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I need a really high MCAT score, but although I did insanely well on my most recent MCAT practice leading into the test it was inflated because i took that test before.

So any 33 mcat practice exam average that scored like a 42 on the real thing or just simply people who got 5+ points higher from there practice exams?
 
If you got a 33, you will likely receive a 31-35. The practice exams (AAMC officials) are quite accurate. I've never met a person who got even 3 points higher than their AAMC average if they had taken all of the AAMCs and excluded test 3.
 
Welllll I went from a 30 my first time taking it to a 38 my second time, though the first time I wasn't really trying too too hard (though I was still trying) and the second time was after a Kaplan MCAT class. My practice tests before the 38 were averaging like 35.
 
Jumping 9 points from your practice scores to a 42 would be pretty insane! Barring test anxiety or other issues, I think the average is usually +/- a few points from your practice scores. 5+ point jump would be pretty tough, but it's probably happened before
 
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Welllll I went from a 30 my first time taking it to a 38 my second time, though the first time I wasn't really trying too too hard (though I was still trying) and the second time was after a Kaplan MCAT class. My practice tests before the 38 were averaging like 35.


What kind of Kaplan prep course did you take?
 
I don't know if it's that unbelievable a friend of mine never broke a 24 on a practice exam but got a 29 on the real thing. ( he's a known lier though....)
 
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I have a friend who only took one practice test, AAMC 3, because it was free and he scored a 40+. When he took the real test, he actually scored higher...
 
I don't know if it's that unbelievable a friend of mine never broke a 24 on a practice exam but got a 29 on the real thing. ( he's a known lier though....)

Not all points are created equal. Going from a 30 to a 32 is more impressive than going from a 24 to a 28.
 
I have a friend who only took one practice test, AAMC 3, because it was free and he scored a 40+. When he took the real test, he actually scored higher...
That's just pure injustice.

Under most circumstances, though, I don't think anyone should depend on the possibility of test-day miracles. Just study harder.
 
In my experience, your AAMC average is astonishingly accurate in its predictive value.

I scored a 31-34 (average 32-33) on all the AAMC exams, and I got a 33 on the real deal. Right on the bull's eye!
 
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Based upon numerous posts here, if anything, people do better on practice test by about 5-10 points than the real thing.

A really high MCAT isn't going to erase the baggage you're carrying, alas.

I'm not a fan of magic thinking. Good prep, yes.

I need a really high MCAT score, but although I did insanely well on my most recent MCAT practice leading into the test it was inflated because i took that test before.

So any 33 mcat practice exam average that scored like a 42 on the real thing or just simply people who got 5+ points higher from there practice exams?
 
No miracles anybody?
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No miracles anybody?

I got a 25 on my first MCAT and got a 34 eight months later. I wouldn't say it was a miracle though... I was "taking" a Kaplan prep course the first time (watching the lectures, not much else) because I naively assumed it'd be like the ACT.

Thankfully, reality gave me a cold slap to the face and I found the sn2ed plan via Google. I was averaging 30ish before test day and hadn't scored any higher than 31 before my 2nd test day. I think the MCAT gods sent a little luck my way and I got test a test that played to my strengths.

Theoretically, you could increase your score by 9 points, but statistically, you'll go up or down by 2 points. From my experience, I think the drastic increase actually kind of hurts my application by showing a lack of maturity. A drastic score improvement won't hide glaring issues in your app.
 
I need a really high MCAT score, but although I did insanely well on my most recent MCAT practice leading into the test it was inflated because i took that test before.

So any 33 mcat practice exam average that scored like a 42 on the real thing or just simply people who got 5+ points higher from there practice exams?

I would strongly advise against putting much stock into practice tests taken for the second time. Even if you believe you forgot all the test material in the time between taking the test you still have some level of familiarity that you would not have on real test day. I say this from experience of a friend doing this same strategy before his second MCAT attempt. His practice test average the second time around was great. His actual score was the same as the first.

One method I found to be fairly accurate to gauge your possible score range is to take the best and worst combinations of your subset scores among all your practice tests. That range will give a good idea of your best and worst performance scores. For your case you would need at least 12-15's in each subsection at least once to fit this measure. Just keep in mind that you would likely fall somewhere in the middle of that score range.
 
even with a 42 you're not getting into med school

plus I thought you were donezo with medicine
 
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I'd say you're definitely in striking range for that 42. Once you get 35+ it's really just a handful of questions away from the 40s. Anything is possible!



You do realize that unrealistic (and in this case, blatantly false) optimism can be dangerous, right?
 
I got a 39, I did 6 points higher than my average and 3 points higher than my highest practice exam score. It was a total fluke. I could never recreate that. I wouldn't bank on doing better than your average. If you can get consistent low-mid 30s then you are in striking range of higher 30s but a lot is dependent on how focused and careful you are on test day.
 
Then achieve a level of knowledge and reasoning prowess equivalent to that of 40+ scorers. Then again, that's a little more difficult than wishing for the miracle you want.

