LOW GRADES - What should I do next?? Please help!!!

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What should I do next?? Please help!!!

(Apologies for the loooong post - there's a summary at the bottom)...
Unfortunately, during most of my junior year, I had several personal
issues which were quite negatively reflected on my transcript. However, dentistry is still a dream of mine and I am therefore writing this in the hope that I will gain some useful information as to what my next few steps should be.
I am currently a senior at Indiana University, Bloomington, and I am on
track to graduate in May of 2006. However, after discussing this topic with many other students and advisors, my performance to this point may possibly hinder my ability to be accepted into dental school directly from my undergraduate studies. I expect to graduate with a cumulative GPA of about 3.0 (hopefully) and a science GPA of approximately 2.5 with a B.S. Psychology major, and a minor in Biology. I have two B's for the required Bio 1 and 2, one C for gen. chem 1, one D- for Gen. Chem 2, 2 C's for orgo 1 and 2, and hopefully 2 B+'s for Physics 1 and 2. I have not yet taken the DAT's, but I do intend to take them at some point during the spring of 2006. I have a lot of volunteering, dental shadowing, and research experience which certainly will show my desire for dentistry. I have spoken to many
students who were in my same situation and who, with determinition, still
managed to gain an acceptance into dental school. Many of them pursued post-bacc studies in an effort to prove themselves and their abilities. This therefore brings me to the purpose of this thread: I really need some advice, about the following:

*Please note that for your convenience I have structured the questions so that you can simply answer them by including the corresponding letters and numbers.

A) DELAY GRADUATION?:

1) While I am on track to graduate in May 2006, do you think it would be
beneficial to perhaps delay graduation so that I am able to take additional
classes and possibly raise my undergraduate GPA? I could then repeat some
required pre-dental classes that I did not do very well in, and hopefully raise my undergraduate science GPA a little.
2) What other classes would you recommend I take before graduation if this would be beneficial?

B) CHEMISTRY MINOR?:

** I am one class away from a chemistry minor (Biochemistry), however, I have been told by my advisor that gaining this minor would really not make much of a difference to my record. I am skeptical about this advice -
1) Would a chemistry minor be beneficial to me (in addition to my Biology
minor),
-or-
2) Would I rather benefit from repeating other classes and raising my GPA that way?

C) POST-BACC?:

1) Would a post-bacc program be my best option (or a better option then 'A' above)? I have been told that some admission committees analyze undergraduate and graduate coursework separately and that this may be a benefit of a post-bacc program, as opposed to simply delaying my graduation and taking additional undergraduate courses.
2) If this is my best option are there any specific programs that you would recommend?

D) NON-DEGREE?:

** I know that many post-bacc programs are very specific, and that while there are some programs that are tailored specifically toward students in my position, many of them vary.
1) I was therefore wondering if a specifically structured post-bacc program
would be more beneficial than perhaps structuring my own schedule and taking these classes as a non-degree seeking student after my graduation?
2) Would either one (post-bacc or non-degree) be more or less beneficial than the other?
3) Should I maybe just take courses outlined in a post-bacc programs while maintaining my undergraduate status?

E) APPLYING?:

** Once I have decided on a plan of action beyond taking the DAT's next semester,
1) Should I still go ahead and apply for the 2007 dental class, and perhaps
explain my intent to strengthen my resume by taking post-bacc classes (for
example) between the time period of applying and beginning dental school?
-or-
2) Should I first go ahead and complete these classes so that everything is
included in my resume? I realize however, that this would lead me to delaying
dental school to 2008, so -
3) If there is a way around that, what would it be?

F) RESEARCH?:

** I am currently doing research in a neuroscience lab. I may be given the
opportunity to continue this research beyond graduation, however, it would be extremely time consuming and I would not be able to take many additional classes in addition to the research.
1) Is this maybe a good alternative compared to the others; even though it
will keep me from taking some additional classes?
** I am also going to be doing this research during next semester (spring 06),
but it will keep me from taking perhaps an additional science class such as
biochemistry.
2) Should I drop the research and take biochemistry or another science class next semester instead?


Lastly, i am thinking about sending these questions to some admissions committees at some dental schools - do you think thats a good idea? I dont want it to reflect negatively on me...

-- SUMMARY:

- Should I declare graduation or continue taking science classes (as an undergrad) above and beyond predent requirements to strengthen my GPA?
- Does it matter if it's a post-bacc or nondegree structured program?
- All I need is biochem. for my minor - should I even bother with a chem. minor or will it not even matter?
- Should I do research next semester or should I maybe free up some time and take another science class (and maybe get a chem. minor this way)?

THANK YOU so much for your help! I just joined this forum and I am finding it so useful already so any advice is GREATLY appreciated!!!

