Kirby - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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The best thing I can say for Boq is that if I hadn’t been post-capped, I might have handled that situation exactly the way he did. His posts flowed from my brain.

 

[Zenge142]

Being the last one on the wagon is nagl too.

Tbf she did say should would be gone all day and get back late.

 

[samac]

Thanks for reminding me of my post from yesterday. I can’t recall DubZ ever calling a packmate a wolf on D1 before. Especially before the wagon was rolling.

As much to prove my reason for clearing moon and confirming again my feels on Pippy, as to help reinforce my affiliation.

@genny @samac @PippyPony @Zenge142 and anyone else who plays regularly with her.

Am I right about that?

Tbh I would be shocked if she didn’t put one wolf as a wolf in the GTH game. She probably would have picked one she knew could either 1) handle the sus or 2) wasn’t getting much attention.

 

[Boquise]

I don't understand your flip flopping on dubz

I dont understand how anyone cant understand my flipflopping when I had just written 2-3 posts talking about my unsureness. This sounds like a way to sow both misgivings on me and misgivings on the dubz wagon without looking overly dirty doing it

I don't understand why you're voting dubz then

This is also an example on discrediting people on the dubz wagon (this was written to Dr Wilgy)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (1) - Pippy 3
Boq (1) - samac 5
Dina (1) - Boq 4

3/13
yeet close in ~34.5 hours

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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I will share more thoughts about this stuff in a little bit. I just wanted to get the data to y'all for the moment. Please let me know if I recorded anything incorrectly.

For reference

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tbh I would be shocked if she didn’t put one wolf as a wolf in the GTH game. She probably would have picked one she knew could either 1) handle the sus or 2) wasn’t getting much attention.

You
moonster
Pippy
mayo

Those were Dubz’s four wolf reads GTH.

 

[Boquise]

Dr Wilgy is obviously town because wolves would try way harder to make a convincing case to vote Dubz than just yolo vote someone he has said was town. It does not make sense from a scum perspective. It makes more sense to scum read my approach over Wilgy's

 

[samac]

You
moonster
Pippy
mayo

Those were Dubz’s four wolf reads GTH.

I wanted to be back up buddies with moon but i don’t know that I’ve felt great about her progression

 

[Boquise]

Genny falls straight into the role of "townie who death tunnels me". It happens in every single champ-esque game I have played as town, aside from the time I was PR and could immediately snap those reads in half. Town usually have issues with how I create and voice reads, and how I also post. I have previously been told that I sound slimy. I tried several times yesterday, in a jokish manner, to make Genny explore her read in the open, which she ignored. This is par for the course and I have read the script. If Genny was scum she would have a great opportunity to voice her scum read on me when I wasn't around to perhaps turn around the Dubz wagon, especially when I am subtly shaded by Dina.

With that + her having the most unique takes in JJJ's exercise spews her town.

Samac is also spewed town for keeping up misgivings on me, snap voting me today makes sense from her town perspective and she could've easily done that yesterday due to our conversation and how I "oopsed" in our talk about her and Nate. I gave her there a nice opportunity to start a wagon on me. She did not.

Mayo is imo spewed town due to how his wagon kept competing against Dubz' for a long time. I don't think Dubz tried that hard making people not vote Mayo either.

Mothy is still town despite being wrong on Dubz. Being wrong is not scummy. I read her defence post as genuine and I dont think a first time ever wolf would pull that off (maybe i will eat those words but i will talk in absolutes tbh)

Nate, idk. His wagon kinda died for the sake of Dubz' wagon.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It would be valuable to determine who moved their vote from mayo to Dubz, if anyone, for the sake of assessing both them and mayo.

I can’t look it up right now.

 

[Boquise]

JJJ had an imo scummy reaction to the Dubz wagon. In the sense that it felt like JJJ knew it was "too late" jumping on the wagon without looking like a bandwagoner, instead giving it his written approval. Still focused mostly on pushing LHF players. If JJJ is scum, Mayo is cleared. A point in JJJ's town favour is that Potential died over Zenge, who said he would push JJJ if Dubz flipped woof.

