Medicare for anesthesiologists 65 or older

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Which insurance do you have at age 65 and over?

  • Group insurance through employer

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Traditional Medicare plus Medigap

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Medicare Advantage

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Drwine

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Reaching out to both working physicians 65 and older. Obviously signing up for Medicare part A is an easy decision. If you re working do you keep the same insurance? Or did you sign up for the other parts of Medicare and buy a Medigap supplement? Or did you sign up for a Medicare Advantage plan? Thoughts on the pros and cons of each choice?
 
Depending on where you live and physician saturation Medicare can significantly restrict any outpatient access you might need so be cognizant of that.
Really? Places would turn down Medicare? I’ve never heard of any places turning down Medicare patients. But that’s just my experience. They turn down Medicaid.
 
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Most practices in my area including speciality and primary care won't take new Medicare. Only the county safety net clinic is taking Medicare. Region dependent.
Interesting. The majority of the total joints are medicare pts. If orthopods aren't taking medicare pts, do they have enough patients?
 
Interesting. The majority of the total joints are medicare pts. If orthopods aren't taking medicare pts, do they have enough patients?
They dont give a **** because they're Ortho and get to bill 50 rvu an hour. Internist clinics can't survive on CMS rvus so assuming the market isnt saturated will make referentially kick CMS off the panel.
 
They dont give a **** because they're Ortho and get to bill 50 rvu an hour. Internist clinics can't survive on CMS rvus so assuming the market isnt saturated will make referentially kick CMS off the panel.
Sad state of affairs - in my area we’ve seen this, every semi-reputable internist stops taking Medicare and may even go concierge once they’ve become established. If you have Medicare or bad insurance you’re left with a revolving door of new grad primary docs.
 
Sad state of affairs - in my area we’ve seen this, every semi-reputable internist stops taking Medicare and may even go concierge once they’ve become established. If you have Medicare or bad insurance you’re left with a revolving door of new grad primary docs.
Gets worse every year they keep dropping the conversion factor while staff salaries go up. Part of a plan to drive private practices in to extinction but in reality just makes Medicare a nonexistent insurance benefit.
 
They dont give a **** because they're Ortho and get to bill 50 rvu an hour. Internist clinics can't survive on CMS rvus so assuming the market isnt saturated will make referentially kick CMS off the panel.
Interesting

My area 80% of primary care has been purchased by the big hospital systems including peds and IM.

80% of the specialist (cardiologists, GI, ortho, general surgery) are also employed by the hospital system

The hospitals take everyone including Medicare advantage for office patients and don’t turn down anyone.
 
Isn’t medicare acceptance a must if you bill as non-profit w tax exemption or if you are a hospital system that receives federal funding (large regional centers)?

I think many health care systems might go under if they don’t accept medicare.

Concierge services have been very prominent in my part of the universe.
 
Check out IRMAA: Medicare income related adjustment amount. You medicare premium could exceed your existing private insurance. You could easily have an IRMAA of $440/month on top of your medicare premium of $185/month. Total medicare with IRMAA=>$625/month or $7500 per year. If you have a spouce you can double that $15,000 per year. So you should compare your current policy coverage and cost to medicare coverage at $15,000 per year. Also, if you take medicare you can no longer contribute to an HSA.
 
Gonna to be tricky
Check out IRMAA: Medicare income related adjustment amount. You medicare premium could exceed your existing private insurance. You could easily have an IRMAA of $440/month on top of your medicare premium of $185/month. Total medicare with IRMAA=>$625/month or $7500 per year. If you have a spouce you can double that $15,000 per year. So you should compare your current policy coverage and cost to medicare coverage at $15,000 per year. Also, if you take medicare you can no longer contribute to an HSA.
”The term "Obama Medicare Part B surcharge" likely refers to the income-related monthly adjustment amount (IRMAA) for Medicare Part B premiums, which became more prevalent during his administration and was influenced by legislation passed during his time in office, such as the
Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. This surcharge is an extra premium paid by Medicare beneficiaries with higher incomes to help fund the program. ”

Man. I love to bash Obama on healthcare cost for us. HENRY. Guess you gave me the opportunity to do it again
 
Isn’t medicare acceptance a must if you bill as non-profit w tax exemption or if you are a hospital system that receives federal funding (large regional centers)?

I think many health care systems might go under if they don’t accept medicare.

Concierge services have been very prominent in my part of the universe.
Idk about everywhere but I think most states allow physicians to refuse to accept a new patient for just about any reason from inappropriate referral to I don't like their insurance. You can still accept medicare but just not take new patients (you still have to take care of people you already started caring for though unless you send a letter kicking them out of clinic).
 
