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it is true that most american girls are pretty overweight, especially when you compare them to European or asian girls.

 

[alwaysaangel]

it is true that most american girls are pretty overweight, especially when you compare them to European or asian girls.

Yeah so are the men.

 

[coffeebeanjenn]

it is true that most american girls are pretty overweight, especially when you compare them to European or asian girls.

While we're still generalizing, I retort that Europeans and Asians still smoke. Like chimneys. So I reject that comparison, which is built on a faulty premise that they're also healthier.

 

[87138]

While we're still generalizing, I retort that Europeans and Asians still smoke. Like chimneys. So I reject that comparison, which is built on a faulty premise that they're also healthier.

Uh, what? He simply stated that American women are more obese than other nations (he obviously omitted the fact that men are too). How does that become "negated" or "rejected" simply by offering that other countries "still smoke" (which doesn't even presuppose that these other countries smoke more than Americans do)?

 

[neil100]

quote=coffeebeanjenn;8097904]While we're still generalizing, I retort that Europeans and Asians still smoke. Like chimneys. So I reject that comparison, which is built on a faulty premise that they're also healthier.[/quote]

Ooohhhh....someone is getting jealous and protective of american girls. Leave the nationalism at home, dude!

There are advantages and disadvantages to different kinds of women.
But, one thing you can't argue with is that we (US) do have the most number of obese people on this planet. That's a well-known fact that virtually anyone in the world would accept, including americans.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html

I mean countries like micronesia, tonga, samoas, etc. don't really count. We basically are the #1 when comparing the size of the US pop. to that of these other very small countries.

 

[87138]

I think it's a tad of a stretch to link the obesity epidemic with Americans being sloppy dressers.

I don't. It perpetuates the notion that it's ok to be a lazy slob, essentially. It's much more "socially acceptable" to just use a boat tarp to create a dress for Large Marge than to tell her she needs to lose a few EL BEEs.


(This of course goes for men too, disregarding the part about dresses specifically).


A "Large" sized shirt from 10-15 years ago is significantly smaller than a "Large" sized shirt today. Don't tell someone they're getting fat, just raise the threshold of fattitiude!

 

[neil100]

I don't. It perpetuates the notion that it's ok to be a lazy slob, essentially. It's much more "socially acceptable" to just use a boat tarp to create a dress for Large Marge than to tell her she needs to lose a few EL BEEs.


(This of course goes for men too, disregarding the part about dresses specifically).


A "Large" sized shirt from 10-15 years ago is significantly smaller than a "Large" sized shirt today. Don't tell someone they're getting fat, just raise the threshold of fattitiude!

👍. You took the words right out of my mouth!
It's also sad to see the barrage of quarter-pounder burgers, big-macs, and other garbage food items being advertised without any sort of resistance.
We talk so much about prevention and then when it actually comes time to implement it, then uh oh something remarkably different happens.
Free maket capitalism I tell you! Thank goodness for the sanity and competence of leaders like Obama.

 

[ButImLETired]

Aahh yes the one last discrimination allowed, hating fat people. Always a fun time. Race isn't ok, but obese people are universally hateful! Fat jokes are still funny! Thank God for that. 🙄


To address the point of the thread, I'm not very good at putting on makeup and I always feel like I look a bit ridiculous when I do. I am a believer in plucking and such (not cause I want to look hot, but because it's just one more thing that stresses me out if it's out of control), but like psipsina I'd rather take care of my skin than cover it up with stuff. Luckily, I have the kind of skin that doesn't need anything, so I can pull off the no-makeup look. I don't know if I'd feel differently if I were splotchy or if I had zits. Either way, I agree with alwaysaangel entirely: if people are staring at you, it usually means there's something to stare at. If you don't care, fabulous. But I would probably wonder at someone who had full night makeup to a morning class, and chances are the professor would subconsciously judge her too.

