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Hey guys,
I thought this would be a good time to let current pod students and those who have already interviewed provide some insight about the location/environment (good or bad) of the Pod schools.

I grew up and went to college in a VERY suburban neighborhood where the population was mostly Caucasian or Asian with almost zero crime. A girl could walk around at 2am by herself and nothing would happen. So, it was a culture shock when I visited Temple, Oakland and Pomona...Did any of you guys have trouble adjusting??
 
Hey guys,
I thought this would be a good time to let current pod students and those who have already interviewed provide some insight about the location/environment (good or bad) of the Pod schools.

I grew up and went to college in a VERY suburban neighborhood where the population was mostly Caucasian or Asian with almost zero crime. A girl could walk around at 2am by herself and nothing would happen. So, it was a culture shock when I visited Temple, Oakland and Pomona...Did any of you guys have trouble adjusting??

The schools I felt a bit odd about were DMU and NYCPM. Iowa was completely different (culture shock like whoa) to where I'm from and NYCPM cause the area seemed quite shoddy and the facilities were somewhat run down. Old OCPM was pretty crappy too - area and facilities.

Don't know about Pomona (have not heard nice things), but Temple is in one of the best parts of Philly (center city) and walking distance to all the historical sites. You are lucky the pod program is not with the med/dental school in North Philly. That is definitely a rough area.

CSPM is not in such a bad part either (def not the worst of Oakland). It is on a hospital center complex and walking distance to restaurants and such. From talking to current students, they say the campus is quite safe - day or night.

A number of medical schools are in crappy areas to begin with so I wouldn't imagine many girls would prance around alone at 2am. Overall, that does not too seem too realistic in life. If you want that atmosphere, probably DMU, OCPM, Scholl. Maybe AZpod too.
 
I'll add my $0.02.

CSPM's location in Oakland is fine - far from the bad part, but really nothing special. The same thing can be said for their campus. It is fine, at best. They have all the amenities you need to go to class, study, etc. I was not impressed in the least but I would be a lot happier in the Bay Area with aging or non-redeeming facilities than outside Cleveland with everything new. The clinical sites are great and though Temple says "We're the best," a lot of their arguments as to why were pretty subjective. A student can only see so many patients a day (6-8) and surgical rotation should always be 1 on 1. Nice thing about Oakland is it's in the East Bay close to Berkeley. BART into the city for rotations from Oakland is @$6 each way, I believe. Pro: Bay Area location, if you like it, clinical experience. Con: cost of living, commuting to clinic, facilities pretty lackluster.

Temple - I am a big fan of Philly and have spent a lot of time there. Luckily, TUSPM is in a much better part of the city than the med campus is. The med campus isn't in the hood as much as people say it is, but there is no doubting that TUSPM's location, both for centrality and security's sake, is far, far, better. Still, as a female, walking alone at night in Philly is a no-no. It's still a big city, on the edge of Chinatown, but still central to just about everything with a 10-15 minute walk. Facility's even worse than CSPM, and they're going to need to put some money in (they're working on trying to secure funding, apparently) to attract some of the best, IMHO.

AZPod - If you've been in a desert and like it, you'll love Arizona! It's October and 96 during the day. It's outside metro Phoenix downtown area, and there really isn't much around - lots of motels and fast food. While the facility is "new," it's new in a "this could be a really nice suburban high school or community college" new. I was far from impressed and the amount of money spent on the building didn't show in design - the classrooms and hallways are not warm - they're sterile, and every building is the same combination of tacky tile and blue and white for miles inside. Also, the majority of the recent classes are married and at most, the class would be 1/3 female, if lucky. Some classes are as few as 1/7 recently. Also, the vast majority of students are married, and it seems to me that a lot are Mormon, which includes the Dean. Interesting at the least. You'd have to decide for yourself if you'd be comfortable here - the didactic education, I'm sure, is top-notch, but the clinic was empty when we saw it and interviewers shied away from questions. Students like it, but then again if you're caucasian and married, you'd be comfortable here. Pros: Crime? What crime? , good residency placement thus far, cost of living, warm-blazing hot all year, able to stay outdoors, good recreation, good patient population, integrated curriculum, small program within a larger institution Cons: hot as crap a lot of the year, geography (yes, I'm contradicting myself), little culture at all close to the school. Depressing to me. A lot of the students seemed not have experienced much of the world and wanted to stay in a more isolated situation, also judged by other people's cultural sensitivities and other comments on my interview day. People attend higher education institutions to escape from places like AZPod's location. It's not that bad, it's just, bleh.

