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A thread for accepted LECOM-SH students
Was accepted today!!!!!! So excited!!!!!!!
im so excited!! i really can't even wait! where are you coming from?
Hey, I got into PBL-E but just wanted to know why you all choose Seton Hill becuase I might want to switch!! Also, just wanted to know if there are older students at Seton Hill than Erie
got my acceptance today! so excited!!
does anyone have any idea how many people have been accepted thus far?
Congratulations!! Looking forward to seeing you in the fall!
I have -no idea- how many people have been accepted so far... I was actually thinking about that recently. It's rough to guess, since I don't know how many people who applied at Erie actually end up at Seton Hill, or even how many interviews Seton Hill does by itself... hm.
Hi guys,
As mentioned before, I'm a current MS__ here at Seton Hill. I noticed a few of you posted in the Facebook LSH group page asking what you should do to prepare for classes; good for you, you want to be prepared!!
I wanted to answer you on FB, but thought this straight-shooting advice would best be suited for SDN.
Everyone will say to you, "Oh take this time to go on vacations and have adventure, because when you start, you won't be able to!."
People told me this too a long time ago.
Unless you are coming from an affluent background and plan on trekking around Africa, Europe, Bali, and having a Swedish massage every single day of the summer before you start classes, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO PRO-ACTIVELY "STORE UP" RELAXATION AND ENERGY FOR MED SCHOOL. lol Nothing.
So for me, moving to Greensburg and just "hanging out" and waiting for classes to start equated to a big WASTE of time.
What would have been a smarter, more productive use of my time was giving myself an edge before I started. I wanted to do this, but stupidly let people talk me out of it.
Your schedule in med school starting from day one will be equivalent to taking 30 credit hours in a senior semester at undergrad college. Don't take my word for it, YOU WILL BE TOLD THIS DURING ORIENTATION Even those of you with tasty science backgrounds will feel overwhelmed every single day (which is normal for a med student) --not because of the content of your subjects, but because of the pace.
For those of you who have never seen a certain science topic before, you will feel EVEN MORE overwhelmed than normal.
Everyone here at LECOM (and most med schools in the country) will agree that THE MOST DIFFICULT class we've got is Anatomy. You may have taken an "anatomy" class during your third or fourth year in undergrad, but this Anatomy will be like nothing you've seen before. It has a TRILLION more detail and at the end of the course, you will take a National Shelf Exam (produced by the same people who write Board Exams) and it will count as your Anatomy final exam.
There is a nice little caveat. Remember back in undergrad where you could have an "A" in a class and during finals week you calculate you "only need" a 37% on the final exam to keep your "A"? Those days are OVER
In med school, a typical final exam is worth 40-60% of your final grade. And they're cumulative. And in the case of Anatomy, if you fail the final exam (National Shelf), you fail the whole class (regardless if the failed final still results in you having a passing grade in the class overall).
Now, don't freak out. These things you get used to and you eventually adjust to medical school life. But if nobody tells you these things, it can come as a psychological shock. I don't want you guys to be psychologically shocked. I care about my little underclassmen
So. What should you do? Like several of my wonderful colleagues over on the FB LSH page recommended: review your anatomy. Or maybe you've never head anatomy in undergrad (it ISN'T a pre-med prerequisite, after all): take this coming summer and LEARN ANATOMY.
Unless LECOM decides to change things, here is the Anatomy textbook you will be using: http://tinyurl.com/ame26ol
(you will also have an interactive DVD to use for your lab, but that can wait).
Buy your Anatomy textbook and READ CHAPTERS 2 (the back), 6 (lower limb), and 7 (upper limb). These will comprise your first Anatomy test. From the time school starts, you will only have 20 days to memorize everything in these three chapters.
If you want the biggest hand-up for your first test (worth 1/3 of your grade), have at least all the origins & insertions of all the muscles, innervations, ligaments, and blood supply to the upper and lower limbs memorized like the back of your hand before school starts.
I'm serious.
One more thing. During orientation week, the professors will have a panel of four or five upperclassmen come and speak during a Q&A. They will be chosen to speak because they are the top of their respective classes and most will probably hold some kind of Officer position. They will tell you what they do to succeed, and give you advice. They are nice people. But they have no idea what is best for YOUR best interest, because the top 10% of a medical school class sadly does not represent the majority of their medical school class.
Why not?
Because people come from different backgrounds. For example, one officer in particular has 8 years of post-graduate medical education under his/her belt before she/he came to LECOM. What does that mean to you? It means that this person has seen this same medical school subject matter 4 or 5 times before--when the majority of the class hasn't even seen it once.That officer had better get an "A" in these classes with such a background.
It will come as no surprise that people like this will have more success than 80% of their peers. These sorts of people will have PLENTY of free time to do extra-curricular activities like volunteering, and officer positions, and holding Q&A. And they'll be involved in sports clubs and a million other things! These people are indeed very bright, caring, and hard-workers, but I wish they would expound more on their background before they start talking to impressionable MS1's. Many of them offered you suggestions on the FB LSH page...
