KCUMB Class of 2018

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Mostly this thread. I guess that isn't definitive cause we may just be the slackers, :joke: but a good percentage of us on here seem to have failed it. And it seems those from Friday at least haven't heard back cause I know one person from Friday that knows they failed it and haven't heard back.
 
My theory is there can't be more than 30 or 40 that failed since the remediations are from 9 to noon
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I didn't forget any of the big picture stuff and I still failed. I did all the physical tests, oldcarts, fed tacos, pmh, psh, allergies, meds, and still failed.

Also, I'm seriously scared that I'm going to fail the MOD exam. I'm absorbing so little from the reading and now I'm going to lose 2 days of study time for CSA remediation.
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I can't imagine spending the entire 2 days studying for CSA alone. I mean at tops 4 hours on Monday and Tuesday if my SOAP note technique requires an entire overhaul.

Make sure you study for MOD because we only have 1 week before that final. We practically have Monday free after 10pm. It's going to crunch our time a little more than usual but don't dwell on CSA that much.
 
WillieTrill said:
My theory is there can't be more than 30 or 40 that failed since the remediations are from 9 to noon
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Maybe that's just the bracket they gave the people who went earlier in the week.

If th3vern is right then there could be more people who need to remediate.

It's funny how they scheduled it up until 5pm on Outlook. It's like they expected quite a few people to fail.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
I can't imagine spending the entire 2 days studying for CSA alone. I mean at tops 4 hours on Monday and Tuesday if my SOAP note technique requires an entire overhaul.

Make sure you study for MOD because we only have 1 week before that final. We practically have Monday free after 10pm. It's going to crunch our time a little more than usual but don't dwell on CSA that much.
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Ive completely stopped studying for MOD because what if we fail the CSA again? Its so variable with chief complaint and possible curve balls in the story that I would prepare with a friend using the most convoluted stories possible. Know all common complaints and 2-3 exams you would do for each like the back of your hand. Theres a possibility that if we fail again we don't get to move on (according to what syllabus says). For me atleast, MOD will have to wait until I'm done with the CSA.
 
Does anyone know anything about the MOD final? Is it cumulative? How many questions? The syllabus says like 75-85 questions, but I've heard rumors of 200 or something :nailbiting:.
 
HotLunch96 said:
Does anyone know anything about the MOD final? Is it cumulative? How many questions? The syllabus says like 75-85 questions, but I've heard rumors of 200 or something :nailbiting:.
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Putthoff said 80% new material. I would think 125 questions max, but that's just guess work.
 
If people have questions/want tips on the SOAP note, feel free to PM me. I'm usually pretty bad at them, but I got some tips the weekend before and it made it immensely easier. I actually finished both mine with a minute to spare, and have solid interview skills from a past life.

HotLunch96 said:
Does anyone know anything about the MOD final? Is it cumulative? How many questions? The syllabus says like 75-85 questions, but I've heard rumors of 200 or something :nailbiting:.
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It's supposed to be a 4 hour final, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's big. Dr. A said that it would be a 'large test' with a 70/30 split, but either way it's mostly new stuff. I was also told that for the first half of the course, Dr. Friedlander wrote questions before he left, so questions on the old material will come straight form Dr. A and Friedlander.
 
Really? Must have missed the 200 thing. How are they gonna get 150 questions from 3 chapters?
 
Elevencents said:
Really? Must have missed the 200 thing. How are they gonna get 150 questions from 3 chapters?
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Stagg737 said:
If people have questions/want tips on the SOAP note, feel free to PM me. I'm usually pretty bad at them, but I got some tips the weekend before and it made it immensely easier. I actually finished both mine with a minute to spare, and have solid interview skills from a past life.



It's supposed to be a 4 hour final, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's big. Dr. A said that it would be a 'large test' with a 70/30 split, but either way it's mostly new stuff. I was also told that for the first half of the course, Dr. Friedlander wrote questions before he left, so questions on the old material will come straight form Dr. A and Friedlander.
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Right now the schedule still says 3 hours though 🙂. But we all know that schedule can change. She definitely said that it was 4 hours and said we should start exercising and sleeping well to get ready for it! Lol
 
Bbutterfly said:
Right now the schedule still says 3 hours though 🙂. But we all know that schedule can change. She definitely said that it was 4 hours and said we should start exercising and sleeping well to get ready for it! Lol
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Why do they even bother making a syllabus when they just make it up as they go....
 

