LOR due date confusion

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So, our school is saying that our LORs have to be postmarked by October 9th. I am confused because the application due date for a lot of programs I'm looking at is November 30. Some are as late as January 31st. So is postmarked by Oct 9/ recieved by Nov 1- are these dates that universal deadline for ERAS programs? or is my school just causing me to have a panic attack unnecessarily? I know that I am late in applying, but I am planning on having everything done before Nov 30...

I have heard that we are supposed to give letter writers one month to write our LORs, and in that case... well I guess I'm screwed.

So is Nov 1 the deadline? Someone please answer this question and put my mind at ease...
 
I don't think Oct. 9 is any sort of universal guideline. From my understanding, programs can individually set their deadlines for completion, so it might be a deadline for some programs, but it does seem a little early. I think Nov. is the more usual deadline for stuff.

As for timelines for LOR writers, it really depends. One month is probably the most courteous (and safe) timeline to use, but some people write letters really quickly. If you have a good relationship with your letter writers, hopefully they can expedite writing your letter if needed. My LOR writers took from one day to a little over a month to get my letters in.
 
So, our school is saying that our LORs have to be postmarked by October 9th. I am confused because the application due date for a lot of programs I'm looking at is November 30. Some are as late as January 31st. So is postmarked by Oct 9/ recieved by Nov 1- are these dates that universal deadline for ERAS programs? or is my school just causing me to have a panic attack unnecessarily? I know that I am late in applying, but I am planning on having everything done before Nov 30...

I have heard that we are supposed to give letter writers one month to write our LORs, and in that case... well I guess I'm screwed.

So is Nov 1 the deadline? Someone please answer this question and put my mind at ease...

Oct 9 isn't a deadline set by ERAS, but since LORs must be uploaded to ERAS by your school, your school can set whatever deadline they want. That seems really early, but I can only assume it's designed to be mutually beneficial (force you to not be egregiously late with apps, and they don't have to worry about uploading LORs forever).

Have you not asked ANYONE for a letter yet? If not, a) that's ridiculous, and b) you better get on that tomorrow.
 
Why, thank you, AttyHubby, for your insightful and encouraging words concerning my question about LORs. Maybe it is ridiculous concerning it is towards the end of September, but I have had a lot of trouble choosing a specialty due to 1) geographical limitations because my husband is already matched 2) lifestyle considerations bc he is general surgery and we want a family. I guess my predicament is still "ridiculous" but I haven't wanted to go to an attending and say, "not sure what I want to do, but hey, you wanna write a letter for me!" I mean, that seems sort of ridiculous. But I might be wrong.

At this point I am so discouraged by the whole thing I'm considering taking a year off and getting a MPH. Ugh.
 
Why, thank you, AttyHubby, for your insightful and encouraging words concerning my question about LORs. Maybe it is ridiculous concerning it is towards the end of September, but I have had a lot of trouble choosing a specialty due to 1) geographical limitations because my husband is already matched 2) lifestyle considerations bc he is general surgery and we want a family. I guess my predicament is still "ridiculous" but I haven't wanted to go to an attending and say, "not sure what I want to do, but hey, you wanna write a letter for me!" I mean, that seems sort of ridiculous. But I might be wrong.

At this point I am so discouraged by the whole thing I'm considering taking a year off and getting a MPH. Ugh.

Admittedly, my last sentence was meant to be provocative, but what I said first did directly answer your question. Considering this is a school issue, the only one who can find out exactly how firm your school's Oct 9 deadline is...is you.

Sorry if you think I'm being harsh, but I find it hard to believe that after a year of 3rd year clerkships and now several months of 4th year you still can't decide on a specialty. Your limitations should be narrowing it down further for you, not making it harder. Geography makes it easy to pick programs (my wife has the same issue by the way). Wanting a lifestyle specialty helps, too. Obviously things like surgery are out. You can narrow it down further by your grades/steps. I mean, if your step 1 is a 215, you can cross things like derm, rad onc, rads, optho off your list which narrows down the "lifestyle" specialties even further.

What have you liked about clerkships so far? Do you like working with kids better than adults? If so, peds might be your path. Do you like working fast, frantic, and doing lots of procedures? Maybe EM is your thing (very lifestyle friendly due to the shift work aspect). Want to keep a lot of options open? Both Peds and IM have a huge number of subspecialty fellowships available, sometimes it seems almost as many as all the other specialties combined. Also, since Peds, IM, etc aren't super competitive, you'd have a much better shot at matching near your husband.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to spur you into action. These are things that should have been decided a while ago - and you must know that. You're behind here (and your school's Oct 9 BS isn't helping), but it's not too late. Make a decision, decide which attendings like and know you best (don't necessarily have to be in your chosen field, but at least 1 should be), and ask them to write one and also let them know about the schools ridic deadline. Your school's deadline may end up being a blessing in disguise because if it forces you to get complete at programs by mid Oct you will still have a great shot at interviewing at most/all of your programs.

Good luck, but most importantly, get moving! 👍
 
Why, thank you, AttyHubby, for your insightful and encouraging words concerning my question about LORs. Maybe it is ridiculous concerning it is towards the end of September, but I have had a lot of trouble choosing a specialty due to 1) geographical limitations because my husband is already matched 2) lifestyle considerations bc he is general surgery and we want a family. I guess my predicament is still "ridiculous" but I haven't wanted to go to an attending and say, "not sure what I want to do, but hey, you wanna write a letter for me!" I mean, that seems sort of ridiculous. But I might be wrong.

At this point I am so discouraged by the whole thing I'm considering taking a year off and getting a MPH. Ugh.

Do you have any attendings you worked closely with who you could ask for a letter form and mention your indecision? That way they'll at least know you'll want a letter even though they might wait until you decide to write it.

Other thought. Our dean said that if we really were undecided, he wanted us to limit it to two specialties and apply in both. Applying for more than that isn't feasible, and putting off your application really late can have negative consequences. So could you pick two things?
 
thanks for the advice. I did ask for a letter from an attending I worked with for an entire month on IM, and surprisingly, she said we "hadn't worked together long enough for her to feel confident in writing me a good letter". An ENTIRE MONTH is the longest I've ever worked with an attending, so I was really surprised by this. My evaluations and grade from her were overwhelmingly positive, so I was sort of dumbfounded.

For some reason, in MOST of my rotations of my third year, I had very little face time with attendings, and in medicine and pediatrics, actually rounded with chief residents instead of attendings. So that complicates matters.

the major issue with choosing a specialty is that I've been really interested in doing ob/gyn, but have been hesitant due to the lifestyle. I really enjoy the OR, but a lot of more competitive surg specialties are obviously out since I am trying to get into ONE program. I do have a so-so step one and so-so grades that are pretty much average, or slightly below average.

I think I am going to apply to ob/gyn and just suck it up and work hard in residency, and then afterwards try to find a good gig in a large practice, academics, or a laborist job. I am really late getting this all going, but hopefully not too late.

I have at least one person who has agreed to write a LOR, so not all bad. definitely better than ZERO right:laugh: and apparently the date isn't absolutely, completely set in stone, THANK GOD.
 
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