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[Goro]

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And who says DOs can't get into Academic Medicine???

Profile Jennifer Zepf - Seton Hall University

 

[Scrubs101]

Along the same topic the other day i saw the Program Director of Pain medicine at UWashington was a DO and thought it was pretty cool.

UW Anesthesiology & Pain Medicine: Fellowship in Pain Medicine

 

[poloboy]

...and this guy (also shoutout to PCOM!)
Chad Gordon, D.O.

 

[Rekt]

These threads are pointless

 

[NuttyEngDude]

And who says DOs can't get into Academic Medicine???

Profile Jennifer Zepf - Seton Hall University

Wow she's a really hot...


...passion for Molecular and Cellular Principles as well as incorporating laboratory medicine content in an active learning environment and the potential this holds for improving patient care.

 

[DrMcCoyDO]

These threads are pointless

They’re good for encouragement and hope. Now go up to the chalkboard and write “I will not be a spoilsport” 100 times.

 

[Brawndo2016]

These threads are pointless

These responses are immature.

 

[Peach Newport]

She was my Gen Path teacher last year (she was at Touro NY first).

She’s an excellent, first-rate teacher and a great person to speak to. I’m not surprised Seton Hall wanted her.

 

[Rekt]

These responses are immature.

Should we start posting all the MDs who hold academic positions? I guess if these little quips make you feel better about yourself

 

[Goro]

Should we start posting all the MDs who hold academic positions? I guess if these little quips make you feel better about yourself

Only when people harp about how "MDs can't go into academic medicine."

 

[poloboy]

Should we start posting all the MDs who hold academic positions? I guess if these little quips make you feel better about yourself

I'm more worry about whether or not MDs would survive the 2020 merger #getyourprioritiesstraight

 

[Lawpy]

Only when people harp about how "MDs can't go into academic medicine."

Idk but I always thought DOs can and do get into academic medicine (and quite regularly too). If anything, I’m actually really surprised that there’s actually a belief that DOs can’t go into academic medicine. That’s one myth I didn’t encounter before.

 

[Brawndo2016]

Should we start posting all the MDs who hold academic positions? I guess if these little quips make you feel better about yourself

No, I'm able to maintain my self esteem without throwing out a negative and pointless opinion where I could have just moved on. I do, however, enjoy pointing out when others leave a slime trail on the low road.

 

[W19]

Wow she's a really hot...


...passion for Molecular and Cellular Principles as well as incorporating laboratory medicine content in an active learning environment and the potential this holds for improving patient care.

What! Is she? Maybe being around Latinas has given me a new definition of 'hot'...

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Idk but I always thought DOs can and do get into academic medicine (and quite regularly too). If anything, I’m actually really surprised that there’s actually a belief that DOs can’t go into academic medicine. That’s one myth I didn’t encounter before.

Eh it depends on what you mean by "academic medicine" whether or not its true. Academics is a very broad term and can mean a bunch of different things to different people.

 

[Lawpy]

Eh it depends on what you mean by "academic medicine" whether or not its true. Academics is a very broad term and can mean a bunch of different things to different people.

I don’t know what’s implied in this thread since it looks like people are just posting links of DO faculty in medical schools, which isn’t really surprising.

Even HMS has DO faculty: Leadership Team | Ross Zafonte | Spaulding Rehabilitation Network

 

[Ho0v-man]

Of course DOs can go into academic medicine. But its mostly MDs. DOs are much less focused (on average) in research in general, go to more community based residencies, oh and theres WAY more MDs in every field of academic medicine because theres just way more MDs period.

When you consider the above, especially the last point, its no surprise DOs are a minority in academic medicine compared to our MD counterparts.

 

[TattedMed]

No, I'm able to maintain my self esteem without throwing out a negative and pointless opinion where I could have just moved on. I do, however, enjoy pointing out when others leave a slime trail on the low road.

Rekt.

 

[Detective SnowBucket]

more like "Local girl DOes good"



hehehe

 

[ortnakas]

Of course DOs can go into academic medicine. But its mostly MDs. DOs are much less focused (on average) in research in general, go to more community based residencies, oh and theres WAY more MDs in every field of academic medicine because theres just way more MDs period.

