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yeah man it up, men
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my mother too fails to consider DOs as real docs. Mom's reasoning is that she claimed that her great aunt died in an "osteopathic hospital"....I think the woman was in her 90s, give me a break.
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I'm not a bro, I'm a ma'am.
I understand wanting to vent, and we pre-meds and soon-to-be-med-students understand best I'm sure, but at some point the rantings start to sound the same. And get frustrating when there's a lot of venting but no action.
I am glad that at least YOU want the DO degree. It's you who has to do the work, so you should reap the benefits as well.
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Ya man, you better man it up , bro, yes dude. chill. 😱
Agree one hundred percent, it is all about being the best doctor you can be. and has nothing do with being a DO or an MD two thumbs up!
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Dude...you want to be your mother's doctor?
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That's why trauma surgery is the best area of medicine for a DO. None of your patients are in a position to refuse your services because you're a DO.
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I think you should take that with a grain of salt. Personally ... I think that DO applicants are FAR more intune with reality/generally more relaxed/less caught up in the pre-med game in general. However, this doesn't mean that they aren't motivated, hardworking individuals. I get your general statement, but I just don't want anyone to believe that any type of med school is laid back (from what I can gather ...).
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okay...maybe u can read my post on one of the many times it was quoted below....hahahahahaha i am over it...it really was just meant to engage in a debate and talk about what i have seen....u shouldn't have taken it personally...I am sorry if you thought I was bashing DOs...that wasn't the case at all...so i will editmy post to write what u apprently wanted me to right
I applied to Do schools... I loove DOs (this part isn't all sarcasm but i think i have to say it in order to post here🙂)..no one will ever question your abilities as a DO...no one has ever questioned my reasons for applying to DO schools... and its okay to get mad at MD ppl who are thinking about applying DO but don't want to spend alot of money working hard in school and then MAY have to prove themselves all the time...some ppl maybe just don't want to deal with that...for some ppl it maybe easier for them to re take the MCATs and apply to Md schools or go to the carribbean...and its okay if they feel that way ....and no one here was saying that...no one here was saying anything besides..no bias exists and we are all perfectly accepted...this isn't the case...not in my experience... and despite how much you get mad..and insult me... it still doesn't take away from what ppl have said to me...
i was just giving my two cents...and things i have seen...yes megboo it has been literally every single MD I have told...
I applied to Do schools... I loove DOs (this part isn't all sarcasm but i think i have to say it in order to post here🙂)..no one will ever question your abilities as a DO...no one has ever questioned my reasons for applying to DO schools... and its okay to get mad at MD ppl who are thinking about applying DO but don't want to spend alot of money working hard in school and then MAY have to prove themselves all the time...some ppl maybe just don't want to deal with that...for some ppl it maybe easier for them to re take the MCATs and apply to Md schools or go to the carribbean...and its okay if they feel that way ....and no one here was saying that...no one here was saying anything besides..no bias exists and we are all perfectly accepted...this isn't the case...not in my experience... and despite how much you get mad..and insult me... it still doesn't take away from what ppl have said to me...
i was just giving my two cents...and things i have seen...yes megboo it has been literally every single MD I have told...
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I know an MD neurosurgeon who looks at DO's as equals. I also received a great e-mail from a DO trauma surgeon today who feels that he is respected as an equal by his peers, and always has been. I picked his name off the internet and asked him about how to become a trauma surgeon, and he told me that the only real barriers to DO's he thinks are in cardiothoracic surgery, and the barriers are getting smaller.
I'm not worried at all. Trauma surgery, here I come. And yes, I would go to a lot of DO schools over a lot of MD schools.
I'm not worried at all. Trauma surgery, here I come. And yes, I would go to a lot of DO schools over a lot of MD schools.
