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So I posted my MD applicants profile for this cycle and at first I was getting really encouraging comments, but then I started going over to the Allo side to read stuff and started getting very hateful rude comments. Anyways what is up with that? I mean they weren't just like "try again this year, your stats suck." These people leaving these comments are saying that I am stupid, should never even think about being a physician, and if I do get accepted should turn it down because I would not make a good doctor. Anyways, anyone else getting stuff like this? I'm just about ready to pull my profile from my signature just to stop getting rude comments. And NO I am not complaining, I am just letting off steam. I can truly take critism, I have no problems with getting critical comments. But I really don't feel that attacking someone's character counts as constructive critism.
 
Don't let it get to you. There are some really nasty people on here. Most people are really supportive, but there are a few. It is hard to believe that these people want to become doctors. If you want to become a doctor, just stick with it. Don't give up and ignore all the mean people. A person becomes a bully because they don't feel good about themselves. Just stay postive and hang in there.😍 :luck: 😀
 
noshie said:
So I posted my MD applicants profile for this cycle and at first I was getting really encouraging comments, but then I started going over to the Allo side to read stuff and started getting very hateful rude comments. Anyways what is up with that? I mean they weren’t just like "try again this year, your stats suck." These people leaving these comments are saying that I am stupid, should never even think about being a physician, and if I do get accepted should turn it down because I would not make a good doctor. Anyways, anyone else getting stuff like this? I'm just about ready to pull my profile from my signature just to stop getting rude comments. And NO I am not complaining, I am just letting off steam. I can truly take critism, I have no problems with getting critical comments. But I really don’t feel that attacking someone’s character counts as constructive critism.
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You're right -- sometimes the negative comments go too far. However, it's not good to give people false encouragement either. If you really feel like an applicant won't be successful with their stats, why would you tell them otherwise? One thing about the rude comments on mdapplicants -- you don't have to accept them. You can reject them, and they won't get posted on your profile.

As to the comment about whether or not you'd make a good doctor, I agree that was unnecessary. However, I honestly don't think you have much of a shot of being admitted this year or ever in the US if you don't up your MCAT. People with a 19 might get in, but they probably have 4.0s. If you really want to be a doctor and feel like you can't improve that score, I'd suggest looking into offshore options. Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think it's noble to give you false hope.
 
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Now this is the kind of critism I want to see. I dont feel that saying that is mean, its not a personal attack, it is just your opinion about my situation. I dont want anyone to sugar coat anything, I would like to know what people think of me, if I didnt I would not be on here and I would have never put my MDaps profile up in the first place. I just think that too many people are being hurtful and not helpful with their comments. I was going to erase the bad comments, but I decided that I would keep them just so others can see what kinds of things are posted. I feel like I would be being a big baby if I just erased peoples comments just because I dont like them. I totally agree with you, my MCAT score is just not enough for this cycle. I will be retaking in June.
 
noshie, I wish you luck. I do know that with your MCAT it will be difficult - several DO schools will say they have lower limits of 7's on every section, and many now have minimum GPA requirements. Not saying it's impossible... but it will be extremely difficult with your current numbers. Now also not meaning to flame or be mean, but schools also will fudge those "minimums" for certain desirable demographics. I know several students (of ALL SORTS of demographics) with low numbers who got in on a certain eclectic niche or other. It happens. And there are some who realize that numbers don't make the person or physician.

Do you have plans for improving should this application cycle be non-productive? i.e. do you have plans for studying differently for the MCAT? raising your GPA? Doing something to "set you apart from the masked masses"?

And BTW: if you get into Lincoln Memorial (that's the one in TN, right?), you'll be getting a FABULOUS FABULOUS anatomy professor. FABULOUS.
 
exlawgrrl said:
You're right -- sometimes the negative comments go too far. However, it's not good to give people false encouragement either. If you really feel like an applicant won't be successful with their stats, why would you tell them otherwise? One thing about the rude comments on mdapplicants -- you don't have to accept them. You can reject them, and they won't get posted on your profile.

As to the comment about whether or not you'd make a good doctor, I agree that was unnecessary. However, I honestly don't think you have much of a shot of being admitted this year or ever in the US if you don't up your MCAT. People with a 19 might get in, but they probably have 4.0s. If you really want to be a doctor and feel like you can't improve that score, I'd suggest looking into offshore options. Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think it's noble to give you false hope.
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👍 I agree with that. Constructive critism is fine, but some people are just mean for the sake of being mean.