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Stagg737 said:
Eh, that was actually my worst PCM grade by far. I'm also incredibly burnt out though, so I really wasn't too surprised by that.
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Fortunately with all the free points from the CSA, various labs, senior experience, etc. it almost doesn't even matter how you did on this test... I think I needed an 8% to pass the section...
 
Probably will be a high average but that was my worst PCM of the year. Granted, I only studied a few hours yesterday but I kind of figured it would be a crap shoot. The PCM course as a whole was pretty poorly taught. I have no idea how they came up with those questions today. DOCCOM, Med Equiptment mixed in with specific cardiology and pulmonology questions. In my opinion, if you are going to make a clinical course cumulative, pick the most high yield topics and hammer them into our heads. Or maybe just follow the syllabus and ask 1 question per old lecture and 3 per new. I don't need to be tested over the Thomas test and types of joints a million times. Not high yield, not on boards. OMM and PCM courses need a total revamp. 🙂
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I'd also like to add make the CSA more lenient on grading. There is no reason why so many people had to fail it. We are in our first year, why not cut us some slack?
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There's no way to know how many people failed it other than heresay and the limited sample size of those of us who post on SDN.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
Does anyone know what the policy on remediation/dismissal is? I've heard from someone that if you fail 2 classes overall, chances are pretty good you get kicked out of school. This is terrifying and I was wondering if it was true?
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Thats not a rule. The rule is if you fail 2 classes you have to go in front of the SPC. Anytime you go in front of the SPC there is the possibility of dismissal (whether its a first offense, or fiftieth), but the outcome is whatever the committee decides, remediation, repeating a year, dismissal, etc... Not just automatic dismissal.

Any way you look at it though - going in front of the committee is bad news - I recommend avoiding it if at all possible...
 
DoctorofDelight said:
Is this written anywhere? I thought if you fail ONE class this happens.
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I know of people who went in front after one remediation. I'm pretty sure that it's as GAC stated, if you fail then you go in front of the committee, though I think it's extremely unlikely that someone would get kicked out with a single failure unless they are having many other issues as well. Even then I would think they would look at other options (like repeating a year) before dismissal. That's just my guess though, who knows what actually happens...
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I'm talking about 2 failures though. Most schools would NOT kick you out after 2 failed courses but I've heard schools run by our dean like to do this.
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I think it depends on your situation and why you're failing, but I haven't really been close to actually failing a section, so I'm not really sure...
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I'm talking about 2 failures though. Most schools would NOT kick you out after 2 failed courses but I've heard schools run by our dean like to do this.
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Thats a fair point - who knows what nonsense Dubin has enacted as far as remediation policy goes... Historically, at least (pre-Dubin), what I stated previously was the written policy in the student handbook. Nowadays it probably really is anyones guess... I know people who have failed 1 section and had to go infront of the committee, and I also know people who failed a section, remediated it, and then said "what's the SPC?" So I guess its more on a case-by-case basis at this point... If you fail a section you have to make an appointment with some higher up administrator (McCormick, I think), and they decide whether or not to send you to the committee. If you fail 2 sections you automatically go to committee.
 
I could be wrong, but I think our current handbook says if you fail a section you go in front of the SPC to see if they will allow you to remediate. I believe two remediations in one year, or 3 total between the 2 years is supposed to result in automatic dismissel. I don't think failing CSA counts as a typical remediation.

It's unfortunate that the rules are a little blurry. Some people get to remediate, some people have to repeat the year, and some people are dismissed. I believe the SPC has a few students on it as well, maybe they are more understanding. I really don't think you have anything to worry about with the CSA. Rumor is, it isn't worth any points. Try to get some feedback on what you did wrong and try again. You won't be kicked out of school.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I'd also like to add make the CSA more lenient on grading. There is no reason why so many people had to fail it. We are in our first year, why not cut us some slack?
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Honestly, I thank the faculty for being more particular about the CSA grading than with the big group labs, because your individual interaction with a pt is what will truly set you apart from others as a good physician. Yes, I recognize coming to the correct dx is best, but admit as a pt if you feel the physician is comfortable and confident then you too are comfortable and confident with that doc. I wish we had more of these sessions, too.
 
