KCUMB Discussion thread 2007-2008

[HopefulDoc2007]

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So how does everyone feel their interview went yesterday? Happy? Dissapointed?

 

[HopefulDoc2007]

I heard we are supposed to get our letters by the 30th of April. Can't come soon enough for me.

 

[axebjc]

I feel that it went really well. I had something in common with both interviewers. We talked about SCORE I for about 10 minutes because I volunteer with the at risk kids around my school. I loved the program and felt like this is where I'm suppose to be. I was told April 30th as well. Hopefuldoc who were you? I was the female from Texas.

 

[PokerDoc]

phew, the kcumb lady found the letter they sent me stuck go another piece of paper, I'm in the clear

 

[deadeyedk]

I don't know what you should do, WDeagle. I'm just stating a fact with no ulterior motive but to provide information. You guys are old enough to take the information, process it, and draw your own conclusions. I know some of you think I'm a horrible person, but I am really being pure in my intentions.

i think we all know how endocardium feels about kcumb based on his posts in this thread and others. most of us have already heard his criticisms, evaluated them, and moved on one way or another.

everyone trying to make an informed decision about what school to attend wants to hear about the good and the bad of a school. i'll say, though, that his criticisms are rehashed again and again... often without any solicitation from anyone. how does someone's comment about paperwork gone missing elicit a response about professors leaving the school?

i will also say that his criticisms are largely unsubstantiated by other current or former kcumb students on sdn. i'm not saying that these things haven't happened or that they aren't important in some respect, but their importance has to be viewed objectively. every school has issues. professors leave schools all the time for many reasons. the alarmist call that "PROFESSORS ARE RAPIDLY ABANDONING KCUMB!!!" is in no way constructive.

how about this... can any current or former kcumb students talk about how professor movement has affected their medical education at kcumb? i would greatly appreciate a discussion from several students on this topic, but repeated cautionary tales from ONE student quickly lose their weight.

that being said.... throughout the application process i have been a little bothered by kcumb's ability to keep a complete file or know what the other hand is doing, so to speak. i received a call about an interview invite coming up in one week that i had not received any notice of (strange, but a very good thing in my book). i was told by phil (i think that's his name -- the vice president of admissions) that i could have an extension on my deposit, but then i got a letter from the school asking me why i had declined my offer when the initial deadline had passed (i nearly had a heart attack on this one.... but it was resolved in a matter of minutes with apologies from the school).

so, yeah, i would agree with endocardium on that point. keep any official documents or correspondence you receive from the school, paper or email. it seems like they have issues with record keeping or something. but any time an issue has arrived with me so far, the school has been very helpful and has responded very quickly.

when i called the school to see about an extension for my deposit, i expected no help. but the vp of admissions gave me a one month extension, no questions asked, and offered further help down the line if other issues were to arise. this increased kcumb's standing in my book substantially. the fact that they were willing to work with an incoming student and be understanding of my situation was very impressive. however, i've since learned that phil has left the school. that may be a whole other topic in itself.

sorry for the long post.

 

[LSU Alex]

i think we all know how endocardium feels about kcumb based on his posts in this thread and others. most of us have already heard his criticisms, evaluated them, and moved on one way or another.

THANK YOU!! Endocardium, it's old! We get it, couyon. Problems at the school. There are problems everywhere, but as adults we understand that your education is what YOU make of it. Anybody who wants to whine about fate and circumstance is in the wrong business. You got another note on that horn you're playing, or is this just a one tune fais do-do?

 

[PokerDoc]

I personally couldnt care less who teaches my lectures because i probably wont be attending them.. i learn on my own anyway

 

[skeletor]

Hi everyone, I'm a new member here 🙂

I have been reading through this thread and some others concerning KCUMB for the past few days, as I had an interview for the masters in biosciences today with the goal of matriculating to the medical school.

