge traps in the fat picture. It's not like he was a stranger to the gym.
 
It was a voluntary recall. All the people that take that stuff, there are bound to be a couple idiots that go overboard. Too much of anything can lead to problems. I have seen people down 3-4 times the recommended dosage of the stuff because they think it'll make them get thing that much faster. I'm willing to bet these people don't consult a physician or monitory their health very well normally and only went in to get checked out when they turned yellow.

I'm in the business. If a company voluntary recalls something, its to save face.....because they sure as heck aren't going to be saving any revenues....since there willl be none. Hydroxycut was their highest selling product BY FAR.....no way they pull it unless they know it's going to be taken off the shelves. Plus with the FDA's strong words today, you really think they had a choice?

Also, yes, most before and after pictures are just pictures of a bodybuilder in the off and then onseason. These guys lose over 50pds before shows super fast.

I never understood why this is all post market monitoring only. If the FDA set up a wing to review this stuff before it went onto the market, they could charge companies for the review, hire tons of people, and save some lives.....not sure why they don't do it.

ah well

PS (not everyone is a *****....some people do have underlying conditions they are not aware of and can have a bad reaction with this type of product)
 
The problem may not be the Hydroxycut itself but the failure to use OMM to cure the liver while taking Hydroxycut. If more DOs would use OMM the whole thing could have been avoided, as I'm sure John Marshall, DO would agree.;)
 
Dr John Marshall should have lost his license a long time ago. God help his poor patients. Hmm, do I recommend a good diet and exercise, or a magical pill of fairy dust, cheddar goldfish crackers, and plaster of paris. It's all natural!

Hey John, you got a pill to enlarge my penis size too? Come to think of it, I've also always felt my limbs were too short. Can you fix that with a pill? What about one that will make me rich? Or teach me to play the guitar?

Doctors really, really don't belong in informercials that prey on the desperate, hawking products that do. not. work.

Physicians should be held accountable to higher ethical standards than other professions. That's what we signed up for, people.

Selling out your fellow human being for a buck. That's what used car salesmen do, not intelligent educated people who hold other's lives in their hands and have taken a vow to do no harm.

Yeah this pill turned out to be dangerous. But the point is, even if it wasn't, it still does. not. work.

Wherever you are, shame, John Marshall. Shame on you. Shame on those like you.
 
Dr John Marshall should have lost his license a long time ago. God help his poor patients. Hmm, do I recommend a good diet and exercise, or a magical pill of fairy dust, cheddar goldfish crackers, and plaster of paris. It's all natural!

Hey John, you got a pill to enlarge my penis size too? Come to think of it, I've also always felt my limbs were too short. Can you fix that with a pill? What about one that will make me rich? Or teach me to play the guitar?

Doctors really, really don't belong in informercials that prey on the desperate, hawking products that do. not. work.

Physicians should be held accountable to higher ethical standards than other professions. That's what we signed up for, people.

Selling out your fellow human being for a buck. That's what used car salesmen do, not intelligent educated people who hold other's lives in their hands and have taken a vow to do no harm.

Yeah this pill turned out to be dangerous. But the point is, even if it wasn't, it still does. not. work.

Wherever you are, shame, John Marshall. Shame on you. Shame on those like you.

Your right i keep forgetting doctors are superhuman. Bak to my quest of destroying all the kryptonite in the world so im truly invincible.
 
Dr John Marshall should have lost his license a long time ago. God help his poor patients. Hmm, do I recommend a good diet and exercise, or a magical pill of fairy dust, cheddar goldfish crackers, and plaster of paris. It's all natural!

Hey John, you got a pill to enlarge my penis size too? Come to think of it, I've also always felt my limbs were too short. Can you fix that with a pill? What about one that will make me rich? Or teach me to play the guitar?

Doctors really, really don't belong in informercials that prey on the desperate, hawking products that do. not. work.

Physicians should be held accountable to higher ethical standards than other professions. That's what we signed up for, people.

Selling out your fellow human being for a buck. That's what used car salesmen do, not intelligent educated people who hold other's lives in their hands and have taken a vow to do no harm.

Yeah this pill turned out to be dangerous. But the point is, even if it wasn't, it still does. not. work.

Wherever you are, shame, John Marshall. Shame on you. Shame on those like you.

