LECOM-Erie 3rd and 4th year rotations

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Can someone explain to me how the 3rd and 4th year rotation sites are chosen within the 13 groups and overall how the groups are formed and how individuals within a group choose their rotation sites. Is it possible to do all the rotations in one hospital or one state. I know the group has to agree. For example, is it possible for someone to do all 3rd and 4th year rotations in Michigan icluding all core, selective, and elective rotations, if not what percentage can be done in Michigan?. Also is it mandatory that some rotations must be done in Erie.
 
If I remember correctly,

1. Groups- First, you have to decide what your priority is (specific group or geographic area, floater, or special needs) So, if you wanted to be in a specific group, say group 7, because vacation occurs in July, you would say you want group priority over geographic location. But, if you really want to be in Pittsburgh and don't care all that much about what group your in , you would want geographic priority. Floaters, have different rules, I forget what they are, and special needs pretty much means you set up all your own rotations, this is subject to LECOM approval, I think. An effort is made to place students according to their wishes. A committee of your fellow students, like the class president, and VP and a few others, takes your rankings and somehow makes the groups. You will have a specific geographic location for your core rotations, except if your a floater or special needs. The goal of putting to gether the groups is to make them as diverse as possible, so you don't have a whole bunch of people trying to rotate at the same place, for the same rotation, at the same time.

2. Rotations within a group- Each person submits a list the the group leader saying where they want to rotate. Now, if your the only one in your group in a specific location, you have no one to compete with. Thus, you will more than likely get all the rotations where and when you want them. However, when there are many of you trying to get into the same spot, then you will have to hash it out with each other until it's resolved, or until the group leader or clinical Ed. dept. makes the decision for you. Another area of contention comes with the hospitals that require one student from each group to be there for each of the core rotations. Most of these hospitals are in Erie. Thus, if your in Michigan, you would say let the Erie people fill them b/c they are in Erie, but the Erie people say you should do some too, because they should not have to do all their rotations at the same hospital or all in Erie. So, there can be quite the debate between members of a group.

As for doing all your rotations in Michigan, it is possible, but more than likely you will have to make some consessions and do a few outside of Michigan.

It all works out somehow.🙂
 
Is it possible for someone to do rotations in Michigan like this: 3 rotations at Botsford General Hospital, 3 at Garden City Hospital, 3 at Community Health Center and 3 at Huron-Sinai Valley Hospital. In this way all rotations are not done at the same place.
 
So how many of these rotations (like x out of y) are going to be "group" mandated?

And are any MANDATED (which means no one can get out of it) in Erie? Or do they make exceptions? Thanks.

There are mandatory Erie rotations. Hopfully your group is nice and the Erie people fill those spots. In my group, for the most part, the students rotating in Erie did fill those spots. If no one takes the mandatory spot in your group, the clinical ed department will radomly assign a student
 
Have you ever heard of anyone having trouble getting the rotations in Erie, and staying relatively nearby throughout 3rd and 4th. We bought a home in Erie, and my wife will be staying there, so I would like to stay as close as possible!
 
I'm staying in Erie the whole time, you won't have a problem.
 
Which is the best rotation site in Erie? Is it Hamot?
 
Which is the best rotation site in Erie? Is it Hamot?

It all depends on which doctors you are with at each hospital. I'm mostly at St. V's and will do some electives as Hamot. I'm not doing anything at millcreek, although the psych rotation is really good there from what I hear.
 
poor man,

I'l answer your question first, then tell you how they work it.

Yes you could easily do all your rotations in Michigan, including electives ect.

There are 12 or 13 groups, before nad you tell them your top priority is area (it can be schedule as well). You'll probably get both your area and schedule.

They have mandatories in a bunch of areas, hospitals that they have promised they will send a certain number of students each month. They have done the math to determine how many per group, so don't overthink things and worry about other groups. Basically they have it set up where each group is resposnsable for filling the mandatories in all areas. So if your group 2, you have to always have 1 or 2 people at Millcreek, 1 person at Meadville (erie), 1 person during the Ob rotation has to go to Clarion, 1 person always has to do the Michigan Hosptical X, and 1 to Franklin in Philly.

So, lets say 26 people in your class want to go to Michigan, well then the'll put 2 people in each group, you guys cover the michigan sites, and everyone is happy. Maybe 12 people in your class want to go to Philly, so then 1 in each group and your happy. The key is, if you choose an area, you should cover that area, if you "plug" all the michigan sites, then people who want to go to Philly won't have to travel to michigan, and so on. So you should stick to your area.

Also, don't let the administration scare you, they create alot of un needed anxiety that are really unlikely.
 
Is it possible for someone to do rotations in Michigan like this: 3 rotations at Botsford General Hospital, 3 at Garden City Hospital, 3 at Community Health Center and 3 at Huron-Sinai Valley Hospital. In this way all rotations are not done at the same place.

It possable, but you may be tied more to the hospitals they have mandatory sites with. I don't know about Michigan, but I know there are at least 2 mandatory hospitals there. So you may have to plug 5 rotations at one, but you can always to you Core Selective at any affiliate (affiliates are like a step down from mandatory, they have been approved, but your group doesn't HAVE to send someone there) and your 2 electives, can be at anywhere.