Even preferring to attend a school with a nice physical plant, I would caution those who are blown away by schools like DMU to get your questions answered. If you only see 2-3 patients a day in clinic where you already see less pathology, do the awesome facilities make up for the fact that CSPM and Temple pod students see at around 6 most days? To me, the quality of education and residency placement matters first and foremost, with location, age of facilities, and other factors taking a back seat. I'm just saying to get your questions answered, talk to students, and understand to whom you're talking and what their life experience is. I haven't been to a "bad" school so far, but there are clearly distinct differences between them. Know what's important for you in a school and go from there.
 
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James.... is that you? Did you get accepted at CSPM on Oct. 3rd too?
 
If you want a white, suburban area, then OCPM is definitely for you. Independence is a wealthy, white area and very safe. The good ol' Independence PD makes sure of that. Also, the Cavs have their practice facility there, so that says something about the area as well. Most of the Cleveland suburbs are white/low crime, although some areas are more blue collar than others. Another nice feature is the Independence PD has an officer stationed at OCPM all day long (I'm not sure about at night time - maybe til 10PM?) so that adds to a feeling of security. If you want "diversity", the city is a short drive away (~10 miles), so I'm happy with the area (there is still a lot of diversity in the suburbs although maybe not in some peoples definitions -- there are tons of European immigrants in the surrounding area).

The only other school that may fit this bill is Scholl, although I'm not sure so, I won't really comment on that, but just suggest some research.
 
great post runner!! 👍 hey jpev, which guy were you on oct3rd? i was there too, i'm sure it's obvious who i am haha
 
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Scholl is located on the far southern part of North Chicago just above Lake Bluff and Lake Forest. Lake Bluff and Lake Forest are two of the safest suburbs around Chicago and home to most of Chicago's elite. North of the school is Waukegan. Waukegan is a little ghetto, but not a terrible area. If you like suburbs, you'll like the area. If you want city life, hop the train to downtown. Most of our 3rd and 4th year students live in the city because it's closer to their rotations. Hope this helps.
 
I'll add my $0.02.

CSPM's location in Oakland is fine - far from the bad part, but really nothing special. The same thing can be said for their campus. It is fine, at best. They have all the amenities you need to go to class, study, etc. I was not impressed in the least but I would be a lot happier in the Bay Area with aging or non-redeeming facilities than outside Cleveland with everything new. The clinical sites are great and though Temple says "We're the best," a lot of their arguments as to why were pretty subjective. A student can only see so many patients a day (6-8) and surgical rotation should always be 1 on 1. Nice thing about Oakland is it's in the East Bay close to Berkeley. BART into the city for rotations from Oakland is @$6 each way, I believe. Pro: Bay Area location, if you like it, clinical experience. Con: cost of living, commuting to clinic, facilities pretty lackluster.

Temple - I am a big fan of Philly and have spent a lot of time there. Luckily, TUSPM is in a much better part of the city than the med campus is. The med campus isn't in the hood as much as people say it is, but there is no doubting that TUSPM's location, both for centrality and security's sake, is far, far, better. Still, as a female, walking alone at night in Philly is a no-no. It's still a big city, on the edge of Chinatown, but still central to just about everything with a 10-15 minute walk. Facility's even worse than CSPM, and they're going to need to put some money in (they're working on trying to secure funding, apparently) to attract some of the best, IMHO.

AZPod - If you've been in a desert and like it, you'll love Arizona! It's October and 96 during the day. It's outside metro Phoenix downtown area, and there really isn't much around - lots of motels and fast food. While the facility is "new," it's new in a "this could be a really nice suburban high school or community college" new. I was far from impressed and the amount of money spent on the building didn't show in design - the classrooms and hallways are not warm - they're sterile, and every building is the same combination of tacky tile and blue and white for miles inside. Also, the majority of the recent classes are married and at most, the class would be 1/3 female, if lucky. Some classes are as few as 1/7 recently. Also, the vast majority of students are married, and it seems to me that a lot are Mormon, which includes the Dean. Interesting at the least. You'd have to decide for yourself if you'd be comfortable here - the didactic education, I'm sure, is top-notch, but the clinic was empty when we saw it and interviewers shied away from questions. Students like it, but then again if you're caucasian and married, you'd be comfortable here. Pros: Crime? What crime? , good residency placement thus far, cost of living, warm-blazing hot all year, able to stay outdoors, good recreation, good patient population, integrated curriculum, small program within a larger institution Cons: hot as crap a lot of the year, geography (yes, I'm contradicting myself), little culture at all close to the school. Depressing to me. A lot of the students seemed not have experienced much of the world and wanted to stay in a more isolated situation, also judged by other people's cultural sensitivities and other comments on my interview day. People attend higher education institutions to escape from places like AZPod's location. It's not that bad, it's just, bleh.