Some items I thought I'd share:

• When asked about how the teaching faculty was like, all the student ambassadors said "awesommmme"
• When asked if there was anything that disappointed them/that they would like to change/wished they had known before attending...none of them answered directly and said that they had addressed the administration/faculty about the issues they had and that they would be fixed for the next class (ie those getting accepted to the Fall '08 would not have to deal with the same issues they dealt with).
• The above bullet point was followed by them assuring us that they listen to the students and care for us.

I'm eager to hear your comments.
_________________________________

It is unlikely I'll get accepted considering out of the 25 who attended today, only 7 will be accepted, and even then I don't know how I'd manage financially because I come from a lower middle class background and I know nobody in KC. The school is absolutely beautiful, I made friends there and it would be regretful if I didn't attend but so is life.

Wish me luck guys and I wish you all the best.

 

[endocardium]

It's not my problem if you feel scared by the facts I present. It's probably too late for your class to consider them, since you've already committed yourself to the school, but I just think it's good to present all sides of what's going on. As such, I do wish your class well. I have faith you will succeed, even despite challenges ahead.

However, I want to state that I am not being alarmist or bitter. I said that these issues didn't effect me. If you were applying for a job and they offered it to you, wouldn't you be a bit cautious about accepting the offer if you found out that a whole bunch of senior members of the staff left a little while ago, and then just a few months ago three more influential members of the staff left, without suitable replacements? (And don't tell me that this is happening at every school you've interviewed at, because that would definitely be a lie.) Maybe you haven't worked too much in the business world, but it would certainly give me pause and make me consider my choices further. I'm not saying I wouldn't eventually choose that job, I'm just saying that I'd be more hesitant. If and when I decided to accept, I would be glad that I knew the major issues and that I had made a conscious choice to accept anyway. The worst thing you could do is to stick your head under the sand and pretend that everything is a-okay, when it's not.

The freaking dean left KCUMB and the chair of the family medicine department is set to leave (the family medicine department is one of the key departments, since it also handles OMT and a lot of other first/second year instruction). Don't tell me this is trivial. Going back to my business example, this is like the COO and a VP of a critical department leaving a given company. You should be concerned.

Anyway, hide your head underneath the sand if you want. I don't give a rat's butt what you do or choose. I'm trying to be honest and upfront. Maybe you still have some growing up to do... Who knows? I just know that it's usually best to know all the facts, even if they are unpleasant and you don't really want to hear them.

I should have known, though. The deliverer of such messages usually gets shot.

 

[endocardium]

THANK YOU!! Endocardium, it's old! We get it, couyon. Problems at the school. There are problems everywhere, but as adults we understand that your education is what YOU make of it. Anybody who wants to whine about fate and circumstance is in the wrong business. You got another note on that horn you're playing, or is this just a one tune fais do-do?

Don't be naive. Where you park yourself most certainly has an impact on your life. The context effects you in ways you can't possibly even comprehend. Sure, you can mediate some of the issues and events that occur in the container that you are living in, but the environment is most definitely going to seep into your bones and impact you, whether you like it or not.

And to all those who say that you can learn it yourself: you can to some degree, but you will need guidance. The lectures, test, labs, etc., do not come directly from the books. They are mostly from the notes and if you can't decipher them, then you are in a world of hurt. That's what professors do: help you decipher them. It's supposed to be a collaboration, not an individual study project. Why make it harder on yourself than you have to? Oh well... Maybe some people like pain and suffering. Heaven knows I've seen enough of this in my patients....

 

[endocardium]

And for those of you who conveniently forgot, I presented a whole post filled with postive suggestions on how to succeed and make your life easier at KCUMB. It's in this thread...

Anyway, get tutors as soon as you can, especially for anatomy, OMT, and pathology. It'll make your life much, much easier.

 

[WDeagle]

I was under the impression that the school will be building a new student activities center. Does anyone know if they have started construction on it yet and when it is scheduled to be opened?