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hmmmm
i like these debates and since its 3:30 am and i can't sleep i will join in on this one...
in the real world...some patients know the difference but most don't...the doctors i work with just have Dr. on their name badge... and the degree letters are alot smaller...but this a smaller city in upstate NY...when i worked in nyc some ppl did say i don't want a DO i want a real doctor...but for the most part if you are smart, smiling, and articulate patients will like you...
nurses know the difference and some comment on it and others don't really care... we have great doctors who are DOs and not so good ones who are MDs, just be competent and they won't care either....however...when i told the doctors i work with that i was applying... they all looked around and said... don't become a DO apply MD...even the ones whose colleagues are DOs...they said i will have an easier time with residencies and you don't want to questioned by others your whole life....every single MD said this... because i had my DO acceptances before the MD ones
my bf is a podiatrist...and he is confident ...brilliant... and chief resident and he gets alittle upset by the stigma of podiatrists... he always get...wow you are smart for a podiatrist... and he says he thinks being a DO you get the same response...
its silly to think that DOs are alooked upon the same as MDs....just like its silly to think that FMGs are looked upon the same as amercian grads...but do they all make a good living and have patients that adore them? SURE
so if i didn't get into an MD school i would have gladly gone to UNECOM and looved it! because as my nurse manager said you should be happy that u were accepted to any school in the US ;-)...but i want to be an oncologist so it really doesn't matter for me...but my best friend who wants to be a neurosurgeon would have had a harder time... so look at your specialty and look at your motivation...and follow your heart
but MD does not equal DO... just like harvard does not equal upstate or gw (one of these will probably be my school and i am soooooo happy!!)
there is nothing wrong with ppl saying i only want to be a MD
by the way...I have interviewed at many MD and DO schools... all of my schools were laidback...not cut throat...no sabotaging...shared notes...friendly...supportive... so that isn't a fair stereotype of allopathaic schools anymore...
good luck to everyone applying...
mel;-)
Honestly, I don't want to start a war here ... but this is one of the worst posts I've seen on SDN in a long time. Let me throw a few stats at you ...
-Last year over 11k people applied to DO schools
-As of right now 1 in 5 students in Med school, attend a DO school (this is potentially projected to become 1 in 4 if these trends continue), which means that by 2018 over 20% of practicing doctors in the US will be DOs
Bottom line .... Some older doctors in the profession will probably tell you that 'you shouldn't go DO' because when they went to an MD school ... it was a very different thing, but there is absolutely no difference anymore. If you want to be a doctor, that should be what is important ... not the letters behind your name. It also suprizes me that patients would even know the difference, and on top of that - care. You point about the residencies has some truth ... but is flawed. True, DOs probably don't match into as many MD specialities, but you must remember that there are AOA residencies for every speciality. Also, a residency that is difficult or very sought after is going to be very hard ... MD or DO. You aren't going to be able to go to an MD school, do poorly on your boards, and match into neurosurgery just bc you have an MD behind your name ... that's not how any of this process works. You make what you want out of the degree ... period.
Sorry if I was harsh in this post ... it wasn't my intent. I just don't want to see anyone feel that they 'have' to go to an MD school to match into a residency or because MDs who graduated at a time when the DO was a very different thing, say to go MD.
*** Okay I just had to add something that happened to me today because it fits ...
I was talking to my buddy earlier today and he told me that he is now going to apply to DO schools because his research doc at our undergrad university (UCLA - one of the biggest/most respected research university in the country, #1 hospital west of Mississippi etc etc ...) is an MD/PhD and suggested that he apply to DO schools because there are some wonderful programs, and that there is no different for practicing anymore!!
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DancinRN, I have to say I'm really disappointed in these two posts. I have come to admire your work through this process - you're a nontrad like me. However, you are bordeline bashing DOs here with opinions that are archaic and just inflammatory about DOs.
I wouldn't waste an ounce of sleep worrying about a nurse who thought my DO degree wasn't as good as the MD degree. If the PD is fine with it, no worries.
"Every single MD" huh - in both Northern IL and Southern IL docs of both MD and DO variety have congratulated me on my DO acceptance. When I've discussed the MD vs. DO stigma, the MDs poo-poo it and tell me it doesn't matter at all. I have n=50+ so I'm pretty confident that my DO degree will get me places, at least in IL.
You can't compare DOs to MDS like FMGs to DO/MD. It is infinitely harder to gain a residency spot being a foreign grad over an American grad with similar stats. DOs have their own residencies and have the benefit of matching osteo or allo.
But just before you said MD better than DO, so how could you even consider DO schools? Oh wait! That was BEFORE your got accepted to allo schools, right? no?
I wouldn't waste an ounce of sleep worrying about a nurse who thought my DO degree wasn't as good as the MD degree. If the PD is fine with it, no worries.