Idk about everywhere but I think most states allow physicians to refuse to accept a new patient for just about any reason from inappropriate referral to I don't like their insurance. You can still accept medicare but just not take new patients (you still have to take care of people you already started caring for though unless you send a letter kicking them out of clinic).
Yes. For the private practice u can take or reject whoever u want.

But many docs are employed by non profits 501c. I don’t think 501c can refuse to take Medicare patients. Is it possible for a 501c to refuse a Medicare part b insurance outpatient when they own a primary care practice they took over?
 
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1. Talk with your HR person at your place of employment.
2. Traditional Medicare with a Medigap plan- If you are working this will be a substantial monthly payment due to IRMAA. IRMAA is based on income earned 2 years prior to when you start medicare. This is how IRMAA is calculated every year (uses your income from 2 years prior).
You will also need a Part D plan ($150) as well as a Medigap plan ($220 per month or so).
3. Private Insurance through your employer

Go look at your costs for IRMAA,Part D and a Medigap plan. I bet you stay with number 3 until your retire or healthcare is no longer offered by your employer. My HR dept. recommends everyone sign up for Part A at age 65 regardless of insurance type.

 
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I am looking at roughly $900 per month per person for Traditional Medicare, Part D and a Medigap plan. So for a couple that is $1,800 per month plus deductibles. The deductibles add another $2,600-$3,6000 per year. Total cost for me (married) Up TO $26,000 per year. That's what I need to budget for healthcare at retirement. Of course there are annual increases every year as well. After several years of being retired Irmaa costs drop significantly but I am always looking at IRMAA in the third bracket due to Roth Conversions. Every single dollar you earn even from Municipal bond funds counts towards IRMAA. For those planning on an early retirement you must calculate the cost of healthcare into your budget.

My private Insurance with very low Co-Pays and ZERO Deductible is $23,000 per year for a married couple. This is through my private employer where I pay 100% of the costs.

The Medicare Payment system is set up like a progressive socialist system that rewards those who paid little into the system and punishes those who paid massive Medicare taxes their entire lives.
 
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This is why I prefer my private insurance plan until I can no longer qualify for it. PGG can now calculate the value of his retired, low cost ex-military Tri-Care as another valuable perk from his years of service.
 
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All this has me thinking. I had federal service many years ago already vested. Short 5 years in the system. But vested in fers. I was planning to stop full time in 3 years at age 54. I don’t think age 65 qualifies for ACA exchanges.

Maybe I should go back and be some low level employee at any federal job at age 61 and work for 12 months and do an immediate retirement and get healthcare fully subsidized for life.

We really need universal healthcare.

Im sure the next step is to try charge Medicare part A extra surcharge based on income as well. That’s gonna to happen before universal healthcare.

Or maybe this is another reason to try to convert as much retirement account into Roth as early as possible to show as little income as we can in retirement. The govt is already basing Medicare part b/d on income. I based my retirement on spending around 300-400k a year post tax at least for the first 10 years. Who knows how long I will live age 54-65. It’s hard to predict at this point. But healthcare cost will play a huge factor as I age.
 
We really need universal healthcare.

Im sure the next step is to try charge Medicare part A extra surcharge based on income as well. That’s gonna to happen before universal healthcare.
I cannot conceive of a universal healthcare that will cost people with physician incomes less than the current one, even in retirement. It would come with less headaches hopefully.

This has been an eye-opening read, I’m not close to 65 but looks like it’s never too early to start planning. Maybe my spouse or I should go work at the VA.
 
I cannot conceive of a universal healthcare that will cost people with physician incomes less than the current one, even in retirement. It would come with less headaches hopefully.

This has been an eye-opening read, I’m not close to 65 but looks like it’s never too early to start planning. Maybe my spouse or I should go work at the VA.
The VA is best for docs around age 57. Do ur 5 years and take the immediate retirement. The healthcare in retirement is worth almost as much as the 5 year “pension” pay out.

5 years pension is worth around 15k a year (which is not much considering you are giving up around 200k of real income these days based on the average anesthesia job paying 550k a year with min calls.

Healthcare is worth at min 10k a year maybe 15k a yes.
 
I cannot conceive of a universal healthcare that will cost people with physician incomes less than the current one, even in retirement. It would come with less headaches hopefully.