Noshie: If you don't get in this time, don't give up. You have plenty of options you can use to improve your chances. Good luck!:luck:
 
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noshie said:
So I posted my MD applicants profile for this cycle and at first I was getting really encouraging comments, but then I started going over to the Allo side to read stuff and started getting very hateful rude comments. Anyways what is up with that? I mean they weren’t just like "try again this year, your stats suck." These people leaving these comments are saying that I am stupid, should never even think about being a physician, and if I do get accepted should turn it down because I would not make a good doctor. Anyways, anyone else getting stuff like this? I'm just about ready to pull my profile from my signature just to stop getting rude comments. And NO I am not complaining, I am just letting off steam. I can truly take critism, I have no problems with getting critical comments. But I really don’t feel that attacking someone’s character counts as constructive critism.
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I realize your passion for wanting to become a physician, but I think that with your history you need to step back for a minute and ask yourself if you can really handle the rigors of medical school. Perhaps you should consider talking with some professors or pre-med advisors about how realistic your chances of an acceptance are. Also, have you considered becoming an RN, NP, or PA? Why does it have to be MD/DO?

I know you said that you worked a lot trying to juggle school with work, but judging by your grades, it seems that you may not know how to study well enough to handle MD/DO degree work.... even if you did gain that miracle acceptance, you want to think about whether or not you should matriculate now... judging by your numbers, I would say that you need to work on some more efficient and effective study skills and learn how to do better on standardized tests.

With that being said, DO NOT TAKE THE MCAT AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY NAILING IT-- by this I mean at least in the high 20's, low 30's. Your gpa is going to be hard to make up, and you "failed" the mcat once. Don't let it happen again. Or, if you do take the test and feel really bad about it, just void it for God's sake. You cannot afford another low mcat score.

You said that you know what some of the workups are for certain conditions and that you know how to read an xray and so forth. I think that's great; other fields do these things too and have programs that are less difficult to gain acceptance and get through than medicine.
 
silas2642 said:
I realize your passion for wanting to become a physician, but I think that with your history you need to step back for a minute and ask yourself if you can really handle the rigors of medical school. Perhaps you should consider talking with some professors or pre-med advisors about how realistic your chances of an acceptance are. Also, have you considered becoming an RN, NP, or PA? Why does it have to be MD/DO?

I know you said that you worked a lot trying to juggle school with work, but judging by your grades, it seems that you may not know how to study well enough to handle MD/DO degree work.... even if you did gain that miracle acceptance, you want to think about whether or not you should matriculate now... judging by your numbers, I would say that you need to work on some more efficient and effective study skills and learn how to do better on standardized tests.

With that being said, DO NOT TAKE THE MCAT AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY NAILING IT-- by this I mean at least in the high 20's, low 30's. Your gpa is going to be hard to make up, and you "failed" the mcat once. Don't let it happen again. Or, if you do take the test and feel really bad about it, just void it for God's sake. You cannot afford another low mcat score.

You said that you know what some of the workups are for certain conditions and that you know how to read an xray and so forth. I think that's great; other fields do these things too and have programs that are less difficult to gain acceptance and get through than medicine.
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There is some really good advice in here. Don't take the MCAT again until the low end of your practice scores are on par with what you feel is a required score for you. I took the test 3 times and only the third time did I follow this rule. Before I thought that I could reach my average but wound up with my lowest scores from any practice tests.

As for premed advisors......some know about as much about medical school admissions as my 5 year old daughter. :laugh: Medical students and doctors alike that were told by their respective advisors that medical school would never be an option for them are a dime a dozen.