"Every single MD" huh - in both Northern IL and Southern IL docs of both MD and DO variety have congratulated me on my DO acceptance. When I've discussed the MD vs. DO stigma, the MDs poo-poo it and tell me it doesn't matter at all. I have n=50+ so I'm pretty confident that my DO degree will get me places, at least in IL.
Do you know just how silly this phrase sounds?
I think this is the paragraph that is most insulting. DO practice rights ===== MD. No ifs ands or buts (excluding the 5 infamous states that I foresee changing soon). Their curriculums differ by OMM, that's all. I have long been comparing my top 2 choices, one a DO, the other an MD school, and the basic courses are the same with exception to OMM. Clinical rotations must meet a minimum criteria by accreditation and licensing laws, so they are the same too.
You can't compare DOs to MDS like FMGs to DO/MD. It is infinitely harder to gain a residency spot being a foreign grad over an American grad with similar stats. DOs have their own residencies and have the benefit of matching osteo or allo.
There are not any oncology DO programs I'm aware of, but a few neurosurgery DO programs that MDs can't match into. So technically, DOs have a better shot at NS than allos do. You are showing that you have a lot of opinion about DOs but not much based on fact.
yes it does. And it's you who will have to get used to it. Did you know that Harvard offers an OMM training course now?
no, there's not. However, there is something wrong with people being all gung-ho for osteopathic medical school, UNTIL they are accepted to an allo school, and then start talking out of both sides of their mouth.
You saw a glimpse into student life. You won't know until you get there.
But just before you said MD better than DO, so how could you even consider DO schools? Oh wait! That was BEFORE your got accepted to allo schools, right? no?
I don't think they're "trying really hard" at all. A good doctor will have a lot of patients. The philosophy is pushed so much in school so that you will remember when you're practicing. A DO may not do a lot of OMM, but it will help with a gentle touch or not being afraid to touch the patient. You fail to realize that one of the BIGGEST deterrents to people choosing DO over MD is the COST of medical school. I'm in at CCOM, and the tuition is 38,500 a year (roughly). If I get in at SIU, the tuition drops to 22,000 (roughly for what I need). Unfortunately, debt is a high-ranking decision-maker too. It's not "just" the MD/DO issue at stake.
yeah, you should take that vice-versa and really examine it. From what I've seen on the pre-osteo vs. pre-allo boards, the pre-osteo folks have got it together. There's way less gunner-ism, neuroticism about the most minute details (although it's there), and snarky responses. If you post about DO school in pre-allo, they laugh at you. If you post about MD schools in pre-osteo, it's no big thing, just another medical school.
again, you don't know what you're talking about. Here, go to this website and you can see the osteo neurosurg residencies yourself. Looks like there are 11 different NS residencies for DOs ONLY. Nice try on the DO bashing, but you need to do your homework.
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The internist I shadowed (MD) told me that out of te group that he works with (5 MDs and 2 DOs) that one of the DOs is the most brilliant and best doctor in the practice.
So basically you just seem stuck up to me with those comments. By the way how is the world did you get into Harvard or GW with those stats? ..... o yea
So basically you just seem stuck up to me with those comments. By the way how is the world did you get into Harvard or GW with those stats? ..... o yea
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Here is why I think people get confused...
People who aren't doctors look at things like match lists (meaningless) to judge the quality of a school. They look for things like derm and neurosurgery, and assume that everybody wants to go into those fields. If a school doesn't have a lot of people matching into stuff like that, they assume that nobody from that school can get good residency placement.
Then they look at DO match lists and see tons of primary care matches. They assume that all 80 people from DO school X wanted to match derm, but ended up in primary care because that was all they could get.
But here's the deal... DO schools are traditionally primary care factories. So what kind of students do you think they attract?
That's right! People who want to go into primary care. So of course they're going to match a lot of primary care. On top of that, DO schools have a lot more older non-trads. These are people who might not want to spend a long time doing residency and fellowship training after school. Again, more primary care.
But if you want to do something else, the option is clearly there. You have to pretty much do the same thing as you'd do at an allopathic school. In some cases, it may be a little harder, but this is becoming less and less frequent.
This is what I gather from talking with many DO's and MD's about this exact subject. Just go to school at the place you like the best. Except for very few instances, you will be evaluated on your own merits.
