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Zenge142 said:
Look the thing is, I initially got slight village MK vibes, but it’s honestly too early for me to have a solid read with as little as she’s posted. I need more. But I’m standing by my initial snap read at the moment and it’s not where I’m interested in looking today, unless something drastic happens
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I was calling the messed up spoiler tag wolfy, not you. But I appreciate the clarification.
 
Stagg737 said:
I don't really know what you want. I'm just not great at reading Dubz. I don't expect much from Zenge early on D1 as I don't get a feel for him or find him notable until later, which is the same as now. I feel like with you I see relevant activity pretty early and you are more notable early on. This is not the case with everyone.

I noted it with Moon because I felt there is enough to notice and start formulating thoughts there. That's not the case with many people, both those I've played with a lot and those I've never played with before.

Bottom line is I expect certain things from you earlier than others as I feel like I've noticed things earlier with you in past games. Comparing how I'm able to read others earlier in the game is a moot point when there's just not enough from them for me to go off of yet.
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Surprisingly calm for Stagg.
 
Santygrass said:
My point is mostly that seeing the trifecta of one slot that you didnt understand as top town + 2 considerations of yeet as top towns from a slot that you are townreading I'd expect your view of the game to be questioned or a bit of wavering?

But only asking about samac and then have to be prodded about it makes me feel that view of reads you have may not be genuine /?
Or at least have trouble seeing how it holds up?



But also I can agree with this on a soul level. genny usually is a slot that I have always have problems forming a read or seeing where they are at. This game Im quite surprised with how direct they've been with their thoughts, and Im taking it as a good thing
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I also really like Santys point here and the TR I have on him makes me itchy because it feels so wrong but what if so right
 
Zenge142 said:
This still just feels as though you’re saying you’re doing much in the way of solving slots.

Like if you’re saying you’re going to develop village reads, and then sheep them, then by the very nature of developing those village reads you’re ultimately going to have reads that are not village reads.

So to say, outside of your tunnel of me you’re going to just pick one of your village reads and sheep them, instead of having an idea of where you want to vote for reasons based on your own reading and interpretations of the game is concerning.
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Though haven’t you watched dubz and I do similar things in the past?
I know she’s sheeped me before and I’ve sheeped her d1.
 
moonstermash said:
Alright, I'll take it 🤣
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moonstermash said:
I mean, if you want more with regards to you, IIRC you pocketed me pretty hard in that 12/12, and you're not doing that here. But early on, I had a niggle you decided to pocket Santy instead, and would try to flip him tomorrow if we didn't get a scum today. (I think I agree with Gikkle that you're not w/w, though.) So, that's why I wanted to wait.

Even more than that, I was hoping if I ignored you, the wolves would do me a favor and resolve you N1. :wowee:
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So above was moon's reaction to me town reading them for disagreeing about some reads. Then their supposed pathos behind their treatment of me.

I don't understand the first reaction if they are on the lookout for me pocketing them as they say later on. I think this is something scum moon would make up to sound plausible in the face of my scrutiny but their carefree reaction to my earlier town read kind of makes the read feel very scuffed.

I don't have much experience with moon but I am having trouble squaring this as internally consistent. If anyone would like to give it a shot lmk
 
Spacecamp said:
(Copy-pasta from opening post because I know I'll forget someone otherwise)
Clem J - I only remember this person calling out DubZ (which took me a while to figure out was wildzoo) and reinforcing that read based on prior game history.
Santygrass- probably town based on vibes. I'll have a better handle on this person come day 2.
mkg323 - rvs posts felt very free-flowy. I could be biased since they called me towny or towny-looking or some other variation adjacent to that, but I'm not looking to yeet there today.
potentialsheltervet- I only remember this person have fewer than a dozen posts and I cannot for the life of me remember any of the content therein. I don't know if they ever posted after the RVS
moonstermash- I remember not liking them much in the rvs, liking them afterwards and having no recollection of why I had feelings either way. Currently thinking town because I haven't put additional thought into it.
samac- my top town, despite their protestations
holdthemayo - I can't remember but one post mayo made, but I liked it. I wouldn't hold onto that read if I don't see more, but I'm liking it for now.
Zenge142 - probably my biggest person to suspect, and it's not a lot behind it.
genny - null, but I feel like Genny is friendly and regardless of alignment is going to pocket me
WildZoo - I feel like I've seen "DubZ's" posts a lot, and I should have a firmer grasp on where they are, but I guess it feels kinda like treading water. This is the slot I would wager I need to spend the most time assessing.
Stagg737 - this is someone I find I will likely tunnel if I don't see something different from them. At first glance, their style like the type I will have trouble seeing as towny.
ShinichiMD - the difference between shinichi and someone like mayo is that shinichi just checked in and did/said nothing
Gikkle - maybe scum? There's a lot of world's I'm building around their flip, and that's probably unfair because there's only been 1 or 2 moments of "huh? This is scummy"
Achromatic - lean town due to general vibing, despite a hiccup here or there.
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Can you talk to me about Gikkle?
 