Moon has voted Mothy because "ties" and nothing else I really remember. Thread-position-wise, she is where I believe wolves would want to be - middle of the pack.

I think Pippy is sorta spewed town too? Her vote made me sad because it screwed my last post over D< but there were powers inside the thread that wanted her yeeted (and I was one of them). Maybe I am clearing her too easily, but I also base this off Genny's read on Pippy and yesterday showed it pays off to trust your town reads so.

and yeah Zenge is town

I think those are all?

 

[DrWilgy]

Oh the wagon did get bigger than I realized
But I also don’t feel like it’s been a wagon that’s had no resistance

What do others think of Samac re Dubz here?

This view seemed important to me as Samac pointing out that the Dubz wagon had resistance is what kept me from jumping from the wagon in paranoia. It very much settled the fear that Dubz was just an out of control wagon and thus I think it's likely T and can write Samac off as not bussing.

 

[Boquise]

Oh I forgot Mighty, my little sidekick. Perhaps they are evil after all. Who knows. I need to read their posts more carefully tbh

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

By the time the cap lifted the Dubz wagon had run away. I felt no urgency to vote but went along with it anyway.

So your assessment is correct in all but the motivation, Boq. Without the cap I probably vote when you did.

 

[Boquise]

POE
B. Boquise, esquire
Genny
samac
zenge
Dr Wilgy
Mayo
Mothy
Pippy
Nate
Mighty
Moon
JJJ
Dina

 

[Boquise]

By the time the cap lifted the Dubz wagon had run away. I felt no urgency to vote but went along with it anyway.

So your assessment is correct in all but the motivation, Boq. Without the cap I probably vote when you did.

yeah like i understand your town pov too if you are town. The pieces point to scum motivation too however

 

[samac]

It would be valuable to determine who moved their vote from mayo to Dubz, if anyone, for the sake of assessing both them and mayo.

I can’t look it up right now.

Just pip I think.

 

[Boquise]

The problem is, JJJ, that town are usually super paranoid about my takes and cant get over how I both can be razor sharp with some reads but also flip-flop, despite my reasoning being purely logical. Scum however, super understand where I am coming from, which makes it logically difficult for them to even push me, because they see how my pov makes sense and just... That's hard to start battling tbh

So this kinda sucks if you are town, because it would be such a rare reaction

 

[motheatenlysis]

What do others think of Samac re Dubz here?

This view seemed important to me as Samac pointing out that the Dubz wagon had resistance is what kept me from jumping from the wagon in paranoia. It very much settled the fear that Dubz was just an out of control wagon and thus I think it's likely T and can write Samac off as not bussing.

I think Samac has been genuine with liking me and town reading me despite generally eating n00bs. I think I did mention somewhere (perhaps only in my brain) that something did feel different to me about Dubz this game compared to the only other game I played with her. I don’t think there was any bussing with Samac—I think Samac genuinely wanted to take a chance at yeeting Dubz even if it resulted in a misyeet.

 

[Boquise]

Dr Wilgy is obviously town because wolves would try way harder to make a convincing case to vote Dubz than just yolo vote someone he has said was town. It does not make sense from a scum perspective. It makes more sense to scum read my approach over Wilgy's

care to share with class why you are hmming at this post? @samac @DrWilgy

 

[DrWilgy]

Spoiled below is a big chunk of text containing all the polls. Just wanted to condense them to one place for review.

