KCUMB Class of 2018

Burrell College of Osteopathic Medicine
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Zaphod42 said:
Did you not see the extensive research study where blood pressure and aldosterone was decreased 36 hours after treatment? But seriously, wait until we get to cranial and need to start feeling for the "rhythm." Advice I was given by a relative (also a DO) was to just keep your mouth shut and fake it till you make it until you are in a position where you can effect change with minimal consequences.
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You were given sage advice. Follow it.
 
I thought most questions were fair. You had to know your angle for ROM cold though, which is where u think I stumbled the most! 🙁 ! Oh well, it's over. Hard to predict the mean for this one. Heard mixed reviews. If only we could have a slight curve!
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it's 82-85%. People were freaked out after the last exam and quiz so they probably knew this block's material cold going into the final.

It's over, just the CSA, PCM, and 4 hours pathology final.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it's 82-85%. People were freaked out after the last exam and quiz so they probably knew this block's material cold going into the final.

It's over, just the CSA, PCM, and 4 hours pathology final.
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Really? That high? I only talked to one person that hit a mid B, I definitely didn't...
 
Stagg737 said:
Really? That high? I only talked to one person that hit a mid B, I definitely didn't...
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I think it'll be around 82-85% as well. A few people I spoke to got in the 90s so people def studied much more for this one. We shall see...
 
Someone told me today that OS and PCM are not curved is that true? I don't remember why it was last semester!
 
Bbutterfly said:
Someone told me today that OS and PCM are not curved is that true? I don't remember why it was last semester!
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Was definitely curved last semester. Don't know why it would be any different this semester.
 
Bbutterfly said:
Someone told me today that OS and PCM are not curved is that true? I don't remember why it was last semester!
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PCM wasn't curved last semester because the average was above 85. There's currently a curve in OS, so that should definitely have one. Idk what the PCM average is, but if it's below 85 it should also get curved.
 
Bbutterfly said:
Someone told me today that OS and PCM are not curved is that true? I don't remember why it was last semester!
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Historically this is correct - but only because the average was never below 85 so it never needed to be curved. However OS is definitely going to have to be curved this semester. I was told yesterday that the average for the test was 80>X>90 - not super helpful, but at least we know it wasn't in the 70s.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
What did you guys think of the quiz today?
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Thought it was challenging but in a good way. I also liked the CIS session more than any sessions of the past year because I felt this was the most relevant to what were learning.
 
BigGAC1 said:
I thought it was tough, but fair. 3/5 - but I really have only done pathoma so far, so I think I'd be better had I done any sort of reviewing.

And yeah - CIS was good, helpful except for him throwing a temper tantrum when the iClicker didn't work.
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That temper tantrum was in favor of us though. Things should work esp during class time. These things should be checked before hand or not take 20min to fix. Thats 20 min of cases we don't get to see.
DoctorofDelight said:
Question about the quiz: was p53 the answer only because it is the most commonly mutated gene in cancer? Or was there another reason?
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Was that the question about Li-Fraumeni syndrome? If so it talks about single allele tp53 mutation in the chapter.
 
Zaphod42 said:
That temper tantrum was in favor of us though. Things should work esp during class time. These things should be checked before hand or not take 20min to fix. Thats 20 min of cases we don't get to see.
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I like the guy and I believe he really wants to teach us the important stuff.

If the computer had shut down or if there was a hardware failure then I would understand. He just needed to press the green button to get the iClicker software to work. The temper tantrum was much ado about nothing.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
If the computer had shut down or if there was a hardware failure then I would understand. He just needed to press the green button to get the iClicker software to work. The temper tantrum was much ado about nothing.
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Agreed.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I believe so. Is that a big picture fact or minutia?
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With his questions so far, it seems that big picture is the focus but minutia is also important when it is a characteristic of a specific disease. I do not think it is enough to just focus on key concepts if you are going for an A. My strategy will be to focus on Key Concept boxes and build info on top of those that he has either mentioned in lecture/ppt or is something I think is important from the chapter. Im answering all his learning objectives in my own words as well. For that particular quiz question though it was big picture.
 
I haven't really figured out a strategy yet. I think I'm going to focus on the figures/tables he says are important and the key concept boxes. I haven't even started taking hand notes yet. Honestly not sure if I will. BRS and Pathoma do a pretty good job of summarizing Robbins in my opinion. Maybe I'll change my mind if I somehow find some motivation. At this point I just want to pass
 
Seems to be a 3.518% curve in the class, I was no mathlete though so...
 
I don't like that we have 1 month off. Most research fellowships are 8 weeks long and puts students who are interested in academia/competitive residencies at a disadvantage. I wonder how many other medical schools have a similar summer break. I can't really think of any with less than 2 months. On the other hand its crazy how fast this year has gone by..
 
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Y'all may know this already, but I just now noticed on the syllabus that the CSA is actually worth 50 points. If you pass the first time you get all 50 - if you have to remediate it you get 35. I was unaware of that. I bet that means that in all likelyhood there won't be any sort of a curve - 50 points is a lot.
 
