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BLADEMDA said:
Or CRNAs take a salary hit to $100k along with Anesthesiologists who get cut to $250k. We can't win by seeing who is the cheapest provider because they win that scenario every time.
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If they are willing to take my Q5 obstetric call and unpaid overtime for that price I don't know what to say. They shouldn't have done the CRNA route because med-surg would have been more lucrative per hour.
 
FFP said:
Nor are unicorns.
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Ok, do enlighten us then. What is so horrendous about a listing like the one below?

Quick search on Gaswork brought up this. I purposely skipped the first 8 or 9 pages of listings with higher salaries to find something with a salary in this range.

W-2 position, minimum 300k, all MD practice, no call, no nights, no weekends, malpractice paid, 100% doing own cases with no CRNA supervision, located in a major metro area on the east coast.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189779
 
amLOLdipine said:
Ok, do enlighten us then.

Quick search on Gaswork brought up this. I purposely skipped the first 8 or 9 pages of listings with higher salaries to find something with a salary in this range.

W-2 position, minimum 300k, all MD practice, no call/nights/weekends, malpractice paid, 100% doing own cases with no CRNA supervision, located in a major metro area on the east coast.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189779
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That's a pain management job you linked to. Through a recruiting agency that will nicely pocket 30k for the effort, out of your pocket, while doing nothing for you. Beyond used car salesmen, there must be a circle closer to the fire, in hell: for recruiters.

Thank you for reminding me why you got a so rare position on my coveted ignore list (it really takes a ton of cheek to get there). Enjoy. I hope you feel more enlightened now.
 
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FFP said:
That's a pain management job you linked to. Through a recruiting agency that will nicely pocket 30k for the effort, out of your pocket, while doing nothing for you.

Beyond used car salesmen, there must be a circle closer to the fire, in hell: for recruiters.
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There are lots of gen anesthesia and CC jobs in that range on gaswork though. I pretty much picked one at random after skipping the first 8-9 pages with higher salaries.

Here is another. What's so terrible about this one? I'm not being sarcastic here; I'm genuinely curious.

W-2, 350-360k, 50% CC, 50% OR (30% own cases/70% supervision), partner track, 1 hour away from Philadelphia. Malpractice, health insurance, etc included.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189853
 
amLOLdipine said:
Ok, do enlighten us then. What is so horrendous about a listing like the one below?

Quick search on Gaswork brought up this. I purposely skipped the first 8 or 9 pages of listings with higher salaries to find something with a salary in this range.

W-2 position, minimum 300k, all MD practice, no call, no nights, no weekends, malpractice paid, 100% doing own cases with no CRNA supervision, located in a major metro area on the east coast.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189779
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Its a 100% pain job which requires a fellowship in pain. Your OR skills will atrophy. If that type of practice floats your boat and you are willing to crank out procedures all day, you certainly can make a lot of money especially in a less desirable area. Good luck getting back into the OR after a few years of that.
 
Here is a general anesthesia one in Parsippany NJ (<1 hr from NYC).

W-2 position, no fellowship required, 300-320k, outpatient with no call, nights, weekends, 100% doing own cases, malpractice and other benefits included.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189927
 
amLOLdipine said:
There are lots of gen anesthesia and CC jobs in that range on gaswork though. I pretty much picked one at random after skipping the first 8-9 pages with higher salaries.

Here is another. What's so terrible about this one? I'm not being sarcastic here; I'm genuinely curious.

W-2, 350-360k, 50% CC, 50% OR (30% own cases/70% supervision), partner track, 1 hour away from Philadelphia. Malpractice, health insurance, etc included.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189853
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Again if you do a critical care fellowship and you are tee certified for cardiac cases and don't mind taking call in Allentown PA an hour from Philly then you certainly can do this job. Critical care is not everyone cup of tea. In-house call in Allentown may not be everyone's cup of tea either. What is the call schedule? Where are you going to live to take Q5 call in Allentown. How many hours per week are you really going to be on duty or on-call? 60? 80?
 
amLOLdipine said:
Here is a general anesthesia one in Parsippany NJ (<1 hr from NYC).