Spoiler

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Pippy 5

1/15
yeet close in ~35.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Pippy 9

1/15
yeet close in ~34 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Pippy 16
Pippy (1) - Zenge 45

2/15
yeet close in ~33.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Pippy 17
Pippy (2) - Zenge 45, genny 17
mayo (1) - samac 30
samac (1) - dubz 27

5/15
yeet close in ~33 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (3) - Zenge 45, genny 21, Wilgy 17
mayo (1) - samac 36
samac (1) - dubz 30
moth (1) - Pippy 26

6/15
yeet close in ~32 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (3) - Zenge 49, genny 24, Wilgy 21
mayo (1) - samac 36
samac (1) - dubz 35
moth (1) - Pippy 28

6/15
yeet close in ~31.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (3) - Zenge 56, genny 24, Wilgy 21
mayo (1) - samac 36
samac (1) - dubz 42
moth (2) - Pippy 28, PSV 30

7/15
yeet close in ~31 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (3) - Zenge 60, genny 25, Wilgy 21
mayo (1) - samac 38
samac (1) - dubz 47
moth (3) - Pippy 33, PSV 30, moon 18

8/15
yeet close in ~28.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (2) - Zenge 63, Wilgy 33
mayo (1) - samac 42
samac (1) - dubz 47
moth (3) - Pippy 37, PSV 30, moon 19

7/15
yeet close in ~27.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (2) - Zenge 64, Wilgy 42
mayo (1) - samac 43
samac (1) - dubz 51
moth (4) - Pippy 38, PSV 30, moon 20, JJJ 68

8/15
yeet close in ~27 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 66, Wilgy 49, dubz 58
mayo (1) - samac 45
samac () -
moth (4) - Pippy 41, PSV 34, moon 21, JJJ 72
dubz (1) - Boq 26
JJJ (1) - moth 32

11/15
yeet close in ~24 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 68, Wilgy 54, dubz 58
mayo () -
samac () -
moth (4) - Pippy 41, PSV 39, moon 21, JJJ 73
dubz (1) - Boq 26
JJJ (1) - moth 42
Nate (1) - samac 54

11/15
yeet close in ~23 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 69, Wilgy 57, dubz 58
mayo () -
samac () -
moth (4) - Pippy 41, PSV 40, moon 21, JJJ 73
dubz (1) - Boq 26
JJJ (1) - mighty 10
Nate (1) - samac 57

11/15
yeet close in ~22.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 71, Wilgy 57, dubz 58
mayo (3) - Pippy 45, JJJ 81, Nate 11
samac () -
moth (2) - PSV 43, moon 21
dubz (1) - Boq 26
JJJ (1) - mighty 12
Nate (1) - samac 61
Wilgy (1) - moth 59

13/15
yeet close in ~20.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 71, Wilgy 57, dubz 74
mayo (3) - Pippy 49, JJJ 82, Nate 15
samac () -
moth (2) - PSV 43, moon 28
dubz (1) - Boq 34
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (2) - samac 69, genny 37
Wilgy (1) - moth 60

14/15
yeet close in ~11 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 9
Pippy (3) - Zenge 75, Wilgy 69, dubz 89
mayo (3) - Pippy 50, JJJ 100, Nate 15
samac () -
moth (2) - PSV 43, moon 28
dubz () -
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (3) - genny 43, samac 90, Boq 65
Wilgy (1) - moth 60

14/15
yeet close in ~10 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 9
Pippy (3) - Zenge 80, Wilgy 76, dubz 97
mayo (3) - Pippy 50, JJJ 104, Nate 15
samac () -
moth (2) - PSV 43, moon 30
dubz () -
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (3) - genny 43, samac 97, Boq 73
Wilgy (1) - moth 60

14/15
yeet close in ~9.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 17
Pippy (2) - Zenge 89, Wilgy 77
mayo (4) - Pippy 50, JJJ 118, Nate 15, moon 34
samac () -
moth (1) - PSV 51
dubz () -
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (4) - genny 49, samac 102, Boq 77, dubz 107
Wilgy (1) - moth 62

14/15
yeet close in ~7.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 22
Pippy (2) - Zenge 91, Wilgy 77
mayo (4) - Pippy 50, JJJ 120, Nate 15, moon 34
samac () -
moth (1) - PSV 51
dubz () -
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (4) - genny 49, samac 108, Boq 82, dubz 107
Wilgy (1) - moth 62