Maybe he used it and found it worked for him. If that were the case, would he still be such a bad guy? And let's not forget, physicians extoll the virtues of countless pharma products everyday, some of which end up pulled from the market, not working, and/or killing people. There's not that big a difference.
 
Maybe he used it and found it worked for him. If that were the case, would he still be such a bad guy? And let's not forget, physicians extoll the virtues of countless pharma products everyday, some of which end up pulled from the market, not working, and/or killing people. There's not that big a difference.

The difference is that we should not purely rely on anectdoctal evidence, but good science. Doctors are not superhuman, but our profession is held to a higher ethical standard. Before endorsing crap like that, he should have made sure it works.

I agree with the above. Shame on him.
 
Dr. Marshall should be ashamed of himself. As the previous poster stated physicians are held to a higher ethical standard than all other professions. Most of the time we as individuals are responsible for judging ourselves and our behavior. It does not matter whether he has a MD or DO. That is irrelevant. What matters is that he eroded the public's trust in our profession by "hawking" a product that he had no idea whatsover if it was safe and effective. Even if he took it himself and "got results" anyone with any credibility would not try to make generalized claims about its effectiveness. And you cannot play stupid now and say that you did not know it would have harmful side effects. That is what you get when you act like a schiester and publically recommend a non-regulated gimmick product. Dr. Marshall failed to resist the temptation to make a quick buck at the cost of his and the profession's honor. He is pathetic. I hope his state licensing board takes notice. I wonder if his medical school is aware of their association with this product, because they are definitely associated. I am pretty sure my school would not have given permission for that. I wonder if Dr. Marshall even sought out their permission. We as fellow physicians have a duty to monitor ourselves for behavior such as this and bring it to light. People lost their lives over this. This is a serious matter. If Dr. Marshall has any self-respect or concern for his profession he should publically issue a statement of his condolences and poor behavior.
 
Caffeine has an LD50 of about 192 milligrams per kilogram even without all the other crap in those pills.
 
Dr John Marshall should have lost his license a long time ago. God help his poor patients. Hmm, do I recommend a good diet and exercise, or a magical pill of fairy dust, cheddar goldfish crackers, and plaster of paris. It's all natural!

Hey John, you got a pill to enlarge my penis size too? Come to think of it, I've also always felt my limbs were too short. Can you fix that with a pill? What about one that will make me rich? Or teach me to play the guitar?

Doctors really, really don't belong in informercials that prey on the desperate, hawking products that do. not. work.

Physicians should be held accountable to higher ethical standards than other professions. That's what we signed up for, people.

Selling out your fellow human being for a buck. That's what used car salesmen do, not intelligent educated people who hold other's lives in their hands and have taken a vow to do no harm.

Yeah this pill turned out to be dangerous. But the point is, even if it wasn't, it still does. not. work.

Wherever you are, shame, John Marshall. Shame on you. Shame on those like you.

Get off the horse pal. The guy is also a ****ing radiologist ... I don't think he's giving out the Swedish penis enlargement pills and kill folks left and right.
 
This guy Dr. Marshall must feel really stupid and humiliated amongst his peers and fellow students now that Hydroxycut was recalled.
 
Every time I saw this commercial, I was disheartened, but it was almost immediately followed by an MD pushing sexual enhancement pills or an ad for Dr. Phil's BS advice show.

In any profession, you'll find people who are willing to promote almost anything for payment or public recognition. Intelligent Design proponents have plenty of PhDs on their side. There are a ton of MBAs promoting ridiculous investments or business opportunities.

That said, MOST professionals are just that - professional.
 
This guy Dr. Marshall must feel really stupid and humiliated amongst his peers and fellow students now that Hydroxycut was recalled.

I bet you he doesn't give a ****. He knew what he was getting into going into it. I hope he feels smarter paying off his loans with the nice (probably on going) chunk of change he made peddling this crap, and I also hope he's more secure than to think people are talking behind his back in the cafeteria. Sellouts generally don't care ... if he was the kind of person who thrived to be the respected ole' doctor, he never would have done it in the first place.
 
Get off the horse pal. The guy is also a ****ing radiologist ... I don't think he's giving out the Swedish penis enlargement pills and kill folks left and right.