Gniyrc_Tiuq said:
Honestly, I thank the faculty for being more particular about the CSA grading than with the big group labs, because your individual interaction with a pt is what will truly set you apart from others as a good physician. Yes, I recognize coming to the correct dx is best, but admit as a pt if you feel the physician is comfortable and confident then you too are comfortable and confident with that doc. I wish we had more of these sessions, too.
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I like your username haha
 
Stagg737 said:
Dr. Putthoff is writing the entire exam other than the chapter 5 questions (Adkison is writing those). No questions from Friedlander or Gustafson. Hope you read Robbins...
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This is stupid... Can't talk anymore - too busy reading Robbins until forever. :bookworm::bookworm::bookworm::bookworm::bookworm::dead:
 
Stagg737 said:
Dr. Putthoff is writing the entire exam other than the chapter 5 questions (Adkison is writing those). No questions from Friedlander or Gustafson. Hope you read Robbins...
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Did you not read it for Friedlander? I did the whole "outline" thing. But ended up referring to the lectures and reviews more than anything.
 
You know what I'm afraid of with the way were dependent on big robbins? Because of the sheer volume of the text and the time it takes to read through, we will not get enough repetition of what is important resulting in a superficial understanding of the material at the end of 2nd year.
 
Zaphod42 said:
You know what I'm afraid of with the way were dependent on big robbins? Because of the sheer volume of the text and the time it takes to read through, we will not get enough repetition of what is important resulting in a superficial understanding of the material at the end of 2nd year.
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Agreed. I'm hoping Pathoma/First Aid is the answer.
 
This has been my favorite section thus far. I suppose that puts me in the minority!
 
Elevencents said:
This has been my favorite section thus far. I suppose that puts me in the minority!
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Heh, probably. Although if you take chapter 7 out and made it more organized (like telling us to focus on the diseases and their unique symptoms from the start) I'd probably be enjoying this section a lot too. I'm pretty sure people cried for joy when my favorite section ended though, so you're not alone.
 
I really don't see the reasoning behind all the hatred for this block. No lecture to attend, no mindless powerpoints to skim over and over, CIS sessions that actually help check your comprehension of the material...did I mention no lecture to attend?

I mean, we have 3 weeks to learn 3 chapters. I am 100% less stressed this block compared to those where we have 10-15 hours of lecture a week. You could outline the 3 chapters of Robbins in a week easily and have two entire weeks to review.

What am I missing here? I'm genuinely curious.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
It's not 3 chapters. It's 9. And we have no clue what he wants us to know. And the textbook is super dense and he tests on minutia. And if you're outlining properly, it would take an hour to do 4 textbook pages.

I would much rather have 10-15 hours of lecture where I can actually focus on learning what's important and know exactly what the professor wants.
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Lol come on man, I know you're frustrated but now you're just being overly dramatic.

There are 3 new chapters. 6 are review. No different from past blocks.

He has objectives listed for his chapters and his CIS sessions have certainly not been minutiae. Every question has come straight from the objectives. They can be difficult, however, if you're not caught up.

I typically outline on average a chapter a day. A day for me is probably 6 hours of actual work. (Below average student, certainly not from brilliance)

Still curious from others who don't like this block.
 
Elevencents said:
I really don't see the reasoning behind all the hatred for this block. No lecture to attend, no mindless powerpoints to skim over and over, CIS sessions that actually help check your comprehension of the material...did I mention no lecture to attend?

I mean, we have 3 weeks to learn 3 chapters. I am 100% less stressed this block compared to those where we have 10-15 hours of lecture a week. You could outline the 3 chapters of Robbins in a week easily and have two entire weeks to review.

What am I missing here? I'm genuinely curious.
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Dude... I kind of agree. It's been pretty chill if you ask me. Robbins isn't too bad of read IMO. Just highlight testable factoids and concepts... Go back thru and review one time while making flashcards for it and boom, you at least pass the class
 
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