KCOM v. UNECOM

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TheMoose2013

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Help! I have my choices (wow...is that weird to say) between both of these stellar schools, and I can't seem to make up my mind officially. There are plenty of posts talking about both of these schools individually, but none comparing the two from this year, and schools change all the time. Any current students or other applicants have any input? I would GREATLY appreciate it!
 
Unfortunately, the best comparison would be made by someone who went to both schools; and as it's exceedingly uncommon for anyone to have attended two different med schools in general, finding one in this particular position would be like finding a needle in a haystack.
That said, both schools have good reputations and I've met solid doctors from both. I wouldn't hesitate to take an acceptance by either (sorry, that doesn't help much does it?). If you like the "osteopathic" side of osteopathic medicine both will serve you well. Tuition and fees are similar between the schools, but cost-of-living will likely be lower in MO. Most likely, the only defining point between the two will be location. Do you like Kirksville or Biddeford (and the surrounding areas of each). The midwest is nice and has its own "feel"; as is/does southeastern Maine. Winters may be slightly milder and slightly shorter in MO with probably a little less snow. As for things to do outside school, my guess would be that Maine will win that battle. Portland (20min north of Biddo) is a great city and for Big City, Boston is a stone's throw. Plus Providence and Worcester aren't very far away and each have cool stuff to do.
As for bad stuff, each deals with the problem of farming out third years to various affiliated rotation sites without having their own hospital-like the majority of DO schools, so it's a tie there. I think the admin has been in a little flux in recent years and boards-pass rate dropped in recent years at UNE, but a current student at UNE (like ShyREM) would be able to speak more authoritatively to that than I can as I graduated in '05. That said, my class had an excellent board pass rate, so the infrastructure is there to have a solid-to-good pass rate.
What I liked about UNE (when I went there): very good year 1&2 curriculum. The star player classes being Anatomy, Microbiology, (most of) Physiology, Pharm, and Pathology (essentially taught by the path dept at Maine Medical Center) for year one. Neuroanatomy is top notch and Frank Willard is stellar. The rest of second year is systems based (neuro, resp, cardio, etc) and physiology and pharmacolgy continue as modules within the systems. I liked second year much better because it really starts to put the clinical picture together. There were individual classes I didn't think were high quality in first year, but professors and class structure have changed so as I don't think I can comment as relevently (my horrible epidemiology prof is gone; Immuno has a new instructor; biochem now can be done online). UNE has a reputation as a friendly and collaberative place (but so does KCOM). You were as likley to get help from the "gunners" in my class as your more rank-and-file buddy who was a s dumb as you (me).
I love Maine and New England (except for too-long winters) and I love the midwest (where I'm doing fellowship).
Good luck with your decision. You're in an enviable position.
 
Moose,

I had to make a decision between the two as well. After doing all the research, and learning as much as I could between the two schools, it just came down to location. I currently live in Boston, my girlfriend lives in NY, and my family is from CT. Moving to southern Maine was much less of a life change for me than moving to Kirksville, so I decided that UNE was best for me. But both schools are great, and you can't go wrong with either.

Good Luck !!
 
Help! I have my choices (wow...is that weird to say) between both of these stellar schools, and I can't seem to make up my mind officially. There are plenty of posts talking about both of these schools individually, but none comparing the two from this year, and schools change all the time. Any current students or other applicants have any input? I would GREATLY appreciate it!

I'm actually not going to either school now that I've gotten into one of my top choices, but before that letter came I was trying to make the EXACT same decision. So I'll walk you through my thought process.

I loved KCOM. Absolutely loved it. The students were among the friendliest and happiest that I have met anywhere on the interview trail, and I had very positive interactions with the staff and faculty. There was this very tangible sense of community among the students, which was a huge plus for me. Also, at many of the osteopathic schools I applied to, I noticed that some of the students seemed to have a real chip on their shoulder about being at a school that some people regard as second-tier, but I didn't encounter that attitude at KCOM. The only downside for me was the isolation of Kirksville. While I had no problems with the town itself, it is really isolated from everything. The idea of having to drive 90 min to get to Target or Olive Garden just seemed daunting to me. It also makes for very hairy traveling when your family lives in Massachusetts!

