Letter of "interest" ?

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Is a letter of interest different from a letter of intent, and if so how? Can you write an interest letter pre-interview inivte? To more than 1 school? How long should it be/what should it say?

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Is a letter of interest different from a letter of intent, and if so how? Can you write an interest letter pre-interview inivte? To more than 1 school? How long should it be/what should it say?

thank you
Quoting the wise gonnif. You know, if you send the school an application, that's your letter of interest right there.

SDNers should not think that somehow there is a shortage of applicants to medical school.

You have 5 types of overlapping letters to that can be sent to a medical admission committee

Updates: new info you want to make the committee aware of. The information should be worthwhile and significant. Some schools encourage these buy many schools discourage or list policies not accepting updates.
Thank you: after interview
Letter of Interest: Typically, a post-interview but pre-decision letter that can reiterate and reinforce the school would be a good fit, usually with information you learned from your interview. This usually does not include a promise to attend if selected.
Letter of Intent: Typically written by applicants who have been accepted by one school but are on WL at another preferred school, outlining the reasons why you prefer it. There is little to scant evidence that these are particularly effective. It should be noted these are thought to have even less impact for those who are just on WL.

I will add one other type that is rarely used any more, the Reconsideration Letter: This is an applicant rejected pre-interview who has a large anomaly in their academic background that can be viewed through mitigating circumstances and asks to be reconsidered. With the non-screened/minimally pre-screened secondaries, there are plenty of opportunities for an applicant to express these circumstances.

To answer your specific question, unless, you have something substantial to say to the committee that was not originally mentioned in your application or a worthy update, an Letter of Interest, particularly before an interview is mostly useless. Indeed, many applicants write them sound more desperate than interested and that will work against you.
 
Quoting the wise gonnif.
Or, as I see it:

Updates: Baby, just hear me out, I'm a new man, really!
Thank you: I had fun going out with you, let's hang out again some time.
Letter of Interest: You're a great girl and we connect on so many different things.
Letter of Intent: That other girl wants me but I'll totally dump her for you.
Reconsideration Letter: You've got the wrong guy, Officer, I swear!
 
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Or, as I see it:

Updates: Baby, just hear me out, I'm a new man, really!
Thank you: I had fun going out with you, let's hang out again some time.
Letter of Interest: You're a great girl and we connect on so many different things.
Letter of Intent: That other girl wants me but I'll totally dump her for you.
Reconsideration Letter: You've got the wrong guy, Officer, I swear!

Naturally, what follows is:

Acceptance Letter: "Will you marry me?" "OK, fine, why not."
Match Day Letter (positive): "Finally, after months of lower back pain and daily nausea, I have born us this child."
Match Day Letter (not so positive): Divorce papers.
 
Or, as I see it:

Updates: Baby, just hear me out, I'm a new man, really!
Thank you: I had fun going out with you, let's hang out again some time.
Letter of Interest: You're a great girl and we connect on so many different things.
Letter of Intent: That other girl wants me but I'll totally dump her for you.
Reconsideration Letter: You've got the wrong guy, Officer, I swear!
I swear, HomeSkool is our funniest SDNer!!
 
Quoting the wise gonnif. You know, if you send the school an application, that's your letter of interest right there.

SDNers should not think that somehow there is a shortage of applicants to medical school.

Wait so for letters of intent it's okay to list the acceptances you have at other schools?
 
Only if you have an accept at a better school than the one you're targeting. But Harvard won't care if you have an accept at Drexel. Drexel won't care if you have an accept at NYMC.

Where would you draw the line at "better"? For example, would it be beneficial to mention a top 20 acceptance to garner an admit at a top 10? Or a top 30 to get a top 20?
 
Wait so for letters of intent it's okay to list the acceptances you have at other schools?
It's actually crass.
We will see where waitlisted students are holding acceptances in Spring. There is no need to list them.
 
If you must send an LOI...

Mention that you have other acceptances, because that's the only way a letter of intent means anything. Don't say where they are, because that's name-dropping, and nobody likes That Guy.