 

[endocardium]

I was under the impression that the school will be building a new student activities center. Does anyone know if they have started construction on it yet and when it is scheduled to be opened?

I haven't heard of such a thing. Recently, a new auditorium building was completed, but it won't likely be used for your lectures. It tooks pretty nifty, though. I have no idea what they are going to use it for. Maybe they are going to rent it out to the public for their events? I know graduation is going to take place there, with limited seating, of course.

 

[WDeagle]

This is from the schools website. http://www.kcumb.edu/students/buildings.asp

"The 32,500-square-foot Student Activities Center builds on the University’s commitment to student services and provides a centralized gathering place and specific work spaces for students to study and conduct organizational meetings, while also giving attention to their health and overall well-being.

The Student Activities Center will include a student lounge, vending and dining areas, a mail room, meetings and conference rooms, the campus bookstore, a multi-dimensional fitness center with a walking/running track, cardiovascular and weight training equipment, an aerobics facility, a game room, a small theater, and a large ballroom for both campus and community events."

 

[endocardium]

This is from the schools website. http://www.kcumb.edu/students/buildings.asp

"The 32,500-square-foot Student Activities Center builds on the University's commitment to student services and provides a centralized gathering place and specific work spaces for students to study and conduct organizational meetings, while also giving attention to their health and overall well-being.

The Student Activities Center will include a student lounge, vending and dining areas, a mail room, meetings and conference rooms, the campus bookstore, a multi-dimensional fitness center with a walking/running track, cardiovascular and weight training equipment, an aerobics facility, a game room, a small theater, and a large ballroom for both campus and community events."

Again, that's news to me. If they are going to build it, then they have yet to break ground. I haven't heard a mention of it at all, except for what you pointed out on the website. Weaver is the only new building I've seen and they are putting the finishing touches on it now. *shrug*

 

[deadeyedk]

It's not my problem if you feel scared by the facts I present. It's probably too late for your class to consider them, since you've already committed yourself to the school, but I just think it's good to present all sides of what's going on.

ugh... what about our responses makes you think we're scared?

once again, we get it. you think there are major problems at the school. you are deeply dissatisfied with the school. you're critical of every decision the school makes. christ, it's amazing they still have accreditation.

i, for one, have serious doubts about your motive. you've gone beyond simply trying to inform others. this is clearly personal for you.

sure, i guess we're just immature and lack knowledge of how the real world works. or maybe not... maybe we're generally optimistic and don't expect perfection from any school. maybe some of us (me) are excited about the fact that we get to be doctors and we're willing to put with as much bullsh** as necessary... lord knows i've put up with more than my share already.

i'll just say it... thank you, endocardium, for your words of wisdom. we're forever indebted to you. you have learned us so good. you're comments are forever preserved on this thread as a warning to all other potential kcumb students. now please, for christ's sake, quit it.

if i've "shot the messenger" then so be it. if anybody else thinks i'm out of line, just tell me and i'll keep my opinions to myself from now on.

 

[endocardium]

ugh... what about our responses makes you think we're scared?

once again, we get it. you think there are major problems at the school. you are deeply dissatisfied with the school. you're critical of every decision the school makes. christ, it's amazing they still have accreditation.

i, for one, have serious doubts about your motive. you've gone beyond simply trying to inform others. this is clearly personal for you.

sure, i guess we're just immature and lack knowledge of how the real world works. or maybe not... maybe we're generally optimistic and don't expect perfection from any school. maybe some of us (me) are excited about the fact that we get to be doctors and we're willing to put with as much bullsh** as necessary... lord knows i've put up with more than my share already.

i'll just say it... thank you, endocardium, for your words of wisdom. we're forever indebted to you. you have learned us so good. you're comments are forever preserved on this thread as a warning to all other potential kcumb students. now please, for christ's sake, quit it.

if i've "shot the messenger" then so be it. if anybody else thinks i'm out of line, just tell me and i'll keep my opinions to myself from now on.