People who aren't doctors look at things like match lists (meaningless) to judge the quality of a school. They look for things like derm and neurosurgery, and assume that everybody wants to go into those fields. If a school doesn't have a lot of people matching into stuff like that, they assume that nobody from that school can get good residency placement.
Then they look at DO match lists and see tons of primary care matches. They assume that all 80 people from DO school X wanted to match derm, but ended up in primary care because that was all they could get.
But here's the deal... DO schools are traditionally primary care factories. So what kind of students do you think they attract?
That's right! People who want to go into primary care. So of course they're going to match a lot of primary care. On top of that, DO schools have a lot more older non-trads. These are people who might not want to spend a long time doing residency and fellowship training after school. Again, more primary care.
But if you want to do something else, the option is clearly there. You have to pretty much do the same thing as you'd do at an allopathic school. In some cases, it may be a little harder, but this is becoming less and less frequent.
This is what I gather from talking with many DO's and MD's about this exact subject. Just go to school at the place you like the best. Except for very few instances, you will be evaluated on your own merits.
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People who aren't doctors think this, but that's what you gather from taking with doctors?
I'm a little 😕 here.
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Not sure what you meant with the "....excluding the 5 infamous states that I foresee changing soon." That has to do with internships/residency options, and not practice rights.
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hmmmm
i like these debates and since its 3:30 am and i can't sleep i will join in on this one...
in the real world...some patients know the difference but most don't...the doctors i work with just have Dr. on their name badge... and the degree letters are alot smaller...but this a smaller city in upstate NY...when i worked in nyc some ppl did say i don't want a DO i want a real doctor...but for the most part if you are smart, smiling, and articulate patients will like you...
nurses know the difference and some comment on it and others don't really care... we have great doctors who are DOs and not so good ones who are MDs, just be competent and they won't care either....however...when i told the doctors i work with that i was applying... they all looked around and said... don't become a DO apply MD...even the ones whose colleagues are DOs...they said i will have an easier time with residencies and you don't want to questioned by others your whole life....every single MD said this... because i had my DO acceptances before the MD ones
my bf is a podiatrist...and he is confident ...brilliant... and chief resident and he gets alittle upset by the stigma of podiatrists... he always get...wow you are smart for a podiatrist... and he says he thinks being a DO you get the same response...
its silly to think that DOs are alooked upon the same as MDs....just like its silly to think that FMGs are looked upon the same as amercian grads...but do they all make a good living and have patients that adore them? SURE
so if i didn't get into an MD school i would have gladly gone to UNECOM and looved it! because as my nurse manager said you should be happy that u were accepted to any school in the US ;-)...but i want to be an oncologist so it really doesn't matter for me...but my best friend who wants to be a neurosurgeon would have had a harder time... so look at your specialty and look at your motivation...and follow your heart
but MD does not equal DO... just like harvard does not equal upstate or gw (one of these will probably be my school and i am soooooo happy!!)
there is nothing wrong with ppl saying i only want to be a MD
by the way...I have interviewed at many MD and DO schools... all of my schools were laidback...not cut throat...no sabotaging...shared notes...friendly...supportive... so that isn't a fair stereotype of allopathaic schools anymore...
good luck to everyone applying...
mel;-)
OK... I have been in EMS over six years and my wife, RN like yourself with about 7 years under her belt. I can honestly say that DOs=MDs in every instance I have experienced. We have 2 DOs in the Chicago area that are senior members on surgical staff as well as many in Emergency medicine(2 specialties people think DOs will suffer in). In fact the Chief of EMS in southern cook county (Ingalls) is a DO(Dr. Hellicser). A chief at Loyola...Loyola is a DO(The name slips me but I met him a coupla months ago). There are DOs in residencies at UIC, UofI, Northwestern UofC et al, as well as in osteopathic residencies that still work besides and with allo residents(For example lutheran general, chirst hospital, cook county and others).
The real dueling between the two degrees really only take place amongst those that have neither. This is actually kind of funny
. People should really get a clue on this website and just become the best doctor no matter what. NO MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL IS GOING TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST YOU for being a DO, but clueless pre-meds sure will. It is actually kind of ironic that I ran into Dr. Naan who is Indian and asked him about DOs early in my decision making he said, "there is no difference anymore...nowadays DOs are the same as us." "Us," because he was an MD.It is going to be real funny when some of you "PRE-meds" get into your internships and get pimped by chief residents and attendings that are DOs.
