MD in Ross or DO in US?

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I can't believe you resurrected this old and crazy thread!! :annoyed:
I also can't believe I am drawn to it's seductive forces... :poke:

There is no question that US DO medical school is hands down better for a U.S. citizen than any foreign medical school, including the Caribbean!

But, for those unfortunate aspiring doctors who messed up big-time in their undergrad (so big that they can't get into any DO school) and are okay with a butt-load of debt and an uphill battle to match into a US residency, the Caribbean may be the only option available. More power to them if they can prove themselves.

May the odds forever be in their favor...

Another Caribbean-ralated thread! Are Caribbean schools more expensive than DO schools in Chicago and NYC?
 
Another Caribbean-ralated thread! Are Caribbean schools more expensive than DO schools in Chicago and NYC?

CCOM is one of the most expensive schools in the country, MD or DO. Touro NY is about $43k (about $12k less than CCOM) and is about average for a private medical school. I believe NYIT was around $50k last time I looked last year.

I know absolutely nothing about Caribbean schools but found this link:

http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/tuition.htm

A couple hundred thousand dollars in loans as an IMG hurts pretty bad if you can't match.
 
In the upcoming years there are going to more and more US MD/DO grads and a stagnant number of residency spots. These spots are going to go to US trained docs first, so being a Caribbean graduate is a handicap. Personally I would not want to risk having a buttload of debt with no way to pay it off.
 
Personally I would not want to risk having a buttload of debt with no way to pay it off.

You just have ladyballs. If you really wanted to become a physician, you would embrace the risk and make it work. Just realize that ~half your class will fail horribly, then decide to not be in that half. Once May rolls around, if I still don't have an acceptance, I'll go there and kick ass
 
You just have ladyballs. If you really wanted to become a physician, you would embrace the risk and make it work. Just realize that ~half your class will fail horribly, then decide to not be in that half. Once May rolls around, if I still don't have an acceptance, I'll go there and kick ass

You don't know bout my ladyballs
 
You just have ladyballs. If you really wanted to become a physician, you would embrace the risk and make it work. Just realize that ~half your class will fail horribly, then decide to not be in that half. Once May rolls around, if I still don't have an acceptance, I'll go there and kick ass

And this beats sitting out for a year and having a 95% chance of making it in? Let's be frank here, 50% of the class did not come in with the mind set that they'd do minimal work or not rock it.
 
You just have ladyballs. If you really wanted to become a physician, you would embrace the risk and make it work. Just realize that ~half your class will fail horribly, then decide to not be in that half. Once May rolls around, if I still don't have an acceptance, I'll go there and kick ass

You realize every single person at these schools "decides" that they won't be in that half...?
 
I hear some caribbean medical students get to study with flashlights when the power goes out...how does that not sound appealing?
 
I hear some caribbean medical students get to study with flashlights when the power goes out...how does that not sound appealing?

I'm honestly amazed that tuition is so low at those schools. After getting down with these DO school numbers, that sounds pretty nice.

But I guess they have to keep tuition low if milk costs like $8 a gallon. Taking interest into account, that's some expensive milk.
 
If its a US citizen, then purely for the MD title and nothing more even though it isn't truly an MD rather an MBBS...

The majority of the Caribbean schools confer an "MD" degree. For countries without major medical education systems in place (and even in countries with such systems) the schools can confer the degree they wish, provided its recognized. Since these schools primarily target US students, they chose to confer the MD degree, which makes sense. It should be known though that MD degrees were not created equal, and an MD degree from the US, which is accepted virtually everywhere internationally, is very different from a Carib MD, which is simply not recognized in many countries. In any case, an MBBS is identical to an MD degree just as they are both identical to an MBChB, BMBS, etc.

Up until recently, Canadians were better off going to say a school like Saba where they could get federal loans and pay a little over $100k for the entire tuition there. Now the AOA and COA has done a lot in Canada to make the DO degree easier to transition, which is bringing more Canadians to bordering US DO schools like MSUCOM.

Also in terms of going God knows where for rotations, a lot of DO students have to do that too. If we are talking about the Carib schools outside of the big4 + AUA, I don't even know how they get rotations.

I'm honestly amazed that tuition is so low at those schools. After getting down with these DO school numbers, that sounds pretty nice.

But I guess they have to keep tuition low if milk costs like $8 a gallon. Taking interest into account, that's some expensive milk.

Tuition is only really low at the less accredited schools, because they aren't eligible for federal loans. There's something like 40-50 Carib MD schools. One guy I know is at one I've barely heard of and is paying $6k a semester, but he also won't be able to practice in 13 states when he comes back (he's in rotations now).