Can I ask why mentioning you have an acceptance but prefer this school when writing a LOI is persuasive? In my opinion it seems a bit obnoxious and comes off as 'hey look I was good enough to be accepted at a school so you should want me too.' It also seems to me like an adcom would see that and think 'good for this person they have an acceptance somewhere let's pick someone else in this giant pile of qualified applicants to accept because maybe they don't have a spot somewhere.' Does saying you've been accepted somewhere but prefer x school and will attend if admitted add more weight to a LOI and make it seem less like a desperate attempt to get any acceptance?
 
Can I ask why mentioning you have an acceptance but prefer this school when writing a LOI is persuasive? In my opinion it seems a bit obnoxious and comes off as 'hey look I was good enough to be accepted at a school so you should want me too.' It also seems to me like an adcom would see that and think 'good for this person they have an acceptance somewhere let's pick someone else in this giant pile of qualified applicants to accept because maybe they don't have a spot somewhere.' Does saying you've been accepted somewhere but prefer x school and will attend if admitted add more weight to a LOI and make it seem less like a desperate attempt to get any acceptance?
I agree and the delusion in bold is a common one among pre-meds.
 
That's the difference between a letter of interest and a letter of intent. Both are sent after an interview and before an acceptance.

In a letter of interest, you're providing reasons you think you and the school are good fits for one another, and restating your interest in attending the school if admitted. As @Goro has explained, though, these are pretty useless: the fact that you submitted an app and attended an interview already indicates your interest, so reaffirming it in a letter doesn't tell them anything they didn't already know. Moreover, a letter of interest makes no mention of any other acceptances so it really doesn't have much weight -- the school has something you want and they have tons of great candidates, and if you're not admitted anywhere else they can string you along all they want. To be frank, if you're writing a letter of interest, it means the school has all the power in the relationship and you have none.

With a letter of intent, on the other hand, you're basically writing a letter of interest and adding, "If you accept me, I promise I'll attend." If you don't have any other acceptances to dangle in front of the school, however, they still retain all the power. But if you mention that you have other acceptances, you take back a little of the power: you're saying, "Oh, BTW, I've been accepted elsewhere so I'm not desperate. Love me now or lose me forever." That mention of other acceptances is the only way a letter of intent has any power.

Look back through the post history and read gonnif's words that Goro quoted. According to gonnif, there's not much evidence that letters of intent work, but if they do it's because the candidate had other acceptances and therefore the ability to walk away from the school.

To answer your questions:
Can I ask why mentioning you have an acceptance but prefer this school when writing a LOI is persuasive?
As gonnif said, unless you hold the trump card of another acceptance, it's really not persuasive.

In my opinion it seems a bit obnoxious and comes off as 'hey look I was good enough to be accepted at a school so you should want me too.'
Totally.

It also seems to me like an adcom would see that and think 'good for this person they have an acceptance somewhere let's pick someone else in this giant pile of qualified applicants to accept because maybe they don't have a spot somewhere.'
No, they won't do that. Schools don't do pity acceptances, which is essentially what that would be. They're not running a charity to make people's dreams come true. They're trying to pick out the best candidates from a phenomenal pool, and they're competing against one another for the best ones. By mentioning other acceptances, the candidate makes the school pull out its waitlist and say, "OK, we have to decide whether to take this applicant or pass, because they're no longer completely at our mercy." It's an attempt to force the school's hand: if it wants the candidate, it has to act because otherwise the candidate will walk.

Does saying you've been accepted somewhere but prefer x school and will attend if admitted add more weight to a LOI and make it seem less like a desperate attempt to get any acceptance?
That's exactly what people are trying to do by sending these letters. The problem is, schools have so many great applicants that they can generally say, "OK, cool, see ya," and they've in fact lost nothing. That's why gonnif says LOIs aren't particularly effective.
 
To follow up my learned colleague's comments, I see only two situations where a letter of intent may have some heft:
1) You're a superstar of Harvard/Stanford caliber. Other schools of this class might very well try to poach you.
2) See #1, but you're appealing with your state schools. They have an interest in grabbing students from their home turf, as they're more likely to actually stay at home and practice medicine there.

But as I have mentioned before, Drexel won't care if you have an accept at NYMC and NYU won't care if you have an accept at Tulane.

That's the difference between a letter of interest and a letter of intent. Both are sent after an interview and before an acceptance.

