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So a few days ago I was talking to one of my fellow premed peer whom I have had no contact since freshman year. She has already been accepted to 3 schools this cycle. From what I know, she has always been a “partying kid”, never a studious one. She admit she only has 3.4 GPA but a good MCAT score. From our conversation, she gave me the advise to lie on app my application 😵 .


Then she showed me her primary application. She obviously doesn’t have a good GPA so she made up activities as working for cashier and serving in a restaurant as waitress. She even went so far to have the disadvanged box checked and reported low income! Then I read that she founded a student organization that dedicated to help the local community, which is a LIE, and even listing it as one of her most meaningful activity. As I warned her not to do it, she showed a fake LOR and a fake website she made 😵

“All it matters is the result, who cares the process. Just cover your ass and you’ll be just fine”.


I left in shock. I have never met a so deceptive person in my life. Knowing that she has been accepted is really cringing. I am sorry if this comes out as ranting... but what would you do?
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Wow that's pretty ****ty. If she continues that level of deception throughout medical school and beyond ... well I just don't see that working out too well in the end.

Nothing you can do about it though. Just focus on yourself, stay honest, work hard.
 
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I hope medical schools check to see if anyone they accept is telling the truth in their application. Do medical schools verify content on the application of their current students?
 
BucketDoctor said:
I hope medical schools check to see if anyone they accept is telling the truth in their application. Do medical schools verify content on the application of their current students?
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I doubt the admission committee will have the time to do so since another round of application will come through in July after they finalize everything in June. I hope there is a separate committee for verifying these info. Because after there only ~100 students’ applications info that need to be varified. But I have never heard anyone got expelled from medical school due to this reason. 🙁
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Could probably report her.
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I guess I was thinking it wouldn't hold much weight coming from another fellow applicant without solid proof. It's another thing if someone in the school administration reported it to AMCAS/AAMC. But I guess I'm not sure. I'm just surprised at the extent of the lying and that she didn't get tripped up on the interview trail.
 
Oso said:
I guess I was thinking it wouldn't hold much weight coming from another fellow applicant without solid proof. It's another thing if someone in the school administration reported it to AMCAS/AAMC. But I guess I'm not sure. I'm just surprised at the extent of the lying and that she didn't get tripped up on the interview trail.
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I’m betting if AAMC looked into it, her fake lor and organization wouldn’t hold up very long.
 
Oso said:
I guess I was thinking it wouldn't hold much weight coming from another fellow applicant without solid proof. It's another thing if someone in the school administration reported it to AMCAS/AAMC. But I guess I'm not sure. I'm just surprised at the extent of the lying and that she didn't get tripped up on the interview trail.
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Assuming they go to the same school, the right person at their undergrad institution might be sufficiently concerned to make a call.
 
I know an applicant who never shows up to volunteer shifts and thus has falsified probably 150-300 hrs and others who have made things look more important/involved than they were but a fake LOR is wild.
 
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A fake LOR? Wow, that's going the extra mile. @Laix , I'm sorry this is happening to you. This happened to me too. Take it from someone who has let this "lying" eat away at my life. You HAVE to disregard it. What they want to do (lie, cheat, steal) is their problem UNLESS it affects patients. You need to focus on getting yourself into med school and doing the best you can for your patients. It sucks that they lied, but don't let that be an excuse or reason to keep you from being a better doctor, and more importantly, a better person. I let this monkey on my shoulder eat away at me for years. It hindered my performance and I constantly blamed other people for my failures. Don't make the same mistake I did. Let it go. Don't waste your time and effort into thinking about this and focus on making yourself the best applicant. You can do it! We fellow SDNers believe in you!
 
strider144 said:
Assuming they go to the same school, the right person at their undergrad institution might be sufficiently concerned to make a call.
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I could talk to my premed advisor about it. Though I don't know how many people she has discussed this with.
 
Not to make this a mind game, but have you considered shes lying about her lies?

If you believe her (or have evidence), would 100% report. Its not fudging hours, this is pathological and probably wont get better on its own.
 
Deep down inside she knows that she has committed a wrong. She will feel guilty about it.
 
