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I found this website when discussing medicinal marijuana on the the pain medicine forum. It is just too good not to share.
http://www.doc420.com/
http://www.doc420.com/
Alcohol does the same things you mentioned and even more, so should we make it illegal??Marijuana causes horrible things in our society. Murders, robberies, violence, theft. It is not a "victimless crime." Legalizing it will have catastrophic effects. Not to mention all the waste that is caused by people who become totally non-contributing members of society by becoming pot heads.
that's a terrible argument. "A is legal and worse than B, so make B legal too."Alcohol does the same things you mentioned and even more, so should we make it illegal??
You are right, it has nothing to do with medicine but alcohol has nothing to do with medicine either and you still can buy it everywhere although it is more harmful than marijuana for all the reasons you mentioned.that's a terrible argument. "A is legal and worse than B, so make B legal too."
If you want medicinal marijuana, why isn't it regulated with perscriptions and DEA numbers just like every other controlled substance? I'll tell you why, because it has nothing to do with medicine at all.
that's a terrible argument. "A is legal and worse than B, so make B legal too."
If you want medicinal marijuana, why isn't it regulated with perscriptions and DEA numbers just like every other controlled substance? I'll tell you why, because it has nothing to do with medicine at all.
What's too good not to share: the picture or the article?
And by the way, the reason why marijuana causes all these terrible things you mentioned is because it is illegal so people have to do all these bad things to get it.
Marijuana causes horrible things in our society. Murders, robberies, violence, theft. It is not a "victimless crime." Legalizing it will have catastrophic effects. Not to mention all the waste that is caused by people who become totally non-contributing members of society by becoming pot heads.
that's not true. it causes those things because it is a powerful drug and people will do anything to get their high. making it legal won't change a thing, it will only make it more pervasive. do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??And by the way, the reason why marijuana causes all these terrible things you mentioned is because it is illegal so people have to do all these bad things to get it.
that's not true. it causes those things because it is a powerful drug and people will do anything to get their high. making it legal won't change a thing, it will only make it more pervasive. do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??.
do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??
Actually thats exactly what it will do. As the marijuana becomes legal and the prices go down, it will no longer become viable for drug lords to sell pot b/c the profit margin just won't be there
that's not true. it causes those things because it is a powerful drug and people will do anything to get their high. making it legal won't change a thing, it will only make it more pervasive. do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??
again, just because alcohol is bad, and still legal, is not a reason to make drugs legal too.
do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??
that's a terrible argument. "A is legal and worse than B, so make B legal too."
If you want medicinal marijuana, why isn't it regulated with perscriptions and DEA numbers just like every other controlled substance? I'll tell you why, because it has nothing to do with medicine at all.
do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??
As far as medically prescribed marijuana goes there are really no other medications that have the same mechanisms of action as marijuana. Dronabinol (Marinol) is available by prescription in capsules, but has the distinct disadvantage of containing only synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is only one of many therapeutically beneficial cannabinoids in the natural plant.
For some users, perhaps as many as 10 per cent, cannabis leads to psychological dependence, but there is scant evidence that it carries a risk of true addiction. Unlike cigarette smokers, most users do not take the drug on a daily basis, and usually abandon it in their twenties or thirties.
Unlike for nicotine, alcohol and hard drugs, there is no clearly defined withdrawal syndrome, the hallmark of true addiction, when use is stopped.
Or their forties....
do you really think simply making it legal, and allowing people to buy it at smoke shops, will suddenly put all those evil drug lords out of business?? really??
I appreciate your comments Noyac, but I also think you can clearly see the problems with the studies you cite?
I can't figure out when it became so en-vogue to say things like "end the futile war on drugs. it accomplishes nothing." its as if you have believe the war on drugs is "futile" the same way you have to believe in "global warming."
I have several close friends in drug enforcement. I work in health care and deal with all the traumas that come through the door. So my opinions are mine, and based on what I've seen. I hate illegal drugs. I hate what they do to people. I hate the people who sell them. I hate what they do to society. I have spent time in areas where drugs are ignored, and these places are ugly. I would never want that for America.
