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same situation here. got into SGU and NYCOM. I don't know what to do...
Do you mind having the letters D.O. after your name? If yes, then don't do it. If not, then go D.O.
same situation here. got into SGU and NYCOM. I don't know what to do...
Is SGU a better option in Caribbean schools than Ross? Please correct me if I am wrong but at the end doesn't it all come down to how you do at USMLE I, II, III that really determines how you do at your residency matches? I think the whole issue about us/foreign is really about what kind of scores you have. And most of you would probably agree that the students who go to Caribbean (except a few who probably went due to some special circumstances) are not exactly the cream of the crop.
Anyone agree/disagree?
SGU has an attrition rate comparable to MD and DO schools, maybe slightly higher. Ross has a much larger attrition rate.I've heard people who come from SGU are amazing doc's. It's the only reputable caribbean school. IN saying that, it's because all of the caribbean schools want you to fail so you repeat years, if you graduate SGU, you're cream of the crop.
Do you mind having the letters D.O. after your name? If yes, then don't do it. If not, then go D.O.
Lokhtar, you're worrying about the stupid letters waaaay tooo much, buddy. Here's the guy who's got'em all.........
http://www.worldhealth.net/p/141.html
Many foreign MDs went through NYCOM's emigre' physisian program. It didn't bother them a bit that now they would have to be some "lowly D.O" and not such a "glamourous M.D"... lol. Get your D.O in the States, and your M.D as an "appendage" from any banana republic of your choice, to feeeeeeeel beeeeeetttttter.
Dude, get real...lol
SGU is definitely better, more established than TOUROCOM. In addition, the studying environment of SGU is so much better than the former one.
Eh? I am applying to both DO and MD schools when its my turn. Some people care though, and if they don't want to live with that, they shouldn't or they'll be unhappy forever.
it is the one at Harlem.
the location is really bad, and the regional hospital is shabby
when u say location is great, you mean the area with the highest crime rate and the extremely untidy streets?
when u say location is great, you mean the area with the highest crime rate and the extremely untidy streets?
O.K, fair enough, but my point is that many of these ppl who think they will be "unhappy forever" simply don't even know what their talking about.
However, graduating with a foreign MD could indded make somebody very unhappy for the rest of their lives, especially if the bar was set too high, and the FMG/IMG reality is different.
I don't know if you've even oppened the link I've provided. But please look at it again. Graduating with D.O degree does not preclude you in any shape or form from gettig an MD, esp a foreign one. There are many, many ppl, at least in NY where I am who list themselves as ....Joe Blow, D.O, M.D or "M.D, D.O". Most of these folks have been doctors (M.Ds) elsewhere long before they came to the States. But they quickly realized the value of being an American medical graduate (even though it meant being a D.O). They've watched their FMG buddies struggling in getting residencies, not getting what they wanted etc. So many of these doctors went essentially though another medical (D.O) school, and those that I know have no regrets whatsoever.
people go caribbean for the same variety of reasons they go DO. I know one guy who had a 35 MCAT and a 3.8 GPA with a freakin' ton of experience, nice, well spoken --- but his wife said the only way she'd move for him to go to med school was if he went to the caribbean. So that's where they went.
Another guy - 18 MCAT, 2.4 GPA. Went caribbean because that's the only place he could get in.
I think TexasTriathelete graduated with lower. He'll be starting PCOM-GA next fall I think. Though his story is an exception obviously, and not the rule.Honestly a 2.4 GPA is ridiculous. I've seen plenty get that sort of GPA first year and maybe second, but to graduate with that? Have to really question if they really wanted to be a doctor on that one...
Can't judge the 18 MCAT. Got a 32 on mine, but I started at a 21 before Kaplan
my pcp is one of those "md,do" former physicians from russia and he pwns face.
Hey guys.. I've been accepted to a Ross and today I came to know that I"ve been accepted in a DO school too. I haven't heard from any MD schools from US as of now. I like both and I'm totally confused what to do.. PLEASE HELP. Waiting for all your views..
It totally depends on what you intend to do with it. If you are interested in practicing abroad, the MD from Ross would be useful because for some reason, DOs aren't recognized in a lot of countries. However, if you plan to practice in the states, i would suggest making sure you have a solid understanding of the differences between DO and MD and making sure you are interested in the DO route, because it is probably the better option if you're practicing in the states. I've met fine physicians who went to Ross, however it's one of those things where people do look at it differently and you have to work harder to earn respect or trust from older physicians. DOs are much more accepted by other physicians, from the feeling i get working side by side with both.
people go caribbean for the same variety of reasons they go DO. I know one guy who had a 35 MCAT and a 3.8 GPA with a freakin' ton of experience, nice, well spoken --- but his wife said the only way she'd move for him to go to med school was if he went to the caribbean. So that's where they went.
Another guy - 18 MCAT, 2.4 GPA. Went caribbean because that's the only place he could get in.
Wow. What a b****. I'd choose US medical school over her any day.
This is not exactly accurate. It is not really much easier to practice abroad with an MD than with a DO. Also, there's only a few more countries where MDs are already recognized for practice that DOs are not recognized in yet.