Just realize that the top 5-10% do not correctly academically represent most of you.That's normal. Most of you will not have the luxury of only needing to study 6.5 hours a day in medical school to get an "A." Most of you will not have the luxury of only needing to read your 40 chapters of PBL only twice each to pass your PBL test. Most of you will not have the luxury of being ever asked to hold a Q&A session for your underclassmen when the time comes... Most of you will not have the luxury of "doing nothing" to prepare for classes starting later this year.
The point is, do what's best for you. If that means a different strategy than the next guy, so be it! If anyone has a problem with it, they don't matter! Don't let anyone EVER make you doubt what you find works for you, academically. Most of you will get your fair share of A's and become successful doctors and save many lives.
LECOM is a great school and once again, congratulations.
Sincerely,
X
It's pretty over the top advice. It's medical school, it's going to be more information than you've ever had to take in at once. The analogies you've heard are true (especially the pancake one). But if you stick to it and put in the time, there's no reason you can't make it through.
Don't worry about the anatomy shelf exam. A passing grade is two standard deviations below the national mean (which translates to about the bottom 2% of medical students in the country), and there are many schools around the country that require their students to take it but don't use it for grading, which means that they don't study for it or even just mark "C" for everything. You'd probably have to suffer some kind of traumatic brain injury the night before to fail the course because of it.
I'm not against doing some kind of anatomy pre-studying. I'd recommend it for certain students in certain situations. But I didn't even "have at least all the origins & insertions of all the muscles, innervations, ligaments, and blood supply to the upper and lower limbs memorized like the back of your hand" on the day of that test, much less before the semester started, and I'm doing pretty well in medical school. If you settle in and do the work, you'll make it through.
I also think coming to the area around school early and getting to know my classmates before we got into the thick of things was one of the best things I did.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Big-talk from people who down-play the frequent horrors of transitioning into medschool. I'm doing pretty well in med-school too, but I've had friends--bright, amazingly hard-working, intelligent people close to me-- suffer some incredible self-doubt and shock that affected their first semester's academic performance BADLY because they were totally in the dark as what to expect. And they weren't glass-blowing majors in undergrad.
It can be tough to recover from a devastating first grade, not only because of the psychological effects but because of the playing "catch-up" which is nearly impossible for something like Anatomy, which builds upon previous material and relationships.
Great for you, buddy. I'm glad you're doing good now. And that you're proud that you barely knew the material for your first Anatomy test--good for you also! Some people would like to do better than that. As far as the Shelf, some people also would be happier being a little higher than "the bottom of 2% of medical students in the country."
It's not your place to pronounce judgment on people who dislike suprises, people who need some practice (like a summer's worth) memorizing the equivalent of 1.5 month's worth of undergrad college material in the first 5 days of med school. There's plenty of students who've been out of school for a few years, considering the average age of LECOM students is the mid-20's.
I'm offering this advice for people who need it, or would like it.
The people who are interested, unless they have a picture painted for them, might not even have known that they are interested. But now they've seen the picture. Let the new students look at the material, read the Anatomy chapters I specified, see how long it takes them to memorize those very important structures, and DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEY CONSIDER SOUND ADVICE.
They don't need some upperclassman already insinuating that they're "brain-dead" if they don't do exactly what you did.
There'll be plenty of time for beers and camaraderie and you guys of 2017 will form close friendships with each other, I'm sure. Quite possibly, over a few beers as you pre-study
Great for you, buddy. I'm glad you're doing good now. And that you're proud that you barely knew the material for your first Anatomy test--good for you also! Some people would like to do better than that. As far as the Shelf, some people also would be happier being a little higher than "the bottom of 2% of medical students in the country."
It's not your place to pronounce judgment on people who dislike suprises, people who need some practice (like a summer's worth) memorizing the equivalent of 1.5 month's worth of undergrad college material in the first 5 days of med school. There's plenty of students who've been out of school for a few years, considering the average age of LECOM students is the mid-20's.
The people who are interested, unless they have a picture painted for them, might not even have known that they are interested. But now they've seen the picture. Let the new students look at the material, read the Anatomy chapters I specified, see how long it takes them to memorize those very important structures, and DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEY CONSIDER SOUND ADVICE.
They don't need some upperclassman already insinuating that they're "brain-dead" if they don't do exactly what you did.
There'll be plenty of time for beers and camaraderie and you guys of 2017 will form close friendships with each other, I'm sure. Quite possibly, over a few beers as you pre-study
I think students would be better served figuring out how they study/learn most efficiently then trying to memorize x y and z in Grays.
you will be labeled by your classmates.
How would you know? Tell me, what are you favorite labels you've given to classmates?
As long as I wasn't doing anything malicious or purposely sabotaging or belittling someone else, I'd say the average student is spending too much money in student loans to not do what is best for them.