W-2 position, no fellowship required, 300-320k, outpatient with no call, nights, weekends, 100% doing own cases, malpractice and other benefits included.

http://www.gaswork.com/post/189927
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Sounds good. Sign me up. How expensive is a house in Parsippany? You may be surprised when the salary quoted includes 401k match and some of your benefits but this may be a real or even a good job. Make sure you find out why the previous doc left the position.
 
d9sccr said:
This seems awfully hard to believe. There are several CRNAs that make more than that at one of the hospitals where I train
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Probably locums.

Where I used to work, there were multiple locums who made close to what I did, on an average hourly basis, and respected me accordingly.
 
http://www.gaswork.com/post/181764

Anesthesiology group with 49 MDs in Roanoke, VA.

W-2 position, 400k, 1 year to partnership, 90% doing own cases, malpractice paid.


"The ability to perform 90% of our own cases makes us a unique and desirable group. We offer a fair and transparent production based model with no preference given to seniority.

We offer first year partnership and financial parity between all physicians regardless of partnership status. Our full time physicians have a high earning potential due to a flexible call and vacation schedule. Most docs take between 6-12 vacation weeks and earn an average of $400,000 plus benefits. Benefits include a fully matched 401K, malpractice, health, dental, life, disability, and worker's comp insurance. Opportunity for additional call exists and is well-compensated, but is not required. "
 
Now everyone is looking on GASWORK. To the ones posting links and asking why this ad could be so bad, there is no right answer. Having said that, through my experience and the ones of colleagues, we have found gaswork jobs to be some of the crappier ones out there. Is it a job?? Sure, but not usually the type someone is looking for to grow with and blossom into a partnership anesthesia track with benfits, etc.. Are there exceptions? sure they come along once in a while but for the most part they suck. If you look at the gaswork threads and keep an eye on them throughout 1-3 years, you will see that the SAME job is CONSISTENTLY posted. Why is that?

1. Very high turn over rate of anesthesiologist due to malignant/crap hours/crap calls/crap surgeons/crap location/driving.. etc
2. AMC advertising through recruitment looking for as many -ologists as they can find to replace the ones leaving due to reason #1 (new grads usually).
3. Groups/AMC's posting ads when they really aren't looking just to check you out and have your info in case they need someone quick for whatever reason.

Again, you may find your dream job on there SOMEDAY if you're lucky but most people wont..
 
gasp said:
Now everyone is looking on GASWORK. To the ones posting links and asking why this ad could be so bad, there is no right answer. Having said that, through my experience and the ones of colleagues, we have found gaswork jobs to be some of the crappier ones out there.
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I am aware of that. The reason for posting these links is because:

Consigliere said:
$250-275k. Read those Gaswork ads carefully.
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It seems like even the lifestyle-oriented jobs at outpatient surgery centers with no call/nights/weekends are offering more than that. And, as you said, the jobs posted on Gaswork are not the best ones, either, so one may be able to do better if they come from a strong program/have connections/do fellowship.
 
BLADEMDA said:
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what exactly is "solo practice" for an anesthesiologist? Are they talking about somebody in a major metro area that just does locums in their area? My best definition of "solo practice" in our specialty is the small hospital where you are the only doc and are on call 24/7 except when someone covers you on your vacation and those jobs pay a hell of a lot more than $275K or whatever that bar is in the graph above.
 
amlodipine

anytime you see call for details (under facility name) its a bunch of crap... You're talking to folks here who are PROS, I mean PROS at knowing what kind of job it is before you even call. Including myself. I've spoken to hundreds and hundreds of recruiters over the years. And the one job you posted its a recruiting agency. Don't ever call them....
The market IS getting better. YES.. A few years ago it would not say 'call for details' it would say "no phone calls send CV and we ll call you if we are interested"
But the market is saturated with jobs that have 90 day no cause termination clause in it, working as a perpetual employee. How can you raise a family with that kind of stability? meaning NONE.
 
gasp said:
Now everyone is looking on GASWORK. To the ones posting links and asking why this ad could be so bad, there is no right answer. Having said that, through my experience and the ones of colleagues, we have found gaswork jobs to be some of the crappier ones out there. Is it a job?? Sure, but not usually the type someone is looking for to grow with and blossom into a partnership anesthesia track with benfits, etc.. Are there exceptions? sure they come along once in a while but for the most part they suck. If you look at the gaswork threads and keep an eye on them throughout 1-3 years, you will see that the SAME job is CONSISTENTLY posted. Why is that?

