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Kirby - Game Thread
Started by Animal Midwife
Tbf she did say should would be gone all day and get back late.
Tbh I would be shocked if she didn’t put one wolf as a wolf in the GTH game. She probably would have picked one she knew could either 1) handle the sus or 2) wasn’t getting much attention.
Boquise
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I dont understand how anyone cant understand my flipflopping when I had just written 2-3 posts talking about my unsureness. This sounds like a way to sow both misgivings on me and misgivings on the dubz wagon without looking overly dirty doing it
This is also an example on discrediting people on the dubz wagon (this was written to Dr Wilgy)
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (1) - Pippy 3
Boq (1) - samac 5
Dina (1) - Boq 4
3/13
yeet close in ~34.5 hours
Wilgy (1) - Pippy 3
Boq (1) - samac 5
Dina (1) - Boq 4
3/13
yeet close in ~34.5 hours
For reference
I wanted to be back up buddies with moon but i don’t know that I’ve felt great about her progression
Boquise
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Genny falls straight into the role of "townie who death tunnels me". It happens in every single champ-esque game I have played as town, aside from the time I was PR and could immediately snap those reads in half. Town usually have issues with how I create and voice reads, and how I also post. I have previously been told that I sound slimy. I tried several times yesterday, in a jokish manner, to make Genny explore her read in the open, which she ignored. This is par for the course and I have read the script. If Genny was scum she would have a great opportunity to voice her scum read on me when I wasn't around to perhaps turn around the Dubz wagon, especially when I am subtly shaded by Dina.
With that + her having the most unique takes in JJJ's exercise spews her town.
Samac is also spewed town for keeping up misgivings on me, snap voting me today makes sense from her town perspective and she could've easily done that yesterday due to our conversation and how I "oopsed" in our talk about her and Nate. I gave her there a nice opportunity to start a wagon on me. She did not.
Mayo is imo spewed town due to how his wagon kept competing against Dubz' for a long time. I don't think Dubz tried that hard making people not vote Mayo either.
Mothy is still town despite being wrong on Dubz. Being wrong is not scummy. I read her defence post as genuine and I dont think a first time ever wolf would pull that off (maybe i will eat those words but i will talk in absolutes tbh)
Nate, idk. His wagon kinda died for the sake of Dubz' wagon.
With that + her having the most unique takes in JJJ's exercise spews her town.
Samac is also spewed town for keeping up misgivings on me, snap voting me today makes sense from her town perspective and she could've easily done that yesterday due to our conversation and how I "oopsed" in our talk about her and Nate. I gave her there a nice opportunity to start a wagon on me. She did not.
Mayo is imo spewed town due to how his wagon kept competing against Dubz' for a long time. I don't think Dubz tried that hard making people not vote Mayo either.
Mothy is still town despite being wrong on Dubz. Being wrong is not scummy. I read her defence post as genuine and I dont think a first time ever wolf would pull that off (maybe i will eat those words but i will talk in absolutes tbh)
Nate, idk. His wagon kinda died for the sake of Dubz' wagon.
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It would be valuable to determine who moved their vote from mayo to Dubz, if anyone, for the sake of assessing both them and mayo.
I can’t look it up right now.
I can’t look it up right now.
Boquise
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JJJ had an imo scummy reaction to the Dubz wagon. In the sense that it felt like JJJ knew it was "too late" jumping on the wagon without looking like a bandwagoner, instead giving it his written approval. Still focused mostly on pushing LHF players. If JJJ is scum, Mayo is cleared. A point in JJJ's town favour is that Potential died over Zenge, who said he would push JJJ if Dubz flipped woof.
Moon has voted Mothy because "ties" and nothing else I really remember. Thread-position-wise, she is where I believe wolves would want to be - middle of the pack.
I think Pippy is sorta spewed town too? Her vote made me sad because it screwed my last post over D< but there were powers inside the thread that wanted her yeeted (and I was one of them). Maybe I am clearing her too easily, but I also base this off Genny's read on Pippy and yesterday showed it pays off to trust your town reads so.
and yeah Zenge is town
I think those are all?
Moon has voted Mothy because "ties" and nothing else I really remember. Thread-position-wise, she is where I believe wolves would want to be - middle of the pack.
I think Pippy is sorta spewed town too? Her vote made me sad because it screwed my last post over D< but there were powers inside the thread that wanted her yeeted (and I was one of them). Maybe I am clearing her too easily, but I also base this off Genny's read on Pippy and yesterday showed it pays off to trust your town reads so.
and yeah Zenge is town
I think those are all?
DrWilgy
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What do others think of Samac re Dubz here?
This view seemed important to me as Samac pointing out that the Dubz wagon had resistance is what kept me from jumping from the wagon in paranoia. It very much settled the fear that Dubz was just an out of control wagon and thus I think it's likely T and can write Samac off as not bussing.
By the time the cap lifted the Dubz wagon had run away. I felt no urgency to vote but went along with it anyway.
So your assessment is correct in all but the motivation, Boq. Without the cap I probably vote when you did.
So your assessment is correct in all but the motivation, Boq. Without the cap I probably vote when you did.
Boquise
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yeah like i understand your town pov too if you are town. The pieces point to scum motivation too however
Just pip I think.
Boquise
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The problem is, JJJ, that town are usually super paranoid about my takes and cant get over how I both can be razor sharp with some reads but also flip-flop, despite my reasoning being purely logical. Scum however, super understand where I am coming from, which makes it logically difficult for them to even push me, because they see how my pov makes sense and just... That's hard to start battling tbh
So this kinda sucks if you are town, because it would be such a rare reaction
So this kinda sucks if you are town, because it would be such a rare reaction
I think Samac has been genuine with liking me and town reading me despite generally eating n00bs. I think I did mention somewhere (perhaps only in my brain) that something did feel different to me about Dubz this game compared to the only other game I played with her. I don’t think there was any bussing with Samac—I think Samac genuinely wanted to take a chance at yeeting Dubz even if it resulted in a misyeet.