Even preferring to attend a school with a nice physical plant, I would caution those who are blown away by schools like DMU to get your questions answered. If you only see 2-3 patients a day in clinic where you already see less pathology, do the awesome facilities make up for the fact that CSPM and Temple pod students see at around 6 most days? To me, the quality of education and residency placement matters first and foremost, with location, age of facilities, and other factors taking a back seat. I'm just saying to get your questions answered, talk to students, and understand to whom you're talking and what their life experience is. I haven't been to a "bad" school so far, but there are clearly distinct differences between them. Know what's important for you in a school and go from there.

Wow, I felt the same way about AzPod. Sterile and not warm are true. Very excited to interview, quite disappointed when I left. Also, Idk if I want to go to sausage fest program (especially where everyone is married and the same religion). Curious about cultural sensitivities during interview day? PM me if you want.

I liked CSPM a lot, program wise and the facilities were pretty decent. Small Class size which is great, diverse clinicals, and so close to amazing San Fran. I will prob have a car though my first year. Anywho, they do have a nasty simulation center which the pod students actually use.

The admissions "guru" at Temple gives you a tour of the sim patients at the health science campus...but from talking to students, they don't ever touch them. That's some bs marketing...but then again, so is the free hotel in the doubletree 😴
 
I only interviewed at 2 places last year (OCPM and AzPOD) and was honestly more impressed with things in Ohio. But I realized that the interview day can be somewhat overwhelming and it isn't always the best idea to base everything on the interview experience. That's why I am in AZ now, I think that it was a better fit for me overall after spending a few days in each place. I don't think that AzPOD only having 1/3 females is that shocking since that is pretty close to the percentage of female applicants overall (I think overall applicants were around 40% female). No matter where you go there will be cliques of students, so having a large number of married students or students of one religion doesn't seem to be much of a problem, IMO.
 
... I am a big fan of Philly ...
Wow^

That's absolutely crazy. I've been here a week, and I'm seriously convinced it's the worst American city I've ever been to. This place has (literally) every single bad aspect of a USA big city: high crime/poverty, terrible traffic/parking, rude people, high cost of rent/food/etc, tons of litter and few parks, etc. IMO, the only bright spot here is the schools/education, but for medical education, the patients here are mostly very sick and highly depressing since the city is in such rough shape. I like what I'm learning here in Philly, but the city itself is miserable IMO...

It's like Atlanta with less trees and a lot more rude people?
...San Fran with much worse weather?
...Minneapolis with tons more litter on the streets and fewer lakes, parks, etc?
...Detroit with much higher cost of living and worse traffic?
...Boston with significantly more crime and poverty?

The worst part is probably acquiring EtOH....
Even when I just want to get have a couple and forget what's all around me, even that's hard due to the beer store laws. 🙁
 
Hey Denny,

I was one of the blue-shirted mormon guys... the taller one...with blonder hair 😀. You going to CSPM next Fall or are you gonna wait and see the other schools first?
 
If you want a white, suburban area, then OCPM is definitely for you. Independence is a wealthy, white area and very safe. The good ol' Independence PD makes sure of that. Also, the Cavs have their practice facility there, so that says something about the area as well. Most of the Cleveland suburbs are white/low crime, although some areas are more blue collar than others. Another nice feature is the Independence PD has an officer stationed at OCPM all day long (I'm not sure about at night time - maybe til 10PM?) so that adds to a feeling of security. If you want "diversity", the city is a short drive away (~10 miles), so I'm happy with the area (there is still a lot of diversity in the suburbs although maybe not in some peoples definitions -- there are tons of European immigrants in the surrounding area).

The only other school that may fit this bill is Scholl, although I'm not sure so, I won't really comment on that, but just suggest some research.

Independence, Ohio is a safe/white location. I cant really comment on cleveland though.

Stay away from Miami if you want whites and asians. Its all cubans over here and pretty f-ing ghetto in some areas.
 
I only interviewed at 2 places last year (OCPM and AzPOD) and was honestly more impressed with things in Ohio. But I realized that the interview day can be somewhat overwhelming and it isn't always the best idea to base everything on the interview experience. That's why I am in AZ now, I think that it was a better fit for me overall after spending a few days in each place. I don't think that AzPOD only having 1/3 females is that shocking since that is pretty close to the percentage of female applicants overall (I think overall applicants were around 40% female). No matter where you go there will be cliques of students, so having a large number of married students or students of one religion doesn't seem to be much of a problem, IMO.

If I attend AzPod, who will go to the phoenix area bars with me after big exams if the class is pretty much a mormon sausage fest? They obviously won't (wife, kids, and no booze).