1. Very high turn over rate of anesthesiologist due to malignant/crap hours/crap calls/crap surgeons/crap location/driving.. etc
2. AMC advertising through recruitment looking for as many -ologists as they can find to replace the ones leaving due to reason #1 (new grads usually).
3. Groups/AMC's posting ads when they really aren't looking just to check you out and have your info in case they need someone quick for whatever reason.

Again, you may find your dream job on there SOMEDAY if you're lucky but most people wont..
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Yes recruiters often post an ad on Gaswork that is false. It sounds too good to be true. They are just fishing for Anesthesiologists. Once you have taken the BAIT and responded to the ad, they will make the SWITCH to a less desirable, lower paying job because you are not the candidate for the first job (Cardiac trained with lots of papers published and experience as chief of an Anesthesia group at a major medical center).

You are better off drawing a circle around your target area and contacting every hospital in the circle asking for the name of their Anesthesia group. From there you can use the internet or a phone call to find out who the Chief of Anesthesia is in each group, and contact them directly using phone or fax. Follow up with phone calls every few months and you will get plenty of interviews. If you are really set on a particular area, get licensed in that state before you look for jobs so you can tell them you are ready to hit the ground running as soon as an opening comes up.

You are actually a less desirable candidate if you come through a recruiter because you come with a $30,000 additional fee.
 
skypilot said:
Yes recruiters often post an ad on Gaswork that is false. It sounds too good to be true. They are just fishing for Anesthesiologists. Once you have taken the BAIT and responded to the ad, they will make the SWITCH to a less desirable, lower paying job because you are not the candidate for the first job (Cardiac trained with lots of papers published and experience as chief of an Anesthesia group at a major medical center).

You are better off drawing a circle around your target area and contacting every hospital in the circle asking for the name of their Anesthesia group. From there you can use the internet or a phone call to find out who the Chief of Anesthesia is in each group, and contact them directly using phone or fax. Follow up with phone calls every few months and you will get plenty of interviews. If you are really set on a particular area, get licensed in that state before you look for jobs so you can tell them you are ready to hit the ground running as soon as an opening comes up.
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Thanks for this advice.
 
skypilot said:
You are better off drawing a circle around your target area and contacting every hospital in the circle asking for the name of their Anesthesia group. .
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Great advice..... ten years ago...... Not so great present day. WHy? Because often one managment company has locked into the whole area.. Just one example. If you are looking for a job in North carolina.. More specifically, Charlotte or Raleigh? There are maybe 30 hospitals in those two areas.... but only one anesthesia group. So no matter who the chief of anesthesia is in those thirty hospitals you will get the same response.. Send your cv into HR of XXXX management group we will contact you if we are interested.
 
CRNAs make as much as a VP at Goldman, but work at least 50% less and have greater job security.
 
criticalelement said:
Great advice..... ten years ago...... Not so great present day. WHy? Because often one managment company has locked into the whole area.. Just one example. If you are looking for a job in North carolina.. More specifically, Charlotte or Raleigh? There are maybe 30 hospitals in those two areas.... but only one anesthesia group. So no matter who the chief of anesthesia is in those thirty hospitals you will get the same response.. Send your cv into HR of XXXX management group we will contact you if we are interested.
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that's not exactly true. Metro Charlotte has multiple private groups within 60 miles as well as Mednax. Raleigh I think is one big hospital with Mednax although surrounding areas still have private groups.
 
Mman said:
that's not exactly true.
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FOr purposes of discussion it;s true. I know the other big hospital in charlotte has it's own group but they will be bought out im sure at some point. Plus the chances of a new grad cold calling those guys and having success are very slim. Do i know that for absolutely sure? Nope. Just the impression I get by the ads Ive seen from them. If you do end up getting an invite with them I bet it wont be a partnership track position or a six-eight year track to junior partner.

The strategy that was pointed out would not yield results as much as it would ten years ago.

I am not being a pain in the a ss. Believe me I am as depressed as all of you are about this.
 
There is actually ajob posting in NC i just looked. Level one trauma center ... employed position...

