LECOM - Bradenton Discussion thread 2008-2009

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You can't really do that, actually. All students have to swipe into the building with their ID card. Anyone who doesn't have an ID card has to stop off at security and sign in. I suppose you could get in touch with a student and they could put in a guest form for you, though it would probably be more helpful and less stressful if you talked with Heather about it. She rocks with stuff like this!

Back to class...
 
Everyone keeps saying "You must be sooooo excited. I'd be freaking out right now!" and it feels odd, but I'm not. The biggest thing I feel now is relief. I'm waiting for it to sink in.

I thought I was the only one, everyone around me seems like there more excited than me. I thought I would feel this rush of accomplishment but instead I went to sleep early that night and didnt talk to anyone. I guess maybe its because there was more anticipation in the chase of the whole thing and when I received it, I felt like it was to easy.
 
I am sure we all felt that way at some point. For me it was more the feeling of "ok.. now what have I gotten myself into?"

... I didn't know. Back to studying.. CE Exam in 45 mins!
 
I thought I was the only one, everyone around me seems like there more excited than me. I thought I would feel this rush of accomplishment but instead I went to sleep early that night and didnt talk to anyone. I guess maybe its because there was more anticipation in the chase of the whole thing and when I received it, I felt like it was to easy.

Yeah. I felt the same way. I was really stressing about it before, too. Maybe it's just that class doesn't start for us for another nine months.
 
Random? Maybe. I do know, however, that if you called up that they would probably hook you up. A Tuesday or Thursday would probably be more appropriate because of interviews Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Well, not completely "random". I just use the word a lot. I may not need it with bradenton, I saw a lot more with that school than nova. I didn't really felt like I saw much with nova.
 
I agree with calling Heather up and just scheduling a visit or something, shouldn't be a problem. Throughout the year I see the occasional interested student/family getting a tour so I don't see it being a big deal.

You've been here so you've pretty much seen the building, but may give your family a chance to see it. Plus if you do stop back by let us know and I'm sure a few of us wouldn't mind meeting up with you/your family and answering any questions.

It's nice to have the choice though. I remember being more relieved than anything else. I was slightly older and had just finished a year of just taking classes as a "post-bacc" so I was just ready to move on with my life.... think my wife was more excited than I was at the time.
 
I am sure we all felt that way at some point. For me it was more the feeling of "ok.. now what have I gotten myself into?"

... I didn't know. Back to studying.. CE Exam in 45 mins!

Goodluck 👍........well its over now actually but I'm sure you did well.
 
Thanks for all the congrats and offers guys. I think, if accepted to Nova, I'm going to go do a second visit at each place with my dad. Do they frown upon random visits?

Just call and set it up. I did the same thing last year and spent the day with a second year and went to class with him. It was very helpful
 
Thank ya sir. If I end up there, we may have to set aside an hour a week (post anatomy of course) to rock it out.
 
Thank ya sir. If I end up there, we may have to set aside an hour a week (post anatomy of course) to rock it out.

Damn straight. A bunch of us have been trying to get together to rock out, but anatomy, alas, has kept up way too busy...

Back to class...
 
Good luck to everyone has their interviews this week.

How many people who have received their acceptances have LECOM-B as their #1 choice so far?
 
Interviewed on Monday, called today and Mrs. Shively told me I was accepted! I absolutely loved the school and PBL looks incredible. I would be very happy to go here!
 
Where do a majority of the students live? I have been looknig at craigslist in the bradenton-sarasota area. Is there a specific apartment complex?
 
what kind of stats, essays, ECs do the people with interviews have?
i was hoping to get some love from this school 😳

Dude, you should be in the clear. Your ECs and Stats are great. My essays talked about leadership, teamwork, and self motivation type stuff. I spent maybe 15 minutes on the essay.
 
Where do a majority of the students live? I have been looknig at craigslist in the bradenton-sarasota area. Is there a specific apartment complex?


There are quite a few places where people live. The "hip" place to live would be the Yacht Club, although places like the Springs at Braden River and the Colonial Grand at Lakewood Ranch have their pods of people, too. There are also a lot of people who simply live in their own areas: rent houses, rent condos, buy houses, etc. If you're looking for a roommate or looking to look for roommates, I would check out www.lecomsgabradenton.com and start getting your name out there.

If you're looking for a 1BR kind of thing you should probably continue looking on Craigslist as they will have the best deals there. I am currently renting a furnished 1BR about 15 minutes from school on a bad day. Hardly ever any traffic and in a beautiful complex. I probably will not live there next year as I have found a ton of friends that I will probably end up rooming with, so if you're looking for a 1BR and you're still stuck come March/April, let me know. I could always talk to my landlord about me moving out (depedning I move in with some friends).