I wasn't directing my comments to anyone in particular. You've actually been pretty levelheaded with your comments.

I don't know what I did to earn your disdain, or that of others. However, even though I am having difficulting understanding this disdain directed towards me, I guess I can empathize with the position of an incoming first-year student, as I was once in that position. I guess I wouldn't have listened, either, but I thought it was worth a try. Heck, I'd probably doubt my motives, too, if I were in your shoes. It's only natural, especially in an environment such as SDN, which tends to amplify such thoughts. Also, you can only base your judgments about me based on what you are reading here. C'est la vie. Anyway, expand your mind if you desire and look beyond my posts in this particular thread. I've been pointed, certainly, but I'd like to think that I have tried to be helpful, too...

I don't think you guys get it. I'm not saying you should expect perfection from a school and I certainly don't hate my alma mater and am not critical of all of their decisions. I really don't at all regret my choice to attend. It's been fun, mostly. Sure, KCUMB has faults, as do other schools, but we've all worked through them and come out the other side doing well. I am not making a point about the school. I am providing information that isn't often mentioned, so that an honest choice can be made.

You and others are definitely reading too much into my comments. I acknowledge that perhaps I was a bit melodramatic initially, which probably lead you and others to judge me as some kind of nutcase who hates my school. I accept that projection, if that's how you and others want to see me. I don't want or need your approval. I act because I think it's the right action; it isn't dependent on your feelings. That fact is, you do not know where I stand on just about every item and you can't know, anyway, given your current relationship to me. But this isn't about me and I don't want it to be.

However, all that being said, I am just reporting something that I think is not good news and would have an impact on making a choice. Has it not sunk in at all that the college's dean is gone? That the chair of a major department is leaving soon? And another professor in that same dept just left? All in a few months time? Name one school where this is happening and I'll shut up. Even if you were to find a similar situation, I'm just saying that as a student, I'd be a bit concerned about that, especially since the dean and dept. chair were both advocates for the students. Are you suggesting that this isn't going to have some kind of significant impact? If so, then you are in denial. If another school had similar things happening, I'd say the same things about that school, too.

I know this information is sort of moot for you incoming freshman, but this is something that should play into the decisions of those who have yet to commit. If I put aside my pride and my attachments to the school, then as a mere student, I'd want to know some of the more pressing considerations, good and bad, in choosing a school. If I had other options, I'd probably examine them in the light of such information. If not, then cool; work with what you have in front of you. I don't mean to make you guys feel bad. Why wouldn't you want to weigh all your choices knowing these facts? Why would you want to put on blinders and pretend? Nevermind, don't answer that. I understand. Been there, done that.

Being blindsided is not a good feeling. If you are going to commit, do so consciously, knowing the facts. Yes, you are going to be effected by the loss of the dean and the chair of the family med department. Will it prevent you from succeeding? Doubtful. Might it influence your experience at KCUMB? Yes, probably.

Anyway, I apologize for wasting your time. Sorry, folks; please carry on.

 

[PokerDoc]

endo it kinda seems like you just copy and paste your posts about once every 3-4 weeks or so, so its understandable why people are getting frustrated with you

 

[t-funk]

I don't know about all that but I do know that every time I have called KCUMB they have been nothing but wonderful, accommodating, and helpful. I think I am in love with the school. 😍

 

[axebjc]

Hey t-funk! I interviewed at KCUMB and loved the school as well. I really liked their systems based curriculum. I can't wait to hear back. April 30th can't get here fast enough. How long after your interview did you find out?

 

[t-funk]

Hey, I think it took about 2 weeks to find out but that was in September. It could be different now. Good luck and I can't wait to meet all my new classmates! 😎

 

[deadeyedk]

Hey t-funk! I interviewed at KCUMB and loved the school as well. I really liked their systems based curriculum. I can't wait to hear back. April 30th can't get here fast enough. How long after your interview did you find out?

i drove home immediately after my interview and i think my acceptance letter was in the mailbox when i got there.

kidding. but seriously, they sent out letters pretty damn quick back in january. i think it was 5 days. don't know if it's still that way 3 months later.