This horse is low to the ground, easy to mount.

I mean, come on, the guy is pretty hard to defend. I'm not sure there's a difference between penis pills and weight pills. Neither work. Both prey on the naive and desperate.

Actually the difference may be that penis pills don't work, but weight pills can kill you.

The best anyone about can really say about Jon Marshall is that he's not alone in selling his integrity and soul for a buck.
 
This horse is low to the ground, easy to mount.

I mean, come on, the guy is pretty hard to defend. I'm not sure there's a difference between penis pills and weight pills. Neither work. Both prey on the naive and desperate.

Actually the difference may be that penis pills don't work, but weight pills can kill you.

The best anyone about can really say about Jon Marshall is that he's not alone in selling his integrity and soul for a buck.

Like anyone who goes to Rocky Vista?




Sorry I kid.
 
And let's not forget, physicians extoll the virtues of countless pharma products everyday, some of which end up pulled from the market, not working, and/or killing people. There's not that big a difference.

Well said Facetguy.
 
And let's not forget, physicians extoll the virtues of countless pharma products everyday, some of which end up pulled from the market, not working, and/or killing people. There's not that big a difference.

Well said Facetguy.

That's absolutely true, but the context is enormously different. Look at the motives of the physician in question. Am I trying to heal my patient or line my pocket?

A physician, in good faith, may prescribe a medication that has undergone years of rigorous testing, only to find out some time later that it was indeed dangerous. This doctor can't really be blamed for the mistakes of the authorities who approved the drug, and he or she had nothing to gain personally by prescribing the medication. Unless that drug company had been inundating the physician with free stuff, but that's a topic for another thread.

Jon Marshall was in this for the cash. Cash only. Probably heaps of it.

I'm not blaming this jerk for the fact that it turned out to be dangerous. I'm blaming him for selling out for a "dietary supplement" that anyone with a 7th grade education and the proper perspective (ie, not desperate and suffering from weight issues) knows has as much chance of working as knawing on tree bark.

I'm just sick and tired of seeing physicians (DO's and MD's) on late night television, abusing the public's trust for financial gain.

Call me naive, call me idealistic, but again, let's hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct and ethics.

And be proud of that.
 
Dr. Marshall should be ashamed of himself. As the previous poster stated physicians are held to a higher ethical standard than all other professions. Most of the time we as individuals are responsible for judging ourselves and our behavior. It does not matter whether he has a MD or DO. That is irrelevant. What matters is that he eroded the public's trust in our profession by "hawking" a product that he had no idea whatsover if it was safe and effective. Even if he took it himself and "got results" anyone with any credibility would not try to make generalized claims about its effectiveness. And you cannot play stupid now and say that you did not know it would have harmful side effects. That is what you get when you act like a schiester and publically recommend a non-regulated gimmick product. Dr. Marshall failed to resist the temptation to make a quick buck at the cost of his and the profession's honor. He is pathetic. I hope his state licensing board takes notice. I wonder if his medical school is aware of their association with this product, because they are definitely associated. I am pretty sure my school would not have given permission for that. I wonder if Dr. Marshall even sought out their permission. We as fellow physicians have a duty to monitor ourselves for behavior such as this and bring it to light. People lost their lives over this. This is a serious matter. If Dr. Marshall has any self-respect or concern for his profession he should publically issue a statement of his condolences and poor behavior.

VERY well said! :thumbup:
 
I could be totally wrong, but doesn't caffeine ultimately slow-down metabolism long-term? I thought it sped it up short-term, but continual (ab)use had the reverse effect... sad stuff...

lol... wonder what those "herbs" are?

Caffeine slows down metabolism in withdrawal, but I doubt chronic usage slows down much of anything until your tolerance becomes so high that you can't dose without being toxic (and yes, an ER doc mentioned that he has treated medical students with caffeine toxicity...).
 