ShinichiMD said:
Page 3 is wack, it didn't really progress the game at all.

Also MKG spent almost that entire page barely providing any actual content after all those posts.
I can't tell if Samic read on MKG on page 3 is serious or not, because I feel like it shouldnt
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It is serious.
But she’s skirting towards mod kill so not worth my energy until she comes back.
The last couple times I’ve played with village mkg she has been very obvious to me pretty early. Didn’t get any of those vibes this time.

Unyeet mkg
Yeet stagg
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Space 41
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shinichi (1) - genny 25
Santy (1) - Stagg 14
Clem (1) - moon 37
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 74
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (3) - Santy 77, Achro 61, Gikkle 43

10/15
yeet close in ~4.5 hours
 
samac said:
Can you talk to me about Gikkle?
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I think my gikkle suspicion is latched in my head despite the fact that someone posted out my original reasoning was my mistake.

So at this point I've attributed something to gikkle that was said by another and I need to figure out my error.
 
ShinichiMD said:
Also does this site have an iso function?
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They got rid of the good one but the search in the top right corner you can change to this thread and put the user name in the “by” box.

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moonstermash said:
Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?
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posts like this kinda suck because its hard to gauge if your mafia who doesn't wanna risk throwing out the wrong thoughts or town that doesn't wanna give mafia any ideas.

Either way its a hard take to read.
 
moonstermash said:
I was hardly exaggerating; it was a lean scum on 2 posts, I'm not out here death tunneling or anything.

Comparing Santy's entrance to Zenges' (and Dubz' after), it just seemed a bit worse. Neither of them felt the need to immediately explain their (in)activity; Santy doing that at all felt overexplained, regardless of length. But I acknowledged while making the initial read that it could be NAI, so I didn't really walk anywhere to walk back from.
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Wait i assumed that lean scum was a joke, was it actually a serious read? Cause the posts prior to that I felt like didn't give enough to warrant any scum read unless there was some prior meta involved.
 
moonstermash said:
IDK, Shinichi (2) vs Clem (19) feels like a big difference to me. Shinichi just feels like pure rand (75% chance to be town), and even if he does flip scum, it doesn't tell us that much vs. anyone else.
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a scum flip is better regardless of the info it may provide. This is quite a weird explanation.

Also where does that percentile come from?
 
mkg323
moonstermash
Zenge142
WildZoo
ShinichiMD
Spacecamp

This is my vote pool (just my earlier PoE but I removed the people who are just inactive & effectively just rand imo)

I don't think these 6 have done anything I couldn't see wolves also doing

Spacecamp is prooobably the towniest of these 6? Not by a lot, but enough to make them not my first choice

If anyone has a good enough argument as to why any of these 6 shouldn't be my vote (or why someone should be added to the list) I'd like to hear it.

@Spacecamp what about Shinichi's posting makes you not want them to be the vote?

@moonstermash i'd like to hear from you in particular bc I know you have pretty different reads from me
 
Achromatic said:
Idk moon reads kind of frozen to me in regards to me. Asks for a day. I lay out a plan to vote. Instead of discussing stuff just says go ahead and when I do they say regrets

Kinda gonna need moon to start showing some process here
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after going back to iso moon I can kinda see it, it doesn't seem like there is some clear direction I can follow regarding their reads.
 
Achromatic said:
Why?
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What about zenge makes them scummy, because currently it seems like you don't really care to hear arguments for the slot being town. Though tbf I don't like zenge post about you not listening to others town reads of them.

