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[onstar]

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when competing for a residency, is it true that MD schools get the first hack, then overseas Med school, then DO?


where can i dig up more info on this?

 

[dr.z]

DOs will get picked before overseas med school.

 

[flux=rad]

http://www.nrmp.org/2006advdata.pdf

 

[onstar]

are there any primary care docs working in a hospital setting

 

[dr.z]

are there any primary care docs working in a hospital setting

😱

 

[Dr Trek 1]

Yes, both DOs and MDs can work in a any hospital setting. Both DOs and MDs can also work in any private practice setting.

 

[onstar]

i thought primary care docs worked at private clinics.

 

[Nate]

when competing for a residency, is it true that MD schools get the first hack, then overseas Med school, then DO?


where can i dig up more info on this?

Untrue
Read the FAQ

 

[Dr Trek 1]

i thought primary care docs worked at private clinics.

They mostly do, but they can also work in a variety of other settings. DOs typically practice primary care, however they can practice any specialty they wish.

 

[onstar]

Untrue
Read the FAQ

read the FAQ but couldnt find it

 

[Nate]

Look, your statement is a gross generalization on a very complicated subject. First of all there are many different specialties, each with their own amount of bias and competitiveness; on top of that there are different residency directors and institutions with different histories and perceptions of not only DOs, but other MD schools and of FMGs; on top of that each candidate is an individual with individual achievements, personal qualities, work ethic, and experience; on top of that DOs have their own U.S. residency programs, some of which are worse than MD programs and others that are better; on top of that, DOs are trained in the U.S alongside MDs and any bias or unfounded perception that PDs may have held are vanishing, out with the old and in with the new; we can thank those who have gone before us and shown their stuff for that. So you see that it is very complicated.

Now, the only true light I can shed on this subject is that many times, students from the school affiliated with the particular residency program do have first hack at those positions, all other qualifications similar. For instance, students here at UMDNJ have a great shot at our own residency programs simply because the residency directors know the quality of training we get, have 4 years to get to know us, and have seen our work over long periods of time. The same is probably true for most residency programs through out the country, MD or DO.

When you read the FAQ read the discussion about FMGs vs. DOs and the discussion about MDs vs. DO and there you will see that there simply is no answer to your question other than, untrue.

 

[OSUdoc08]

when competing for a residency, is it true that MD schools get the first hack, then overseas Med school, then DO?


where can i dig up more info on this?

No, MD's and DO's are considered equal for most specialties. There are some programs that give the edge to domestic MD's, but foreign medical graduates are always considered last.

Keep in mind that DO's have their own residencies as well to make up for this.

 

[OSUdoc08]

are there any primary care docs working in a hospital setting

Family Practice, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and sometimes OB/GYN and Emergency Medicine are considered primary care.

ALL of these specialties work in a hospital setting.

 

[wook]

when competing for a residency, is it true that MD schools get the first hack, then overseas Med school, then DO?


where can i dig up more info on this?

This is specialty dependent. Additionally, each program within each specialty is unique. If you work hard (ie good board scores, good LOR, decent grades-especially 3rd & 4th year), you'll do find come match time.

With that being said, there are some specialties that tend not to be DO friendly or IMG friendly. You should be able to do a search on this as it has been discussed in significant detail in the past.

Good luck!

Wook

 

[Shodddy18]

Family Practice, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and sometimes OB/GYN and Emergency Medicine are considered primary care.

ALL of these specialties work in a hospital setting.

Where is EM considered primary care? Granted 90% of what they do is primary care for those w/o a pcp, but are there any states that consider it primary care. They dont conisder EM primary care in Maine... thus not eligible for loan reimbursment.

 

[wook]

Where is EM considered primary care? Granted 90% of what they do is primary care for those w/o a pcp, but are there any states that consider it primary care. They dont conisder EM primary care in Maine... thus not eligible for loan reimbursment.