However, it may take awhile. Many people here an SDN have had a long road to where they are now, but they are there. You know what you need to do. If you truly have the passion for it, then go and do it. :luck:
 
I do have a plan if I dont get in this year. I have started studying for the MCAT, I will be taking it in June or July, hopefully June. I am going to study on my own this time, I took Kaplan the last two times, apparently it was not working for me. I have applied to the one year MS in premedical sciences program with basically unconditional admission if you get an excellant GPA in it at UNTHSC. This is a competitive program, although they want to let in students that have lower than average stats. So I also applied to a guaranteed Masters program in Microbiology and Immunology starting in Fall 07. I will probably still work in the hospital if I get into the Micro program, but very very part time. I knew that it was a long shot this year, and maybe as others have said I am wasting time and money, but you never know unless you try so I decided to give it my best shot this year. Next cycle if I dont get in then I will go ahead and get my masters and try again. I am prepared to try until I am 30 (I am 24 now) and if I dont get in by then I will go PA, work for a few years and keep trying. I am just not the type of person who gives up on something just because it seems out of reach.
 
Good luck noshie! I highly recommend that you check out the Examkrackers MCAT review books. I had several other ones, but once I happily stumbled onto Examkracker, I put a curse on all the others and buried them in my neighbors backyard.








(And I can still hear them scream....)
 
noshie said:
I do have a plan if I dont get in this year. I have started studying for the MCAT, I will be taking it in June or July, hopefully June. I am going to study on my own this time, I took Kaplan the last two times, apparently it was not working for me. I have applied to the one year MS in premedical sciences program with basically unconditional admission if you get an excellant GPA in it at UNTHSC. This is a competitive program, although they want to let in students that have lower than average stats. So I also applied to a guaranteed Masters program in Microbiology and Immunology starting in Fall 07. I will probably still work in the hospital if I get into the Micro program, but very very part time. I knew that it was a long shot this year, and maybe as others have said I am wasting time and money, but you never know unless you try so I decided to give it my best shot this year. Next cycle if I dont get in then I will go ahead and get my masters and try again. I am prepared to try until I am 30 (I am 24 now) and if I dont get in by then I will go PA, work for a few years and keep trying. I am just not the type of person who gives up on something just because it seems out of reach.
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It sounds like you have a good plan and the right attitude! I hope everything works out for you.:luck: 🙂
 
oh noshie!! i have similar stats to you, which is why i haven't posted my MDAPP's profile on here. my low GPA is due to tons of B's (although there are some C's which i've been retaking), not lots of D's or F's like others might think. my MCAT is low too, and i studied with kaplan also, and just felt i couldnt get it right!

i applied this for cycle too, knowing its a long shot. my top pick is NYCOM, which is why i am currently in a master's program there, trying to make as many connections as i can!

for me, my plan B is to finish the masters, and to retake the MCAT if need be, and then reapply.

i think we are being smart to apply, because you never know! maybe a school needs to fill a certain niche spot (like ShyRem mentioned), it could be us! and if not, we know we tried, and we work harder to get our stats up, and we'll get in next round.

so here's my MDapps to make you feel better 😉

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=5663
 
toothless rufus said:
Good luck noshie! I highly recommend that you check out the Examkrackers MCAT review books. I had several other ones, but once I happily stumbled onto Examkracker, I put a curse on all the others and buried them in my neighbors backyard.








(And I can still hear them scream....)
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i teach the kaplan class now, so i suggest kaplan😀
 
noshie said:
Now this is the kind of critism I want to see. I dont feel that saying that is mean, its not a personal attack, it is just your opinion about my situation. I dont want anyone to sugar coat anything, I would like to know what people think of me, if I didnt I would not be on here and I would have never put my MDaps profile up in the first place. I just think that too many people are being hurtful and not helpful with their comments. I was going to erase the bad comments, but I decided that I would keep them just so others can see what kinds of things are posted. I feel like I would be being a big baby if I just erased peoples comments just because I dont like them. I totally agree with you, my MCAT score is just not enough for this cycle. I will be retaking in June.
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Okay, cool. I agree that people are being mean, which happens on SDN. I was just going to suggest that special masters program at UNT, but it seems like you're already on top of that one. :luck:

BTW, your kitten is very cute. Is it yours? 🙂
 
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exlawgrrl said:
Okay, cool. I agree that people are being mean, which happens on SDN. I was just going to suggest that special masters program at UNT, but it seems like you're already on top of that one. :luck:

BTW, your kitten is very cute. Is it yours? 🙂
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No it is not my kitten, I got it off of a website, I wish it was though. My kitty is very cute too, its a yellow and white persian cat. Everyone thinks he looks like Garfield. Your cat avatar looks just like my fiances kitty, like exactly, I like the eyes on yours.
 