UNECOM was okay. It was my second interview, and at first I had a fairly iffy impression, which I think was partly because I was so new to the whole experience of visiting med schools. The student body was much more diverse than KCOM's in terms of life experience/background, to the point that I felt it was actually a problem. It seemed like everyone I met was older and married with kids, which is fine, except it's harder for me as a young single person to form strong friendships with those folks. The faculty were very nice, but one woman -- I think she was a dean or something -- was really infantalizing (she made us repeat our "good morning" when she deemed the first one to be too quiet). I ended up visiting UNECOM a second time because it's not far from my home, and that ended up being a much more positive experience. I met some neat people who I could envision being my classmates. One thing I did not like was the fact that the medical school and the undergrad school are physically in the same place. There were lots of 19 year olds playing frisbee, and I felt like I was back in college. This may not be a problem for you, but it irritated me. I wanted to feel like I was around grown-ups.

In terms of gut feeling, KCOM wins, hands down (for me). However, I ended up overanalyzing the situation way too much and put down a deposit at UNECOM after withdrawing from KCOM. I rationalized that since I wanted to ultimately practice on the east coast, I would be at something of a disadvantage going to school in the midwest (this is what my premed advisor told me, and on reflection, I disagree). If I had it to do over, I would choose KCOM over UNECOM. Luckily, it ended up being a moot point for me.
 
UNE board pass rates are on the rise. There was definitely a couple of years of lag, but they're on the upswing now. I think our new Dean will do UNECOM a world of good and he is definitely focused on improving the student body, board scores, and student preparation at the med school. His focus is to make UNECOM a top institution.

Biochem is still a class that you have to be present for - it's more a PBL curriculum now. The online course is for the pre-req (and I hear it's really quite good).

As for student body: I felt my class had a huge amount of young single folks and not so many older married people. However, the older married folks tended to be more outgoing and willing to talk to applicants. It also depends when you visited - if it was around exam time, the students are pretty stressed and are cramming their lives away.

Regarding undergrads: Yeah, there's here. Lots of other schools have undergrad and med school on the same campus. Didn't have much interaction with them since I was just too darn busy being a med student. I never had a problem feeling like the undergrads were anymore a problem being "grownup" than some of my fellow students. (and for that matter, some med students I have met from other institutions). Every school and class has their childish students. However, don't let one person's account color your own. I didn't have a good experience at a few interviews and withdrew from those med schools rather quickly. They are, however, fine institutions on their own and I feel strongly that applicants should not be colored by my poor experience but rather make up their own minds.

If you have had a good experience with both schools and interviews, do the age old trick of getting out a piece of paper. Put good points on one side of the paper and bad points on the other for each institution. Then compare. Go for a second look at both places if you can. So much of a choice is gut feeling and that's a very personal decision.

I agree with J-Rad - unless you get a student that has been to both schools you can't get a truly objective assessment. Good luck. You'll be fine either way you decide. 🙂
 
Every school and class has their childish students. However, don't let one person's account color your own. I didn't have a good experience at a few interviews and withdrew from those med schools rather quickly. They are, however, fine institutions on their own and I feel strongly that applicants should not be colored by my poor experience but rather make up their own minds.

ShyRem, I wasn't bashing on your school or anything. And I'm not asking the OP to base his/her choice on my experience. OP asked for opinions from applicants. I gave mine.
 
🙂 never said you were. Just cautioning the OP. As I'm sure you would certainly wish someone to caution you if you were in his/her shoes. I did want to point out that every school has childish students. Some are more... shall we say... apparent... vocal... annoying... than others. And you'll find them at every school. And in every residency I'm sure.
 
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