In a letter of interest, you're providing reasons you think you and the school are good fits for one another, and restating your interest in attending the school if admitted. As @Goro has explained, though, these are pretty useless: the fact that you submitted an app and attended an interview already indicates your interest, so reaffirming it in a letter doesn't tell them anything they didn't already know. Moreover, a letter of interest makes no mention of any other acceptances so it really doesn't have much weight -- the school has something you want and they have tons of great candidates, and if you're not admitted anywhere else they can string you along all they want. To be frank, if you're writing a letter of interest, it means the school has all the power in the relationship and you have none.

With a letter of intent, on the other hand, you're basically writing a letter of interest and adding, "If you accept me, I promise I'll attend." If you don't have any other acceptances to dangle in front of the school, however, they still retain all the power. But if you mention that you have other acceptances, you take back a little of the power: you're saying, "Oh, BTW, I've been accepted elsewhere so I'm not desperate. Love me now or lose me forever." That mention of other acceptances is the only way a letter of intent has any power.

Look back through the post history and read gonnif's words that Goro quoted. According to gonnif, there's not much evidence that letters of intent work, but if they do it's because the candidate had other acceptances and therefore the ability to walk away from the school.

To answer your questions:

As gonnif said, unless you hold the trump card of another acceptance, it's really not persuasive.


Totally.


No, they won't do that. Schools don't do pity acceptances, which is essentially what that would be. They're not running a charity to make people's dreams come true. They're trying to pick out the best candidates from a phenomenal pool, and they're competing against one another for the best ones. By mentioning other acceptances, the candidate makes the school pull out its waitlist and say, "OK, we have to decide whether to take this applicant or pass, because they're no longer completely at our mercy." It's an attempt to force the school's hand: if it wants the candidate, it has to act because otherwise the candidate will walk.


That's exactly what people are trying to do by sending these letters. The problem is, schools have so many great applicants that they can generally say, "OK, cool, see ya," and they've in fact lost nothing. That's why gonnif says LOIs aren't particularly effective.
 
No, they won't do that. Schools don't do pity acceptances, which is essentially what that would be. They're not running a charity to make people's dreams come true. They're trying to pick out the best candidates from a phenomenal pool, and they're competing against one another for the best ones. By mentioning other acceptances, the candidate makes the school pull out its waitlist and say, "OK, we have to decide whether to take this applicant or pass, because they're no longer completely at our mercy." It's an attempt to force the school's hand: if it wants the candidate, it has to act because otherwise the candidate will walk.

I don't want to put words in his/her mouth, but I think what @soyouwannabeadoctor might be referring to is not a pity acceptance, but rather a yield-protecting acceptance. In other words, if a school is deciding between two candidates, one of whom has an acceptance at an equal "tier" school and the other has no acceptances (or only acceptances at lower "tier" schools), might the school be more inclined to choose the latter candidate in order to guarantee an almost 100% chance that the candidate will take the acceptance? This is assuming, of course, that the former candidate did not send a letter of interest/intent. It's also assuming that schools wait until information about who has been accepted where is released to make these decisions.

I am wondering because I am on a waitlist, waiting to hear back from an interview and have several scheduled, so if this policy is a thing, it could end up helping or hurting me, depending on my post-interview results.
 
I don't want to put words in his/her mouth, but I think what @soyouwannabeadoctor might be referring to is not a pity acceptance, but rather a yield-protecting acceptance. In other words, if a school is deciding between two candidates, one of whom has an acceptance at an equal "tier" school and the other has no acceptances (or only acceptances at lower "tier" schools), might the school be more inclined to choose the latter candidate in order to guarantee an almost 100% chance that the candidate will take the acceptance? This is assuming, of course, that the former candidate did not send a letter of interest/intent. It's also assuming that schools wait until information about who has been accepted where is released to make these decisions.

I am wondering because I am waiting to hear back from an interview and have several scheduled, so if this policy is a thing, it could end up helping or hurting me, depending on my post-interview results.
I see what you're saying. We'll have to have one of the adcoms on here answer that question. I'm inclined to believe, though, that an LOI has a small chance of helping and an even smaller chance of harming. But maybe @Goro, @gonnif, @gyngyn, @LizzyM, @Catalystik, or @Med Ed can answer the question. (Apologies if I've forgotten any of our adcoms here. In my defense, it's 2 am. I'm going to bed. Cya tomorrow, SDN.)
 