 

[87138]

Aahh yes the one last discrimination allowed, hating fat people. Always a fun time. Race isn't ok, but obese people are universally hateful! Fat jokes are still funny! Thank God for that. 🙄

It's not hate. It's recognizing that a serious, serious problem in our country gets a lot of lip-service, but when it comes down to it, we're not doing nearly as much as we should be to help reduce obesity and improve the quality of our health. As future physicians, I would like to think many of us would be concerned more than most about the ever-expanding waistline of America. So I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing disdain for our culture's many subtle and not-so-subtle ways of encouraging a terribly unhealthy lifestyle.

And besides, you can change your body composition. You can't change your race.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

Luckily, I have the kind of skin that doesn't need anything, so I can pull off the no-makeup look.

It's not your skin thats preventing you from wearing make-up. It's your laziness and perhaps your inability to know HOW to actually wear make-up. Please. If I had a dollar for everytime I hear this excuse I'd be a millionare.

And for the record, F-A-T people need to take responsibility for being fat. Why have we, as a society, become so damn accepting of everything? We're training people to become spoiled, disgusting, overweight brats. And it needs to stop.

 

[alwaysaangel]

It's not your skin thats preventing you from wearing make-up. It's your laziness and perhaps your inability to know HOW to actually wear make-up. Please. If I had a dollar for everytime I hear this excuse I'd be a millionare.

Or the fact that some people look perfectly put together without make-up. Good grief you are really adamant that women shouldn't leave the house without make-up on. I've genuinely never met a man who liked make-up so much, most prefer the natural look at least some of the time. We're talking about 20 something women! If you don't look good with AND without make-up something is seriously wrong.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

Or the fact that some people look perfectly put together without make-up. Good grief you are really adamant that women shouldn't leave the house without make-up on. I've genuinely never met a man who liked make-up so much, most prefer the natural look at least some of the time. We're talking about 20 something women! If you don't look good with AND without make-up something is seriously wrong.

Ok, I admit. My mother is a make-up artist so perhaps my opinion is a bit biased...😀

 

[WellWornLad]

It's your laziness and perhaps your inability to know HOW to actually wear make-up. Please. If I had a dollar for everytime I hear this excuse I'd be a millionare.

Honestly, every time you post all I can picture is some sleezy hypertanned dude outside of some Miami club, shirt half-unbuttoned, hair slicked back, sporting tacky gold jewelry and bleached teeth.

People don't need excuses for not wearing make up. Beyond cleanliness and non-distracting clothing, you don't get a say in what your coworkers look like.

And before you say something ridiculous, like "it is distracting looking at all these broke chicks," just realize that well-adjusted people (i.e., the majority) don't see the world this way.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Ok, I admit. My mother is a make-up artist so perhaps my opinion is a bit biased...😀

Well that does explain it, you were raised by a woman who's business it was to constantly look completely made-up. Your view is definitely skewed and doesn't apply to doctors. But I'm sure there's a barbie doctor out there for you so you'll be ok 🙂

 

[neil100]

Aahh yes the one last discrimination allowed, hating fat people. Always a fun time. Race isn't ok, but obese people are universally hateful! Fat jokes are still funny! Thank God for that. 🙄

.

🙄

 

[ButImLETired]

Wow, I don't think I've ever been flamed before for having skin that doesn't require makeup...usually women are totally jealous and guys are glad they don't have to be afraid of smudging my makeup when touching my face or tasting foundation when kissing me. Not to mention my ability to get up and go in the morning when need be and not having to be like "but honey, I need to put on my makeup!". Oh well, to each his own I guess. I'm certainly glad to be in this situation, cause it makes my life easier.

 

[psipsina]

It's not your skin thats preventing you from wearing make-up. It's your laziness and perhaps your inability to know HOW to actually wear make-up. Please. If I had a dollar for everytime I hear this excuse I'd be a millionare.