 

[RT2MD]

I just can't wait until I apply...

Speaking of that, do you all think that taking the MCAT in September would severely hinder my application? I have a 9 month old daughter and basically any day that I will be home, so will she. Hard to watch a toddler/infant and study at the same time. But starting in August, she will be in daycare M-F 8-5. That would open up a lot of room for me to study. I haven't talked with anybody from admissions, but I am going to try and set up an appointment with Brooke Birdsong soon (so that I can go over my file). Just thought that I would get others opinions on the matter.

edit:
I am looking at applying for Fall of 09.

Thank you.

 

[endocardium]

endo it kinda seems like you just copy and paste your posts about once every 3-4 weeks or so, so its understandable why people are getting frustrated with you

Well I don't. It write them on the spot and pretty much when I hear about what is going on. I heard a new rumor today about staff turnover, but I won't say anything about it since:

1) It could be false (don't know how reliable the source is)
2) You guys don't care, anyway

Whatever. I give up. You win. Enjoy your school and live in a freaking illusion; it'll pass in 4 years anyway and whatever pain you experience will hopefully be temporary. It just seems weird that nobody wants to know the complete picture. Why is it so compelling to close one's eyes to all the things that are going on? I figure enough of the positives are being told, but nobody says ANYTHING about the other side. That's why I seem sort of one tracked, in an attempt to present that other end. There's not much opinion weaved into my lastest posts here. Just reporting...

Anyway, just keep your eyes open and ears open; don't get lulled into a sleep by fancy talk and niceties. These won't get you very far at all... Real knowledge and honesty will.

 

[lyric]

I just can't wait until I apply...

Speaking of that, do you all think that taking the MCAT in September would severely hinder my application? I have a 9 month old daughter and basically any day that I will be home, so will she. Hard to watch a toddler/infant and study at the same time. But starting in August, she will be in daycare M-F 8-5. That would open up a lot of room for me to study. I haven't talked with anybody from admissions, but I am going to try and set up an appointment with Brooke Birdsong soon (so that I can go over my file). Just thought that I would get others opinions on the matter.

edit:
I am looking at applying for Fall of 09.

Thank you.

I don't think taking the MCAT in September would hinder your application. While it is good to have everything in early, KCUMB accepts many students and is apparently still interviewing/accepting candidates. If other parts of your application are strong, you should do fine.

Good luck.

 

[PokerDoc]

I just can't wait until I apply...

Speaking of that, do you all think that taking the MCAT in September would severely hinder my application? I have a 9 month old daughter and basically any day that I will be home, so will she. Hard to watch a toddler/infant and study at the same time. But starting in August, she will be in daycare M-F 8-5. That would open up a lot of room for me to study. I haven't talked with anybody from admissions, but I am going to try and set up an appointment with Brooke Birdsong soon (so that I can go over my file). Just thought that I would get others opinions on the matter.

edit:
I am looking at applying for Fall of 09.

Thank you.

apply early anyway, and after everything is submitted except your mcat, send them a little letter explaining your great interest in the school and tha you are delayed in taking the MCAT beacuse of your child, but you will be doing so in sept and wanted t let them know that it is coming. Communication is always a good thing

 

[nobleheart]

Does anyone know what KCUMB's typical MCAT cutoff is?

Thanks

 

[PokerDoc]

Does anyone know what KCUMB's typical MCAT cutoff is?

Thanks

there is no such cutoff, however they said the average this year will likely be a 27

 

[JSB235]

Does anyone know where I can find a recent match list for KCUMB?

 

[LSU Alex]

Does anyone know where I can find a recent match list for KCUMB?

Did you try Google or the KCUMB website?