This has been an eye-opening read, I’m not close to 65 but looks like it’s never too early to start planning. Maybe my spouse or I should go work at the VA.
The point behind my posts is that if you want to retire at age 55 or 60 then you must bridge the gap until Medicare. This gap means COBRA or the Obamacare exchange so plan accordingly for the costs. I chose to use my employer based healthcare plan while working part time. My colleagues have reduced their status to 0.5 FTE so they can stay on the employer plan until age 65. With careful planning you can reduce your IRMAA costs to level 2 or level 3 depending on your income and Roth conversions. Every single dollar earned counts towards IRMAA. Every capital gain, every dividend, every dollar of interest including municipal bond interest and even social security income all count towards IRMAA calculations.
There are investors out there planning on living off interest and dividends for example. Their marginal tax rate is low but NOT their IRMAA calculated income. Finally, IRMAA is calculated using your income from 2 years prior so at age 67 CMS will be using your tax return from age 65.

A good retirement plan must include healthcare and long term care costs. For many of you this means a much bigger bucket of money to draw upon for the remainder of your life.
 
I cannot conceive of a universal healthcare that will cost people with physician incomes less than the current one, even in retirement. It would come with less headaches hopefully.
We would merely need to replicate the system of any OECD country (other than the USA) for the answer. Last I checked about 50% of healthcare costs were funneled to middle-men. We could get rid of all of them for a start.

But realistically, yes I don't see much change in our personal cost in the future.
 
We would merely need to replicate the system of any OECD country (other than the USA) for the answer. Last I checked about 50% of healthcare costs were funneled to middle-men. We could get rid of all of them for a start.

But realistically, yes I don't see much change in our personal cost in the future.
Too many hands in the cookie jar.

Like I said the yearly defense and Healhcare costs account for 40% of then annual budget.

Everyone focus on gdp this and gdp that. I focus on annual budget.

Neither side wants to address these two 1 trillion dollar a year each gorilla in the room.
 
Too many hands in the cookie jar.

Like I said the yearly defense and Healhcare costs account for 40% of then annual budget.

Everyone focus on gdp this and gdp that. I focus on annual budget.

Neither side wants to address these two 1 trillion dollar a year each gorilla in the room.
Speaking of which - I just saw that the wealth held by the top 0.1% in the USA is 23.3 trillion USD. Which is to say that there's plenty of money out there to solve the trillion dollar problems. It's just hoarded by Elon and friends, and is relatively untaxed.
 
Speaking of which - I just saw that the wealth held by the top 0.1% in the USA is 23.3 trillion USD. Which is to say that there's plenty of money out there to solve the trillion dollar problems. It's just hoarded by Elon and friends, and is relatively untaxed.
Nah.

Take away the 23 trillion which gets taxed anyways. U buy urself a few years

Than what will u do??
All that money is gone

Who else will u take money away from than??

Socialism works when everyone contributes
 
Check out IRMAA: Medicare income related adjustment amount. You medicare premium could exceed your existing private insurance. You could easily have an IRMAA of $440/month on top of your medicare premium of $185/month. Total medicare with IRMAA=>$625/month or $7500 per year. If you have a spouce you can double that $15,000 per year. So you should compare your current policy coverage and cost to medicare coverage at $15,000 per year. Also, if you take medicare you can no longer contribute to an HSA.
All good advice. The government thinks the large print in the fat Medicare book makes it easier to understand. It doesn't.

IRMAA has a two-year lookback BUT if you can show your income has or will be decreased, you can appeal the decision and get it knocked down or eliminated.

There are lots of ins and outs to Medicare and Social Security that even very intelligent people are baffled by (because a lot of it is non-sensical governmentese). My large hospital has two full-time retirement counselors on the HR staff who were extremely helpful making the transition.
 
You can appeal the IRMAA surcharge to some degree if it is "one-off" type situation. For example, your income at age 63 no longer reflects your income at age 65 so you appeal the surcharge by listing your current expected income or better yet, your tax return from age 64 which shows a $100K drop in total income. However for many of you including myself the income will still be substantial in our 60's due to investments, dividends, capital gains and interest from bonds/municipal bonds. Unlike the income tax calculations IRMAA is brutal in how it counts every single dollar from almost every single source regardless if it is non-taxable income. Roth income and return of principal are a few of the income types not counted towards IRMAA.
 
Went from AMC employee to self employed with private insurance (EXPENSIVE!!!) then at 65 to Medicare traditional with supplement and after a few years Medicare advantage- much less expensive even with IRMAA.
 