Dr. Marshall should be ashamed of himself. As the previous poster stated physicians are held to a higher ethical standard than all other professions. Most of the time we as individuals are responsible for judging ourselves and our behavior. It does not matter whether he has a MD or DO. That is irrelevant. What matters is that he eroded the public's trust in our profession by "hawking" a product that he had no idea whatsover if it was safe and effective. Even if he took it himself and "got results" anyone with any credibility would not try to make generalized claims about its effectiveness. And you cannot play stupid now and say that you did not know it would have harmful side effects. That is what you get when you act like a schiester and publically recommend a non-regulated gimmick product. Dr. Marshall failed to resist the temptation to make a quick buck at the cost of his and the profession's honor. He is pathetic. I hope his state licensing board takes notice. I wonder if his medical school is aware of their association with this product, because they are definitely associated. I am pretty sure my school would not have given permission for that. I wonder if Dr. Marshall even sought out their permission. We as fellow physicians have a duty to monitor ourselves for behavior such as this and bring it to light. People lost their lives over this. This is a serious matter. If Dr. Marshall has any self-respect or concern for his profession he should publically issue a statement of his condolences and poor behavior.

Yawn. Are you really an AF internist, because if we practice together you're reallly going to have to work to not be so high-strung! The guy made a quick buck and wait for it, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is going to happen to him except a severe tongue-lashing from a few angry colleagues and some flaming on SDN. None of us should do what he did, but this dude did and some other aholes will keep doing it. Why are you so concerned and angry?

Are DOs at risk of losing their ability to practice medicine? No, and no one is concerned about this or noticed the initials except a bunch of pre-meds, med students, and doctors... people who already have a good notion of the reality of the situation, anyway.

PS, do you like the AF so far? :)
 
Yawn. Are you really an AF internist, because if we practice together you're reallly going to have to work to not be so high-strung! The guy made a quick buck and wait for it, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is going to happen to him except a severe tongue-lashing from a few angry colleagues and some flaming on SDN. None of us should do what he did, but this dude did and some other aholes will keep doing it. Why are you so concerned and angry?

Are DOs at risk of losing their ability to practice medicine? No, and no one is concerned about this or noticed the initials except a bunch of pre-meds, med students, and doctors... people who already have a good notion of the reality of the situation, anyway.

PS, do you like the AF so far? :)

Yup. Nothing will happen to him. There are no consequences to his behavior other than forum flames.

Which is part of the problem.

In the meantime, untold numbers of Americans brought up to trust people in white coats throw their money away to line the pockets of charlatans, snake oil salesmen, and Dr. Jon Marshall. All are fleeced, and some suffer serious medical problems.

When professional ethics are not enough to deter this kind of behavior, professional organizations (accrediting institutions, hospitals, etc) need to institute their own rules of proper conduct. With consequences.
 
yeah, hydroxycut is horrible stuff. what the heck is in it now that it doesn't have ephedra? the bad thing about do being the minority degree is that every quack do makes the whole profession look worse, while every quack md is just dismissed as a quack and not representative of the profession. so, we've got this guy and mercola (do a search for him on quackwatch if interested). it's all too bad, but what can you do? every profession and every group is going to have some greedy nutjobs who aren't representative of the group as a whole.

It's an ECA stack, or Ephedrine, Caffeine, and Asprin stack. If I can remember right, it also has about 300mg of caffeine in each pill. I honestly am amazed that they ask you to take 1-2 pills a day. :scared:

Ephedrine is the "natural" version of Ephedra.

Have you guys heard about the people having liver failures because of Hydroxycut?
 
Caffeine slows down metabolism in withdrawal, but I doubt chronic usage slows down much of anything until your tolerance becomes so high that you can't dose without being toxic (and yes, an ER doc mentioned that he has treated medical students with caffeine toxicity...).

An ECA stack diet pill is pretty potent; the Ephedrine burns a good amount of fat, while the Caffenie amplifies the effectiveness of the Ephedrine while having thermogenic properties of its own. I'm not 100% sure what the Asprin does though, probably makes the Caffenie more effective.

I know a couple people that take Hydroxycut, Animal Cuts, etc.
 
Yup. Nothing will happen to him. There are no consequences to his behavior other than forum flames.

Which is part of the problem.

In the meantime, untold numbers of Americans brought up to trust people in white coats throw their money away to line the pockets of charlatans, snake oil salesmen, and Dr. Jon Marshall. All are fleeced, and some suffer serious medical problems.

When professional ethics are not enough to deter this kind of behavior, professional organizations (accrediting institutions, hospitals, etc) need to institute their own rules of proper conduct. With consequences.