14/15
yeet close in ~7 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 23
Pippy (1) - Wilgy 78
mayo (4) - Pippy 50, JJJ 120, Nate 19, moon 34
samac () -
moth (1) - PSV 52
dubz (2) - Zenge 101, samac 110
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (3) - genny 51, dubz 122, Boq 98
Wilgy (1) - moth 67

14/15
yeet close in ~6 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 30
Pippy (2) - Wilgy 78, dubz 124
mayo (4) - Pippy 54, JJJ 124, Nate 21, moon 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (3) - Zenge 104, samac 111, PSV 57
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (2) - genny 55, Boq 106
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

14/15
yeet close in ~4.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 33
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (4) - Pippy 54, JJJ 125, Nate 24, moon 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (4) - Zenge 112, samac 113, PSV 70, Wilgy 84
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (2) - genny 60, Boq 109
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

14/15
yeet close in ~3.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 37
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (4) - Pippy 60, JJJ 125, Nate 24, moon 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (4) - Zenge 125, samac 116, PSV 75, Wilgy 84
JJJ (1) - mighty 18
Nate (1) - genny 65
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

13/15
yeet close in ~2.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (3) - JJJ 125, Nate 25, moon 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 125, samac 119, PSV 80, Wilgy 84, Boq 125, Pippy 64, Dina 27
JJJ (1) - mighty 18
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

14/15
Missing: mayo 42
yeet close in ~2 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (2) - JJJ 125, Nate 27
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 125, samac 123, PSV 84, Wilgy 88, Boq 125, Pippy 67, Dina 30
JJJ (1) - mighty 20
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

13/15
Missing: mayo 47, moon 35
yeet close in ~1 hour

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 135
mayo (2) - JJJ 146, Nate 31
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 128, samac 141, PSV 91, Wilgy 88, Boq 126, Pippy 74, Dina 33
JJJ (1) - mighty 28
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

13/15
Missing: mayo 56, moon 38
yeet close in ~25 minutes

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 143
mayo (2) - JJJ 152, Nate 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 130, samac 151, PSV 101, Wilgy 89, Boq 126, Pippy 74, Dina 35
JJJ (2) - mighty 34, mayo 65, moon 40
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

15/15
yeet close in ~9 minutes

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 147
mayo (2) - JJJ 160, Nate 37
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 131, samac 160, PSV 107, Wilgy 89, Boq 126, Pippy 77, Dina 42
JJJ (3) - mighty 41, mayo 66, moon 44
Nate (1) - genny 67
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

15/15

 

[Boquise]

No, it was a tie-making vote. Boq was the tie-breaking vote after I suggested he rev that bus

Do you really think your post made me more prone to vote Dubz, or had any sort of influence of my vote?

 

[Boquise]

She's tricksy that one. Always using those shouty caps to get on people's good side.

How do you feel about her so far?

gth i kinda wanna say that this is a good look for samac?

 

[genny]

Do you really think your post made me more prone to vote Dubz, or had any sort of influence of my vote?

No, I’m saying I probably should have kept my joke to myself. It’s a buttload of wifom anyway. Either you bussed or you didn’t, and I don’t know whether I’ll be able to figure it out without your death.

 

[Boquise]

i just realised that my reason to scum read dina and my reason to scum read jjj are diametrically opposite each other
have to write down the reasons more clearly for myself tbh

 

[motheatenlysis]

POE
B. Boquise, esquire
Genny
samac
zenge
Dr Wilgy
Mayo
Mothy
Pippy
Nate
Mighty
Moon
JJJ
Dina

lol esquire.

Wait I thought I was your too town read?

 

[genny]

Oh, while I'm thinking on it I figured I'd notate it.

My Dubz vote was weird, but the players that seemed to have an outward opposition to the weird vote was Genny and Dina from what I recall. I'll go back and see if that's true or not, but seems important to at least iterate.