So yeah, in this type of discussion its impossible for me to "prove" through scientific study that the war on drugs is worth fighting. But that's how I feel. In fact, I believe if we were tougher on drug users, and actually made getting caught a bad thing, the market might dry up considerably here. For instance, get caught using drugs, you get 3 months of labor (not prison, labor). 2nd offense, 6 months of labor (cleaning up the side of the road). 3rd time, you're going to jail.
I don't think drug users are bad. I think they fail to understand the consequences of their actions, and if we give them a few months to think about it while working hard, the market might change.
On a side note, I've noticed most of the drugs in America are probably bought with tax dollars that have been "redistributed" to the "needy." So I would propose if you get any form of check from the govt you also get a random drug test twice a year. If you test positive, cest la vie to your paycheck.
I appreciate your comments Noyac, but I also think you can clearly see the problems with the studies you cite?
I can't figure out when it became so en-vogue to say things like "end the futile war on drugs. it accomplishes nothing." its as if you have believe the war on drugs is "futile" the same way you have to believe in "global warming."
I have several close friends in drug enforcement. I work in health care and deal with all the traumas that come through the door. So my opinions are mine, and based on what I've seen. I hate illegal drugs. I hate what they do to people. I hate the people who sell them. I hate what they do to society. I have spent time in areas where drugs are ignored, and these places are ugly. I would never want that for America.
So yeah, in this type of discussion its impossible for me to "prove" through scientific study that the war on drugs is worth fighting. But that's how I feel. In fact, I believe if we were tougher on drug users, and actually made getting caught a bad thing, the market might dry up considerably here. For instance, get caught using drugs, you get 3 months of labor (not prison, labor). 2nd offense, 6 months of labor (cleaning up the side of the road). 3rd time, you're going to jail.
I don't think drug users are bad. I think they fail to understand the consequences of their actions, and if we give them a few months to think about it while working hard, the market might change.
On a side note, I've noticed most of the drugs in America are probably bought with tax dollars that have been "redistributed" to the "needy." So I would propose if you get any form of check from the govt you also get a random drug test twice a year. If you test positive, cest la vie to your paycheck.
Just my 2 cents - as a guy who's doing pain...
My policy is either opioids or pot.
If you combine them you could prescribe as well some mushrooms and narcotics or why not a shot of moonshine q4h prn and a vicodin...
Did you guys (the one pro pot) have you ever worked in a pain clinic?
PEACE!
It was a general question Noy.
Maybe you read the original thread from the pain forum and you know the general opinion regarding cannabis for pain. I don't have any problem to write it for cancer patients - but for LBP and fibromyalgia - give me a break...
Did you see any decrease in narcotics after cannabis was added to a pain patient therapeutic regimen? Me - I didn't.
PS: Marijuana prop 215 is for: diabetes???, asthma, insomnia, irritable bowel, seizures, sports injury, depression..."all new patients receive a FREE gram".
Correct me if I am wrong but there are many drugs you use in your daily practice as a pain specialist that lack the strong evidence that you want but you still prescribe them anyway.It was a general question Noy.
Maybe you read the original thread from the pain forum and you know the general opinion regarding cannabis for pain. I don't have any problem to write it for cancer patients - but for LBP and fibromyalgia - give me a break...
Did you see any decrease in narcotics after cannabis was added to a pain patient therapeutic regimen? Me - I didn't.
PS: Marijuana prop 215 is for: diabetes???, asthma, insomnia, irritable bowel, seizures, sports injury, depression..."all new patients receive a FREE gram".
Don't get me wrong 2win. I am in no way endorsing the prescibing of marijuana for pts suffering from pain syndromes. I don't think there is enough evidence to make the claim that it is beneficial at this point. And having had a pain practice for a number of years (I no longer do this) I don't see much benefit. Watching these pts wigged out on methadone is bad enough. Why would we add marijuana to the mix?