- Drteeth
 
with a strong will/determination for dentistry, you will be able to prove yourself to the admis. committee. -- *just stay strong*

I wud recommend you pull up ur GPA by a lil more, and if you're just one class from a chem minor...(take that class...and DO WELL in it...den...you accomplish ur task in improving ur GPA and getting a minor...2 birds hit with one stone rite?)

-- and yes, getting that chem minor wud not do much to help u get accepted (or so i don't think)...but it is indeed a "boasting" factor. ^_^ , besides, u'r only one class away.

-- one more thing is...if u can STUDY HARD for ur DAT...DO VERY WELL, den use that to justify for passion for dentistry. ^_^ that will hopefully help move their hearts a lil.

-- don't send ALL these questions to them, you'll overwhelm them. Wait until you're really not getting all the answers you have, then go from there.

GOOD LUCK! and I JUST JOINED this forum yesterday TOO. hehe...so many sMarT people here! heheh.
 
VegasBabyVegas said:
...write less words.


...i know i apologize - i just needed to get it all out there...thats why there's a summary at the bottom...
 
A DEFINITE bump to the part about delaying graduation for a year..I am also contemplating going 5 years instead of 4 years just to make sure i can get everything right the first time, but dont know if it is the right idea or not..?
 
If I were you I would look into graduation in May,Like you already have the plan for it. Then after my graduation, I would get upper-Division classes in Biology Department i.e. Anatomy,Immunalogy,Histology..(talk with your advisor and choose some courses that would help you when you get into Dental School). I would definetly take Biochemistry, it looks very good even if it's not a requirement. One thing for you to know is that, Professional schools look deeply to your grades and they care alot about the trend that you are following. if you have done bad in some years then they want to see that you have changed. one way to show them is by getting good grades. By the way Can't you re-take Chem because of the "D" that you have? in my college, we are allowed to re-take up to 10 hours from the courses that we already passed.

Then it comes to your DAT,,,focus on your DAT and I think that's something which can turn around everything for you. by having a good DAT and getting good grades from now on, you will definetely have a chance for admission. I know some friends of mine in same situation as yours; but they worked hard and they got in,so you will get in too...just work hard and you will be alright..

Also don't think that your research experiences or shadow works will get you there...without good DAT or GPA, you won't get interviews.

Good Luck 👍
 
Hey Drteeth, you're kinda like my roommate's situation. She has about the same GPA's, but the difference is that she got mostly A's in the pre-req courses such as bio, gen chem, and org chem. What affected her were the upper division sci classes.

For your kind of situation, my school advisors recommended to re-take those pre-req, definitely gen. chem in your case, and take additional uppper division sci. classes and get ONLY A's in them, to prove that you have the ability to handle hardcore sci classes in d-school. I'd take Biochemistry for sure. Other than that you can take molecular genetics, histology, virology, immunology, defferentiated cell biology, ect.

My roommate decided not to apply for 2006, but take a yr off. She's looking at those post-bac programs where you take the first yr classes with dental students and if you get only A's and B's, you can automatically start dental school in the second yr. But note those programs are very competitive too. Nova's biomedical program of this type only takes 5 people a year.

At last, How long have you been on the research? Of course it totally depends on how much you like it, but since it's so time consuming, I'd seriously think about if I should continue. As long as you have the research experience, it's enough. I don't think any dental school cares whether you've done it for 2 yrs or 3 yrs, which don't make much difference. They don't expect you to be the priciple investigator of the research.

Good luck, and don't give up.
 
They want to see improvement and you are mostly able to prove them that dental school heavy load is not a problem for you after a year of upper division classes. to repeat lower divison class might be the worst choice because that doesnt impress them. (they would expect you to get a good grade anyway, since it is your 2nd time)

however, i think the best thing to do is to have a consulation with the school that you want to attend most. tell them about the situation and get their advices, and follow the advices.
 
Hey thanks for everyones input! I guess one thing that is on my side is grade trend. While i started out pretty well as a fresh. and soph., my junior year grades just plummeted (spelling??), but this and next semester they will definitely show dramatic improvements - im looking at a 3.6 range, and hopefully they will stay high through summer and next year.

Some key questions have still gone unanswered though:

- Do you think dent. schools prefer structured post bacc work, as apposed to me simply creating a rigorous schedule of science classes for next year (or perhaps copying the schedule of a post-bacc program)?

- Is it preferable to strengthen my undergrad GPA by delaying graduation in May and taking more undergrad science classes, or should i rather graduate and get a post-bacc GPA started; I've heard some talk about schools looking at your post-bacc and undergrad GPA's as seperate entities which is sometimes beneficial??

Lastly, unfortunately my school wont allow me to drop the crappy chem grade, but i will have to retake the class and for sure I need to get an A in it...

Thanks again for you help!
 
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