When you consider the above, especially the last point, its no surprise DOs are a minority in academic medicine compared to our MD counterparts.

100% agreed.

DOs are in the minority of physicians and tend to have careers focused more on community medicine than academics and research. I think it’s unfair when we act shocked when a DO does end up in academic medicine— there’s no reason it shouldn’t be possible— but it’s equally unfair to act like it isn’t an achievement at all when DOs as faculty in allopathic institutions aren’t exactly commonplace. We don’t have to laud it like she cured cancer or hung the moon, but props for an impressive career trajectory are well deserved.

 

[Lawpy]

Of course DOs can go into academic medicine. But its mostly MDs. DOs are much less focused (on average) in research in general, go to more community based residencies, oh and theres WAY more MDs in every field of academic medicine because theres just way more MDs period.

When you consider the above, especially the last point, its no surprise DOs are a minority in academic medicine compared to our MD counterparts.

100% agreed.

DOs are in the minority of physicians and tend to have careers focused more on community medicine than academics and research. I think it’s unfair when we act shocked when a DO does end up in academic medicine— there’s no reason it shouldn’t be possible— but it’s equally unfair to act like it isn’t an achievement at all when DOs as faculty in allopathic institutions aren’t exactly commonplace. We don’t have to laud it like she cured cancer or hung the moon, but props for an impressive career trajectory are well deserved.

This is a different argument from the thread’s purpose

And who says DOs can't get into Academic Medicine???

Profile Jennifer Zepf - Seton Hall University

Should we start posting all the MDs who hold academic positions? I guess if these little quips make you feel better about yourself

Only when people harp about how "MDs can't go into academic medicine."

The answer is clear: DOs can get into academic medicine. Posting random faculty links showing DOs in academic medicine is fine and all but they don’t tell us anything new. Yes it’s difficult for DOs to get top academic jobs and it’s rare for them to do so. But difficulty does not mean impossibility as this thread is arguing.

It’s fine to praise the career trajectory of DOs who end up in academic medicine. But the original premise of this thread is basically to argue against a strawman, which is why people think it’s pointless.

 

[Goro]

Of course DOs can go into academic medicine. But its mostly MDs. DOs are much less focused (on average) in research in general, go to more community based residencies, oh and theres WAY more MDs in every field of academic medicine because theres just way more MDs period.

When you consider the above, especially the last point, its no surprise DOs are a minority in academic medicine compared to our MD counterparts.

Somebody gets the point I was trying to make!
Ditto Ornatkas.
And others

 

[ortnakas]

Somebody gets the point I was trying to make!
Ditto Ornatkas.
And others

SDN and the internet being what they are, I'd recommend picking a less inflammatory tagline next time-- it wouldn't be a message board if we didn't all overreact! But yes, see your point.

 

[Goro]

SDN and the internet being what they are, I'd recommend picking a less inflammatory tagline next time-- it wouldn't be a message board if we didn't all overreact! But yes, see your point.

Some SDNers get lost in pedanticism, alas. Not you!!!

 

[Lawpy]

Somebody gets the point I was trying to make!
Ditto Ornatkas.
And others

Some SDNers get lost in pedanticism, alas. Not you!!!

It’s not really pedantic when we’re just restating your arguments like these.

And who says DOs can't get into Academic Medicine???

Profile Jennifer Zepf - Seton Hall University

Only when people harp about how "MDs can't go into academic medicine."

Throwing in examples of DOs in academic medicine doesn’t say much about the difficulty for DOs to pursue academic medicine. The Harvard PM&R example I listed further disproves the myth that DOs can’t go into academic medicine.

The point is this: DOs can get into academic medicine, so saying things like “who says DOs can’t get into academic medicine?” makes no sense. Instead, the focus should be on difficulty of DOs going into academic medicine and discussing ways to ease this difficulty and help DO grads get academic jobs.

 

[sab3156]

There are some very famous DOs in the world of academic medicine. Even at places like MGH (Such as Dr. Michael Jaff, a world renowned cardiology researcher who is now the president of a Harvard-affiliated hospital). But these are the exceptions to the rule.