I'm being sincere, not picking on all yall.
 
A) not all mormons are married at the school (maybe only 90%? lol)
B) Some of the mormon "saugefest" participants at AZPOD could just possibly be cool enough dudes to STILL hang out with your drunken ___ and be a designated driver, right?
C) going to bars in phoenix isn't the only way to celebrate after an exam...unless you're an alcoholic or a wannabe-womanizer BOTH of which prob won't bode well for your future in medicine after you get your residency started (like you said on some other posts before----some classes have posted some sloppy pictures on facebook of them partying...very "professional").

....just some thoughts.
 
If I attend AzPod, who will go to the phoenix area bars with me after big exams if the class is pretty much a mormon sausage fest? They obviously won't (wife, kids, and no booze).

I'm being sincere, not picking on all yall.
Don't forget about all the DO students that you will get to know. Even if the classes were 50% Mormon (which they aren't), there would still be around 150 who are more than likely willing to hit the bars. It is still a pretty popular thing to do. You would have no shortage of drinking buddies, I guarantee it.
 
A) not all mormons are married at the school (maybe only 90%? lol)
B) Some of the mormon "saugefest" participants at AZPOD could just possibly be cool enough dudes to STILL hang out with your drunken ___ and be a designated driver, right?
C) going to bars in phoenix isn't the only way to celebrate after an exam...unless you're an alcoholic or a wannabe-womanizer BOTH of which prob won't bode well for your future in medicine after you get your residency started (like you said on some other posts before----some classes have posted some sloppy pictures on facebook of them partying...very "professional").

....just some thoughts.

Did I mention about getting blasted??? You don't need to talk about me putting up shi*faced profile pics on facebook, I'm not that stupid. All I was curious about was having some fun after big tests. I know a bunch of CSPM'ers, Schollies, nycpm'ers etc who like to enjoy a night out sometimes. Just seeing what's up at AzPod.
 
Don't forget about all the DO students that you will get to know. Even if the classes were 50% Mormon (which they aren't), there would still be around 150 who are more than likely willing to hit the bars. It is still a pretty popular thing to do. You would have no shortage of drinking buddies, I guarantee it.

Thanks for the info, appreciate it. Not sure bout the DO class but from talking to a current DPM student, they made the pod school seem like almost all mormons (even the dean). Any truth to this? I noticed a mini-clique of Mo's at OCPM and was seeing if its an ultra clique at arizona. This group was known for helping out the little Mo's like crazy (notes, otq, etc).

Don't wanna be an outsider just based on religious/cultural differences. Contrary to my username, I'm not very religious. Chill and open minded too.
 
I don't know why you guys are so concerned with the population of students. Yes there are a lot of males and mormons at AZPOD, but there are a lot of other types of people there too. I have never once felt like an outsider because of religion, etc. Things like that are never even brought up. As for the male to female ratio, there are definitely more males than females in the pod program but the DO program looks to be closer to a 50/50 split. I'm hoping you aren't looking at the ratio to try to find someone to date because that is a terrible idea. The size of your class is small and you spend everyday with these people for 4 years. I am female, I am single, and I go to AZPOD. But I would never even consider dating one of my classmates. I wouldn't want to sacrifice the friendships I have formed for something that might not last. I feel like I am getting a great education at AZPOD. I am working my butt off, but I am also enjoying my free time. I have made some great friends and think people are too quick to judge the school based on demographics rather than merit.
 
I have made some great friends and think people are too quick to judge the school based on demographics rather than merit.

Well, I would have to say that demographics is a pretty big deal, especially if you are the type of person who does not adapt quickly to change. When they say "Pick the school that suits you best," what do you think they mean? Many pre-pod/med/dental/pharm students choose a school because its close to home, or resembles home or is similar to what they're most comfortable with. If you're a strick atheist, I doubt you'd want to go to a school that has a majority of Mormons. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, some schools can come as a culture shock and you may or may not ever get used to it. And if you're unhappy, don't you think that could adversely affect your studying habits, reguardless of the merit of the school?
 
Did I mention about getting blasted??? You don't need to talk about me putting up shi*faced profile pics on facebook, I'm not that stupid. All I was curious about was having some fun after big tests. I know a bunch of CSPM'ers, Schollies, nycpm'ers etc who like to enjoy a night out sometimes. Just seeing what's up at AzPod.

I thought you weren't in Pod school yet, how do you know a bunch of people from those other schools?
 
philly is a horrible city. i have been here for a long time for college and temple. i just moved out of the city for my 3rd year and i am a much happier person. But i TRULY believe that since it is in a horrible city you will see the craziest stuff in your entire life. THere are a lot of really sick people here with comorbidities and you will get a LOT of good exposure. So, if you want to see crazy stuff come here and just live out of the city. It is definitely possible.
 