That said...Good Luck to all and continue to follow your dreams of being good competent physicians...I know I will if given the opportunity.
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Ok...now to her defense, lets not start that. She has clinical experience and her stats are not bad. Lets leave the claws in people I am sure she worked hard and deserves what she earned. We are not going to turn this into an anti URM thread I hope.
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This message goes out to all my fellow Indian Pre-Meds who have parents that dont understand why being a D.O. is equivalent to M.D.
All you have to do is ask them this question: If doctors from India who have MBBS degrees can come to America, do their residency and then practice with physicians who got their M.D. degrees studying in America and be treated as equivalent, then why cant a person go to an osteopathic medical college in America and be treated as equivalent to an M.D.
All you have to do is ask them this question: If doctors from India who have MBBS degrees can come to America, do their residency and then practice with physicians who got their M.D. degrees studying in America and be treated as equivalent, then why cant a person go to an osteopathic medical college in America and be treated as equivalent to an M.D.
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I am not going to turn this thread into anti URM- but I do think that people should'nt open their mouth about how DO is inferior to MD to pre-DO students which most of them have better stats then them in the first place.
Give me a break.
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I was including internship/residency as practice since you are a doc - just wanted to cover my bases since I don't know the law inside and out. I live in a state that is fully supportive of DOs
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I read this thread and I gotta agree with sexyman. If it wasn't for the URM status dancinRN would probably have been lucky to get into a good DO school. While I realize this may be a loaded comment, I do not think people should be so opinionated about the significance of DO vs. MD when they stand on a platform of borderline stats, despite clinical experience or an MD acceptance.
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I Agree man. 100% .👍
No offense to anyone though, but why aren't Indians considered URM? I mean, the population is barely 1% of the total American population. yes?
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Because they AREN'T URM in medical schools! There is no lack of representation from asians in medical school. If anything, it's quite the opposite. The same goes for many law schools.
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My bro-in-law's doctor is DO and he says she is the best doctor he has seen in his life (India and America put together). But if there were no DOs that treated him until now, he wouldn't have known what the hell it was either. It sucks man, that majority of the Indians in NJ and NY are very conservative and are very skeptical of anything new to them.
I bet many of their doctors are DOs and they don't even realize it, until their kids start taking interest in OMM.
See, the problem here is that they don't care whether DO= MD because surely MBBS does not equal MD, but they feel the pride when someone comes in with an MBBS degree. They think someone who did MBBS is great because they know about it, and likewise, there is a thing called MD in India so they know about it. There is no thing called DO in India. The alternatives to MD in India are Homeopathy and Ayurvedic medicine- which in my opinion are bunch of balony. So, Ignorance is really the cause of this problem. Also, I know for a fact there is no discrimination between DO and MD at the work place because a good friend of the family is a physician and she says there is no discrimination whether one becomes a DO or an MD, I made her talk to them and they tolerate it, somwhat.
Personally, I like DO, my stats aren't great but I have a 35 mcat score (which is pretty good for some of the more competitive MD schools also) but I have stopped doing my applications to other schools because I don't have thousands of dollars to spend on applications. As far as I am concerned, DO degree will enable me to learn something extra- namely OMT- which will only aid in my future practice as a physician.
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lol you remind me of Will Ferrell in Talladegga Nights...
"With all do respect, DOs are a bunch of unqualified bafoons who are looked down upon by their patients and colleagues. Wait why are you offended, I don't get it."
Also, your post is borderline incomprehensible. Your PS must have been a joy.
"With all do respect, DOs are a bunch of unqualified bafoons who are looked down upon by their patients and colleagues. Wait why are you offended, I don't get it."
Also, your post is borderline incomprehensible. Your PS must have been a joy.
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dancinRN, I have no idea why you think I was calling you names. I did not mention URM at all. I stuck to the issues at hand. And I still think you have some bias toward DOs. Not because you decided to choose MD, but because you then come here and "tell us like it is" while trying to boost the DO profession. Again, that's talking out of both sides of your mouth and really unpleasant.
Words like archaic and inflammatory were used to describe your line of thinking, of which you parrot back from your MD buddies.