Totally disagree. I'm sure this is the case for some peeps but I know plenty of women who take great care of their skin (which frequently takes as many steps as a simple makeup routine so isn't laziness at all) who look awesome with no makeup. I love makeup and know how to use it, I've even been asked to do makeup for weddings of friends so its not that I'm just ignorant of what it can do. I just don't think its necessary every time I step out of my home when I get compliments on my complexion without it. My husband loves that I can be low maintenance and get out of the house quickly when necessary but can be glamorous and all done up when the occasion calls for it.

 

[SDN2013]

Honestly, every time you post all I can picture is some sleezy hypertanned dude outside of some Miami club, shirt half-unbuttoned, hair slicked back, sporting tacky gold jewelry and bleached teeth.

People don't need excuses for not wearing make up. Beyond cleanliness and non-distracting clothing, you don't get a say in what your coworkers look like.

And before you say something ridiculous, like "it is distracting looking at all these broke chicks," just realize that well-adjusted people (i.e., the majority) don't see the world this way.

You mean, like dis?


Dressed up in suits for the ... M1 clinicals???

Need to look good for the PBL session dude!

If you don't have tans/makeup like this, you aren't respectful of your patients, right?

Doing an exam on a fellow student

Hey, you, go home and put on some make up! Else your patients gonna get mad!

And the epic one
(dude needs some serious tan though, gonna be years before he becomes orange enough)

 

[ButImLETired]

hotchickswithdouchebags ftw!

 

[VoiceofReason]

Make-up actually makes people look weird in my opinion. I'm deadly serious I wish women who do wear it would get bored of it.

 

[SDN2013]

hotchickswithdouchebags ftw!

actually pulled it off of another site, but yea it originated there

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

I must admit, those pics are hilarious. Straight up NJ trash.

Fortunately I don't sport a blow-out nor do I have tacky fashion sense.

 

[slight365]

it is true that most american girls are pretty overweight, especially when you compare them to European or asian girls.

Sorry, in Germany, one of the countries that pretends they are so much fitter than the US, I see nearly nothing but fat girls, oozing out of their clothing, and sporting this style like it's the in thing to do.

Every so often I get a teacher or someone that makes a comment like that, and it's delusional because 3/4 of the class is overweight, and even the German interior ministry found out that deployed German soldiers were too fat to be able to participate effectively in overseas efforts.

 

[VoiceofReason]

And for the record, F-A-T people need to take responsibility for being fat. Why have we, as a society, become so damn accepting of everything? We're training people to become spoiled, disgusting, overweight brats. And it needs to stop.

sooooo I would link you an endocrinology textbook but I dont think we're at that point yet. You are aware that some people have to work harder than others to be thin, right?

 

[Anka]

I wore make up all of M1-M3 year, and most of M4 year except for days when I was in the OR all day (I always wear make up if there's a possibility of clinic) or on vacation. However, if I was on overnight call, I didn't wear make up to the hospital the morning call started. I did stop wearing mascara because it irritates my eyes (I don't know why). I only wear it if I'm going out now. For me mascara doesn't make too much difference.

I'm quoting Ashers not to pick on her, but just to give the following piece of advice (albeit from a surgical resident... so take it for what it's worth).

Here it comes: If you are going to wear makeup, you need to wear it all the time.

Why: Because if you don't, you are going to look "tired" or "overwhelmed" on your post call days. People who don't notice you are wearing a little light makeup, will notice when you devolve into not wearing it when you're post call. Unless it's another female, they aren't going to come to the conclusion that you're just not wearing makeup post call or pre call, they're going to think "****, she just looks really bad after she's on call. Heck, she looks bad going into call!" And if you have the bad luck to be in a field where women aren't necessarily expected to have what it takes to get through, this may quickly be translated into "She just doesn't have what it takes to get through this."

So, if you are going to wear makeup, you can either wear it all the time (some women in my program do this, and I admire them for it) or never (that would be me, largely because while I can wear sensitive skin makeup for a few hours, I break out if I try to wear it for the 14 hour days I usually work). But don't go halfsy. Oh, the other thing I've seen work is wearing makeup for clinic, but not for inpatient care... that seems to work since everyone dresses up for clinic.