Honestly, ur "friend" is a POS. But at the same time, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". The AAMC is making it really easy to lie and the whole disadvantaged thing should be verified somehow
 
bluemamba7 said:
I really appreciate all the positive comments you post hahaha
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Being pre-med is tough.. I try to lighten things up a bit and send positive vibes in hopes people will be nicer to each other.. Its cutthroat out here.. haha.
 
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PhilzCoffeeAddict said:
Being pre-med is tough.. I try to lighten things up a bit and send positive vibes in hopes people will be nicer to each other.. Its cutthroat out here.. haha.
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Tell me about it, you work your butt off in grades, mcat, and ec only to find out that everything you did is seen as normal and not above/beyond among premeds
 
Laix said:
I could talk to my premed advisor about it. Though I don't know how many people she has discussed this with.
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So this person trusted you and tried giving you advice, and you want to destroy her? Yes doing the things she did is very shady, but reporting her is just as distasteful to me. You can tell her it was a stupid risk, that you don't agree with it, etc. but what are you going to get out of turning her in? You're not protecting anyone, you're just hurting a friend who did something don't approve of. If this was an MMI station, you'd fail it by immediately betraying your friend's trust and reporting her. I can also promise you this won't be the last time something happens you that consider unfair.
 
This situation should be an MMI question tbh! Hahahaha. Do you mind your own business, or report her and have her spot given to someone who actually deserves it? I would tip the AAMC to look into it. Then let them do their job.
 
NotASerialKiller said:
So this person trusted you and tried giving you advice, and you want to destroy her? Yes doing the things she did is very shady, but reporting her is just as distasteful to me. You can tell her it was a stupid risk, that you don't agree with it, etc. but what are you going to get out of turning her in? You're not protecting anyone, you're just hurting a friend who did something don't approve of. If this was an MMI station, you'd fail it by immediately betraying your friend's trust and reporting her. I can also promise you this won't be the last time something happens you that consider unfair.
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Wow, chill. notice I used the word "could"? I am not applying the same cycle as her. She has gotten her sweet acceptances. Good for her. What I cringe about it that she can get by with it, and the system that allows it. Why would I really go chase after her? I don't even know if she's lying about her lies in the first place. I am not stupid enough to take everything I hear to be the absolute truth.
 
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Undoubtedly? You're talking about suspicion of something possibly happening years from now. There's a ****load of doubt there my friend. You're not god, you don't know what will happen, Goro's hunch doesn't mean that a patient is in imminent danger.

MMIs are all about being reasonable, not being a self-righteous and hard headed zealot. Seeing a friend cheat on a test is a classic situation, and your response has to be built around having an honest discussion with your friend and trying to get them to see why it was wrong. If I got this station, I'd say that I would explain to them why I thought they shouldn't do it. It could hurt other applicants, they're selling themselves short by doing it, and jeopardizing their future. You give the other person an opportunity to see reason and say that they understand that they shouldn't have done it and won't ever do it again.

If you're ever given an MMI station with a friend doing something obviously wrong and you say "WOAH THAT'S SO WRONG I WILL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW, FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!" you're going to bomb it.

Laix said:
Wow, chill. notice I used the word "could"? I am not applying the same cycle as her. She has gotten her sweet acceptances. Good for her. What I cringe about it that she can get by with it, and the system that allows it. Why would I really go chase after her? I don't even know if she's lying about her lies in the first place. I am not stupid enough to take everything I hear to be the absolute truth.
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You created a thread about your friend lying on her application and said that you were considering reporting her, try not to break an ankle backpedaling there pumpkin.
 
my input is that she's dumb for not keeping this to herself. as they say, "don't be bad at being bad"

she better make one hell of a doctor..
 
NotASerialKiller said:
Undoubtedly? You're talking about suspicion of something possibly happening years from now. There's a ****load of doubt there my friend. You're not god, you don't know what will happen, Goro's hunch doesn't mean that a patient is in imminent danger.

MMIs are all about being reasonable, not being a self-righteous and hard headed zealot. Seeing a friend cheat on a test is a classic situation, and your response has to be built around having an honest discussion with your friend and trying to get them to see why it was wrong. If I got this station, I'd say that I would explain to them why I thought they shouldn't do it. It could hurt other applicants, they're selling themselves short by doing it, and jeopardizing their future. You give the other person an opportunity to see reason and say that they understand that they shouldn't have done it and won't ever do it again.