No, that reaction from me was just genuine surprise.

 

[motheatenlysis]

Fek top

 

[Boquise]

No, I’m saying I probably should have kept my joke to myself. It’s a buttload of wifom anyway. Either you bussed or you didn’t, and I don’t know whether I’ll be able to figure it out without your death.

Your joke and me openly stating that I understood it was a joke also showing that I understand that you were subtly shading me and calling me a busser, is indeed wifom.

So lets play a game.
I am a wolf. You call me out as bussing before I can re-join the wagon I was originally the first to vote on.
I basically say "well now I am not doing it" (this would be open wolfing)
Then I turn around, and still cast the vote.
What is my agenda?
If my agenda is "to bus", why do I make it more difficult for myself than it has to be?
Why are you alive rn if I am a wolf?

 

[Boquise]

lol esquire.

Wait I thought I was your too town read?

you were/are, but i have to check blind spots regarding you and Dubz tbh

 

[Boquise]

Moon has voted Mothy because "ties" and nothing else I really remember. Thread-position-wise, she is where I believe wolves would want to be - middle of the pack.

If Moon is scum, Mothy is always town

 

[DrWilgy]

Spoiled below is a big chunk of text containing all the polls. Just wanted to condense them to one place for review.

Notable observations from the polls:

Dubz switched to Pippy as Genny swapped off, but this also gave us an expected wagon of (likely)T, (self asses)T, W on a player. Makes me think Pippy is town. (see yeet close in ~24 hours)

There's likely a wolf in either Moon, JJJ or Moth based on 11/15. The moth wagon of 4 with one confirmed townie and Pippy as likely T based on the above would indicate a 1 in 3 existing here. (yeet close in ~22.5 hours)

Dubz shifted the momentum of the 3/3/3 split between Pippy/Mayo/Nate onto Nate. I'd say this likely clears Nate. (see yeet close in ~7.5 hours)

Pippy jumped off the CW and onto dubz in the half hour where Boq, and Dina also joined. Very good look for Pippy. (yeet close in ~2 hours)

Mayo and Moon go from non vote to JJJ. Can solving JJJ I think should have some import. (see Final Day 1 Yeet Tally)

Conclusions are that Pippy and Nate are likely T. If there was a Bus it was in Dina/Boq.

Solving JJJ would result in either a dif check between Moon/Moth (if JJJ T).

Solving JJJ would allow observation as to if Moon/Mayo's last min votes were actually important.

 

[Boquise]

Notable observations from the polls:

Dubz switched to Pippy as Genny swapped off, but this also gave us an expected wagon of (likely)T, (self asses)T, W on a player. Makes me think Pippy is town. (see yeet close in ~24 hours)

There's likely a wolf in either Moon, JJJ or Moth based on 11/15. The moth wagon of 4 with one confirmed townie and Pippy as likely T based on the above would indicate a 1 in 3 existing here. (yeet close in ~22.5 hours)

Dubz shifted the momentum of the 3/3/3 split between Pippy/Mayo/Nate onto Nate. I'd say this likely clears Nate. (see yeet close in ~7.5 hours)

Pippy jumped off the CW and onto dubz in the half hour where Boq, and Dina also joined. Very good look for Pippy. (yeet close in ~2 hours)

Mayo and Moon go from non vote to JJJ. Can solving JJJ I think should have some import. (see Final Day 1 Yeet Tally)

Conclusions are that Pippy and Nate are likely T. If there was a Bus it was in Dina/Boq.

Solving JJJ would result in either a dif check between Moon/Moth (if JJJ T).

Solving JJJ would allow observation as to if Moon/Mayo's last min votes were actually important.

Why is it a bus in either me or Dina?

 

[DrWilgy]

Further based on VCA, do these team combinations make sense?