First of all:
- DONT GIVE UP!! YOU CAN GET INTO MED SCHOOL with a 3.1 (ie. Carribean)!!!

SECOND:
- You need to retake the MCAT, make sure you do well on it the 2nd time, try "EXAMCRACKERS" and "PRINCETON REVIEW."

Third:
-I know your defending yourself against these a$$oh0les in the comments they write, but ur way too over-confident. You need to underestand a few things:
A). You don't need to proove to anyone anything, but yourself.
B). Although your medical experience such as working in the hospital, underestanding X-rays, diseases, etc is GREAT, it doesn't mean you will do well in med-school. Your low GPA should be a red flag and or a learning experience for working harder and improving your memory. You may be working too many hours during ur study time, that can cause a downfall in your grades. In med-school your competing for residency so make sure you can memorize in order to get the field you like! (memorization the KEY lol).
C). Underestand that an uncarying doctor whose only goal is to treat disease rather than the patient is much of a better doctor for various reasons that i'm much too lazy to write here. If you want to become a doctor ONLY because you feel sorry for people with diseases (which is big of you really) it's not going to help you become a better doctor whatsoever, even with your incentive.

Fourth:
GOOD LUCK TO YOU! YOU WILL GET IN!!!

I hope this helps! - Mike 👍
 
I personally hate it when people call other people trolls on here...its so 6th grade

Oh no, maybe im a troll for saything that 😱

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ43RhMyKN0[/YOUTUBE]
 
make sure you absolutely kiss up to your premed advisor, u dont want 3 strikes against you.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
That's why I affectionately call pre-allo "The Thunderdome"
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LOL, when I read this I thought of the movie "Waiting"

"WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME B!TCH!!" Classic.

**shows Drop Kick the "bat-wing" followed by "the goat" :laugh:

Ok, back to physio. :laugh:
 
noshie said:
So I posted my MD applicants profile for this cycle and at first I was getting really encouraging comments, but then I started going over to the Allo side to read stuff and started getting very hateful rude comments. Anyways what is up with that? I mean they weren't just like "try again this year, your stats suck." These people leaving these comments are saying that I am stupid, should never even think about being a physician, and if I do get accepted should turn it down because I would not make a good doctor. Anyways, anyone else getting stuff like this? I'm just about ready to pull my profile from my signature just to stop getting rude comments. And NO I am not complaining, I am just letting off steam. I can truly take critism, I have no problems with getting critical comments. But I really don't feel that attacking someone's character counts as constructive critism.
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mdapps profiles always struck me as a potential target practice for these *****s. Try to not let it bug you, noshie. There ARE a lot of jerks on SDN pre-allo and the allo forums, too. These aren't the people that are honest, who offer you down to earth, practical input, these are the people who disagree with you or don't like your suggestions and can't leave well enough alone - and they have to add in some caustic personal criticism to cut people down in order to build themselves up in their own tiny, narrow minds. Think of 'em as bugs splatting on the windshield. Gross, and then you wipe them off and their value was inconsequential!

It seems to me that last year's pre allo regulars were by far a much cooler crowd than this year's... The pre osteo crowd is ALWAYS cooler...
 
So this was the last post I got:

"ugh don't you get it? we ARE being supportive - by telling you that medicine is not for you!! why would you want to be stuck in a career that will make you miserable? or, if it doesn't make you miserable, makes your *patients* miserable because you're so inept? seriously, you're NOT CUT OUT FOR MED SCHOOL. find something else! peoples' LIVES ARE ON THE LINE and we have enough problem with healthcare as it is, we need to stop hiring incompetent doctors who barely made it into medical school!"