That's my last post on this subject.
Congratulations on the incoming class! I wanted to throw this out there-- I am a second year student at LECOM-SH heading off for rotations by the end of May. My landlord would be excited to rent to another LECOM student(s). Here is the scoop:
It's a 2 bed 1 bath town-home in a nice and quiet neighborhood. Also has a garage. $650 per month and does not include utilities (but these are pretty inexpensive). It has been a great place and I really recommend it to any couple (or good friends) that might be moving out here. The place is less than 10 minutes to the school (and I mean the parking lot of the school).
Message me if you might be interested and I will be happy to answer any questions-- about the apartment or school, or life.
Best of luck to those still waiting to hear back!
When is a good time to look for housing? I've been looking online, but most units are available in March or April, and I don't want to move until mid-July. Also the earliest I can make it to Greensburg is end of May, which I'm worried will be too late to sign a lease. Thoughts?
HI Everyone!
For those accepted at Seton Hill - How long did it take you to hear back after your interview? Did you receive a phone call or a packet in the mail? I interviewed on Jan. 24th and have not received any communication yet. Please let me know! Thanks!!
I'd heard somewhere that they were backed-up by a couple of weeks. Did your portal change?
Thanks so much. I checked the portal again and now it says "The Admissions Committee has made a decision on your application. You will receive an official letter in the mail within 30 days." AHH!!
There we go Now the twitching can officially commence!
Just got the mail!! Accepted! So excited!!!
I don't have an issue with the dress code, I worked in the real world, but what if i showed up in jeans and a T-shirt due to unforeseen circumstances? Would I be told to go home? Less extreme example: forgot my tie?
If there are any ms3 or 4's reading this Im looking to gain some insight into rotations at LECOM-SH. Any issue finding any? I read in Bradenton some students can't find obgyn rotations. I am fairly n00bish about how rotations work so please excuse any ignorance and educate me and I'm sure many of the other eager first years in this thread. I want to get the most out of my clinical experience, not get stuck in some $h!**y rotations, and hope to know what to expect with the help of someone who's been there and experienced, or is experiencing, it. Are there clearly low-quality or easy rotations that you can get stuck with or I guess choose if you are so inclined? Are they known and avoidable? Do you set up all of your rotations? Are they set up for you? Are you just picking from a list provided by LECOM? Is vacation rotation 4 weeks at once or 28 days throughout the year? Can you choose inpatient over outpatient and vice-versa? Are you having good experiences on your rotations? Doing procedures? Writing notes? Sitting around bored? PM me if you want to keep your opinions on the low-low, I would be very interested in talking further. Thanks!
If there are any ms3 or 4's reading this Im looking to gain some insight into rotations at LECOM-SH. Any issue finding any? I read in Bradenton some students can't find obgyn rotations. I am fairly n00bish about how rotations work so please excuse any ignorance and educate me and I'm sure many of the other eager first years in this thread. I want to get the most out of my clinical experience, not get stuck in some $h!**y rotations, and hope to know what to expect with the help of someone who's been there and experienced, or is experiencing, it. Are there clearly low-quality or easy rotations that you can get stuck with or I guess choose if you are so inclined? Are they known and avoidable? Do you set up all of your rotations? Are they set up for you? Are you just picking from a list provided by LECOM? Is vacation rotation 4 weeks at once or 28 days throughout the year? Can you choose inpatient over outpatient and vice-versa? Are you having good experiences on your rotations? Doing procedures? Writing notes? Sitting around bored? PM me if you want to keep your opinions on the low-low, I would be very interested in talking further. Thanks!
Hey, MS-2 here. I can't tell you exactly about the "quality" of the rotations personally obviously, I can let you know what my ms-3 friends have said but honestly that's not that important from where you are right now (mostly good things/good experieces). EVERY class has had it different in choosing rotations, the formula for success is to get placed in the "right" group-you have no control over this, or choose a good 13 site, which all happens leading up to rotation picking in the fall of ms-2.
A 13 is a site where you can do all of your rotations at one hospital-typically bigger hospitals, many with residency programs. You get 4 weeks of vacation in 3rd year and 4th year, plus you get vacation time around the holidays (thanksgiving and christmas).
There is no issue in finding rotations, there is an abundance of them. The people in Bradenton I can't speak for but if they want to come North they choose rotations after all of us (erie+seton hill) have chosen ours. Still I believe there is more rotations then students to fill them, now the quality of all of these isn't the same. You can choose inpatient vs outpatient on electives and selectives-but this isnt really possible for cores-these are all hospital based, YOU setup your own family med, selective, elective rotations (5 total 3rd year) and at least in 3rd year you choose a 13, or end up choosing cores from a list that LECOM provides. "Bad" rotations are known, and can kind of be avoided-but no one (except 13ers) get exactly what they want, do not think your rotation schedule will be perfect, it wont be, give and take and prepare yourself for last minute changes, sh#t happens.