This is a real job. Employed. Do i know the job. NOPE. My impression, no chance to partnership. No financial disclosure. You wont have ANY say in anything. The only thing you will do is SHOW UP and sign charts and attend inductions and maybe emergences if you are lucky. If you try to gum up the system by using medical decision making you will be eliminated. Liability will be off the charts, pay in the toilet. Your kids will be in school by the time you get fed up with the bs there. You will stick it out and show up everyday because of your kids. It will eat you alive watching the same people who ask you how your weekend was are making 4x what you are making. You will become bitter, it will spill over into your personal life. You wont be able to perform for your wife anymore. You will become depressed. Perhaps you will look at the medications that you give with temptation. perhaps not. BUt the stress and inner anger will gnaw at you which at some point will close your coronaries. and it will be lights out on the side of the turnpike as you are taking a run to de stress...
 
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criticalelement said:
FOr purposes of discussion it;s true. I know the other big hospital in charlotte has it's own group but they will be bought out im sure at some point.
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There are several smaller hospitals in the metro Charlotte area as well.
 
criticalelement said:
It will eat you alive watching the same people who ask you how your weekend was are making 4x what you are making. You will become bitter, it will spill over into your personal life. You wont be able to perform for your wife anymore. You will become depressed. Perhaps you will look at the medications that you give with temptation. perhaps not.
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criticalelement said:
There is actually ajob posting in NC i just looked. Level one trauma center ... employed position...

It will eat you alive watching the same people who ask you how your weekend was are making 4x what you are making. You will become bitter, it will spill over into your personal life. You wont be able to perform for your wife anymore. You will become depressed. Perhaps you will look at the medications that you give with temptation. perhaps not. BUt the stress and inner anger will gnaw at you which at some point will close your coronaries. and it will be lights out on the side of the turnpike as you are taking a run to de stress...
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lol projecting like a MFer.
 
criticalelement said:
There is actually ajob posting in NC i just looked. Level one trauma center ... employed position...

This is a real job. Employed. Do i know the job. NOPE. My impression, no chance to partnership. No financial disclosure. You wont have ANY say in anything. The only thing you will do is SHOW UP and sign charts and attend inductions and maybe emergences if you are lucky. If you try to gum up the system by using medical decision making you will be eliminated. Liability will be off the charts, pay in the toilet. Your kids will be in school by the time you get fed up with the bs there. You will stick it out and show up everyday because of your kids. It will eat you alive watching the same people who ask you how your weekend was are making 4x what you are making. You will become bitter, it will spill over into your personal life. You wont be able to perform for your wife anymore. You will become depressed. Perhaps you will look at the medications that you give with temptation. perhaps not. BUt the stress and inner anger will gnaw at you which at some point will close your coronaries. and it will be lights out on the side of the turnpike as you are taking a run to de stress...
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Heh heh, ha ha, 🙂 You probably won't get your dream job by cold calling and faxing and follow up calls. But you will get a job. One that pays the bills and earns you lots more money than you did as a resident. Most new grads end up switching jobs anyway. My job is far from a dream job. But it pays the bills, and I enjoy my work every day. Rarely have to supervise CRNAs. Make less money than those who do. Keep my expenses low. Keep an eye on my retirement accounts. Get most of my satisfaction outside of work with a sweet wife and two kids and a little house in the burbs.
 
FFP said:
One is a partner, the other is an employee. Guess who is which. 😉
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if someone needs their job to make them happy, well that's a personal problem and not a job problem.
 
skypilot said:
Heh heh, ha ha, 🙂 You probably won't get your dream job by cold calling and faxing and follow up calls. But you will get a job. One that pays the bills and earns you lots more money than you did as a resident. Most new grads end up switching jobs anyway. My job is far from a dream job. But it pays the bills, and I enjoy my work every day. Rarely have to supervise CRNAs. Make less money than those who do. Keep my expenses low. Keep an eye on my retirement accounts. Get most of my satisfaction outside of work with a sweet wife and two kids and a little house in the burbs.
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that's really what it is all about. A job is a means to an end. Enjoy life/family, save money, retire and live the good life. As long as you enjoy the day to day work enough that is all anybody can really ask for. It's called a job for a reason.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
I know I was told "if you love the OR, pick surgery. If you wanted a life, pick anesthesia." It's more complicated than that, especially with the way things are going.
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if any juniors are actually curious.....this is why i did anesthesia. i may work alot and when i work i may be bent over a bit, but when i walk out i don't have to THINK about work (unless i screwed something up, but i try to avoid that). i believe there is another thread with all the crap we love to do outside the OR (music, vacay, snowboarding, guns (not really my thing for reasons i wont put here), etc) so that's a good thread to maybe check out as a reason TO DO anesthesia (or Rads, or ER, or Ophtho, or Derm)
 