I would like to discuss this posting. What is the deal with people thinking that grades have anything to do with being smart? It has very little to do with being smart and it has alot to do with time management and understanding how to approach the technicality of the tests format. I admit that I am absolutely a B student. I have never made any D's and have less then 10 C's (mostly business classes, only 2 science classes). I have to say that when you get out of medical school you only know the basics. That is when you go out and learn by using hands on experience to gain knowledge. I am a hands on person for sure. I am not completely "book smart" but I am much smarter then many of the people I have met that are book smart. I am overly confident because I have to be, I don't think anyone would take an unconfident person seriously. I am half book smart and half life smart. I like it that way honestly, I would rather be both then ignore my surroundings and just gain all of my knowledge from reading and memorizing. In my experience with doctors they are not the "all knowing gods" that everyone makes them out to be. They know what they need to know and they are aware that they will always be able to look for the rest if they need to in books, internet or by asking other docs. Everyday I have to google crap for the doctors I work with, and most of them graduated in the top of their med school classes. About 80% of the time they tell me "I have no clue what is wrong with this patient, just make it up." It does not mean that someone is going to die just because someone does not know exactly what is going on with them. Most of the time people don't die instantly when there is no trauma involved, sometimes you have to make a split second decision, but you get the ability to make these decisions by practice not by reading it in a book. Besides, technology and medicine change rapidly, there is no way for anyone to be able to keep up. It's like calculus, yeah on the test you memorize the formulas, but when you go out and get a job you can just look them up. I don't think that having a 3.0 makes you stupid. I am not going to beat myself up for not having incredible grades. I can't change that, I can only look forward. I appreciate all of the advice posted here, Its very helpful. Thank you for not kicking me when I am down.
 
noshie said:
So this was the last post I got:

"ugh don't you get it? we ARE being supportive - by telling you that medicine is not for you!! why would you want to be stuck in a career that will make you miserable? or, if it doesn't make you miserable, makes your *patients* miserable because you're so inept? seriously, you're NOT CUT OUT FOR MED SCHOOL. find something else! peoples' LIVES ARE ON THE LINE and we have enough problem with healthcare as it is, we need to stop hiring incompetent doctors who barely made it into medical school!"


I would like to discuss this posting. What is the deal with people thinking that grades have anything to do with being smart? It has very little to do with being smart and it has alot to do with time management and understanding how to approach the technicality of the tests format. I admit that I am absolutely a B student. I have never made any D's and have less then 10 C's (mostly business classes, only 2 science classes). I have to say that when you get out of medical school you only know the basics. That is when you go out and learn by using hands on experience to gain knowledge. I am a hands on person for sure. I am not completely "book smart" but I am much smarter then many of the people I have met that are book smart. I am overly confident because I have to be, I don't think anyone would take an unconfident person seriously. I am half book smart and half life smart. I like it that way honestly, I would rather be both then ignore my surroundings and just gain all of my knowledge from reading and memorizing. In my experience with doctors they are not the "all knowing gods" that everyone makes them out to be. They know what they need to know and they are aware that they will always be able to look for the rest if they need to in books, internet or by asking other docs. Everyday I have to google crap for the doctors I work with, and most of them graduated in the top of their med school classes. About 80% of the time they tell me "I have no clue what is wrong with this patient, just make it up." It does not mean that someone is going to die just because someone does not know exactly what is going on with them. Most of the time people don't die instantly when there is no trauma involved, sometimes you have to make a split second decision, but you get the ability to make these decisions by practice not by reading it in a book. Besides, technology and medicine change rapidly, there is no way for anyone to be able to keep up. It's like calculus, yeah on the test you memorize the formulas, but when you go out and get a job you can just look them up. I don't think that having a 3.0 makes you stupid. I am not going to beat myself up for not having incredible grades. I can't change that, I can only look forward. I appreciate all of the advice posted here, Its very helpful. Thank you for not kicking me when I am down.
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honestly, if youre gonna go around posting your mdapps to the sdn world, i dont understand why you even posted this thread, or even this final post ... yes, u have a low gpa and a low mcat, now improve it. talkin bout how ppl low blow you isnt gonna make 1 difference. if u think u can only look forward, then quit stickin in the past with all those irrelavent comments ...
 