DOs *don't* want to be the same as MDs. If that were the case, it would have been done long ago. They just strive for the same practice rights (achieved now) and respect (we know how that's going) as MDs. Your cronies at work don't have respect for DOs at all. Despite what they say, it's getting infinitely LESS hard to match in a particular specialty as a DO, which is the crux of your argument, right? Remember your neurosurgeon and rads onc examples?
I can tell by the rest of the responses here that you think you are "doing us a favor" and "telling us how it is". You can go ahead and stop. Most of us applied to both DO and MD programs - we know how some MDs feel about DOs. And believe it or not, some of us have also had successful careers in health care, and work with both DOs and MDs.
You might be trying to be helpful, but you're condescending in your posts.
Words like archaic and inflammatory were used to describe your line of thinking, of which you parrot back from your MD buddies.
DOs *don't* want to be the same as MDs. If that were the case, it would have been done long ago. They just strive for the same practice rights (achieved now) and respect (we know how that's going) as MDs. Your cronies at work don't have respect for DOs at all. Despite what they say, it's getting infinitely LESS hard to match in a particular specialty as a DO, which is the crux of your argument, right? Remember your neurosurgeon and rads onc examples?
I can tell by the rest of the responses here that you think you are "doing us a favor" and "telling us how it is". You can go ahead and stop. Most of us applied to both DO and MD programs - we know how some MDs feel about DOs. And believe it or not, some of us have also had successful careers in health care, and work with both DOs and MDs.
You might be trying to be helpful, but you're condescending in your posts.
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hiya....
my post may have been in comprehensible but it really was too long and I really did give this too much attention ... it was 6 am and I did work 13 hours and I think I was a little sensitive I should have just told you ... I wasn't insulting you or your profession....please you don't know me so don't insult me personally ......now I over it now...good luck getting into school everyone... this is silly and childish..
hi sexyman...apparently...i must have really hurt your feelings..y else would you keep attacking me???
... so guess what...I'll give... I apologize... i don't appreciate your race comments...but I must have really upset you by telling you the things ppl have said to me...i hope no one ever questions u ...and u never have to prove yourself or your abilities...
Mel 🙂
my post may have been in comprehensible but it really was too long and I really did give this too much attention ... it was 6 am and I did work 13 hours and I think I was a little sensitive I should have just told you ... I wasn't insulting you or your profession....please you don't know me so don't insult me personally ......now I over it now...good luck getting into school everyone... this is silly and childish..
hi sexyman...apparently...i must have really hurt your feelings..y else would you keep attacking me???
... so guess what...I'll give... I apologize... i don't appreciate your race comments...but I must have really upset you by telling you the things ppl have said to me...i hope no one ever questions u ...and u never have to prove yourself or your abilities...
Mel 🙂
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I believe I know plenty of DO's with >27 MCAT and a >3.1 Science GPA.
Again, I do notice that you said MOST and not ALL, but your statement is hypocritical nevertheless. No one is judging you for your race. It is merely a fact that URM status increases your chances of acceptance with lower stats. You were the one to point out you are African American. If you say you do not comprehend why people are getting angry for your stated "facts" about the DO degree, why would you reiterate with defensive comments about your URM status?
With that said, I do wish you luck in pursuing your MD and I hope the way you meet the challenges you face in medical school and beyond reflect your true ability to handle the academic and professional load of a physician.
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hahahahhahahahaha I guess sending a PM in order to not argue with you in public wasm't effective... i wasn't being condescending....its the internet... you read it that way🙂
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This thread reminds me of the feeling I got when l was a senior in college and meeting the freshman class that was inevitably 75% premed. Nice people who all meant well but ultimately have no idea whats going on.
In the workplace there is absolutely zero bias in where someone went to school. DO, MD, IMG, or FMG. Noone has time for that and quite frankly we are all to busy taking care of patients to give a damn. There are two major concerns when picking colleagues and that is a) are they competent and b) are they easy to work with. And no sorry, your ivy league US medical education does not make you competent. In fact if your a US medical grad you will spend most of your career being schooled by FMGs. Yes the very same that premeds stick at the bottom of the pecking order.
The only time when your school comes into play is when applying for residency programs. And even then it's only for old school fields like surgery.