Regardless, make sure if you're using Craigslist or those apartment search websites that you check the distance from the school. My aparanrtment is 9.8 miles from school, but I take the highway most of the way and drive 80 while I'm on it. Not bad. Other places are the same distance but are down SR-70 towards Bradenton so much that you end up hitting lights for 6 miles. Not good. I used www.maps.google.com and compared the location to the school's location. The address of the school is:

5000 Lakewood Ranch Boulevard
Bradenton, FL 34202

If you have any more questions, let me know!
 
Where do a majority of the students live? I have been looknig at craigslist in the bradenton-sarasota area. Is there a specific apartment complex?

BC's right...I would avoid anywhere too far West of I-75. A mile or so is ok, but there are nice places much closer to school than that. The only reason to live out that way is if you HAVE to be close to the beach.

I'd also seriously consider renting a house with some other students if you can. They're hella cheap here...my family has a 4 bedroom with a pool and jacuzzi that's 1 minute from school for 1400...that's like, 350 each if you had 4 people splitting it...There's tons of good deals on houses is my point...you can find them for as low as 1100-1200 for a 2-3 bedroom...look on craigslist, google housing search, etc...
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Regarding stats: I'm not the best person to compare with since I'm a non-trad, but I didn't have ANY of the "typical" things. I was heavily involved in music before deciding to go to med school, so that's most of my background. My band organized and played a bunch of charity gigs...

I had a 28R, very good science gpa, meh overall gpa...
Leadership? I ran a music store...I have a daughter...was drum line captain in high school...nothing too crazy.

I think the main thing is to have SOMETHING that makes you memorable and different. In my case, I was probably "the Music Guy with a family." If you can be the "computer programmer" or "the EMT" then that works too.

I think LECOM-B does an EXCELLENT job of looking at people as a whole and picking people who will excel here. So, just be yourself...be honest, and hope for the best!
 
Thanks for all the congrats and offers guys. I think, if accepted to Nova, I'm going to go do a second visit at each place with my dad. Do they frown upon random visits?
Depends what you want to get out of it. I randomly visited NOVA and had a great experience.
 
Carlton Arms is decent place that everybody forgets to mention. Heated pool, cute surroundings, and 15 minutes from school on route 64. They are having a special deal with school term leases for those interested. My apt is on manatee river and it happens to be my backyard. I have a 2/1 for $867. But I heard it's cheaper now for LECOM students. Check it out. Maybe one of you lucky bastards can get one on the river too!! HAHA

PS LECOM-B has an exceptional reputation during rotations and it's only getting better. Most comments are about our professionalism and great clinical skills. Thank the dress code and Drs. King and Heibel for that! I love it!

carlton arms website
 
Does anyone know the size of many of the hospitals during clinical years? Are there any larger level 1 trauma type areas? While the idea of a nice community hospital for residency sounds ok, I'd like to be in the large hospital for rotations.
 
Does anyone know the size of many of the hospitals during clinical years? Are there any larger level 1 trauma type areas? While the idea of a nice community hospital for residency sounds ok, I'd like to be in the large hospital for rotations.

I'm not completely sure...but I'm sure there are some.

I know we have rotations at some decent size hospitals in St. Pete, Tampa, and Orlando. I think there might be some even bigger ones up north...

I did make a map of most of the rotation sites local to LECOM-B for my own use...way back when...you're welcome to check it out...this should get you there...you may have to click on the check box for lecom-b...weird...

*Disclaimer* Any random comments about the sites are my uninformed opinions, so if I say some place looks lame, it's just because I was bored, or couldn't find much info about it...or it had a crappy pic...I really don't know much about these places...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=102149698835792381960.00044c8f995797d75dc25
 
Are there any larger level 1 trauma type areas? While the idea of a nice community hospital for residency sounds ok, I'd like to be in the large hospital for rotations.

I've come to the conclusion that it's probably good to have a mixture of places during your rotations. There's a common misconception about those "large" hospitals. People think those huge teaching hospitals are great because all the worst cases are there and you get to see lots of pathology. I've decided that that is total crap. There's just as much, or maybe even more, of the "once-in-a-lifetime" cases at my little 204 bed hospital. The difference is that when those cases come along at my hospital, i actually get to participate in the care. I don't sit around and watch the residents fight over it.