 

[Goro]

There are some very famous DOs in the world of academic medicine. Even at places like MGH (Such as Dr. Michael Jaff, a world renowned cardiology researcher who is now the president of a Harvard-affiliated hospital). But these are the exceptions to the rule.

Indeed, and I think it's worth tooting the horn for the profession every now and then. I also believe it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

 

[deleted407021]

Indeed, and I think it's worth tooting the horn for the profession every now and then. I also believe it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

Negative. There can be no positivity. Each thread must be over-analyzed to the point that it’s no longer fun or uplifting. After all, premeds might stumble in and be duped into thinking there’s anything to look forward to and it is our (gracious and righteous are we) responsibility to make sure they’re ***informed***.

 

[Osminog]

"In 2017 Dr. Zepf was recognized by the American Medical Association as an Inspirational Physician in the Women Physicians Section (WPS)"

Why does the AMA have a "Women Physicians Section" for inspirational physicians? Is being an inspirational physician like a strength-based sport that requires two separate leagues for men and women?

 

[deleted407021]

"In 2017 Dr. Zepf was recognized by the American Medical Association as an Inspirational Physician in the Women Physicians Section (WPS)"

Why does the AMA have a "Women Physicians Section" for inspirational physicians? Is being an inspirational physician like a strength-based sport that requires two separate leagues for men and women?

What are you actually asking?

 

[Neopolymath]

What are you actually asking?

I'm pretty sure you know what he is saying.

 

[deleted407021]

I'm pretty sure you know what he is saying.

There are several possible interpretations based on the wording and I’d like clarification.

 

[Steve_Zissou]

There are several possible interpretations based on the wording and I’d like clarification.

@Osminog is saying "Why do women get a special women category? Are they biologically disadvantaged when it comes to medicine in the same way they are in sports?"

Making an issue out of a non-issue imo. Also, for as much as he talks about the biological aspect of things like intelligence, you think he'd recognize that women in medicine have challenges different than men due to their biology (getting pregnant and all) and having a "women physicians section" is an attempt to recognize these differences in the challenges they face while doing no harm to anyone. There's also the whole thing where people tend to look up to others who are like themselves in whatever categories they use to define their person, be it male, female, trans, Hispanic, black, white, etc.

 

[poloboy]

Local boy goes big...
Navy veteran DO is serving as President Donald Trump's physician - The DO

 

[Osminog]

@Osminog is saying "Why do women get a special women category? Are they biologically disadvantaged when it comes to medicine in the same way they are in sports?"

Making an issue out of a non-issue imo. Also, for as much as he talks about the biological aspect of things like intelligence, you think he'd recognize that women in medicine have challenges different than men due to their biology (getting pregnant and all) and having a "women physicians section" is an attempt to recognize these differences in the challenges they face while doing no harm to anyone. There's also the whole thing where people tend to look up to others who are like themselves in whatever categories they use to define their person, be it male, female, trans, Hispanic, black, white, etc.

Physicians are only as good as the services they provide. Instead of dwelling on identity politics, we should be rewarding excellence and talent.

By analogy, a restaurant owner's personal struggles aren't going to improve food quality, service, and reasonableness of prices. Her being pregnant, divorced, injured, etc., isn't going to fill seats. Hungry customers, like desperate patients, don't care about what's between your legs.

 

[Steve_Zissou]

Physicians are only as good as the services they provide. Instead of dwelling on identity politics, we should be rewarding excellence and talent.

By analogy, a restaurant owner's personal struggles aren't going to improve food quality, service, and reasonableness of prices. Her being pregnant, divorced, injured, etc., isn't going to fill seats. Hungry customers, like desperate patients, don't care about what's between your legs.

I'm going to be very blunt here, you're missing the point and this post makes you sound very out of touch.

I also wonder how much you can actually speak to this topic as a pre-med.

 

[deleted407021]

I'm going to be very blunt here, you're missing the point and this post makes you sound very out of touch.

I also wonder how much you can actually speak to this topic as a pre-med.

Once “identity politics” is uttered I sort of zone out 🙄