Shoddy:

Too true! When I was a pre-med and MSI I checked all around in ME looking to see if there were student loan re-payment programs recognizing EM as a primary care specialty. I even looked to see if the NHSC scholarship would recognize EM as a primary care specialty, but alas no.

However, I think there have been several posts from folks out in the midwest (Oklahoma or Kansas) who stated that their State recognized EM as a primary care specialty and had incentives (ie loan repayment) if you worked in an "underserved area" in the state.

Wook

 

[CatsandCradles]

when competing for a residency, is it true that MD schools get the first hack, then overseas Med school, then DO?


where can i dig up more info on this?

Hi onstar!

I'm not sure why you are thinking that DOs are not able to compete for residency. Can you please tell us where you are getting that information from?

When I open up my phone book and look under "physicians," I l see DOs in many different specialties. In my town, we have several DOs doing ENT, Opthalmalogy (sp), General surgery, and of course gas doctors (Anesthesia).

Are there any primary care docs working in a hospital setting

Primary care physicians are people like OB/Gyns, Pediatrics, General Practioners, Internal Medicine, and some people claim ER also.

All these specialties work in the hospital setting.


Welcome to SDN 🙂

 

[OSUdoc08]

Where is EM considered primary care? Granted 90% of what they do is primary care for those w/o a pcp, but are there any states that consider it primary care. They dont conisder EM primary care in Maine... thus not eligible for loan reimbursment.

Oklahoma.

 

[bridgeful]

Just wanted to speak up here. My mom is chief of staff and an MD at her hospital here in Southern California. She was also head of the committee here where they interview ALL doctors who will have priviledges in the hospital so she has seen resumes and CVs from numerous MDs and DOs and reviewed their histories from undergrad to present. DOs can practice ANY specialty that an MD can. We have DOs who are Orthopedic Surgeons and Dermatologists of which the residencies are some of the most competitive and who may I add are having thriving private and group practices, in some cases making more money than their MD counterparts. The only thing DOs need to do is be good at what they do. You get a good residency if you perform well in school and score highly on the boards, the same things an MD would need to do. Anyway thats my two cents.

 

[NittanyLion302]

http://www.nrmp.org/2006advdata.pdf

"us seniors" includes DOs, right?

 

[flux=rad]

"us seniors" includes DOs, right?

See Table 2. US Seniors are graduates of allopathic schools. DOs are independent applicants along with IMGs, physicians switching residency, etc.

 

[med-i-cal]

I want to go NS. The last I checked AOA NS didn't have the fellowship opportunities that ACGME has, so I have to go ACGME. It's just hard to break into that "Good ol' Boys Club" as a DO.
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It'll just make it all the more sweet when I succeed! 😉 🙂

 

[OSUdoc08]

I want to go NS. The last I checked AOA NS didn't have the fellowship opportunities that ACGME has, so I have to go ACGME. It's just hard to break into that "Good ol' Boys Club" as a DO.
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It'll just make it all the more sweet when I succeed! 😉 🙂

The AOA has Neurosurgical fellowships, and they are opening up a new one in Washington State when the school opens up there. As a DO you can apply for ACGME fellowships as well.

 

[med-i-cal]

I can apply for ACGME fellowship, but only if I do an ACGME residency...

 

[OSUdoc08]

I can apply for ACGME fellowship, but only if I do an ACGME residency...

INCORRECT.

You can apply for an ACMGE neurosurgical fellowship after an AOA general surgery residency.

 

[med-i-cal]

Very interesting...where did you get this information? I guess I need to catch up.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Very interesting...where did you get this information? I guess I need to catch up.

It has been discussed on SDN ad nauseum. Do a search.

 

[wook]

INCORRECT.

You can apply for an ACMGE neurosurgical fellowship after an AOA general surgery residency.

Applying for it and getting it may run differently with this subspecialty.


Wook

 

[OSUdoc08]

Applying for it and getting it may run differently with this subspecialty.