In OB last month I got to deliver several babies and sew up the episiotomies and lacerations on my own. I first assisted on a bunch of c-sections. If you're in a big teaching hospital the residents will be doing that while you watch. Every one of my IM rotations was like doing a Sub-I because I carried my own patients, admitted them, tretaed them and discharged them. In addition I rounded on all my attending's other patients and got to see any of the really cool cases that were there-- even if they weren't mine.

However, I also picked a couple of away rotations at larger places. I'm doing an EM rotation at a level one place next month. Why? Because for rotations like that you really need to experience a big, busy place. They have free room and board, which a lot of these places do, so it's not costing me a whole lot. Later on, though, I want to do an EM rotation in a smaller place to compare them.

Some people argue that smaller places don't have the didactics that you get at big teaching hospitals. Trust me, the 5 to 10 hours a week spent in those lectures is more of a hindrance to me than a help. I chose a PBL school because i learn better on my own. I can better use that time to study what I need for the shelf exams and boards. Oh, don't get me wrong. The lecture at noon conference today on "how to use a medical interpretor" was informative... but it won't help me pass the Peds shelf.

Another point is that you get very close to the attendings at a smaller place. You eat in the doctor's lounge every day and get to talk to these guys and gals about all kinds of things. You get to know them and it becomes easy to ask for those LORs you need for residency apps. You're lucky if you get to go into the resident's lounge, much less the doctor's lounge, at one of the big hospitals. The only time you'll see them is on rounds and you'll only talk to them when presenting.

I really think that you need a mix of both in order to get a good, quality clerkship experience. Talk to some people who have done both and get their opinions before you make your final decisions.
 
I agree on the mixture thing. I'm not saying otherwise. I just wanted to know if there are some larger hospitals in the mix. I just would like to chance to network as much as possible and be at places that have more than a small family medicine residency. Most of the hospitals on the website are pretty small it seems. I have nothing against them. Most of my exposure has been in a hospital smaller than 240 beds.

As of right now, I can only compare with the instate rival of NSU. They have hospitals like Broward General in the mix along with the standard small ones. I know the list on the Bradenton site is probably not up to date. I actually looked up each hospital's website and just checked out the basic facts. Like, if we wanted to do a couple rotations at Tampa General, Bayfront or St. Joseph's in that area could we?
 
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... Like, if we wanted to do a couple rotations at Tampa General, Bayfront or St. Joseph's in that area could we?

Bayfront is only taking students in Internal Medicne and OB this year for cores, but you could do electives or selectives there if you scheduled them yourself. Tampa General is currently only doing electives and selectives, not cores.
 
I agree on the mixture thing. I'm not saying otherwise. I just wanted to know if there are some larger hospitals in the mix. I just would like to chance to network as much as possible and be at places that have more than a small family medicine residency. Most of the hospitals on the website are pretty small it seems. I have nothing against them. Most of my exposure has been in a hospital smaller than 240 beds.

As of right now, I can only compete with the instate rival of NSU. They have hospitals like Broward General in the mix along with the standard small ones. I know the list on the Bradenton site is probably not up to date. I actually looked up each hospital's website and just checked out the basic facts. Like, if we wanted to do a couple rotations at Tampa General, Bayfront or St. Joseph's in that area could we?

Thanks for the info scpod. I think there are rotations available in Miami too, but I'm not sure where...I'm not interested, so I haven't bothered to check...

Also remember that there are advantages to being in smaller hospitals...I am personally hoping to do most of my rotations in decent sized community hospitals...with a few electives at larger institutions...

Also, I've heard that NSU sucks in terms of flexibility of rotations...so check that out and consider that as well. I think they require 2 rural rotations, and have less flexibility than LECOM does regarding what you are allowed to take for electives...

Mainly, I'd think about whether you want to do PBL or Lecture.
 
Yea. I'm going to try and do a second look at each location. I do agree with you guys though. Thanks for the info. I really do like community hospitals, especially since I have no real interest in academic medicine. It is simply that I do want the chance to rotate at a larger place with possibly more well known physicians. I know it is jumping ahead of the game a lot and my main focus WILL be on the first two years. I'm just trying to pull in all the information I can to make an educated decision.
 
....I think they require 2 rural rotations, and have less flexibility than LECOM does regarding what you are allowed to take for electives....

I think it's 3 months of rural rotations in your fourth year-- at least it was when I applied. That's one of the resons I decided against Nova. Plus, I've heard that electives aren't true electives because you are limited in the number you can do in one field. I've heard students say they had to lie to the school about what they were doing. However, I think you could get a great education there-- as long as you can put up with the required lectures. I just couldn't handle that either.
 