If you're ever given an MMI station with a friend doing something obviously wrong and you say "WOAH THAT'S SO WRONG I WILL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW, FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!" you're going to bomb it.



You created a thread about your friend lying on her application and said that you were considering reporting her, try not to break an ankle backpedaling there pumpkin.
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It's kinda funny you mentioned it. The thread I made is for discussion purpose, never I have given my altitude on the subject besides reporting my feeling. Talking to a pre-med advisor is still an option that has nothing to do with reporting. Notice how I said premed advisor? not Dean of the university? I will never act the way you just described "WOAH THAT'S SO WRONG I WILL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW, FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!" I am not exactly sure how you perceived my reaction but I don't think you actually understood how I felt.
 
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If you're ever given an MMI station with a friend doing something obviously wrong and you say "WOAH THAT'S SO WRONG I WILL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW, FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!" you're going to bomb it
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Just because someone decides to report does not mean they didnt carefully consider the situation.

Theres no need to call OP a pumpkin, and shes not celebrating the chance to turn someone in, but asking for input.
 
NotASerialKiller said:
Undoubtedly? You're talking about suspicion of something possibly happening years from now. There's a ****load of doubt there my friend. You're not god, you don't know what will happen, Goro's hunch doesn't mean that a patient is in imminent danger.

MMIs are all about being reasonable, not being a self-righteous and hard headed zealot. Seeing a friend cheat on a test is a classic situation, and your response has to be built around having an honest discussion with your friend and trying to get them to see why it was wrong. If I got this station, I'd say that I would explain to them why I thought they shouldn't do it. It could hurt other applicants, they're selling themselves short by doing it, and jeopardizing their future. You give the other person an opportunity to see reason and say that they understand that they shouldn't have done it and won't ever do it again.

If you're ever given an MMI station with a friend doing something obviously wrong and you say "WOAH THAT'S SO WRONG I WILL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW, FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!" you're going to bomb it.



You created a thread about your friend lying on her application and said that you were considering reporting her, try not to break an ankle backpedaling there pumpkin.
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It wasn’t an MMI station, but I was literally asked by my interviewer what I would do if I was a part of a practice where a fellow physician was providing a treatment that I knew would be ineffective for the patient even though the colleague knew as well. I replied that I would work with my office manager or hospital system administration (if the practice was a part of a larger network) to quell such wasteful and/or dangerous behavior. The interviewer audibly replied “good answer,” and I was accepted to that school a few weeks later. Take that n of 1 as you will, but maintaining your own integrity as well as your own organization’s integrity for the greater good is more important than being remotely considered a “tattle tale” by whatever petty person you MAY interview with.
 
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It's just too delicious for me to resist pointing out the number of times you called me an idiot after you used the word "undoubtably" in this thread. That is all 🙂

edit: Also mods, please note the lack of personal attacks in my posts, I'm only mildly responsible for how feisty this got
 
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NotASerialKiller said:
edit: Also mods, please note the lack of personal attacks in my posts, I'm only mildly responsible for how feisty this got
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Oh the irony of someone who chastises OP and opinions about reporting the lying to a higher authority turns around and reports a post they didn't like to moderators....
 
ciestar said:
I’m petty and I’d probably report that to someone...anyone.

Just as a thought...she reported low income, does this lie get blown out of the water when she files her FAFSA?
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it shouldn't. AMCAS income reported is related to how much your parents made over a certain time period and FAFSA is just the previous year. Mine are drastically different
 
harkas said:
it shouldn't. AMCAS income reported is related to how much your parents made over a certain time period and FAFSA is just the previous year. Mine are drastically different
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You’re right, good point. Mine never changes so I didn’t really think that through.
 
gonnif said:
Adcoms primarily work on what the application says in front of them. They usually do not check/verify EC, letters, etc prior to admitting a student

That is usually left to the post-admission / pre-matriculation phase after you have taken up an offer of acceptance. It makes much more sense to have a deep “due diligence” on the hundred or so students who are scheduled to matriculate rather than spot checking thousands of applicants. And every offer of acceptance comes with a clause to rescind your acceptance with cause, and that follows you throughout medical school

Typically when you have taken an acceptance, you will have to send official transcripts to schools where prereqs are checked for fulfillment, etc. Additionally adcom office staff would verify letters, EC, etc. Now if you pass all that, you are home free right?