Went from AMC employee to self employed with private insurance (EXPENSIVE!!!) then at 65 to Medicare traditional with supplement and after a few years Medicare advantage- much less expensive even with IRMAA.
Medicare advantage is the type plan typically restricted geographically and requires pre-approval for just about everything. For example, traditional medicare allows you travel anywhere in the USA to receive care even if that care is expensive. Medicare advantage is highly restrictive in allowing access to care as the company makes money by denying care. The real kicker is that in most states, 46 I think, once you give up your supplemental care plan you must pass a medical underwriting exam to get it back. If you have medical conditions then you won't pass underwriting and will be denied the supplemental plan.


 
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Much depends on your medical needs and whether you live in multiple locations. Medicare Advantage covers emergency care anywhere but does not work for those with residences in multiple states/regions and significant medical needs requiring frequent care. For those that do not have multiple homes or reside for extended periods outside their home area and have few medical needs, Advantage offers some savings and little downside over traditional medicare.
 
Much depends on your medical needs and whether you live in multiple locations. Medicare Advantage covers emergency care anywhere but does not work for those with residences in multiple states/regions and significant medical needs requiring frequent care. For those that do not have multiple homes or reside for extended periods outside their home area and have few medical needs, Advantage offers some savings and little downside over traditional medicare.
Having “few medical needs” will likely change as one ages.
 
you dont really mean that
Oh course I do mean that. But everyone needs to contribute just like most civilized countries.

It’s amazing that the tariffs generate more tax revenue in one month (August) than all the taxes are generated from the estate taxes in an ENTIRE year

Why? Because everyone contributes to the tariffs taxes. Rich and poor.

Same will happen when most everyone starts contributing to universal healthcare. It’s amazing when everyone has some skin in the game. We are all in this together when everyone chips in.
 
Check out IRMAA: Medicare income related adjustment amount. You medicare premium could exceed your existing private insurance. You could easily have an IRMAA of $440/month on top of your medicare premium of $185/month. Total medicare with IRMAA=>$625/month or $7500 per year. If you have a spouce you can double that $15,000 per year. So you should compare your current policy coverage and cost to medicare coverage at $15,000 per year. Also, if you take medicare you can no longer contribute to an HSA.
Yes, IRMAA is the Medicare scam out in the open. It can be incredibly expensive for higher income earners.
 
you dont really mean that
I doubt you have seen the unsubsidized Healthcare premiums for a family of 4 on the ACA exchange. These plans are up 20-30% in cost vs 2025.
Without a subsidy the average family can't afford a Bronze plan.


The GOP should be looking at saving money by expanding Medicaid as that would be far cheaper than these massive subsidies under Biden.
Ultimately, a President AOC will push through Medicare For all at some point with 51 votes in the Senate and a 1 vote majority in the House. Did I mention that once the Dems are back in power they will eliminate the filibuster. This means Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. can be voted in as US states giving the Dems 4 more Senators. They will be unstoppable at that point with additional "no I.D." voter laws, Path to citizenship for 45 million illegal immigrants, a guarantee right to abortion law, massive restrictive gun laws, etc. Once the Dems get those 45 million voters and the 4 Senators the game is over until the Party splits into 2 as the socialists take control. I suspect many of you so-called Democrats may not be happy with the new Socialist Party in just 15 years.
 
I doubt you have seen the unsubsidized Healthcare premiums for a family of 4 on the ACA exchange. These plans are up 20-30% in cost vs 2025.
Without a subsidy the average family can't afford a Bronze plan.


The GOP should be looking at saving money by expanding Medicaid as that would be far cheaper than these massive subsidies under Biden.
Ultimately, a President AOC will push through Medicare For all at some point with 51 votes in the Senate and a 1 vote majority in the House. Did I mention that once the Dems are back in power they will eliminate the filibuster. This means Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. can be voted in as US states giving the Dems 4 more Senators. They will be unstoppable at that point with additional "no I.D." voter laws, Path to citizenship for 45 million illegal immigrants, a guarantee right to abortion law, massive restrictive gun laws, etc. Once the Dems get those 45 million voters and the 4 Senators the game is over until the Party splits into 2 as the socialists take control. I suspect many of you so-called Democrats may not be happy with the new Socialist Party in just 15 years.
 

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I doubt you have seen the unsubsidized Healthcare premiums for a family of 4 on the ACA exchange. These plans are up 20-30% in cost vs 2025.
Without a subsidy the average family can't afford a Bronze plan.