I wish we had a longer summer break but at least we have some time off. We have more time off than most working professionals. I admire your interest in research, but based on what Dubin said about what really matters for getting interviews for residencies, research doesn't really matter that much. In order for your research to really help you get a leg up, it would need to be longer than 8 weeks anyways. It would also probably need to be in the field of study you are interested in. See if you can get involved with someone doing research on campus and work in the lab during next year. I've heard of some people using elective rotations to do research as well. Unless you get published, research probably won't do much for your CV. You never know though, if you enjoy research maybe you can do it for 6 weeks and it will carry over into fall semester.
 
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DoctorofDelight said:
Yeah, but we are NOT working professionals yet. Last time I checked I don't have a salary. And research honestly does matter if you want an uber competitive residency. Not my thing, but it may be something that others in our class would have wanted.
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Imagine if we got paid to go to medical school... thats a nice day dream. My med school loans cause me a lot of stress.

DoctorofDelight said:
Soooo since Dr. Gustafson is teaching chapter 9 (nutritional diseases), does that mean we don't have to read chapter 9?
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Good question. I did a terrible job reading the neoplasia chapter and retaining info.... so I'm pretty happy we have a power point. I'll probably still read/skim it and then focus on the powerpoint? Seems like my strategy changes every day.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
Yeah it's really frustrating. I thought teachers are supposed to do the teaching? Guess not.
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He's teaching us to be "lifelong learners" like he is...

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To play devils advocate, you do realize there won't be any slides when studying for shelfs so it's not a bad idea to at least get some exposure to disseminating information early on. That's the way I look at it at least.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
Yeah, but we are NOT working professionals yet. Last time I checked I don't have a salary. And research honestly does matter if you want an uber competitive residency. Not my thing, but it may be something that others in our class would have wanted.
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It still really depends on the program though. From what I've gathered AOA programs don't care about research much in any field. Even the ortho guy in the student panel said that all the places he rotated at most of his colleagues either had 1 pub or none at all. If you're shooting for ACGME, especially an academic program, then I think it's a very different story, but generally speaking just getting a pub in an unrelated field really does seem to be overrated.

DoctorofDelight said:
I talked to another professor who's a proponent of this new way of "teaching" and he said that our professors have been "spoiling" us by giving us lecture slides and doing the work of retrieving the material for their lectures for us. Unbelievable.
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Not trying to sound like a jerk, but what that guy says is irrelevant and I couldn't care less. I didn't chose to come to KCU to be told to read a book. I came here because the atmosphere seemed supportive of the student body and the professors seemed to want to help us as individuals. If I wanted to go to a school that essentially used a PBL curriculum, I would have gone to LECOM or somewhere like that where that's how they teach and saved myself money. I don't mind having 1 or 2 classes/professors like this, but I'd be extremely upset if this suddenly became how our whole curriculum was set up, especially since many of us were accepted before any of the new admins got here.

Elevencents said:
To play devils advocate, you do realize there won't be any slides when studying for shelfs so it's not a bad idea to at least get some exposure to disseminating information early on. That's the way I look at it at least.
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I get where you (and they probably are also) are coming from. But when we're in rotations we should be able to see a decent amount of the high yield stuff firsthand and should only need to fill in the gaps and learn about the zebras through looking it up, not all of the material. I just don't find this method in the first two years to work best for me, as it takes me forever to sit down and read through 50 pages of Robbins, let alone a chapter like 7 was. Besides, clinicals are supposed to build off what you learn in the first two years, you can't build on knowledge that isn't there in the first place...
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I talked to another professor who's a proponent of this new way of "teaching" and he said that our professors have been "spoiling" us by giving us lecture slides and doing the work of retrieving the material for their lectures for us. Unbelievable.
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Elevencents said:
To play devils advocate, you do realize there won't be any slides when studying for shelfs so it's not a bad idea to at least get some exposure to disseminating information early on. That's the way I look at it at least.
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That may be, but why make it any harder than it already is the first two years? Paying how much we do for tuition justifies that we be taught. By that logic, I should be able to save myself the 140K of debt for the first two years and just buy all the textbooks I would need to teach myself enough to pass step 1.
 
Zaphod42 said:
I don't like that we have 1 month off. Most research fellowships are 8 weeks long and puts students who are interested in academia/competitive residencies at a disadvantage. I wonder how many other medical schools have a similar summer break. I can't really think of any with less than 2 months. On the other hand its crazy how fast this year has gone by..
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This is exactly what I was talking about! 🙁 I was really eyeing to do a CCFA fellowship!
 
There's no summer research fellowships on campus anymore either...
 
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BigGAC1 said:
Y'all may know this already, but I just now noticed on the syllabus that the CSA is actually worth 50 points. If you pass the first time you get all 50 - if you have to remediate it you get 35. I was unaware of that. I bet that means that in all likelyhood there won't be any sort of a curve - 50 points is a lot.
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does it go under tesst? or all the other stuff
 
Most people study for shelf exams using practice questions. You won't be told to read hundreds of pages of a book and figure out what is important on your own. Doesn't sound like our class is very happy right now. Hope it gets better.
 
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