Best,
Anka

 

[Anka]

I wore make up all of M1-M3 year, and most of M4 year except for days when I was in the OR all day (I always wear make up if there's a possibility of clinic) or on vacation. However, if I was on overnight call, I didn't wear make up to the hospital the morning call started. I did stop wearing mascara because it irritates my eyes (I don't know why). I only wear it if I'm going out now. For me mascara doesn't make too much difference.

I'm quoting Ashers not to pick on her, but just to give the following piece of advice (albeit from a surgical resident... so take it for what it's worth).

Here it comes: If you are going to wear makeup, you need to wear it all the time.

Why: Because if you don't, you are going to look "tired" or "overwhelmed" on your post call days. People who don't notice you are wearing a little light makeup, will notice when you devolve into not wearing it when you're post call. Unless it's another female, they aren't going to come to the conclusion that you're just not wearing makeup post call or pre call, they're going to think "****, she just looks really bad after she's on call. Heck, she looks bad going into call!" And if you have the bad luck to be in a field where women aren't necessarily expected to have what it takes to get through, this may quickly be translated into "She just doesn't have what it takes to get through this."

So, if you are going to wear makeup, you can either wear it all the time (some women in my program do this, and I admire them for it) or never (that would be me, largely because while I can wear sensitive skin makeup for a few hours, I break out if I try to wear it for the 14 hour days I usually work). But don't go halfsy. Oh, the other thing I've seen work is wearing makeup for clinic, but not for inpatient care... that seems to work since everyone dresses up for clinic.

Best,
Anka

 

[rachmoninov3]

To the O/P

If you enjoy make-up, wear it. However, understand that a lot of your classmates (especially in more casual parts of the country) may be perfectly OK with not putting on anything but sunscreen.

To me, make-up is more trouble than it's worth. I might look good starting a 12 hour shift, but then by the time I go home at 7am, all my make-up has worn off, and generally looks worse than if I didn't use any at all. I'm probably not using the right stuff, or carrying stuff for touch-ups. At the same time, nursing is not a sit down occupation, and as I start the clerkships next week, I doubt medicine is either.

It might also make you (the O/P) feel better to know that there are times when I (and I'm pretty sure most tomboys) wish I knew all the trade secrets of beauty queens and could spend our time indulging in the world of cosmetology. I bet if you became closer friends with these women in your class you could probably teach them a lot. Try asking them out for pedicures (we tomboys can have some horrible feet), and maybe you can help them to realize that make-up isn't all that tough or scary.

 

[psipsina]

I'm quoting Ashers not to pick on her, but just to give the following piece of advice (albeit from a surgical resident... so take it for what it's worth).

Here it comes: If you are going to wear makeup, you need to wear it all the time.

Why: Because if you don't, you are going to look "tired" or "overwhelmed" on your post call days. People who don't notice you are wearing a little light makeup, will notice when you devolve into not wearing it when you're post call. Unless it's another female, they aren't going to come to the conclusion that you're just not wearing makeup post call or pre call, they're going to think "****, she just looks really bad after she's on call. Heck, she looks bad going into call!" And if you have the bad luck to be in a field where women aren't necessarily expected to have what it takes to get through, this may quickly be translated into "She just doesn't have what it takes to get through this."

So, if you are going to wear makeup, you can either wear it all the time (some women in my program do this, and I admire them for it) or never (that would be me, largely because while I can wear sensitive skin makeup for a few hours, I break out if I try to wear it for the 14 hour days I usually work). But don't go halfsy. Oh, the other thing I've seen work is wearing makeup for clinic, but not for inpatient care... that seems to work since everyone dresses up for clinic.

Best,
Anka

This is part of the reason I'm thinking no makup for clerkships. Thanks for confirming my suspicions lol. I was thinking of doing just some brightener around the eyes for an "I'm alert and interested" look but am worried it would melt/crease/smudge by the end of a call shift.