I don't see that as being necessary. He puts his personal reputation on the line and his career.. I don't want to increase the powers of my professional organizations, and either do you -- trust me.
 
It's an ECA stack, or Ephedrine, Caffeine, and Asprin stack. If I can remember right, it also has about 300mg of caffeine in each pill. I honestly am amazed that they ask you to take 1-2 pills a day. :scared:

Ephedrine is the "natural" version of Ephedra.

Have you guys heard about the people having liver failures because of Hydroxycut?

Doubt anyone's having liver failure unless they're overdosing or concomitantly using other drugs that tax the liver.

That said, there are no real shortcuts to dieting and exercising. Even with a diet pill, its the decreased caloric intake and increased metabolic demand that is going to "burn" fat. After all, your body has to be in a relative state of caloric deficiency to beta-oxidize fats. The net effects of stimulants on metabolism are surely outweighed by the fact that your metabolism will surely slow after the diet pill is discontinued or at least it will SEEM to slow.. better to just get the good habits in place to start with (diet & exercise).
 
So, funny story. One of the DO residents I worked with last month said she knew someone who went to school with him. The before picture is actually the after picture. He was buff, had his picture taken, and then got fat for the commercial. If you look at the picture anyways, you can see he has huge traps in the fat picture. It's not like he was a stranger to the gym.
Seems possible... then again the before picture could have just been taking during a bulk phase of weight training (bulk and cut). Who knows?

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When I graduate med school i want to be like my hero Dr. Jon Marshall. I will be coming out with the new and improved hydroxycut. :D

J



oking joking :p
 
...every quack do makes the whole profession look worse, while every quack md is just dismissed as a quack and not representative of the profession. ... every profession and every group is going to have some greedy nutjobs who aren't representative of the group as a whole.

Few years ago I saw a similar product in walgreens being hawked by a yale md
 
Hey all.

I just saw a DO resident on a HydroxyCut commercial on ESPN... Anyone else seen this? It says his name is John Marshall and that he graduated from Midwestern University... There's a big "DO" on his labcoat, too... I mean, the dude surely is jacked and whatnot, but... Hydroxycut? That **** is awful for you...


just wondering if anyone else has seen it.


-goose

I saw Dr. Marshall on Hydroxycut ads, there is also an MD on the ads by the name of Dr. Nick Evans, that guy is also built, and I believe he is an Orthopedic Surgeon in Los Angeles.

http://www.drnickevans.com/

Still its pretty shady advertising, you are not going to get ripped sitting on your butt popping Hydroxycut, you really have to workout and eat very healthy. I know a few people at my gym who use Thermogenics, generally its not a good idea but some people use worse things like Steroids.
 
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Although I would like to play jumprope with "Dr" John Marshall's spermatic cord, he was just doing it for the money.........like a cheap promiscuous *****........a cheap ***** who happens to be a DO that exploits his school and sells the entirety of the profession out in falsely exaggerated claims about an obviously dangerous product as recently posted by the FDA. Other than Renal failure, cardio arrythmia, Hepatic failure, rhabdomyolysis (leading to kidney damage), and eventual death, what could possibly be the moral/ethical issue in promoting this garbage? It would be wise for him to keep his license and degree near the toiletry in his house. If he would admit to being a sell-out who knows jack **** about "personally researching the ingredients" in this product, then I would not have a problem with this at all. I have a buddy who took this devil's brew who is in presumably perfect health, and he nearly fell weak to the ground one day complaining of chest and kidney pains. As stated beforehand, physicians endorse products all of the time, but someone needs to kick this guy in the balls next time they see him at the gym.
 
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Although I would like to play jumprope with "Dr" John Marshall's spermatic cord

Umm ... I think I get this (and it's dirty), but please elaborate when you get the chance. I also find it ironic that, if I understand you correctly, Dr Marshall is a ***** for pumping this product - which you find ethically disgusting - but you're shallow enough to want to have sex with him?? Ahh, too great.

I'd also still bet my 'spermatic cord' he does NOT give a crap about it. I really doubt he's degraded the osteopathic profession, I really doubt he's an ass, and I really bet he's happy with the money and is probably looking for more ways to make some cool cash being a good looking dude in a white coat opposed to fighting the loosing battle of lucrative clinical medicine.
 
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