 

[PokerDoc]

Does anyone know where I can find a recent match list for KCUMB?

we're all looking for it.. i emailed someone at the school and am waiting for a reply. i might call friday if i havent heard anything.

 

[axebjc]

Just thought I would let you know committee meets tomorrow!

 

[PokerDoc]

good luck!

 

[HopefulDoc2007]

Does anyone know the gentleman who is in charge of student tutoring and academic "help" I guess. His first name is Stan. I can't find it on the website but I wanted to drop a thank-you by the university. I need his last name and office. Thanks a lot everyone!

 

[spicedmanna]

Does anyone know the gentleman who is in charge of student tutoring and academic "help" I guess. His first name is Kent. I can't find it on the website but I wanted to drop a thank-you by the university. I need his last name and office. Thanks a lot everyone!

I don't know of any "Kent" who serves in that capacity. However, the Director of Learning Enhancement is Stan Viebrock and he organizes the tutors and is in charge of academic "help." Just call the school and ask for his office location/address, if he is indeed who you are looking for.

 

[endocardium]

Does anyone know what KCUMB's typical MCAT cutoff is?

Thanks

There's no cut-off to speak of. However, if you are thinking along those lines, you are probably moving in the wrong direction. Obviously, you'll want to score as high as you can, but I'd definitely aim for above the average of all test takers. Looking at last year's statistics, I'd suggest a composite score of 26, or higher, or something along those lines.

 

[Iowa08]

Has anyone gotten the full academic calendar for next year yet?

 

[HopefulDoc2007]

Sorry, for some reason I typed Kent when I meant Stan. Thanks for the quick reply, I was able to find his information on website.

 

[RingJ7303]

Hi everyone. I've been reading the posts for a while and am looking forward to meeting everyone in person. It seems like a good group for 2012. Thought I'd finally post a couple of questions:

1. Anyone still interested in the party for August birthdays suggestion? My 30th will be during the 1st week of classes. T-funk, was it you that will be turning 30 on the 19th? Glad to hear I'm not the only one 🙂. Sounded like several people have a bday that month, and if anyone's still interested I'll be living at CT. I could donate my espresso machine and a few mixology tools to the cause.

2. I was also wondering if anyone would be interested in starting a KCUMB chapter of Medical Students for Choice. MU, Kirksville, and Wash U. have chapters and I was kind of surprised KCUMB didn't have already have one. Their website is www.ms4c.org. Let me know if you'd be interested.

Thanks!

 

[endocardium]

2. I was also wondering if anyone would be interested in starting a KCUMB chapter of Medical Students for Choice. MU, Kirksville, and Wash U. have chapters and I was kind of surprised KCUMB didn't have already have one. Their website is www.ms4c.org. Let me know if you'd be interested.

Thanks!

It exists as a club organization already.

 

[PokerDoc]

1. Anyone still interested in the party for August birthdays suggestion? My 30th will be during the 1st week of classes. T-funk, was it you that will be turning 30 on the 19th? Glad to hear I'm not the only one 🙂. Sounded like several people have a bday that month, and if anyone's still interested I'll be living at CT. I could donate my espresso machine and a few mixology tools to the cause.

my bday is the day after the white coating ceremony 😀 im down

 

[tgalper]

First I would like to say congrats to all of you, and I would like to give my opinion in response to endocardium. Yeah the dean left, not a big loss, saw her one time only. Besides her replacement is a really good guy, and he cares about the students. We did lose one sports med guy, again no loss there, because all he taught was OMT, and we have better OMT instructors than him. And it's the 1st time I am hearing about the head of the Family Medicine Department leaving. Sounds like pure hearsay about that one.
The school has a lot of great professors, and a handful of crappy ones, but I challenge you to tell me of ONE school with all good professors. Did you say non-existent? Yeah I thought so.