Well schools are doing more and more self-audits to makes sure their processes are working and quality is good for when re-accrediting occurs. So again, things may be checked. And if a school finds out that portions of your application was fraudulent, they will rescind your acceptance, even if you are near the end of their 4th year, and throw you out for ethical violation. This action has been held up by federal court on more than 1 occasion

So this is a risky and dangerous act to lie on application.
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This is what I am looking for. I will reach out to her to explain and warn her about this! Thank you!
 
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Ouch even Goro-the guy you quoted like 10 times- liked @NotASerialKiller 's response to this post.
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@OP,

I'm going to have to agree with @NotASerialKiller points on this one. The dilemma you posed is subject to an ethical debate. True virtue will be shown if you can both protect your friend but also not let them get away with their wrongdoings.

The best way to do this would be to advise them against what they did, NOT to matriculate, and... I don't know what else tbh. After she's caught in her lie it'll be difficult for her to apply again with a real application without the lies in the first one being seen. She's best off finding a different career path.
 
Laix said:
So a few days ago I was talking to one of my fellow premed peer whom I have had no contact since freshman year. She has already been accepted to 3 schools this cycle. From what I know, she has always been a “partying kid”, never a studious one. She admit she only has 3.4 GPA but a good MCAT score. From our conversation, she gave me the advise to lie on app my application 😵 .


Then she showed me her primary application. She obviously doesn’t have a good GPA so she made up activities as working for cashier and serving in a restaurant as waitress. She even went so far to have the disadvanged box checked and reported low income! Then I read that she founded a student organization that dedicated to help the local community, which is a LIE, and even listing it as one of her most meaningful activity. As I warned her not to do it, she showed a fake LOR and a fake website she made 😵

“All it matters is the result, who cares the process. Just cover your ass and you’ll be just fine”.


I left in shock. I have never met a so deceptive person in my life. Knowing that she has been accepted is really cringing. I am sorry if this comes out as ranting... but what would you do?
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This SUCKS! Wow. This question is probably going answer this question:
I am a soon to be sophomore and I have already started a personal portfolio with all school requirements and such to enhance my profile for med school.... is it until you actually APPLY for med school you mention EVERYTHING you have done? Do they not care for evidence? Such as: Volunteer hours, clubs, tutoring, summer research programs, science research projects/paper... etc?? Thank you.
 
No one is obligated to list everything on their application. What you list as your 15 experiences can be different one application cycle to the next. Self-identifying as "disadvantaged" is optional and one could do it one year and skip it in a later cycle.

It might be wise to advise a friend who lied to withdraw all the applications this year and reapply in a subsequent cycle citing the desire to do other things and be sure medicine was the right path.
 
LizzyM said:
No one is obligated to list everything on their application. What you list as your 15 experiences can be different one application cycle to the next. Self-identifying as "disadvantaged" is optional and one could do it one year and skip it in a later cycle.

It might be wise to advise a friend who lied to withdraw all the applications this year and reapply in a subsequent cycle citing the desire to do other things and be sure medicine was the right path.
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I will definitely tell her that. Thank you!
 
Laix said:
So a few days ago I was talking to one of my fellow premed peer whom I have had no contact since freshman year. She has already been accepted to 3 schools this cycle. From what I know, she has always been a “partying kid”, never a studious one. She admit she only has 3.4 GPA but a good MCAT score. From our conversation, she gave me the advise to lie on app my application 😵 .


Then she showed me her primary application. She obviously doesn’t have a good GPA so she made up activities as working for cashier and serving in a restaurant as waitress. She even went so far to have the disadvanged box checked and reported low income! Then I read that she founded a student organization that dedicated to help the local community, which is a LIE, and even listing it as one of her most meaningful activity. As I warned her not to do it, she showed a fake LOR and a fake website she made 😵

“All it matters is the result, who cares the process. Just cover your ass and you’ll be just fine”.


I left in shock. I have never met a so deceptive person in my life. Knowing that she has been accepted is really cringing. I am sorry if this comes out as ranting... but what would you do?
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It will catch up with her, don't worry
 
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Can confirm. Albeit slightly different, I said I would report mistak on my end to my patients regardless of legal consult. (not this broad, not this bad, but general idea - I don’t remember my exact reply)

Got accepted.
 
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