Sounds like scum crying wolf tbh
 
Gikkle said:
mkg323
moonstermash
Zenge142
WildZoo
ShinichiMD
Spacecamp

This is my vote pool (just my earlier PoE but I removed the people who are just inactive & effectively just rand imo)

I don't think these 6 have done anything I couldn't see wolves also doing

Spacecamp is prooobably the towniest of these 6? Not by a lot, but enough to make them not my first choice

If anyone has a good enough argument as to why any of these 6 shouldn't be my vote (or why someone should be added to the list) I'd like to hear it.

@Spacecamp what about Shinichi's posting makes you not want them to be the vote?

@moonstermash i'd like to hear from you in particular bc I know you have pretty different reads from me
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I was not inclined to vote for a 2-poster, but by the time shinichi had returned to make a few more posts, I could see some level of towniness and inquisition that made me firmly say "not today."

I even quoted what post I liked, but I don't remember which one and since I've been spoiled by other sites' ISO functions, I am going to be lazy and not look for it right now.
 
Spacecamp said:
I was not inclined to vote for a 2-poster, but by the time shinichi had returned to make a few more posts, I could see some level of towniness and inquisition that made me firmly say "not today."

I even quoted what post I liked, but I don't remember which one and since I've been spoiled by other sites' ISO functions, I am going to be lazy and not look for it right now.
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For the record, I did *not* quote the post I liked.
 
ShinichiMD said:
Wait i assumed that lean scum was a joke, was it actually a serious read? Cause the posts prior to that I felt like didn't give enough to warrant any scum read unless there was some prior meta involved.
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What made you think it was a joke? It was just a tiny ping off his entrance. I've mostly played turbos on MU for the past few months, and entrance reads are part of that.
 
People I would not vote for today (unordered/untiered)
Samac
Shinichi
Achro

People I would like to vote for today (also unordered/untiered)
Zenge
Moon (I find myself mostly agreeing with others, so this is a coward's choice)
Clem (very meh both on first pass and reread)
 
ShinichiMD said:
a scum flip is better regardless of the info it may provide. This is quite a weird explanation.

Also where does that percentile come from?
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Well of course a scum flip is better, but since everyone else was playing more than you were, it seemed like looking for scum in you was a bit of a cop out, TBH. (Also, I don't want to run afoul of the rules, but let's just say there are other considerations.)

And the percentile was supposed to be odds any of us randed town, but I realized that's actually 80% (12/15), so whoops.
 
Spacecamp said:
People I would not vote for today (unordered/untiered)
Samac
Shinichi
Achro

People I would like to vote for today (also unordered/untiered)
Zenge
Moon (I find myself mostly agreeing with others, so this is a coward's choice)
Clem (very meh both on first pass and reread)
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It feels weird to post this and not have any opinion one way or the other about either Santy or Stagg
 
Spacecamp said:
Basically those two showed me that you were not afraid to disagree and make an opinion known.

I usually expect wolves to try and lay low and blend in.
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Oh well tbf I don't care how people view me, I just say what comes to mind whether it be smart or stupid
 
moonstermash said:
Well of course a scum flip is better, but since everyone else was playing more than you were, it seemed like looking for scum in you was a bit of a cop out, TBH. (Also, I don't want to run afoul of the rules, but let's just say there are other considerations.)

And the percentile was supposed to be odds any of us randed town, but I realized that's actually 80% (12/15), so whoops.
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I agree its a come out but it will happen regardless, each person has their own view of inactive and how it relates to someones alignment. I normally avoid inactive yeets unless they said something really telling prior to the inactivity.
 
Spacecamp said:
Also, I had thought I made my opinion on stagg clear; with one exception, every single mention of him has been negative.
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Yeah it was just weird to see a list like that and not have any mention of either one of them
 
Vote: Zenge

Not sure I understand the ### stuff, but anyways I both wanna provide some pressure to this slot and outlined on my recent posts regarding the slot I am learning more towards them being red.
 
ShinichiMD said:
Vote: Zenge

Not sure I understand the ### stuff, but anyways I both wanna provide some pressure to this slot and outlined on my recent posts regarding the slot I am learning more towards them being red.
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What pressure exactly are you hoping to apply here?

I’ve been up front with all of my reads.

You’ve yet to engage with me in any meaningful way.

Voting me to
ShinichiMD said:
pressure to this slot
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Doesn’t make any kind of sense, given my thread activity and your lack of engagement with my slot
 
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