I think it's 3 months of rural rotations in your fourth year-- at least it was when I applied. That's one of the resons I decided against Nova. Plus, I've heard that electives aren't true electives because you are limited in the number you can do in one field. I've heard students say they had to lie to the school about what they were doing. However, I think you could get a great education there-- as long as you can put up with the required lectures. I just couldn't handle that either.

That might be right...I didn't look too hard because when I got accepted at LECOM-B before I went to my NOVA interview, so I cancelled it...

I did do a LITTLE research before I cancelled though, and personally, didn't like what I saw. That being said, I used to work with an ER doc from NOVA who was really, really good.

But, I'm not a huge fan of all day lectures, living in Ft. Lauderdale with a family, and the restrictive rotations. So...yay, LECOM-B.

But, again, most of my reasons for picking B over NOVA were "personal" and Mosspoh has his own reasons for leaning towards NOVA too...

Ultimately, I would really think looooong and hard about LECTURE vs. PBL. IN the end, that's what it comes down to.

Also, consider this: LECOM-B has the #2 DO board scores in the country. How much would you bet that NOVA is #1 (me? not that much 😉 )
 
Yea, but when you look at the averages of the board scores there isn't much separating. Three or four people can make the difference between being #2 or #3 and being #8. Also, I've been kind of led to believe that while strong board scores are always important, the rotation at the site is the most critical part with osteopathic residencies.

My interview season isn't done, so we'll see. I'm already bouncing around between places though.

The required rural thing is a bit of a turnoff, but I've heard there are lots of little loopholes. Evidently it just has to be an "underserved area", which is a lot of major hospitals too. Also, when they say you can't do something in the same speciality it means you can't sit there and do say general surgery rotations BUT you could go and doa general surgery, vascular, plastic, colorectal, etc. (However many are allowed) Their matchlist doesn't seem to show major restrictions and seems to be about on par with the majority of DO schools. The all day lecture thing IS a bummer, but from what I gathered, you have to "attend" 70% of lectures. Many simply swipe in and then leave OR they just go and study on their own anyway. The second half of the day is all the usual lab type crap most go through anyway.

I'm waiting for some place to come way out of left field and screw everything up. 😛
 
TCOM being #1?

Do you know what the spread is between first and, let's say, tenth?

No idea. Apparently they tell each school their ranking, but don't disclose the other schools' scores.

The #2 thing I heard from LECOM-B during orientation...they don't officially know who #1 is...if they DO know, they aren't saying...

We do have killer board scores though...
 
I had a chart supplied by azcom, its in my car. Number 1 was at about a 99% pass rate, number two was at around 98% pass rate and then the next 10 were all still about 97%-95%. The lowest was at 85% or so, which would be very concerning if I were running that school.
 
I had a chart supplied by azcom, its in my car. Number 1 was at about a 99% pass rate, number two was at around 98% pass rate and then the next 10 were all still about 97%-95%. The lowest was at 85% or so, which would be very concerning if I were running that school.

I have the same chart. But you're talking about pass rates. I'm assuming Digitl was referring to average score. Correct me if I'm wrong, Digitl.
 
I was talking average score, but I have no idea. I'd be interested in seeing that chart though...just for kicks. Anyone wanna post it?

I'm assuming the bar under the 94.9 (that's what the unclear box says) is AZCOM, but I'm not 100% sure. MossPoh, do you remember?
 

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Does anyone have the match lists for LECOM?

Greatly appreciated.
 
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Does anyone have the match lists for LECOM?

Greatly appreciated.

LECOM-B just graduated their first class, so they only have one match list. To me it was among the strongest DO matches I saw from this past year...

Here's about as complete a list as I know of:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=6428420&postcount=349

You'll see 6 anesthesia, 2 rads, 13 EM, ENT, ophtho, ortho, allo path...lots of stuff. It seems like a pretty nice match if you ask me. Nice balance of DO and MD residencies, all over the country...good institutions.
 
Awesome. I never heard of Family Medicine mixed with other residencies too, like the FM/Neuromuscular medicine.
 
LECOM-B just graduated their first class, so they only have one match list. To me it was among the strongest DO matches I saw from this past year...

Here's about as complete a list as I know of:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=6428420&postcount=349

You'll see 6 anesthesia, 2 rads, 13 EM, ENT, ophtho, ortho, allo path...lots of stuff. It seems like a pretty nice match if you ask me. Nice balance of DO and MD residencies, all over the country...good institutions.