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Noshie, you made many good points that for better or worse do indeed reflect much of the reality of medicine, but there are hoops to jump through that are not going to go away, so if this is what you want to do, then you know what you need to do. Use this to make you stronger, and do not give up until you get what you want, or until you decide you no longer want what you were trying to get. Good luck!
 
noshie said:
So I posted my MD applicants profile for this cycle and at first I was getting really encouraging comments, but then I started going over to the Allo side to read stuff and started getting very hateful rude comments. Anyways what is up with that? I mean they weren’t just like "try again this year, your stats suck." These people leaving these comments are saying that I am stupid, should never even think about being a physician, and if I do get accepted should turn it down because I would not make a good doctor. Anyways, anyone else getting stuff like this? I'm just about ready to pull my profile from my signature just to stop getting rude comments. And NO I am not complaining, I am just letting off steam. I can truly take critism, I have no problems with getting critical comments. But I really don’t feel that attacking someone’s character counts as constructive critism.
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Two suggestions:

1) Work on your stats as others have already suggested. Figure out what has prevented you from getting good grades/doing well on the MCAT in the past, and fix those problems (ex. study habits, personal issues, whatever) so that you can turn your attention to your studies.

2) It's your profile. You can make any gratuitously nasty comments go away with one click of the "unapprove" button. Use it liberally.

Best of luck to you.
 
Q, i've been seeing ur posts since this cycle...and i love ur comments...so to the pt and practical...

I agree with Q....getting into med school is all about game....sure u might be a better doctor than others who have less competitive stats then u....but u have many hoops to jump through first...say u do get in...u gotta take the uslme or comlex, then u have residency interviews, and then fellowship....not to mention all sorts of certification all throughout ur career.

So i think that is just better if you take some time, as you have planned, and just better learn the system of test taking. Even getting a 21 like shyrem is saying is sufficient.

As far as GPA, u could prob be fine and get into the caribbean....actually u could that with ur mcat score too right now...it just wouldn't be a well known/renowned school, but then this means that later on u might have problems with rotations, residency, and licensing.

In this way, ur plans are good. Like the saying goes, where there is a will, there is a way, and if you really want to be doctor, there is not stopping you. You've got ur future plans to take the mcat. I would suggest that you also take some upper level science classes, which you said you might do with the master's program...great idea. Bring ur gpa up just a minimum of .2 pts. It would great up at 3.5 or higher, and like i said, a 21 or above on the MCAT. Also, I suggest waiting a little longer to take the MCAT again. No matter what people say, upper level science classes do help. See if you can take those classes first, and arrange your studying habits by being consistent and stuyding everyday. Arrange your notes really nicely. (I feel notes really define how well you understand material and many times how well you do in class.) Once you do all of this in the next yr u'll be set.

So, go with ur hopes up this yr....and look forward to next yr...and dont worry about the ppl on here. Some believe a 27 on the MCAT is bad. Don't let them affect you. 🙂
You gotta just smile and jump through the hoops.


QofQuimica said:
Two suggestions:

1) Work on your stats as others have already suggested. Figure out what has prevented you from getting good grades/doing well on the MCAT in the past, and fix those problems (ex. study habits, personal issues, whatever) so that you can turn your attention to your studies.

2) It's your profile. You can make any gratuitously nasty comments go away with one click of the "unapprove" button. Use it liberally.

Best of luck to you.
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Mr_Bihari said:
So, go with ur hopes up this yr....and look forward to next yr...and dont worry about the ppl on here. Some believe a 27 on the MCAT is bad. Don't let them affect you. 🙂
You gotta just smile and jump through the hoops.
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Lots of people in pre-allo think a 30 is bad... :laugh:
 
silas2642 said:
even if you did gain that miracle acceptance, you want to think about whether or not you should matriculate now... judging by your numbers, I would say that you need to work on some more efficient and effective study skills and learn how to do better on standardized tests.
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I'm sorry but 👎

How about individuals with qualifications make this assessment and not you. Are you on an admissions commitee? Didn't think so...

If they were to accept noshie, I think that they'd know better than you whether or not their qualification standards were met...

EDIT: This is ridiculous. Who in the hell do all of these premeds think that they are? YOU ARE PREMED, you aren't on an admissions committee! You don't know what constitutes a good medical student. Look at all of that history in medicine and altruism. Noshie, you should have tried harder on the MCAT, but best of luck on your retake and with the rest of this application cycle!
 
drmax said:
I'm sorry but 👎

How about individuals with qualifications make this assessment and not you. Are you on an admissions commitee? Didn't think so...

If they were to accept noshie, I think that they'd know better than you whether or not their qualification standards were met...