Wook

Yup. Fortunately, you can affect your chances with excellent board scores, great recommendations, and a killer audition rotation.

 

[beastmaster]

Few months ago, surgery club at our school, had a guest speaker who is chief neuro resident at our DO program. Next year is going to one of the top spine fellowships in the country. He also told a cool story about how, after receiving an interview he got several phone calls from the place saying they didn't take DOs. Each call, he insisted that he would go anyway, telling himself that at worst it would be a practice for other fellowship interviews. Even during the interview they apologized saying they wouldn't take DOs. Few days after the interview, he got the position.

 

[strawberryfield]

Just wanted to speak up here. My mom is chief of staff and an MD at her hospital here in Southern California. She was also head of the committee here where they interview ALL doctors who will have priviledges in the hospital so she has seen resumes and CVs from numerous MDs and DOs and reviewed their histories from undergrad to present. DOs can practice ANY specialty that an MD can. We have DOs who are Orthopedic Surgeons and Dermatologists of which the residencies are some of the most competitive and who may I add are having thriving private and group practices, in some cases making more money than their MD counterparts. The only thing DOs need to do is be good at what they do. You get a good residency if you perform well in school and score highly on the boards, the same things an MD would need to do. Anyway thats my two cents.

well put 😀

 

[Creightonite]

What is PGY-1 residency? I assume it is better thatn PGY-2? 🙂
so the conlusion from the webstite that only 67% DO get their PGY-1 matching fullfilled vs. 93% as an MD which would mean that being a DO is still against you when applying to competetive residencies. Is it true?

 

[OSUdoc08]

What is PGY-1 residency? I assume it is better thatn PGY-2? 🙂
so the conlusion from the webstite that only 67% DO get their PGY-1 matching fullfilled vs. 93% as an MD which would mean that being a DO is still against you when applying to competetive residencies. Is it true?

The number signifies what year of a resident you are.

PGY-1 = First year resident (aka "intern")
PGY-2 = Second year resident

The match rate is misleading. DO's have their own residency programs, not represented in that statistic.

 

[Creightonite]

The match rate is misleading. DO's have their own residency programs, not represented in that statistic.

Do you have a list of these somewhere? I just wanted to see what specialities are included? I am interested in competetive residencies such as neuro-, cardio-, and optho-

 

[wook]

Do you have a list of these somewhere? I just wanted to see what specialities are included? I am interested in competetive residencies such as neuro-, cardio-, and optho-

May want to check here...http://opportunities.aoa-net.org/search/search.cfm?searchType=1&CFID=857207&CFTOKEN=24863304 for a list of AOA opportunities (resident and internship). For just the residencies you may want to check here...http://opportunities.aoa-net.org/search/search.cfm.


Wook

 

[wook]

Do you have a list of these somewhere? I just wanted to see what specialities are included? I am interested in competetive residencies such as neuro-, cardio-, and optho-

The list of AOA match statistics is buried on this page...http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/ but it has generic info (ie no information on the fellowships).


Wook

 

[Dr Trek 1]

I know it has been said that PGY 1 is residency but I just wanted to add that it stands for "post graduate year."

 

[OSUdoc08]

Do you have a list of these somewhere? I just wanted to see what specialities are included? I am interested in competetive residencies such as neuro-, cardio-, and optho-

You can apply to AOA (DO) and ACGME (MD) residencies in these areas.

The DO acceptance rate to the ACGME (MD) residencies may be in the mid 60th percentile, but the acceptance rate to the AOA (DO) residencies are in the mid 90th percentile.

 

[GatorsWearJorts]

You can apply to AOA (DO) and ACGME (MD) residencies in these areas.

The DO acceptance rate to the ACGME (MD) residencies may be in the mid 60th percentile, but the acceptance rate to the AOA (DO) residencies are in the mid 90th percentile.

Percentile?
I think that word is used a little out of context here.
Sorry, just being anal.

 

[MJB]

Kansas considers EM a primary care position, I believe.