The GOP should be looking at saving money by expanding Medicaid as that would be far cheaper than these massive subsidies under Biden.
Ultimately, a President AOC will push through Medicare For all at some point with 51 votes in the Senate and a 1 vote majority in the House. Did I mention that once the Dems are back in power they will eliminate the filibuster. This means Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. can be voted in as US states giving the Dems 4 more Senators. They will be unstoppable at that point with additional "no I.D." voter laws, Path to citizenship for 45 million illegal immigrants, a guarantee right to abortion law, massive restrictive gun laws, etc. Once the Dems get those 45 million voters and the 4 Senators the game is over until the Party splits into 2 as the socialists take control. I suspect many of you so-called Democrats may not be happy with the new Socialist Party in just 15 years.
These plans on the ACA exchanges are worse than cobra plans employer plans (which have better networks and providers). Cobra employee plans getting gonna to run $2000-2300 a month with much better network and lower deductible for a family of 4

An equivalent ACA exchange plan without a subsidy with low deductible (but still worse network) will run u over $3000 a month. So who would have thought taking an “unaffordable “ (obama’s words) employer cobra plan over affordable care plan. So now we are at that point where cobra is cheaper Obama ACA exchange plans.

He’s be rolling over in his grave if he realized what was happening. Oops. He’s not dead yet.
 
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Am i hearing both of you correctly.. youre advocating for universal health care? I cannot believe it
 
Am i hearing both of you correctly.. youre advocating for universal health care? I cannot believe it
I’ve said I’m in favor of it.

Now how do we get people to pay for it is a different viewpoint.

I like the German way of universal care. Almost like social security system we pay for in the USA

Germans employee and employers split the cost of universal healthcare up to around 130k euros

Similar how our USA social security cap is 180k.

If u want private care. U pay more.
Of course left wingers here say that’s unfair to the lower income.

At some point u gotta draw a line and make it so the system works. And that will be an open argument.
 
I’ve said I’m in favor of it.

Now how do we get people to pay for it is a different viewpoint.

I like the German way of universal care. Almost like social security system we pay for in the USA

Germans employee and employers split the cost of universal healthcare up to around 130k euros

Similar how our USA social security cap is 180k.

If u want private care. U pay more.
Of course left wingers here say that’s unfair to the lower income.

At some point u gotta draw a line and make it so the system works. And that will be an open argument.
It is un american and against everything we are for.
The system is broken because Obamacare picked winners and losers. You have to open up the entire field to everyone without tipping the scale, that is how you get a winning system. Hyper competition. Not, by doubling down and abolishing all the players and taking away the means of production. That'll NEVER work.
 
It is un american and against everything we are for.
The system is broken because Obamacare picked winners and losers. You have to open up the entire field to everyone without tipping the scale, that is how you get a winning system. Hyper competition. Not, by doubling down and abolishing all the players and taking away the means of production. That'll NEVER work.
We are too far into a "socialist" Healthcare system to go backwards. More than 50% of all Americans get their healthcare from the govt. in one form or the other: Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, VA Healthcare, ACA subsidized care, etc. The next step in the process is obvious the only question is when that happens not if that happens.
 
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The actual number who get true govt. subsidized healthcare where the tax payer pays more than 60% of the cost is around 184 million Americans.
Yes you read that correctly: 184 million.

165 million Americans get their healthcare through their employer.
 
It is un american and against everything we are for.
The system is broken because Obamacare picked winners and losers. You have to open up the entire field to everyone without tipping the scale, that is how you get a winning system. Hyper competition. Not, by doubling down and abolishing all the players and taking away the means of production. That'll NEVER work.
People know my thoughts on the ACA.

A very limited public option may have worked.

The actual number who get true govt. subsidized healthcare where the tax payer pays more than 60% of the cost is around 184 million Americans.
Yes you read that correctly: 184 million.

165 million Americans get their healthcare through their employer.
it really depends how u look at it.

Many left wingers will say the 165 millions who get employee subsidized healthcare are in fact getting govt subsidies becuase those subsidies via workplace are not taxable to the employees

All a matter of semantics.
 
I was hoping to get out of this rat race 3 years way before my medicare age sets in. The govt truly wants you to work till you die cause healthcare costs are tricky as you age as we all know. Maybe I can get a bs tele work job part time just 10 hours a week with access to healthcare. Don't even care about the salary/income at that stage in my life in 3-4 years.
 
The MAGAs have never offered a plan for those who will be uninsured via cuts or qualification changes. It will be several million citizens (many of them children). What do you plan for them? It seems the implied plan is just to financially ruin them and let/make them die in misery?