You make wild claims and have no evidence. I am just looking for the evidence. Find me an MD school that, like you say has the same problems that many osteopathic schools suffer from. The thing is you will have trouble finding one because those problems are unique to the osteopathic world.
And
your evidence is .... where?
4th years recognize it, current attendings recognize it but it seems the premeds wont believe it and speak from their overwhelming experience
That's funny ... almost every DO attending who posts on the board says they have no trouble whatsoever, and practice with MDs everyday.
I have also said, numerous times, on this thread that I am a pre-med and everything I say comes with a disclaimer. However, this does NOT mean you can throw out general stereotypes without evidence and I cannot.
The facts have been laid out by people who have already gone through it. You are just like a kid who doesnt want to hear and so covers his ears and screams lalalala really loud.
These 'facts' (which by the way are so far from facts) are usually posts by disgruntled individuals who wanted to go MD, or regret their decision to go into medicine in the first place. These are the people who select schools without researching their clinicals, almost ALWAYS attend brand spanking new schools, and refuse to admit to anything besides ranting. These people do not represent happy osteopathic students who attend established schools. If certain people buy into the 'do your rotations anywhere you want!' stuff from brand new schools, this is
their mistake. The reason why you see this is because the schools aren't usually affiliated with a University ... not because they are a DO school.
Now ... is THIS an issue. Yes, YES, YES it is .... I don't think anyone denies that schools should stop expanding without creating new residencies and clinical sites. However, if you did this with an MD school they would suffer the same problems (now you can probably sit here and say 'Oh the AMA would never do that ... blah blah' -that's not an issue related to this thread). However, this really, really doesn't concern students from established schools. There are rankings of DO schools just as there is MD schools. Do you think UCSF has better clinicals than an MD school in a mid-west state??? Most likely (in your opinion of what makes rotations good), just the same way that DMU or MSUCOM probably have 'better' clinicals than new DO schools.
My point is that this is not an MD vs DO issue, it is individual medical schools, and that is not how you are approaching it.
See the numerous posts by DO students who have already been through their rotations. I never said all DOs. What I did say was that there is a trend.
Do you really think people would create SDN accounts to come on the boards and rave about how wonderful their rotations have been? No, people make these irrational posts to complain. This isn't a trend. Do more people do this concerning DO schools than MD schools ??? Yes. However, DO schools are opening constantly and I really doubt that people from established schools have ANY problems with their rotations. This is the exact same way someone who went to an Allo school in the mid-west might complain about not seeing the trama one would in a big hospital on the coasts. Once again, this is specific ... not just DO.
Maybe they were just lying though and a pre-med knows better from his vast experience than fellow DO students who have already been through rotations and the match.
Dood ... I'm a pre-med, I know everything ... duh!! Once again, good outweighs bad, people who are happy don't make irate posts, etc etc.
So what is the bottom line ...
-I don't want to sit here and bicker for days
-I don't see your beef with DOs. Trust me, I really, really do understand and accept that there are issues with some NEWER DO schools and rotations will be a huge part of my (eventual) decision.
-I'm not trying to ignore the issues, just explain that they aren't life ending, but please take everything on SDN with a grain of salt (you never know who these people are).
-There are degrees of medical schools, MD and DO ... not all DO schools are equal, just how all MD schools aren't equal.
-Both paths lead to a singular end ... I don't think a divide is best for anyone.
I'm sure this post is filled with mistakes, sentences that don't make sense etc etc ... this is the longest thing I have ever written on SDN, and do not feel like checking it.