Practicing medicine abroad, is difficult for both MDs and DOs for the simple fact of being a foreign physician.
you use PCP?
here's the thing. if you're goal is to practice abroad, you might as well go to medical school in the country you plan on settling in. The Austraila option seems very interesting.
I was accepted to SGU last year and chose to stick around and give DO a shot this year. If what your after is a quality medical education, you'll get that during your residency. So the question is can you get a better residency as a Carib grad or a DO? My dad is a MD (Rad Onc) and he likes my choice to go DO. That should say a lot about how the image of DO's is changing. But, like others have said...if the letters M.D. are important to you, go south. If that's the case though, you might want to reconsider your motivation for entering the medical field. Is it to treat patients or is it for the money or prestige associated with being a physician? Just my .02.
Some Ross 4th years students came to my med school on rotation and I chatted with them for a bit. They said ~50% of their class is gone before 4th year. The ones that make it generally get residencies in the US. I dunno if anyone can verify this but it sounded like if you belong in medical school you'll get a US residency no matter where you go. The Caribbean schools will let you in, tell you you can be a doctor then take 50-100K from you in even if you really have no chance though. I'm not an expert here but it is the vibe I get talking with Caribbean students and doctors who went there. Why anyone would choose Caribbean over DO is beyond me though.
Some Ross 4th years students came to my med school on rotation and I chatted with them for a bit. They said ~50% of their class is gone before 4th year. The ones that make it generally get residencies in the US. I dunno if anyone can verify this but it sounded like if you belong in medical school you'll get a US residency no matter where you go. The Caribbean schools will let you in, tell you you can be a doctor then take 50-100K from you in even if you really have no chance though. I'm not an expert here but it is the vibe I get talking with Caribbean students and doctors who went there. Why anyone would choose Caribbean over DO is beyond me though.
Here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...al-school-rejects-as-taxpayers-fund-debt.html
Michael Uva, a 2010 graduate of St. George's University in Grenada, sits for a photograph in New York, on Aug. 19, 2013. Uva has $400,000 in medical school loans and currently earns $30 an hour overseeing a blood donation clinic in New Jersey, where he also draws blood. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
Here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...al-school-rejects-as-taxpayers-fund-debt.html
Michael Uva, a 2010 graduate of St. George's University in Grenada, sits for a photograph in New York, on Aug. 19, 2013. Uva has $400,000 in medical school loans and currently earns $30 an hour overseeing a blood donation clinic in New Jersey, where he also draws blood. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
Yeah, was reading that too. Though many posters seem legit students, not agents. In any case, some dude at Ross was bragging how he is no "reject" and how he turned dowm three DO acceptances, because he wanted "the better degree and the MD letters" the carib had to offer.Dude, the comment section on that article was cracking me up. I guess if DeVry is making $2.0e8 per year in profit, they can afford to pay some people to post comments in favor of their school/program.
Technically they confer MBBS degrees don't they? Which transfer to MD? Just curious.Yeah, was reading that too. Though many posters seem legit students, not agents. In any case, some dude at Ross was bragging how he is no "reject" and how he turned dowm three DO acceptances, because he wanted "the better degree and the MD letters" the carib had to offer.
Yeah, was reading that too. Though many posters seem legit students, not agents. In any case, some dude at Ross was bragging how he is no "reject" and how he turned dowm three DO acceptances, because he wanted "the better degree and the MD letters" the carib had to offer.
Here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...al-school-rejects-as-taxpayers-fund-debt.html
Michael Uva, a 2010 graduate of St. George's University in Grenada, sits for a photograph in New York, on Aug. 19, 2013. Uva has $400,000 in medical school loans and currently earns $30 an hour overseeing a blood donation clinic in New Jersey, where he also draws blood. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
I like Sheryl MD in the comments because I like rooting for the underdog (perhaps a bit too much). If the MCAT average at these schools is 25 then there are obviously a lot of people that could go DO, why don't they?
I can't believe you resurrected this old and crazy thread!!Some Ross 4th years students came to my med school on rotation and I chatted with them for a bit. They said ~50% of their class is gone before 4th year. The ones that make it generally get residencies in the US. I dunno if anyone can verify this but it sounded like if you belong in medical school you'll get a US residency no matter where you go. The Caribbean schools will let you in, tell you you can be a doctor then take 50-100K from you in even if you really have no chance though. I'm not an expert here but it is the vibe I get talking with Caribbean students and doctors who went there. Why anyone would choose Caribbean over DO is beyond me though.
Better degree....my foot! Maybe for his situation, a for-profit, foreign MD is better, but I'm not buying it.Yeah, was reading that too. Though many posters seem legit students, not agents. In any case, some dude at Ross was bragging how he is no "reject" and how he turned down three DO acceptances, because he wanted "the better degree and the MD letters" the carib had to offer.
Here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...al-school-rejects-as-taxpayers-fund-debt.html
Michael Uva, a 2010 graduate of St. George's University in Grenada, sits for a photograph in New York, on Aug. 19, 2013. Uva has $400,000 in medical school loans and currently earns $30 an hour overseeing a blood donation clinic in New Jersey, where he also draws blood. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
Their focus was on the financial risk/reward of the Caribbean route vs the USMD route. I thought it was a decent article.