 

[QofQuimica]

This thread is hilarious. For the record, I'm in the "no makeup except on special occasions" crowd, although I do wear moisturizer/sunscreen and lip gloss on a daily basis. But like someone else already said, expectations are definitely higher in the South. I was even forced to endure modeling school as a preteen. My lack of makeup drives my mom crazy; we've been having this argument for over two decades now. 😛

I have no real reason for posting except to beg you ladies who do like to get dressed up to please hold the perfume. Nothing in the entire hospital makes me panic more than being trapped on an elevator with someone who just drenched themselves with the stuff. Strong perfume odor is the one thing I've found that is guaranteed to trigger a migraine, especially when coupled with sleep deprivation. Please, have mercy!

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

sooooo I would link you an endocrinology textbook but I dont think we're at that point yet. You are aware that some people have to work harder than others to be thin, right?

Yes, medical student I do understand that some people have to work harder to be thin. What's your point?

I had to work harder than some of my uber-intelligent classmates to get honors -- but I still did. Why? B/c I tried and b/c I cared. I made it happen.

So with your logic I should NOT have tried to get honors b/c it would require more effort? Similarly those who are more prone to be overweight should just eat themselves into an oblivion? Wow. 🙄

 

[unsung]

Not to single you out, just using the above as an example of a common sentiment. Actually, my rant has more to do with dress than makeup anyway.

I increasingly take issue with the "all casual all the time, take me as I come" attitude of guys AND gals. I think it's our responsibility to present ourselves as dignified and mature in public, whether you're a med student or a trash man. I'm reminded of an awesome scene in "The House of Sand and Fog" where the Iranian father puts on his suit to go to work, gets to work and changes into coveralls to dig ditches, and showers and changes back to his suit to go home. This is coming from a guy that cut his own hair and wore shorts, flip flops, and crappy t-shirts for most of undergrad. That may have been almost OK then, but we're grown up now. Time to take pride in ourselves and try to set a good example in manners and professional appearance.

(end off-topic rant).

I'll agree with you on the importance of looking professional "on the job", i.e. during clinical rotations or as future doctors. Insofar as part of looking professional relates to keeping oneself groomed, etc., yes it's important.

Makeup is not every woman's cup of tea, however. I actually like makeup and think of it as fun, but plenty of women rarely if ever wear ANY makeup. This doesn't prevent them from looking nice, clean, and well-groomed, imo.

So first of all, I don't really think wearing makeup = appearing professional. I saw plenty of pre-meds on interviews who weren't wearing any makeup, for example.

Secondly, there's a big difference between attending an 8am lecture on biochemistry and going to work meeting patients at 8am. In med school, we are medical STUDENTS. What's this about being more "grown up" in med school vs undergrad? 😉 I swear, the maturity level appears about the same, what with the cliques and cattiness.

If people want to be "more professional" in med school, let's first start with changing the high school mentality/behaviors. I could care less how my classmates dress during class, but how people treat another does impact quality of life.

 

[VoiceofReason]

Yes, medical student I do understand that some people have to work harder to be thin. What's your point?

I had to work harder than some of my uber-intelligent classmates to get honors -- but I still did. Why? B/c I tried and b/c I cared. I made it happen.

So with your logic I should NOT have tried to get honors b/c it would require more effort? Similarly those who are more prone to be overweight should just eat themselves into an oblivion? Wow. 🙄

You either honestly didnt understand where I was going with that or you're being intentionally obtuse to save face. My point is you're looking down on people who may very well have to work very hard to maintain an ideal or approximately ideal BMI. You not only presume to know exactly how much effort every overweight or obese person needs to put in to lose that weight, but furthermore somehow decided that, regardless of the individual, that effort will always be a reasonable undertaking. I find it easy to exercise and eat right, but I don't presume that everyone else does. What about depression? What if, to maintain an ideal BMI, you would have to almost literally feel hungry all the time? Could you stand that? Also I notice that you chose to argue your point on the basis of disgust and ugliness, rather than the slightly less reprehensible position involving the burden that fat people cause the healthcare system.