If you're a strick atheist, I doubt you'd want to go to a school that has a majority of Mormons. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, some schools can come as a culture shock and you may or may not ever get used to it. And if you're unhappy, don't you think that could adversely affect your studying habits, reguardless of the merit of the school?
Like biomechanicsrox said, I never have felt that religion has been an issue. While I am sure some people will have a bigger problem adapting than others, that could be said of any school, anywhere, and for any reason, not just religion. Starting grad school is a big shock for most people, no matter what. If someone can't adapt to things like that, it will limit other choices, like where to practice, what groups you could practice in, etc. Of course it makes it easier to succeed if you don't feel like an outsider, but that comes down more to the person than the school or clique.
 
Thanks for the info, appreciate it. Not sure bout the DO class but from talking to a current DPM student, they made the pod school seem like almost all mormons (even the dean). Any truth to this? I noticed a mini-clique of Mo's at OCPM and was seeing if its an ultra clique at arizona. This group was known for helping out the little Mo's like crazy (notes, otq, etc).

Don't wanna be an outsider just based on religious/cultural differences. Contrary to my username, I'm not very religious. Chill and open minded too.
It's true that the Pod Director, Dr. Page, is Mormon, but I think he is the only professor that is. Like biomechanicsrox said, there are quite a few Mormons in the program, but we still all (as in not just Mormons, but all the pod students) hang out together and are pretty open and laid back. I think as far as most of the students are concerned, it is a non-issue. Are you coming down to interview?
 
It's true that the Pod Director, Dr. Page, is Mormon, but I think he is the only professor that is. Like biomechanicsrox said, there are quite a few Mormons in the program, but we still all (as in not just Mormons, but all the pod students) hang out together and are pretty open and laid back. I think as far as most of the students are concerned, it is a non-issue. Are you coming down to interview?


Thanks! I have an invite, have not scheduled a date yet.
 
Thanks! I have an invite, have not scheduled a date yet.

I think it is funny to read through all of your posts. Especially about the whole Mormon thing. Even better is when I read a previous response to one of my posts saying that you are a Mormon. You don't make sense to me.
 
Hey guys,
I thought this would be a good time to let current pod students and those who have already interviewed provide some insight about the location/environment (good or bad) of the Pod schools.

I grew up and went to college in a VERY suburban neighborhood where the population was mostly Caucasian or Asian with almost zero crime. A girl could walk around at 2am by herself and nothing would happen. So, it was a culture shock when I visited Temple, Oakland and Pomona...Did any of you guys have trouble adjusting??

Howdy uberconfuzzled! I too am a lady who was worried about pod school environments when I was making my decision on where to apply/go to pod school, and it's hard to really know what the area is like from just one interview day. I can tell you after living in Chicagoland for the past few months that I feel 100% safe on the Scholl campus and in my neighborhood. Scholl has security personnel scattered across the campus, as well as a high tech surveillance system. I have been on campus in the wee hours of early morning, and the late hours of the night, and there are always people around studying. Also, lots of students go for runs right from campus.

As with any city, you need to use common sense about going out & about alone, but I would definitely feel safe walking around campus alone at 2am.
 
I think it is funny to read through all of your posts. Especially about the whole Mormon thing. Even better is when I read a previous response to one of my posts saying that you are a Mormon. You don't make sense to me.

The old thread asked to the extent,"who's a mormon at cspm? do you know about good places to live, etc?"

I said, "Mo right here" as a joke. I thought it was obvious due to my user name.

Glad you're amused. 😀
 
Barry is not as scary as people make it out to be. I live about 15 minutes from school in Aventura. It is a really safe area and never felt threatened. It is a lot more safe than the suburb of San Fran I used to live in. You just have to be smart...park on campus and dont walk outside of the campus fences at night alone while holding laptops or other expensive things. None of my classmates have had any problems yet. You just have to use common sense to avoid possible dangerous situations. Where I live, I walk outside at night with my kids on a 3 mile route around the country club and have no problems.
Just research the area around the school you choose and find a safe place to live. I wouldn't recommend trusting others to find you a place. Actually go the the city and find your own place. Some people just found a place online and were in a bad area.
 
Location is critical when you are deciding your pod school.
I would say the school that makes me the most comfortable is NYCPM. The neighborhood is as ghetto as you can get and the guys are just disgusting. Many girls don't stay past 6pm because of the environment of that school. Not sure how much this is true, but I heard the number of applicants received by NYCPM is decreasing year by year?
 
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