But there is some info out there:
Donald Abrams, MD, Professor of Clinical Medicine at the University of California at San Francisco and Cheryl A. Jay, MD, Director of the San Francisco General Hospital Neurology Clinic, et al., stated the following in their Sep. 9-10, 2005 abstract titled "Smoked Cannabis Therapy for HIV-Related Painful Peripheral Neuropathy: Results of a Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial," presented at the International Assocation for Cannabis as Medicine (IACM) 3rd Conference on Cannabinoids in Medicine:
"There is significant evidence that cannabinoids may be involved in the modulation of pain, especially of neuropathic origin. HIV-related painful peripheral neuropathy is a significant medical problem with unsatisfactory treatment options. Based on the effects of cannabinoids in preclinical models of neuropathic pain and anecdotal case reports, a controlled trial of smoked cannabis was conducted...
Thirteen of the 25 patients who were randomized to marijuana cigarettes reported greater then 30% reduction in pain during the intervention phase, compared with 6 of the 25 patients receiving placebo cigarettes...
Smoked marijuana is effective in reducing chronic ongoing neuropathic pain as well as acute pain in the experimental pain model. The magnitude of the response of the neuropathic pain is similar to what is seen with gabapentin, a widely used therapeutic intervention for HIV neuropathy."
I found this website when discussing medicinal marijuana on the the pain medicine forum. It is just too good not to share.
http://www.doc420.com/
What's too good not to share: the picture or the article?
I appreciate your comments Noyac, but I also think you can clearly see the problems with the studies you cite?
I can't figure out when it became so en-vogue to say things like "end the futile war on drugs. it accomplishes nothing." its as if you have believe the war on drugs is "futile" the same way you have to believe in "global warming."
I have several close friends in drug enforcement. I work in health care and deal with all the traumas that come through the door. So my opinions are mine, and based on what I've seen. I hate illegal drugs. I hate what they do to people. I hate the people who sell them. I hate what they do to society. I have spent time in areas where drugs are ignored, and these places are ugly. I would never want that for America.
So yeah, in this type of discussion its impossible for me to "prove" through scientific study that the war on drugs is worth fighting. But that's how I feel. In fact, I believe if we were tougher on drug users, and actually made getting caught a bad thing, the market might dry up considerably here. For instance, get caught using drugs, you get 3 months of labor (not prison, labor). 2nd offense, 6 months of labor (cleaning up the side of the road). 3rd time, you're going to jail.
I don't think drug users are bad. I think they fail to understand the consequences of their actions, and if we give them a few months to think about it while working hard, the market might change.
On a side note, I've noticed most of the drugs in America are probably bought with tax dollars that have been "redistributed" to the "needy." So I would propose if you get any form of check from the govt you also get a random drug test twice a year. If you test positive, cest la vie to your paycheck.
i've never once seen something good come from drugs or the drug trade. i've seen lots of bad.
Here is another article about her... and another nice photo to share.
http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2007/11/dr-sona-patel-m-for-marijuana-m-for.html
100$ a script. If you don't qualify for medical mj, you don't pay. If she writes out 20 referrals a day, at 100$ (CASH only of course) a pop... you do the math my friends. She works 7 days a week, with 3 clinics in 3 of the most poshest areas of LA, SD, and SF.
EDIT:
Here is the article about the local news trying to sting her. All legit.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=5738428
And near the bottom it mentions she see's 20-30 patients a day............ $$$
i've never once seen something good come from drugs or the drug trade. i've seen lots of bad.
So i guess you despise virtually all artistic performance since the beginning of mankind
The drug trade was doing good to farmers in South America before the "war on drugs" forced the drug trade into the hand of paramilitary groups.
Same goes for Afghanistan...
Legalize all drugs, free the jail system from more than 50% of the inmates that are there on drug related charges, raise money from the sale, create jobs, create programs oversees that benefit the the poor farmers, better prevention counceling and rehab from revenues, free police from drug relate duties and let them focus on more important matters..... should i go on??
History teaches us that attempts to control people from getting high have repeatedly failed. If you can fight it why not control it?
If you can't learn a simple lesson...
I hear you on your points. But, do we really want U.S. companies buying up land in Columbia and Afghanistan, cultivating, processing, packaging, marketing cocaine and heroin?????
i've never once seen something good come from drugs or the drug trade. i've seen lots of bad.
Hahahaha, good point, but my mom might argue those cd's were bad tooThen take all your albums, all your tapes, all your CD's and burn them cause you know what. Everyone that made them were REAL F*CKING HIGH on drugs!
Some of you may recognize this line from a TOOL CD.