In your case, following my logic, I would simply not hold it against you if you decided to settle for less in terms of your career aspirations.

Edit: Basically there isn't much going on in your head and you're too judgmental as a result.

 

[Jwax]

My lack of effort tended to go to my hair when it was super long....Then I went ahead and chopped off a lot of hair because I forgot how much work it is to take care of short hair, so I had to start doing my hair every morning for the first time since elementary school.

I've been planning on growing my hair out for third year since before we started med school b/c my short/medium length hair (that I love and think looks so much better on me) takes a good 30 minutes to look great but my long hair can go in a ponytail in 10 seconds.

And if everyone you know knows the basics of makeup you must live somewhere extraordinary because most of the women I see have no clue. At least not when they try eye make-up, they're still very stuck in single colors no blending, tarantula mascara, really thick eyeliner, or eyeliner on the bottom in the daytime, etc.

I never knew there were such detailed rules about appropriate make-up. Sheesh.

As for makeup, I think you guys are not going to school in the south/midwest. In my neck of the woods, most of the female doctors and medical students wear makeup. I don't and am kind of a rarity. I live in a very conservative place (like the most red of red states) where appearance is very important for women.

Thanks for beating me to it. Our class is probably 60:40 makeup vs. none. Some girls look fabulous without it, some girls look plan weird with it, and some girls look drab without it. I like make-up. I probably fit in the "too much makeup / look like I'm trying to hard" crowd, but I'm just not generally comfortable being out and about without the makeup. My husband thinks I look beautiful without it, but I feel less confident and comfortable without it. So I spend 15 minutes on makeup and have a day long esteem boost. I don't judge other girls who don't want to wear make up and don't feel other ladies should judge me for wanting to wear it. And let's be sensible, the girls who don't wear makeup often will marry men who prefer natural and the girls who do wear makeup often will marry guys that like a little extra effort in presentation. /end ramble, returning to board prep

 

[durty]

scrubs touched on this with Eliot feeling the double standard of always wanting to look pretty so she didn't get the respect she deserved for being a doctor, but when she went au naturale she received one of my fav. quotes "hey Eliot, is it greasy outside?" good stuff.
-durty

 

[87138]

I'm surprised no one (until now) has replied with "this thread is worthless without pics."

 

[unsung]

While we're still generalizing, I retort that Europeans and Asians still smoke. Like chimneys. So I reject that comparison, which is built on a faulty premise that they're also healthier.

Yeah, I'm suuuuure diet & exercise have NOTHING to do with why many Europeans & Asians tend to be trimmer than Americans. It's all the smoking that does it. 🙄

 

[Rendar5]

You either honestly didnt understand where I was going with that or you're being intentionally obtuse to save face. My point is you're looking down on people who may very well have to work very hard to maintain an ideal or approximately ideal BMI. You not only presume to know exactly how much effort every overweight or obese person needs to put in to lose that weight, but furthermore somehow decided that, regardless of the individual, that effort will always be a reasonable undertaking. I find it easy to exercise and eat right, but I don't presume that everyone else does. What about depression? What if, to maintain an ideal BMI, you would have to almost literally feel hungry all the time? Could you stand that? Also I notice that you chose to argue your point on the basis of disgust and ugliness, rather than the slightly less reprehensible position involving the burden that fat people cause the healthcare system.

In your case, following my logic, I would simply not hold it against you if you decided to settle for less in terms of your career aspirations.

Edit: Basically there isn't much going on in your head and you're too judgmental as a result.

to be the devil's advocate, the percentage of fat ppl who are fat because of underlying medical illness is ridiculously small. Most ppl who get fat in the first place did it because they ate poorly and didn't exercise enough. And I'm purposely not including ppl who got fat, got obesity-related illnesses and then did not have the energy to lose the weight.