EDIT: This is ridiculous. Who in the hell do all of these premeds think that they are? YOU ARE PREMED, you aren't on an admissions committee! You don't know what constitutes a good medical student. Look at all of that history in medicine and altruism. Noshie, you should have tried harder on the MCAT, but best of luck on your retake and with the rest of this application cycle!
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im only gonna say that "all that history in medicine and altruism" wont get you a single acceptance if you dont have the grades AS WELL. pre-med or not ... URM status helps a little, not sure how much in the DO world, but it does help a little in general ... however, med schools cant just take ppl with "all that history in medicine and altruism" because then they most likely would be taking 98% of the premed crowd, not so competitive a process anymore, right? that sounds a tad bit ridiculous ...

im all up for her goin to med school, but im being frank, she needs to quit moaning and groaning about the comments and start working on upping the mcat score BIG TIME ... that is, if she wants to stay in the US.
 
Dr.Inviz said:
...but im being frank, she needs to quit moaning and groaning about the comments and start working on upping the mcat score BIG TIME ... that is, if she wants to stay in the US.
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Ever since Bradenton decided not to interview you, you've been doing a whole lot of moaning, groaning, and complaining as well. You've taken every chance you can to cut down the school. If you are going to keep doing that, how can you not tolerate a little moaning and groaning from someone else?
 
scpod said:
Ever since Bradenton decided not to interview you, you've been doing a whole lot of moaning, groaning, and complaining as well. You've taken every chance you can to cut down the school. If you are going to keep doing that, how can you not tolerate a little moaning and groaning from someone else?
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shut the crap about your lil school. i admit, i was wrong.
 
Dr.Inviz said:
shut the crap about your lil school. i admit, i was wrong.
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Believe it or not, I'm saying this to be helpful. I don't know if you realize it, but it sounds as if you are strolling around this forum with a chip on your shoulder, waiting for someone to knock it off. I've looked at your posts, and a great deal of them are either very negative, or highly sarcastic. I hope that this is only a persona that you use only on anonymous internet boards because it could hurt you greatly in the future. Walking into an interview with a chip on your shoulder is a detriment to you, but walking into a patient care situation like that can hurt your patient tremendously.
 
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scpod said:
Believe it or not, I'm saying this to be helpful. I don't know if you realize it, but it sounds as if you are strolling around this forum with a chip on your shoulder, waiting for someone to knock it off. I've looked at your posts, and a great deal of them are either very negative, or highly sarcastic. I hope that this is only a persona that you use only on anonymous internet boards because it could hurt you greatly in the future. Walking into an interview with a chip on your shoulder is a detriment to you, but walking into a patient care situation like that can hurt your patient tremendously.
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wouldnt that be a comment better suited for a PM? it allows everyone to save face. I love how this thread's title is starting to take on a new meaning.
 
drmax said:
I'm sorry but 👎

How about individuals with qualifications make this assessment and not you. Are you on an admissions commitee? Didn't think so...

If they were to accept noshie, I think that they'd know better than you whether or not their qualification standards were met...

EDIT: This is ridiculous. Who in the hell do all of these premeds think that they are? YOU ARE PREMED, you aren't on an admissions committee! You don't know what constitutes a good medical student. Look at all of that history in medicine and altruism. Noshie, you should have tried harder on the MCAT, but best of luck on your retake and with the rest of this application cycle!
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You got me. I'm not on an admissions committe, but I am in med school. I did well in college and had a solid mcat, and there are still days where I struggle with the sheer volume of the work. I don't know how to tell you this, but you can have all the altruism and desire to do medicine in the world, without the proper study skills and the appropriate background, you're not going to make it through first or second year. I never said that the op wouldn't make a good doctor, what I did say is that based on the evidence that we have now (i.e. grades and mcat scores), she doesn't have the skills to make it through the rigorous curriculum of med school. That doesn't mean she can't obtain these skills. I have never met the op, I don't know how intelligent she is, but I can tell you that gaining an acceptance to a US medical school is going to be very difficult for her right now given her stats.
 
scpod said:
Believe it or not, I'm saying this to be helpful. I don't know if you realize it, but it sounds as if you are strolling around this forum with a chip on your shoulder, waiting for someone to knock it off. I've looked at your posts, and a great deal of them are either very negative, or highly sarcastic. I hope that this is only a persona that you use only on anonymous internet boards because it could hurt you greatly in the future. Walking into an interview with a chip on your shoulder is a detriment to you, but walking into a patient care situation like that can hurt your patient tremendously.
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thank you doctor. glad to know i've got an sdn stalker. how about spendin time doin somethin more important in your wonderful life. glad to know you already have it all figurred out.
 