In the workplace there is absolutely zero bias in where someone went to school. DO, MD, IMG, or FMG. Noone has time for that and quite frankly we are all to busy taking care of patients to give a damn. There are two major concerns when picking colleagues and that is a) are they competent and b) are they easy to work with. And no sorry, your ivy league US medical education does not make you competent. In fact if your a US medical grad you will spend most of your career being schooled by FMGs. Yes the very same that premeds stick at the bottom of the pecking order.
The only time when your school comes into play is when applying for residency programs. And even then it's only for old school fields like surgery.
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I was responding to everything you posted here. I didn't respond to your PM because I don't want to have a private conversation on this matter.
It's not my fault you can't keep track of what you post privately vs. publicly.
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Folks, please don't feed the trolling behavior. Just let it die.
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thanks... i wish you good luck too...its not hypocritical... just a fact...obviously not all inclusive because I am an exception GPA may or may not be lower than yours ..but i guess I am also not allowed to state that DO schools tend to have lower acceptance requirements... and MDs know this...some use this knowledge to think they are better and judge ppls DO degree... and if you are MD student...who thinks that they want to be a DO because they didn't get into MD school you may have to deal with this...
and its these ppl are who I am really trying to address...they may not want deal with this..they may not have the passion for osteopathy running through their bones...and they want to know what ppl think about osteopathy...and not everyone accepts it as equal...medicine isn't this happy accepting place where no one judges ppl...obviously...
i wasn't talking to ppl like Dr. kicia or diver doc...who loove osteopathy...because they may not care if they MAY have to defend themselves...i was just giving a different side... NOT INSULTING YOU ALL...
I brought up that I was African Amercian because I was tired of being referred to as a URM...
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hahaha I am not a troll... i made two posts then came home and had like ten directed towards me🙂....I am really a person... but I agree...we should let it die... good luck in school🙂
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On the lighter side...Did you guys know that Dr. Kirby of Dr. 90210 was a Nova graduate(DO). He is now considered to be one of the top Derm physicians in the country. Certainly works with one of the most influential plastic surgeons in the world(MD), who doesn't seem to look down on his degree. Kind of funny.
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That's awesome!!!
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Yep...Check this out.
http://www.kirbydermatology.com/about.htm
http://www.drwillkirby.com/about/index.php
I think someone on here has his picture as his avatar...cough<jaggerplate>
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Yep...Check this out.
http://www.kirbydermatology.com/about.htm
http://www.drwillkirby.com/about/index.php
I think someone on here has his picture as his avatar...cough<jaggerplate>
Hahahahah ... I knew I was going to take heat for the avatar someday
However, Dr. Kirby is a DO and is considered to be a leading authority in the field of laser medicine (tattoo removal, laser hair removal etc ...). He's also gives a lot back to Nova, and does some humanitarian work over seas. Plus, anyone who has seen Dr 90210 knows he's a huge success. I think I like Dr Kirby so much because he really shows that you make what you want to out of your medical degree ... not the other way around!!
Plus ... when I found out he was a DO I had an instant bond!!!👍
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It's ok, DancinRN is too good for us now that she got into her all mighty MD school 🙂 Now she can whisper to the md's when there are no do's around
It wasn't but a month ago she was sucking off UNECOM... She is just a closet troll, (and is the reason why that URM thread got closed) 👍 at least won't be hangin around the pre-do thread anymore...
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The most surprising revelation on this thread... totally did not picture you being 30 texas. Don't get me wrong, I love your sarcastic posts, but I pictured you being 22-24ish... being 30 probably makes you even cooler.
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I'm a little behind on the latest pc terminology, but what does URM stand for? I always thought it was 'underrepresented minority'. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. If I'm right, well then I'm just confused.
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Please, PLEASE don't get her started on that......I think most of us (pre-do's) are simply tired of this bashing/defending/reiterating - hence this thread - the final resting place. I'm sorry I was late for the services, but it is actually fulfilling to see many of my future colleagues stand up for their beliefs. In the end, all the BS asside (md/do/fmg, ect), we are all inevitably going to be doctors and we are all going to have patients... The competitivness between each other is really irrelevant, especially at this point.
I'd like to think of this entire thread as a representation of the md vs do debate. The majority of people out there (at least physicians to be) have veracious, level-headed beliefs and attitudes. But there will always be a few out there who are either insecure with their own achievments, are just flat out ignorant, or just have a superiority complex. Nothing you can do about it. I think my favorite scientist/philosopher Einstein says it best "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