Dina/Dubz/Moon
Dina/Dubz/Moth
Dina/Dubz/JJJ
Boq/Dubz/Moon
Boq/Dubz/Moth
Boq/Dubz/JJJ

 

[moonstermash]

Vote mighty

Based on this (and a quick ISO to check for myself):

I feel like mighty has been really hollow (mostly commenting about other people's reads rather than the substance of them). Want to see more actual stances from them.

 

[DrWilgy]

Why is it a bus in either me or Dina?

Because it doesn't make sense for either of the early voters in Zenge/Samac to be bussing here, and VCA almost always indicates that Pippy is T with the exception of Dubz explicitly informing their team to bus them at the 4/4 split.

 

[Boquise]

Because it doesn't make sense for either of the early voters in Zenge/Samac to be bussing here, and VCA almost always indicates that Pippy is T with the exception of Dubz explicitly informing their team to bus them at the 4/4 split.

Why does it make sense that I bus Dubz then and there and with those posts?
What I am critical of is that you are limiting your clears.

 

[moonstermash]

Not to immediately undercut my own vote, but I don't really have any scum reads right now. I probably won't vote JJJ, Boq, samac, Nate, or Zenge, and I think genny and Pippy still feel fine, but IDK on mighty, Dina, mayo, moth, and Wilgy. My IDKs feel a little LHF though; I'm worried I'm misclearing someone.

(I'm also worried we may be in for the classic champs experience of "kill a wolf D1, town loses in F5 anyway." I assume I'll contribute by being bad. )

 

[DrWilgy]

Why does it make sense that I bus Dubz then and there and with those posts?
What I am critical of is that you are limiting your clears.

idk dude, that review had nothing to do with your posts, it was strictly vca.

Actually assessing if the conclusions I've come to re VCA makes sense regarding posting comes later.

 

[Boquise]

Like,

I had a pretty good set up to vote Dubz without it being weird at all, considering my previous votes and misgivings. That would grant me credit to go forward. Instead I chose to tank that credit by teasing a Mayo vote, talk about everyone else I want to vote, going back and forth on who to vote, vote Dubz to then immediately unvote Dubz, to ultimately just land on Dubz anyway without even using any other person's post to influence my vote. Basically just talking in a vacuum before voting. The reason to bus is to get credit. My play was the opposite of caring about credit. I think that is a key to understand my play.

 

[Boquise]

idk dude, that review had nothing to do with your posts, it was strictly vca.

Actually assessing if the conclusions I've come to re VCA makes sense regarding posting comes later.

If it is strictly vca, I want to know why vote #6 is more likely town than vote #5 and vote #7

 

[DrWilgy]

If it is strictly vca, I want to know why vote #6 is more likely town than vote #5 and vote #7

because #6, Pippy, LEFT the counter wagon to be on Dubz.

 

[Boquise]

because #6, Pippy, LEFT the counter wagon to be on Dubz.

And vote #5 could have been #5 on the counter wagon.

 

[moonstermash]

If Moon is scum, Mothy is always town

What about moon town? Does that say anything about mothy/others? 😇

 

[DrWilgy]

Pippy effectively provided a 2 vote swing in favor of Dubz. I don't see a W teammate doing that when it was either 4/4 or 4/5.

 

[DrWilgy]

And vote #5 could have been #5 on the counter wagon.

but it wasn't? What is this point you are trying to make here?

 

[DrWilgy]

What about moon town? Does that say anything about mothy/others? 😇

Moon being town greatly increases the chance of JJJ or Moth being a wolf if that helps.

 

[Boquise]

but it wasn't? What is this point you are trying to make here?

And Pippy's vote did not stay on the counterwagon.
My point is that your vca is flawed.

 

[DrWilgy]

but it wasn't? What is this point you are trying to make here?

If the point you are trying to make is 'Why does the tie break vote' get less credit than the vote swing or Dina's vote, then I think I assess it like so:
Pippy's vote > Your vote > Dina's vote, where Dina is the most likely busser.