NOw as for depression, I believe classically depressed ppl lose weight, while those with SAD are the subset who gain weight. Now once you add in corrective meds, they might gain weight if they were on lexapro or some drug like that. But again, this is in the minortiy and the majority of ppl who are fat are ppl who let themselves go (with some probability of associated mentality and psych issues that go along with letting oneself go).

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

I sometimes wonder why some medical students and physicians don't treat obese patients with the same care/understanding/empathy/insert touchy-feely adjective as they do with underweight (e.g. anorexic) patients.

I was expecting to read a thread about makeup.

I wonder why 60% of internet threads end with some anti-fattie rant.

Hmm...

 

[87138]

I was expecting to read a thread about makeup.

I wonder why 60% of internet threads end with some anti-fattie rant.

Hmm...

Oh sure, come on here and make-up statistics.

 

[bdvz]

I sometimes wonder why some medical students and physicians don't treat obese patients with the same care/understanding/empathy/insert touchy-feely adjective as they do with underweight (e.g. anorexic) patients.

you sure about that?

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

Oh sure, come on here and make-up statistics.

There's only a 24.7% chance that I made those statistics up.

you sure about that?

Possibly yes, but not at all.

 

[bdvz]

There's only a 24.7% chance that I made those statistics up.



Possibly yes, but not at all.

Just out of curiosity. What are you basing this on?

 

[Cirrus83]

It's not even just the makeup. People tend to stop dressing as nicely too when things get busy. I noticed that even the people who managed to keep wearing makeup almost every day first year eventually straggled in a few mornings second year without makeup on.

Personally I know I look like total **** when I've gone through most of my wardrobe but am putting off doing laundry because there's an exam, and I show up at school wearing totally mismatched and out of season clothing. At least I insist on wearing clean, but hideous, clothing and showering daily. Some people definitely make me scared to sit near them.

Oh and I also forget to shave for days on end like a buncha other guys. It's not even that any of us have real beards, but sometimes you just don't bother to shave for a few days and the next thing you know...

 

[SDN2013]

It's not even just the makeup. People tend to stop dressing as nicely too when things get busy. I noticed that even the people who managed to keep wearing makeup almost every day first year eventually straggled in a few mornings second year without makeup on.

Personally I know I look like total **** when I've gone through most of my wardrobe but am putting off doing laundry because there's an exam, and I show up at school wearing totally mismatched and out of season clothing. At least I insist on wearing clean, but hideous, clothing and showering daily. Some people definitely make me scared to sit near them.

Oh and I also forget to shave for days on end like a buncha other guys. It's not even that any of us have real beards, but sometimes you just don't bother to shave for a few days and the next thing you know...

thought you were a girl until last paragraph

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

Just out of curiosity. What are you basing this on? Is it a conjecture based on your opinion that it's better to be underweight than overweight? Or something else?

I would think that many physicians would take the same exasperated attitude towards patients who refused to make progress towards stabilizing their weight as they would with patients who refused to lose weight.

No. That wasn't my point. My point was that it seems to me that people in the medical field are more sympathetic towards people who have issues with being underweight and less understanding towards people who have issues with being overweight...even though the same issues might underlie both conditions (e.g. depression).

I dunno...it's like fatties are the last battalion for open discrimination since people can't talk trash openly about gays & minorities anymore. (And it's always under the guise of "being healthy" even though we all probably know several chubbies who have normal BP, HR, cholesterol, glucose, etc. as well as several skinnies who are on statins.) I actually read a thread on here that said overweight med students were less intelligent than their normal-weight counterparts.

I'm not disgusted by fat folks nor do I view them with contempt. I don't notice them anymore than I notice the average person. And I certainly don't bring them up 24/7 like some people do. I mean, this thread was about MAKEUP for Pete's sake, and instead of a cute discussion about cosmetics (like I expected when I clicked the title) -- this thread is being ran over by tomboys, hopelessly single male nerds, and the anti-fattie brigade.