This. Read this guy's 30+ post, as well as his thoughts immediately after he took his exam. You'll see the consistency and confidence that being at that level requires.

Any given MCAT will always have a large element of chance. The exam covers a year of four subjects and condenses it to 14 passages and like 20 discretes. You'll see an average of maybe 4 topics in each of those four massive subjects. You can luck out if you see your strengths on your exam or not if you don't.

The user I quoted above eliminated that chance factor and was thorough.

@gettheleadout, I have a couple of questions about what you did. I sent you a PM (conversation, I assume they are the same thing?) I hope it hasn't drowned in your inbox.
 
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OP, with your AAMC average, you can realistically aim for a 35-36. But it is more likely that you'll score around a 33. Good luck!

And btw, don't blow off the exam like you did last time.
 
Our own TonyTonyChopper did a bunch of statistics on this for SDNers. He found that, on average, people score +/- 1.88 points higher or lower than their AAMC practice exam average. There are a few 6+ point drops and a few 6+ point gains, but these are very rare, - maybe 1 out of 50 applicants.
 
Our own TonyTonyChopper did a bunch of statistics on this for SDNers. He found that, on average, people score +/- 1.88 points higher or lower than their AAMC practice exam average. There are a few 6+ point drops and a few 6+ point gains, but these are very rare, - maybe 1 out of 50 applicants.

Yes, 55 people out of the sample population gave me both their AAMC average and actual MCAT score. Out of those 55, we had a range of -4 to +5.8 difference from their AAMC average. Three people scored -4, two people +4, one -5, one +5, and one +5.8. Though be verrrry cautious interpreting these numbers due to the self-reporting bias. These observations are probably only externally valid for individuals who actively participate and post in the SDN community. Not the lurkers. As you can see:

The average MCAT score for 71 people was 32.1 (stdev 4.5) for us, SDNers

And I forget how many, but there was a small group of people who were actively participating in the thread, but once the scores came out, they dissappeared and others explicitely stated that their scores were low to post (by their standards...I suspect some were like a 30, but they were expecting a 35+...).

I would still say it's quite rare for someone to score >= 6 points, especially 10 points (lower or higher), from their AAMC average - contingent on they did the practice tests the way they were supposed to be taken. If you retake a practice exam or don't take them like a real exam (like my friend who got up to do something else between every verbal passage), then expect a lower score.

On average, people scored +/- 1.88 points from their AAMC average with a standard deviation of 1.45.
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Full blown, 100% blessed by Allah and Jesus, miracle here. Story time:

Studied hard for a few months with a consistent study schedule through Kaplan. Took 10ish practice tests to ensure my timing and consistency were down while simulating testing conditions. I knew I only had one shot at this beast before applications.

And would you believe it!?! I hit exactly my average.

MKitty miracle folks. Praise be the Lord.
 
I wouldn't necessarily assume that the people who stopped posting completely screwed up on test day and were too embarrassed to post their massive drop from their AAMC practice exam average. I can easily see someone thinking "I'm happy with my score, I'm never visiting the MCAT forum or picking up a review book again!"
 
I'd say you're definitely in striking range for that 42. Once you get 35+ it's really just a handful of questions away from the 40s. Anything is possible!



I have not got a 35. Highest i have gotten is a 33 on 2-3 practice tests (can't remember if it is 2 or 3)

It is true that if you do get 35s, you are in the range to score at or above it and into the 40 barrier because it only comes down to a few question differential at that stage. This is the top .0002 percent of test takers I am talking about
 
I wouldn't necessarily assume that the people who stopped posting completely screwed up on test day and were too embarrassed to post their massive drop from their AAMC practice exam average. I can easily see someone thinking "I'm happy with my score, I'm never visiting the MCAT forum or picking up a review book again!"

True. But I'm accounting for the ones I had conversations with and got to know. Then not a word after. And I'm accounting for the ones who explicitly posted that they scored low.

I'm just putting that out there for the critics who talk about the skew of people who did poorly don't post and people who do really well post all the time. It would take quite a few to warrant a large change in the data. I actively made note of those who disappeared and those who felt uncomfortable to post their scores to answer any critics comments about any skew. But as you can see, the shape of the distribution is pretty normal, centered around 32. The mean, median, and mode are 32 too (I'm not a statistics wiz, but I'm sure there's a test that shows how normal your distribution is). I also made a comment before that we tend to conveniently remember those posts with 38+ and think that's representative of SDN and forget about the 28- posts. Many probably expect average SND users to have insane scores (like the 40s we see all the time), but it is a little more modest. Although 32 is pretty good and only 12.8% of all test takers score higher.
 
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I hope to harness your power when I take the MCAT.
Hahaha I literally almost cried after the ps section (my highest score) and I seriously considered canceling my score. I did cry when I left. Clearly I'm a horrible predictor of my test day performance.
 
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