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Objectively speaking, US MD school. The MCAT is a harder test and the average GPA needed to be competitive is higher.
Why is the MCAT a harder test, and by how much is the average GPA higher?
Could you elaborate on this?
Does the MCAT have QR and PAT? Does the MCAT cover more topics in biology, general chemistry, and organic chemistry than the DAT?The current exam pulls stuff from psychology, soc, biophysics and even micro. Also some questions are just short paragraphs so it's a pain and the reading is much more difficult than the DAT. Take a practice MCAT if you don't believe me. If I wanted to score in a similar percentile to my DAT on the MCAT I would probably need to study a LOT more.
Although gen bio isn't more in depth, more bio subjects are included: Biochem and micro. You can just take a look whats on the exam here: https://www.aamc.org/students/download/374008/data/mcat2015-bb-content-outline.pdfWhat led you to this conclusion?
By "although gen bio isn't more in depth," are you saying that topics covered on both exams are tested on the same level?Although gen bio isn't more in depth, more bio subjects are included: Biochem and micro. You can just take a look whats on the exam here: https://www.aamc.org/students/download/374008/data/mcat2015-bb-content-outline.pdf
Yes the shared topics should be the same (maybe like a small difference between the two) but I know some questions on the mcat are not straightforward like on DAT. Some questions in the mcat will be linked to a short paragraph for example where if you don't understand the topic you could easily losee 4 or so questions in a row.Are you saying that topics covered on both exams are tested on the same level?
So the MCAT is more breadth than depth at least for bio. Would you agree?Really the difference lies between total topics covered and how questions are presented.
Maybe, I mean just like the DAT you won't be tested on everything you studied but you are expected to know a fair amount on each topic.So the MCAT is more breadth than depth at least for bio. Would you agree?
Longer exam, overall more in depth, questions require a little more thinking, questions can be lengthy etc. etc.
Average GPA for MD's is like 3.7. Overall MD is harder to apply to but man I love how much the AAMC gives out information on applicants and matriculants. Plus the MSAR is a nifty tool...
studentdent stop being nflammatorythe mcat is way harder than the dat the dat asks a question like "where is the dna stored in a cell" and your QR circlejerk is invalid because mcat physics uses arithmetic
i understand you regret your decision in life but badgering one of your own (a predent) is useless
MD is harder to get into and way harder to specialize. MCAT test subjects are more in depth and you need higher GPA to get in medical school. That's why some premeds fail to get into a medical school and switch to dental instead.
Not true...3.55 mean GPA for med school, 28.6 MCAT which is 69-70th percentile vs a 3.56 GPA for dental school and a mean DAT of 19.9 which is the 85th%
https://www.aamc.org/download/321494/data/factstable17.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85332/data/combined08.pdf
http://datbootcamp.com/blog/dat-grading-scale/
I think your data includes DO, which skews the data down. I'm talking about MD only, not MD + DO.
In 2012, the average MCAT and GPA for students entering U.S.-based M.D. programs were 31.2 and 3.68, respectively, and 26.85 and 3.51 for D.O. matriculants
What do you mean by "more in depth?" Could you be more specific?MCAT test subjects are more in depth
Not true...3.55 mean GPA for med school, 28.6 MCAT which is 69-70th percentile vs a 3.56 GPA for dental school and a mean DAT of 19.9 which is the 85th%
https://www.aamc.org/download/321494/data/factstable17.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85332/data/combined08.pdf
http://datbootcamp.com/blog/dat-grading-scale/
Are all biology questions like that on the DAT?the dat asks a question like "where is the dna stored in a cell"
Are you suggesting QR does not test one's arithmetic ability?and your QR circlejerk is invalid because mcat physics uses arithmetic
What led you to this conclusion?i understand you regret your decision in life
So do you believe that on average medical students are smarter than dental students?This argument is ridiculously pointless. I do believe the MCAT is harder than the DAT. But so what, give both tests to the same 1000 people and the cream will rise to the top in both populations. That's the point of both tests, equal assessment within their applicant pools. Also for anyone who chooses to believe that being an MD is the peak of academic achievement, they must be forgetting about Caribbean MDs... Also the DO thing throws another wrench into the physician superiority complex (there are no for-profit dental schools YET).
Summary: Who cares which is harder? Choose the career you want and make it happen.
What do you mean by "more in depth?" Could you be more specific?
Lol I feel like you didn't understand my post...which makes me believe that the average medical student is smarter than you ... but to answer your post I really have no idea nor care. I have met many of the medical students (MD, well-regarded state school) at my university and they all seem very similar to the people in my class, albeit way less cool obviously. And you keep jumping around with the group of people you are talking about, stick with US allopathic medical student or medical students in general (which for Americans would include US MD, DO, and carribean MD).So do you believe that on average medical students are smarter than dental students?
For someone who claims to be indifferent of med vs dent admissions, you make such a meticulous effort to distinguish between US MD/DO/non-US MD schools. Don't you think?Lol I feel like you didn't understand my post...which makes me believe that the average medical student is smarter than you ... but to answer your post I really have no idea nor care. I have met many of the medical students (MD, well-regarded state school) at my university and they all seem very similar to the people in my class, albeit way less cool obviously. And you keep jumping around with the group of people you are talking about, stick with US allopathic medical student or medical students in general (which for Americans would include US MD, DO, and carribean MD).
Resorting to ad hominem doesn't answer the question at hand, does it? Besides, what implications are you specifically alluding to? The question posed at the very beginning is quite innocuous, no?I think there's one thing we can all agree on. Both are smarter than the OP; who even makes a topic like this knowing the implications lol.
GPA tells only half the story. Also, as someone noted in your thread, without a valid statistical analysis, drawing any conclusion from such raw data is dubious at best.
Exactly what "more stuff?" Are you implying the MCAT covers everything the DAT covers and more?It covers more stuff.
Exactly what "more stuff?" Are you implying the MCAT covers everything the DAT covers and more?
Are you avoiding from answering the question because you've been making statements that are nothing more than speculations based on hearsays? (i.e. you don't really know what you are talking about?) No need to get all emotional here.Why the **** don't you go look it up instead of asking incessant questions? Stop trying to bait me. Go nuts at circlejerk on reddit.
Your first statement doesn't answer the question, which specifically deals with the admissions, not what goes on afterwards. 10x harder you say? Why is that?Dental students have a much easier 3rd year than medical students do. Also, MCAT is 10x harder than DAT. Sorry, but it's true
Are you avoiding from answering the question because you've been making statements that are nothing more than speculations based on hearsays? (i.e. you don't really know what you are talking about?) No need to get all emotional here.
Oh I know, I was just saying that third year ds's seem to have a much easier time than med students with their rotations and stuff. As for the MCAT vs. DAT, it's obvious I think. I personally thought DAT wasn't difficult. My roommate recently took the 7hr MCAT. She had to study biochem in depth as well as physics. People taking DAT don't have to do that.Your first statement doesn't answer the question, which specifically deals with the admissions, not what goes on afterwards. 10x harder you say? Why is that?