Lastly about the match list. I know some 4th years, and they told me the school doesn't put a match list out because of privacy issues, which = BS. But,4th years are compiling a list themselves and as soon as we get it, I can post.
Some matches of the Class of 2008 that I know of are Anesthesiology (2), ENT (1), EM (handful), urology (1), Internal Med (a lot), Internal Med/Peds (1), Neurology (1). Again those are some 4th years I have heard from.

 

[tgalper]

If any of you have anymore questions let me know. You can post here or PM me, I will try to be on more often.
I gotta go knock out one more Anatomy Practical tomorrow, so I will be around to answer questions later.

 

[PokerDoc]

thanks for that info, when you get that full list from the 4th years please do post it here, we are all very interested.

 

[spicedmanna]

And it's the 1st time I am hearing about the head of the Family Medicine Department leaving. Sounds like pure hearsay about that one.

Unfortunately, I believe she is indeed leaving.

 

[LSU Alex]

1. Anyone still interested in the party for August birthdays suggestion? My 30th will be during the 1st week of classes. T-funk, was it you that will be turning 30 on the 19th? Glad to hear I'm not the only one 🙂. Sounded like several people have a bday that month, and if anyone's still interested I'll be living at CT. I could donate my espresso machine and a few mixology tools to the cause.

Sounds good. I'll be 29 on the 25th. I was going to ask earlier had anyone heard from CT. They finally deposited my reservation fee a few weeks ago. Am I to assume I have a room? Hmmmm... Anyway, I will be in town hopefully by July 22nd. If anybody else is there, we should get together for some guinness or wine or something...

 

[HopefulDoc2007]

So did anyone call the admissions office to inquire about their status or did you all wait for your acceptance letter? I don't want to be too eager but I figured if they are having their committee meeting tomorrow I might give them a call on Monday or something. I don't want to annoy or give a bad impression.

 

[LSU Alex]

So did anyone call the admissions office to inquire about their status or did you all wait for your acceptance letter? I don't want to be too eager but I figured if they are having their committee meeting tomorrow I might give them a call on Monday or something. I don't want to annoy or give a bad impression.

Back in September, they told us it we would hear something within two weeks. They were pretty quick cause I heard 10 days later. Everyone that I have talked to who interviewed at KCUMB has heard around that timeframe. If they gave you an indication of when you would find out during your interview, they seem to hold to what they say. Now earlier someone was saying that the committee meets today. Maybe you'll have your answer by the end of next week. Bonne chance, mon ami.

 

[MedicalScrubs]

Does anyone know how many more spots they still have to fill? And how competitive it is to get into those spots now. Is there a waiting list also?

 

[BamaAlum]

I don't know what you should do, WDeagle. I'm just stating a fact with no ulterior motive but to provide information. You guys are old enough to take the information, process it, and draw your own conclusions. I know some of you think I'm a horrible person, but I am really being pure in my intentions.

One professor was the dean of the college, another was the chair of the family medicine dept. (I think this will probably be a huge loss when she goes, since she was very helpful to students, a real advocate, and a good professor), and the other was involved with sports medicine/family medicine. Taken together, yes, it would be of some concern to me if I were in your shoes. Seems like a significant turn-over of some important people for the size of the school and timeframe involved. Make your own conclusions.

Anyway, that's going to be three fewer professors available for instruction. I hope they bring in suitable replacements for you all.

You're obviously talking about Boyajian. I liked her okay, but she's not exactly Osler. Her lectures weren't that great if ask me and a significant portion of the incoming class would have never rotated with her anyway. I guess Willsie is still the dean. She is good but she only gave a couple of lectures a year and I am not sure she did much on the wards. Granted, turnover is always concerning, but it happens everywhere. Losing a couple of family medicine faculty is not the end of the world I assure you. You can learn family med from anyone, anywhere. Not a slam, just the truth. Replacing them with some additional biochem and microbiology instructors to bolster Step 1 scores would be an upgrade if you ask me.