So Yes, to your question, but it will probably be a little less balanced than 3/3/3/2 (remember you get a month off as well)
 
So how many of these rotations (like x out of y) are going to be "group" mandated?

And are any MANDATED (which means no one can get out of it) in Erie? Or do they make exceptions? Thanks.

Our year there were 68 mandatory stots all together, so if you have 13 people in your group, each person should plug about 5.

Erie is good and bad. There are alot of mandatories, so if you pick erie, you will be busy filling mandatories and you most likely not be called to fill something in Detroit or something. So you are pretty assured of staying put. BUT, you end up having to go to Meadville and Millcreek alot. There is really no way around it. They usually have 4 Erie people in a group. Millcreek is good for some rotations, but it is nice to get variety, which can be tough.

However, I was able to get a few elsewhere.

One dynamic you may want to keep in mind is Clarion, its an Erie Mandatory but its like 1:45 away. Pittsburg area ironically didn't have any mandatories that year, Clarion is also about 1:45 from pittsburg, its also a good rotation, so our pittsburg people agreed to fill all those sites, so the Erie people just had to plug Millcreek and Meadville.

Otherwise, Hamat and St. Vincent, as well as VMAC are all good sites.

On the Lecom web site there is a link to clinical rotations and some feedback polls for each rotation at various hospitals, you probably want to check that out.
 
I was just wondering if anyone can tell me how many electives you get during your third and fourth year rotations
 
Just wondering how to get some rotations outside of PA?? I am from the west coast and will attend LECOM this fall. But would like to return to the west coast for residency. I was under the assumption that you have to do a rotation at the site where you want to do you residency. Is this true?? Any help would be great.
 
I am finishing my fourth year at LECOM and can tell you how they ran things when we picked our rotations a couple of years ago. So read this with the caveat that things may be different when you go through it.

For our class, they allowed kids to go through as "special needs" meaning that because of family, finances, etc. you're unable to participate in one of their rotation groups. At least a couple of people were ones with family out on the west coast. One of the drawbacks for our class was that LECOM did not help those people with scheduling their rotations (about 70% of your third year is core/scheduled rotations) which I hope has changed.

As far as being seen at a hospital, it is still possible if you were to rotate in Erie or Ohio or wherever you choose. If planned carefully, you can have two rotations near the end of your third year (a so-called core selective & elective) along with two electives early in the fourth year. Electives can be split into two, two-week blocks which means you can be seen as many as six or seven times. You will see, though, that it may take you longer than two weeks to get to know everyone, earn some responsibility, and shine.

I think the easy answer to your last question is that it depends. I had a friend who was assured a Peds slot at a great program... until she rotated there. Several of my friends matched to great programs without doing a rotation there. If you're a hard-worker and generally get along with people well, it certainly won't hurt you. If your grades/board scores are marginal, then it may make the difference for you. I hope this helps.
 
It's never to early i guess to think about rotations, but I was wondering if it is possible from LECOM to do west coast rotation when you do not have any family members or special needs? I could not open up some of the links that you guys posted is there someone I can talk to about rotations? Thanks for the posts guys. keep it coming.
 
I hate to revive a dead(ish) thread - but I was wondering if anyone could recommend an OB/GYN rotation in the Erie area - right now the choices are very limited, I was thinking Clarion. Also, any recommendations on a pediatric rotation (since there aren't any in Erie) ?
 
Does anyone know what the best IM rotations are? I eventually want to do an IM residency, but I picked priority group...not area. So I may get shafted. My choice locations are Erie, Pittsburgh, NYC, and Buffalo. I do not want to do Millcreek or Scranton.
 
Does anyone know what the best IM rotations are? I eventually want to do an IM residency, but I picked priority group...not area. So I may get shafted. My choice locations are Erie, Pittsburgh, NYC, and Buffalo. I do not want to do Millcreek or Scranton.


I can't help you with picking rotations in your areas, being that I've done all of my rotations in Michigan, Toledo, or Millcreek (A Surg and Psych).

What I can tell you is avoid Millcreek at all cost.
 
Hey guys,

I'm a 2nd year at LECOM-Bradenton and I was wondering if any of you guys know where (or if you could give me) a list of the core affiliates that you guys have and what cores they offer. I'm looking to do a couple of rotations in NYC and would like to know what Long Beach Medical Center, Peninsula Hospital Center, and St. Johns Episcopal Hospital offer in term of core rotations. Any info would be very VERY much appreciated. Thanks!
 
Hey guys,

I'm a 2nd year at LECOM-Bradenton and I was wondering if any of you guys know where (or if you could give me) a list of the core affiliates that you guys have and what cores they offer. I'm looking to do a couple of rotations in NYC and would like to know what Long Beach Medical Center, Peninsula Hospital Center, and St. Johns Episcopal Hospital offer in term of core rotations. Any info would be very VERY much appreciated. Thanks!

There is a ton, PM me your LECOM email address and I will forward you the whole list.
 
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