Twiggidy said:
if any juniors are actually curious.....this is why i did anesthesia. i may work alot and when i work i may be bent over a bit, but when i walk out i don't have to THINK about work (unless i screwed something up, but i try to avoid that). i believe there is another thread with all the crap we love to do outside the OR (music, vacay, snowboarding, guns (not really my thing for reasons i wont put here), etc) so that's a good thread to maybe check out as a reason TO DO anesthesia (or Rads, or ER, or Ophtho, or Derm)
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The same goes with most specialties though, once you're done, you are done. Even in FM, I don't take my work home with me. I finish everything in a timely manner and go home. My goal is to have my clinic notes done before I go home and ensure all my patient tasks are taken care of - prior auths, refill requests, checking labs, patient concerns, etc. If something is urgent enough I'll take a few minutes and make a call at the end of the day, especially to the pt over a lab or an urgent concern. If it's not urgent, I'll just do it the next day. People need to learn to prioritize things and be efficient else you could be at work til late or bringing work home with you.

If I'm on call then I don't go home. If I'm backup, I'm still at home. Surgeons are never really home.
 
Mman said:
that's really what it is all about. A job is a means to an end. Enjoy life/family, save money, retire and live the good life. As long as you enjoy the day to day work enough that is all anybody can really ask for. It's called a job for a reason.
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We didn't go to medical school to have a JOB. I can have a job at walmart.
 
criticalelement said:
We didn't go to medical school to have a JOB. I can have a job at walmart.
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Absolutely false. Medicine is a humble job that is higher paying and more secure than most. Nothing more or less. We are nothing special for going to medical school. Pick up the broom and get to work.
 
Carbocation1 said:
Absolutely false. Medicine is a humble job that is higher paying and more secure than most. Nothing more or less. We are nothing special for going to medical school. Pick up the broom and get to work.
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Unfortunately, this is what medicine has become and the generations will keep buying into this mentality.
 
Carbocation1 said:
Absolutely false. Medicine is a humble job that is higher paying and more secure than most. Nothing more or less. We are nothing special for going to medical school. Pick up the broom and get to work.
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Sorry you feel that way. You're probably one of those "we are all equal and should listen to what everyone, even a nursing student, has to say...you can learn from anyone!" douche canoes. I for one feel that because of the sacrifice and hard work that I have undergone, I am special. The hazing one must undergo to become a doctor is unlike any other profession. When I walk into the hospital and pass the cafeteria workers, nurses, respiratory therapists, housekeepers, etc. I don't think I'm better than them - I KNOW I AM. That's right - I said it. Most here feel the same exact way but won't have the nuts to admit it.
 
Carbocation1 said:
Absolutely false. Medicine is a humble job that is higher paying and more secure than most. Nothing more or less. We are nothing special for going to medical school. Pick up the broom and get to work.
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Go be a janitor then.
 
Consigliere said:
Sorry you feel that way. You're probably one of those "we are all equal and should listen to what everyone, even a nursing student, has to say...you can learn from anyone!" douche canoes. I for one feel that because of the sacrifice and hard work that I have undergone, I am special. The hazing one must undergo to become a doctor is unlike any other profession. When I walk into the hospital and pass the cafeteria workers, nurses, respiratory therapists, housekeepers, etc. I don't think I'm better than them - I KNOW I AM. That's right - I said it. Most here feel the same exact way but won't have the nuts to admit it.
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Amen brother......
 
USC2k7 said:
Or, you know, maybe it was because my mommy taught me an ounce of humility. Eh, who am I kidding, probably it's just cause I was raised in one of those liberal suburban yuppy neighborhoods. They gots to me early
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effective usage of your throw away account
 
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