As of right now, of the 5 Carib MD schools that actually are accredited across all 50 states, I believe only Ross, AUC, and SGU are eligible for federal loans. Otherwise people are either paying out of pocket or paying with private loans with variable rates. Ross and AUC cost a bit more tuition-wise than the DO school I attend and SGU costs double ($30k per term, so $60k per year).

As is obvious, DO is the way to go if you have the choice. That was the case even in 2008, and its even more so now given the residency and legal climate.
 
The majority of the Caribbean schools confer an "MD" degree. For countries without major medical education systems in place (and even in countries with such systems) the schools can confer the degree they wish, provided its recognized. In any case, an MBBS is identical to an MD degree just as they are both identical to an MBChB, BMBS, etc.

Up until recently, Canadians were better off going to say a school like Saba where they could get federal loans and pay a little over $100k for the entire tuition there. Now the AOA and COA has done a lot in Canada to make the DO degree easier to transition, which is bringing more Canadians to bordering US DO schools like MSUCOM.

Also in terms of going God knows where for rotations, a lot of DO students have to do that too. If we are talking about the Carib schools outside of the big4 + AUA, I don't even know how they get rotations.

I said US grads, I know for Canadians going to the Carrib is a better idea (or was). That is the unfortunate effect of having a low number of medical schools in your country. For US citizens, there is no reason to go to Caribbean unless your GPA is beyond repairable (like hovering around ~2.0 or possibly below after 4 years of college).

As for the rotations part, that is unfortunate and one of the reasons why I would steer clear of newer DO schools or satellite campuses, especially ones that continue to expand.
 
Reading some of the stories of the people in the article is so sad. Comments aside, it seems like most have chosen it as a last resort. Life really ain't fair.
 
I said US grads, I know for Canadians going to the Carrib is a better idea (or was). That is the unfortunate effect of having a low number of medical schools in your country. For US citizens, there is no reason to go to Caribbean unless your GPA is beyond repairable (like hovering around ~2.0 or possibly below after 4 years of college).

As for the rotations part, that is unfortunate and one of the reasons why I would steer clear of newer DO schools or satellite campuses, especially ones that continue to expand.

Its not only at new schools/satellite campuses. Even established DO schools have some hit or miss rotation sites, and many DO schools in general have you traveling all over the place for rotations. That said, if you are proactive and lucky (for those with lotteries) this can be meaningless, or at least thats what the 3rd & 4th years tell me.
 
Yeah I thought it was an interesting article..the comment section reminds me of an MD vs DO argument ...I think its so funny how someone said they chose Caribbean over DO schools because they wanted the MD label ..how can someone who wants to be a doctor care so much about a label..it kinda shows what their priorities really are

I do not see it the same, the MD vs DO argument is for LCME MD schools vs COCA DO schools. There is a huge difference between going to an MD school in North America versus an MD school in a foreign country, particularly those in the Caribbean.
 
people go caribbean for the same variety of reasons they go DO. I know one guy who had a 35 MCAT and a 3.8 GPA with a freakin' ton of experience, nice, well spoken --- but his wife said the only way she'd move for him to go to med school was if he went to the caribbean. So that's where they went.

Another guy - 18 MCAT, 2.4 GPA. Went caribbean because that's the only place he could get in.

If I had a wife and she was like that. I would laugh and ignore her wishes... I really hope that guy didn't end up going to the carribbean. There are midtier MD schools that would love to accept numbers like that.
 
Personally, I went DO because of the focus on IM and family practice. While the MCAT and GPA are good admission tools they do not indicate anything about success as a student in medical school. I have numerous friends who got into MD schools in the south who took the same classes as me and had equal or lower grades. I just had a guy tell me that he was applying to a mexican medical school over DO because of the status of MD's. I gave him an earful to say the least. I've worked with DO's at hospitals (in the south mind you) and they are the best doctors at the hospital. They were better respected than MD doctors by staff, patients, and administrators.

Before giving him advice, I would be laughing for a good 2-3 minutes.
 
He probably meant Guadalajara, which accepts applicants without a college degree. It has an interesting reputation:

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...ical-schools-licensing-boards-dr-jordan-cohen

A handful of medical schools in the United States and abroad graduate troubled doctors at about 10 times the rate of the best schools, an eight-month Hartford Courant investigation found.

Four medical schools -- the Autonomous University of Guadalajara in Mexico, Howard University in Washington, Manila Central University in the Philippines and Meharry Medical College in Nashville, Tenn. -- ranked at the bottom in separate analyses of three databases containing records of disciplinary actions against thousands of physicians across the United States.
 
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