I think it may depend on the school. At one place I interviewed, they spent awhile telling us how much they consider both types of LOI (almost made it sound like if you didn’t send one it would hurt your chances but that’s probably an overstatement brought on by interview nerves). The other school I interviewed at so far hasn’t said anything. Interview at my IS tomorrow so we’ll see if they mention it.
 
I do recall a LOI garnering an application. It was >20 years ago. It was early August. The applicant had no offers but was waitlisted. Something opened up and that applicant, known to be ready and waiting, got the call.

That I can't think of another instance of things working out this way is your first clue that this is a long shot, like making a 62 yard field goal.
 
I do recall a LOI garnering an application. It was >20 years ago. It was early August. The applicant had no offers but was waitlisted. Something opened up and that applicant, known to be ready and waiting, got the call.

That I can't think of another instance of things working out this way is your first clue that this is a long shot, like making a 62 yard field goal.

If it was 20+ years ago, was the LOI in an E-mail, or an actual hand-written letter?
 
If it was 20+ years ago, was the LOI in an E-mail, or an actual hand-written letter?
Hand-written. I suspect it was hand-delivered too as the applicant mentioned being just a couple blocks from the med school while writing it. That was back in the day when secondaries were paper forms that were mailed to the applicant and mailed back.
 
Hand-written. I suspect it was hand-delivered too as the applicant mentioned being just a couple blocks from the med school while writing it. That was back in the day when secondaries were paper forms that were mailed to the applicant and mailed back.

Did you ever receive letters asking if the ADCOMs received the first letter application?
 
Did you ever receive letters asking if the ADCOMs received the first letter application?
Back in the day, applicants spent a lot of money on FedEx and return receipt mail to get assurance that the envelope had been delivered. Don't even get me started on how bad things were in 2001 when air travel was suspended for a week after 9/11 and then the anthrax situation affected the postal service. First nothing moved by air, including mail. Then the mail was slow and suspect. (I was asked for a photo ID to buy a postage stamp!) It was also the first year that the AMCAS was online and that was a mess, too, causing some schools to tell applicants, "just print the thing on your end and mail it to us".
 
I see what you're saying. We'll have to have one of the adcoms on here answer that question. I'm inclined to believe, though, that an LOI has a small chance of helping and an even smaller chance of harming. But maybe @Goro, @gonnif, @gyngyn, @LizzyM, @Catalystik, or @Med Ed can answer the question. (Apologies if I've forgotten any of our adcoms here. In my defense, it's 2 am. I'm going to bed. Cya tomorrow, SDN.)

There are a lot of variables at play. If I'm sitting at an expensive, private, low-tier school the calculus is going to be different than if I'm at a cheap state school. It's going to be different if the applicant is a first generation EO1 veteran versus someone more generic. It's going to be different if the applicant can document a significant connection to the school/area versus simply writing a love letter. There are also the idiosyncrasies of each cycle, from the first-day-at-camp feeling at the initial adcom meeting down to the godawful grind through the wait list.

I will say we get barrels of "extracurricular" correspondence, and very little of it is every brought forward at committee because it has almost no value in making determinations. The big exception (as I have written before) is the rare "my spouse was offered a job in your area" letter. That can carry some weight for an otherwise strong applicant.
 
I see what you're saying. We'll have to have one of the adcoms on here answer that question. I'm inclined to believe, though, that an LOI has a small chance of helping and an even smaller chance of harming. But maybe @Goro, @gonnif, @gyngyn, @LizzyM, @Catalystik, or @Med Ed can answer the question. (Apologies if I've forgotten any of our adcoms here. In my defense, it's 2 am. I'm going to bed. Cya tomorrow, SDN.)
Every now and then the wily old Admissions Dean will say "this kid really wants to come here. He keeps sending emails". We mull that over for maybe a millisecond and then move on, especially if the candidate was poorly ranked by the interviewers.
 
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LizzyM: (pulls up SDN app on phone) Dude, I'm kind of a big deal.

LOL -- my daughter's nerdy former boyfriend was very impressed when he learned that speculation regarding my identify was a thread on reddit.
 
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