Medical School: 24 MCAT and "B" Average

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bertbacharat said:
How do those premedical Post-bac and Masters programs work where students who are accepted can maintain a "B" average and score a 24 on the MCAT, then be accepted into medical school?

I've have met and talked to several people in these types of programs, but don't understand how they work? I mean it seems those stats are too low for medical school. Are these the stats to apply to the programs? Then you have to increase your score to apply to medical school?
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You have a 3.0/24? Are you opposed to D.O. schools?
 
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bertbacharat said:
Here is the deal: I teach a class for Kaplan and I have many students from SUNY upstate come through my class telling me they are going to be going to get there MD there if they get greater than a 24 on the MCAT and maintain a "B" average.
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😱 That makes me scared to get treated by someone from Upstate.
 
bertbacharat said:
Currently I go to NYU school of medicine so this is not for me.

Here is the deal: I teach a class for Kaplan and I have many students from SUNY upstate come through my class telling me they are going to be going to get an MD there if they get greater than a 24 on the MCAT and maintain a "B" average. Am I missing something? I have had too many people tell me this so somethings up. Anyways apparently these programs even have scholarships.

The above is exactly how the program is described by 4-5 different students in different classes.
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Little off-topic, but I gotta ask; you work and attend Medical School? I always heard that's impossible, apparently you found a balance.. how do you do it?
 
bertbacharat said:
I am not saying anyone is not qualified with those scores. Maybe you need stellar SAT scores?

I might have to get more info in my next class.
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im a mcat teacher too. i think the deal is that if you pay for a 1-2 year post-bac program (50-100k), then they are like whatever
 
It could be possible that they are in a BS/MD program that they were accepted into directly out of high school. They have program requirements which sound almost exactly like the stats you describe, a 3.0/24.
 
I tried googling to see if I could find a program at Upstate with those requirements, but haven't found anything.

I know SUNY Upstate has an early assurance program and several BS/MD programs, but to my knowledge they do not require the MCAT.
 
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bertbacharat said:
You're right. WTF?

http://www.drexelmed.edu/Home/Acade.../DrexelPathwaytoMedicalSchoolDPMSProgram.aspx

A 20 MCAT and 2.75 GPA and you're a doc. Good thing I got that high MCAT score and a 3.8 just for kicks, seriously.
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i dont really mind. its an extra 40k + interest + the med school loans

they still have to pass board exams, and be good doctors to make their money. paying back those loans will be a *itch. they will have to work harder during practice, which is really all that matters.

as students, i know we get caught up in which school/gpa/mcat and all that. but money goes far in real life.
 
bertbacharat said:
Some students are shooting only for a 24 b/c that's what they need to get in. I would like an answer to know if this is true. What exactly is SUNY Upstate guaranteeing with a 24 MCAT an interview or an acceptance? I find it hard to believe people in the program making a mistake on this aspect though. All say MCAT 24=MD
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Are you still asking a question that has essentially been answered?

If you don't think it's one of the options outlined above and they have graduated and still think they only need a 24 MCAT to get into Upstate, you could always go with a really crazy, novel approach... Ask them... 🙄
 
I would agree that it is probably a BS/MD program. I know NEOUCOM's BS/MD program requires a 24/3.0 for matriculation (with some doing much better and some failing to meet the requirement, thus being kicked out of the program).
 
Loyola (Chicago) has one where you do a 1 year MPH and have a grad GPA of 3.5 and a certain MCAT. I think it's a 28 but not sure.
 
I also speculate BS/MD program, in which case they've already been identified as overachievers in HS.
 
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So there are a couple of *****s posting here. I am an Upstate graduate and I also taught MCAT for Kaplan (I probably even know the arrogant peach...at least by face...that made the original post). The program that is being questioned is a special program for people who are traditionally under-represented in the medical field. It is by invitation only. As someone else said, you still have to pass all the classes at Upstate (not easy), and do well on the boards....
 
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Orange Man said:
So there are a couple of *****s posting here. I am an Upstate graduate and I also taught MCAT for Kaplan (I probably even know the arrogant peach at least my face that made the original post). The program that is being questioned is a special program for people who are traditionally under-represented in the medical field. It is by invitation only. As someone else said, you still have to pass all the classes at Upstate (not easy), and do well on the boards....
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Not quite sure why you brought this back from the dead; did you actually think that mentioning the program was a) by invitation only and b) only provided to URM would make people more sympathetic to said program?
 
greatnt249 said:
Not quite sure why you brought this back from the dead; did you actually think that mentioning the program was a) by invitation only and b) only provided to URM would make people more sympathetic to said program?
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No and no. I just noticed this thread, and felt compelled to provide more information, as requested. I could care less what you think.
 
Orange Man said:
No and no. I just noticed this thread, and felt compelled to provide more information, as requested. I could care less what you think.
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It's not about what I think. You referred to a couple of posters as *****s, and then went on to talk about how the program is "invitation only for URM." Such information isn't exactly going to garner an "oh yeah, that seems reasonable" response given the lower entrance qualifications.
 
greatnt249 said:
It's not about what I think. You referred to a couple of posters as *****s, and then went on to talk about how the program is "invitation only for URM." Such information isn't exactly going to garner an "oh yeah, that seems reasonable" response given the lower entrance qualifications.
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I actually said "people who are traditionally under-represented in the medical field", but I guess people over-interpret and see what they wanted to see....
 
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edit: forget this post...
I thought you quoted me Milkman and I got confused..
doh! or better known as apparently I can't read
 
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Orange Man said:
I actually said "people who are traditionally under-represented in the medical field", but I guess people over-interpret and see what they wanted to see....
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Under-represented minorities in medicine...how exactly did you not pick up on this? See, you can complain that's not what you meant all you want, but it's your fault for using incorrect terminology if the message you conveyed was not interpreted correctly.

PS I'm not a woman.
 
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