 

[bdvz]

instead of a cute discussion about cosmetics (like I expected when I clicked the title) -- this thread is being ran over by tomboys, hopelessly single male nerds, and the anti-fattie brigade.

par for the course eh? 😀

 

[coffeebeanjenn]

Yeah, I'm suuuuure diet & exercise have NOTHING to do with why many Europeans & Asians tend to be trimmer than Americans. It's all the smoking that does it. 🙄

Fair enough. In my limited experience I'm going to say it's just diet, though. Having been to various places in Europe multiple times, I have never seen anyone jogging or even power/exercise walking. Hotel gyms in Europe tend to be pretty miserable, and full of Americans... But maybe I wasn't looking in the right places.

My point, which was subtle, is that yes while Europeans and Asians are skinnier they aren't necessarily healthier and aren't necessarily taking better care of themselves. Kind of off topic, shouldn't have brought it up I suppose.

 

[Ashers]

Fair enough. In my limited experience I'm going to say it's just diet, though. Having been to various places in Europe multiple times, I have never seen anyone jogging or even power/exercise walking. Hotel gyms in Europe tend to be pretty miserable, and full of Americans... But maybe I wasn't looking in the right places.

My point, which was subtle, is that yes while Europeans and Asians are skinnier they aren't necessarily healthier and aren't necessarily taking better care of themselves. Kind of off topic, shouldn't have brought it up I suppose.

Interesting, I think you'd actually need to spend more time there to judge that. I lived in London for a year, and in parks all over many UK cities, all parts of Germany to which I've been, and Madrid, Paris (I could go on) I'd see runners, joggers, roller bladers, cyclers, groups playing football, etc. My friends and I would also go hang out in the London parks to do the above mentioned things as well. Not to mention that many people walk everywhere (weather dependent). I also went to a gym in London that was always full.

Granted not everyone exercises in Europe, but not everyone exercises here. Having spent a lot of time in Europe throughout my life, I tend to think that they do, in general, have healthier lifestyles.

 

[scarletgirl777]

Well see thats just a difference of definition. I don't think make-up is included AT ALL in the definition of looking nice. I'm sorry, but when you're in your 20s no make-up just DOES NOT = looking unprofessional/scrubby. Maybe when we're 50 and have wrinkles and age spots, or maybe for someone with some pretty bad acne scars. But for the most part, I am too young to need to wear make-up everyday, I have the rest of my life to be like my mom and refuse to leave the house without it. No thank you. So again, I don't give a rats ass about wearing make-up to look made-up. That doesn't mean I don't do my hair/wear nice clothes. And I think thats true for a lot of women.

As far as the "common sentiment" women aren't there to be eye candy in med school. And this is coming from a rampant anti-feminist. If a woman wants to look nice and catch her a med school boyfriend then by all means. But otherwise, as long as they look relatively together, they are fine in my opinion. Med school is hard enough, if spending 1-2 hrs every morning looking pretty isn't something a woman enjoys then she should spend her time doing something else not more of something that she considers work just because some people think you can't leave the house without looking ready to go clubbing.

But I agree with you about the general concept of looking nice. I felt that in college looking decent was an issue as people rolled out of bed and went to school in pajamas. But except maybe on a test day, I've never seen that in med school. For the most part hair is brushed and done, clothes aren't sweats or PJs and everyone both men and women look decent. So since in my opinion its not an issue from what I see, I'm guessing we have different definitions of looking nice for clothes too.

In the end its fine if you think that people who dont meet your standard of looking nice are lazy. They probably are, or they have different priorities than you and don't feel the need to spend an hour getting ready every morning. Either way, I can bet they don't really care what you think.

I think that's a good point. I'll put on the occasional lip gloss, but my skin is NOT at a point where I need to put on foundation every day, thank goodness 🙂 And I don't think mascara is an essential during the daytime.

 

[87138]

There's only a 24.7% chance that I made those statistics up.

I think my crappy joke went over your head. Maybe not.