silas2642 said:
You got me. I'm not on an admissions committe, but I am in med school. I did well in college and had a solid mcat, and there are still days where I struggle with the sheer volume of the work. I don't know how to tell you this, but you can have all the altruism and desire to do medicine in the world, without the proper study skills and the appropriate background, you're not going to make it through first or second year. I never said that the op wouldn't make a good doctor, what I did say is that based on the evidence that we have now (i.e. grades and mcat scores), she doesn't have the skills to make it through the rigorous curriculum of med school. That doesn't mean she can't obtain these skills. I have never met the op, I don't know how intelligent she is, but I can tell you that gaining an acceptance to a US medical school is going to be very difficult for her right now given her stats.
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i tend to agree on this evaluation.
 
silas2642 said:
You got me. I'm not on an admissions committe, but I am in med school. I did well in college and had a solid mcat, and there are still days where I struggle with the sheer volume of the work. I don't know how to tell you this, but you can have all the altruism and desire to do medicine in the world, without the proper study skills and the appropriate background, you're not going to make it through first or second year. I never said that the op wouldn't make a good doctor, what I did say is that based on the evidence that we have now (i.e. grades and mcat scores), she doesn't have the skills to make it through the rigorous curriculum of med school. That doesn't mean she can't obtain these skills. I have never met the op, I don't know how intelligent she is, but I can tell you that gaining an acceptance to a US medical school is going to be very difficult for her right now given her stats.
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that's a reasonable assertion. however, I think what drmax was saying is that an adcom is much better at determining that AND they will actually meet the OP before they accept him or her. Therefore, if the adcom decides to accept that individual, then why should he/she think about not matriculating? That's a little crazy. We just don't like seeing people on their high horses around here I guess.
 
It seems to me that most level headed people, be they applicants, current students, or others, understand that while it takes more than good or great numbers on grades & test scores to make a great physician, it also takes more than intention, desire & good will.

So, noshie, you know - you have to ignore both extremes in comments, really. The blind cheerleaders that are all about the "everything else but numbers" don't help, and neither do the nasty nay-sayers that assume you just can't cut it based on numbers alone.

It's pretty clear to most of us that lots of people that are perfectly capable of making great physicians don't necessarily get accepted to medical school. As do some people that probably shouldn't and don't make great physicians but play their cards right. It's not an exact science, this selection process.

Many more people are able to jump through all the hoops to get accepted than there are spaces for in schools. Some of the hoops are easy to find and get through, others are less easy, and some seem to be in random spaces we may find and we may not find, depending on the school! :laugh:
 
DRKUBA said:
that's a reasonable assertion. however, I think what drmax was saying is that an adcom is much better at determining that AND they will actually meet the OP before they accept him or her. Therefore, if the adcom decides to accept that individual, then why should he/she think about not matriculating? That's a little crazy. We just don't like seeing people on their high horses around here I guess.
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if the adcoms accept her, then she should go. however, thats the issue, i dont think they would ... has she even received an interview or interview invite yet?
 
Dr.Inviz said:
... has she even received an interview or interview invite yet?
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Interviews and invitations don't mean a thing. Until you have a few acceptances under your belt, I don't think anyone's going to be looking at you for expert advice. However, I would say you know something about interview rejections. You have had experience there, haven't you?
 
doc2010 said:
Interviews and invitations don't mean a thing. Until you have a few acceptances under your belt, I don't think anyone's going to be looking at you for expert advice. However, I would say you know something about interview rejections. You have had experience there, haven't you?
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👎 c'mon, i mean I've done it before too, but leave out the personal attacks and be more professional.
 
doc2010 said:
Interviews and invitations don't mean a thing. Until you have a few acceptances under your belt, I don't think anyone's going to be looking at you for expert advice. However, I would say you know something about interview rejections. You have had experience there, haven't you?
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nope ... im guessing you have though, correct? 😉

your reading comprehension must be close to zero, seeing how I was asking the OP if she had any invites for interviews yet ....
 
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