Extremely impressive for a first class! . WoW, I'm kinda shocked.

Would u know more or less the Step 1 scores for those who took it? Just wondering how their PBL approach prepares you for that exam.
 
I've seen that, FM/SM, and FM/EM before, but never FM/Derm. Cool!


I think what they did is maybe say where those rotating interships are going ? Although most DO derm programs asks of you to apply during rotating year... so IDK
 
I'm assuming the bar under the 94.9 (that's what the unclear box says) is AZCOM, but I'm not 100% sure. MossPoh, do you remember?

Damn you're on the ball. Yea, I think that was right. I'm a little off on my numbers. After all these interviews I'm learning to take most of it with a grain of salt though. The guy brought up a good point when he said that it only takes one or two people to subpar to bring you down about 3 or 4 places. That might be a bit of an exaggeration but when you're dealing with 100-250 person classes and you are dealing with numbers in the .5 to 1% range that is about right.

All I know now is I have my acceptance letters pinned up on my door so I look at them whenever I come to my computer. The Bradenton letter is much prettier.
 
Extremely impressive for a first class! . WoW, I'm kinda shocked.

Would u know more or less the Step 1 scores for those who took it? Just wondering how their PBL approach prepares you for that exam.

Let me give you some background-- maybe more than you really wanted 🙂. You know that there is a physician shortage in FL. In fact, there are two new MD schools opening in the next couple of years because there are so many people here turning 65 that a crisis is in the making.

Several years ago there were plans for a new osteopathic school, the Florida College of Osteopathic Medicine (FCOM) that was slated to open in Tarpon Springs, FL. There was a lot of suport locally....but the money to do it just wasn't there in the end. A couple of years later, LECOM (who had plenty of money) was looking to expand and looked at property in Tarpon Springs. Instead, they ended up locating in a new planned community not too far away called Lakewood Ranch, between Bradenton and Sarasota. At the time there was a lot of planned development and even more empty land.

Lecom took a chance, got some breaks locally and a bit of money from the state of FL if they would agree to lower tuition for in-state students and Lecom-B was born. If you look at the pics on Google Earth you can see the campus being built-- before the pond was even filled.

Lecom had experience with PBL. They'd been doing it a for a few years in Erie and the students had performed better on the boards than the regular students. They had a theory that just about anyone could do well in PBL. That was a lofty ideal... but it wasn't quite right.

As the "new kid on the block" who also had a whole different curriculum, PBL wasn't as easy a sell as they thought it would be. Not surprisingly, some of the first PBL students in Erie were virtually bribed to try PBL, i.e. they were offered spots in medical school only if they would agree to the PBL track. They went to some post-bacc students, who had no other offers and no other choice, and offered them spots if they would go PBL. It worked. Keep in mind, though, that it as still a small number of folks and they kept a pretty careful eye on them. A whole school of PBL students was a new thing entirely. So, they were forced to take some students that would not have gotten in otherwise and "bribed" a few Erie applicants to join the first class too.

Had everyone simply followed the directions and trusted in PBL from the outset, the first class probably would have done incredibly well. Unfortunately, there were a number of students who refused to embrace the concept. When time came for the boards, a number of folks in the first class had less than stellar scores.

By the time the second class, and the third class after that, matriculated the schoool had become a lot more picky. They zeroed in on those folks who really could excel in a PBL environment. The first class didn't do all that well on Step 1, but the second class absolutely rocked. They trusted in the system and exceded expectations.

Not to be outdone, most of the first class buckled down. Lecom-B identified 12 students in that first class that were in danger of failing Step 2. They offered them the chance to voluntarily miss a month of rotations and come to Bradenton for an intense Step 2 review. 8 of those 12 chose to do that. All 8 of them passed Step 2. The 4 who chose not to do so failed. Yet, 4 out of 152 failures meant that 97% passed-- well above the national average.

Each consecutive class has managed to do better at every step so far. Today, applicants with really good MCATs and GPAs are routinely turned away because they might not excel at PBL. It really takes a special, self-motivated person to do well. Yet, there is no better system for those who can handle it. Why? Because COMLEX is a test that measures how well you can clinically correlate the basic sciences. Likewise, PBL teaches you the basic sciences through clinical correlations.

Most people I've talked to will agree that COMLEX is actually quite a bit easier than our PBL tests. If you can do well on those... you can do well on the boards 🙂.
 
thanks for the info, I hope I can sit in at a PBL session if I get an interview up there
 
impressive little summary of history there. 😉
 
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