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Boquise
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care to share with class why you are hmming at this post? @samac @DrWilgy
DrWilgy
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Spoiled below is a big chunk of text containing all the polls. Just wanted to condense them to one place for review.
Boquise
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Do you really think your post made me more prone to vote Dubz, or had any sort of influence of my vote?
Boquise
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gth i kinda wanna say that this is a good look for samac?
No, I’m saying I probably should have kept my joke to myself. It’s a buttload of wifom anyway. Either you bussed or you didn’t, and I don’t know whether I’ll be able to figure it out without your death.
No, that reaction from me was just genuine surprise.
Fek top
Boquise
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Your joke and me openly stating that I understood it was a joke also showing that I understand that you were subtly shading me and calling me a busser, is indeed wifom.
So lets play a game.
I am a wolf. You call me out as bussing before I can re-join the wagon I was originally the first to vote on.
I basically say "well now I am not doing it" (this would be open wolfing)
Then I turn around, and still cast the vote.
What is my agenda?
If my agenda is "to bus", why do I make it more difficult for myself than it has to be?
Why are you alive rn if I am a wolf?
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Boquise
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you were/are, but i have to check blind spots regarding you and Dubz tbh
Boquise
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If Moon is scum, Mothy is always town
DrWilgy
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Notable observations from the polls:
Dubz switched to Pippy as Genny swapped off, but this also gave us an expected wagon of (likely)T, (self asses)T, W on a player. Makes me think Pippy is town. (see yeet close in ~24 hours)
There's likely a wolf in either Moon, JJJ or Moth based on 11/15. The moth wagon of 4 with one confirmed townie and Pippy as likely T based on the above would indicate a 1 in 3 existing here. (yeet close in ~22.5 hours)
Dubz shifted the momentum of the 3/3/3 split between Pippy/Mayo/Nate onto Nate. I'd say this likely clears Nate. (see yeet close in ~7.5 hours)
Pippy jumped off the CW and onto dubz in the half hour where Boq, and Dina also joined. Very good look for Pippy. (yeet close in ~2 hours)
Mayo and Moon go from non vote to JJJ. Can solving JJJ I think should have some import. (see Final Day 1 Yeet Tally)
Conclusions are that Pippy and Nate are likely T. If there was a Bus it was in Dina/Boq.
Solving JJJ would result in either a dif check between Moon/Moth (if JJJ T).
Solving JJJ would allow observation as to if Moon/Mayo's last min votes were actually important.
Boquise
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Why is it a bus in either me or Dina?
DrWilgy
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Because it doesn't make sense for either of the early voters in Zenge/Samac to be bussing here, and VCA almost always indicates that Pippy is T with the exception of Dubz explicitly informing their team to bus them at the 4/4 split.
Boquise
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Why does it make sense that I bus Dubz then and there and with those posts?
What I am critical of is that you are limiting your clears.
Not to immediately undercut my own vote, but I don't really have any scum reads right now. I probably won't vote JJJ, Boq, samac, Nate, or Zenge, and I think genny and Pippy still feel fine, but IDK on mighty, Dina, mayo, moth, and Wilgy. My IDKs feel a little LHF though; I'm worried I'm misclearing someone.
(I'm also worried we may be in for the classic champs experience of "kill a wolf D1, town loses in F5 anyway." I assume I'll contribute by being bad.)
(I'm also worried we may be in for the classic champs experience of "kill a wolf D1, town loses in F5 anyway." I assume I'll contribute by being bad.
)
DrWilgy
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idk dude, that review had nothing to do with your posts, it was strictly vca.
Actually assessing if the conclusions I've come to re VCA makes sense regarding posting comes later.
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Boquise
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Like,
I had a pretty good set up to vote Dubz without it being weird at all, considering my previous votes and misgivings. That would grant me credit to go forward. Instead I chose to tank that credit by teasing a Mayo vote, talk about everyone else I want to vote, going back and forth on who to vote, vote Dubz to then immediately unvote Dubz, to ultimately just land on Dubz anyway without even using any other person's post to influence my vote. Basically just talking in a vacuum before voting. The reason to bus is to get credit. My play was the opposite of caring about credit. I think that is a key to understand my play.
I had a pretty good set up to vote Dubz without it being weird at all, considering my previous votes and misgivings. That would grant me credit to go forward. Instead I chose to tank that credit by teasing a Mayo vote, talk about everyone else I want to vote, going back and forth on who to vote, vote Dubz to then immediately unvote Dubz, to ultimately just land on Dubz anyway without even using any other person's post to influence my vote. Basically just talking in a vacuum before voting. The reason to bus is to get credit. My play was the opposite of caring about credit. I think that is a key to understand my play.
Boquise
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If it is strictly vca, I want to know why vote #6 is more likely town than vote #5 and vote #7
DrWilgy
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because #6, Pippy, LEFT the counter wagon to be on Dubz.
Boquise
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And vote #5 could have been #5 on the counter wagon.
What about moon town? Does that say anything about mothy/others? 😇
DrWilgy
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but it wasn't? What is this point you are trying to make here?
DrWilgy
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Moon being town greatly increases the chance of JJJ or Moth being a wolf if that helps.
Boquise
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And Pippy's vote did not stay on the counterwagon.
My point is that your vca is flawed.
DrWilgy
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If the point you are trying to make is 'Why does the tie break vote' get less credit than the vote swing or Dina's vote, then I think I assess it like so:
Pippy's vote > Your vote > Dina's vote, where Dina is the most likely busser.
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