Merging the Pre-Osteopathic and Pre-Allopathic Forums

[Lee]

---

Members don't see this ad.

Volunteer members have suggested that there is little reason to keep the Pre-Allo and Pre-Osteo forums separate anymore.

Historically they were separate because SDN was a merger of MD, DO and DDS websites back in 1999. Now they remain separate simply to make it easier to find osteopathic threads. However, we can address that using other means, such as thread tagging (see the classifieds forum for an example of how it works).

I'm interested in getting the thoughts of the members that use this forum. Should we merge PreAllo and PreOsteo and use thread tags to identify "MD" or "DO" or "Any/Both" threads?

 

[apumic]

Personally, I'm good with going either way. It does make sense to me to merge them, especially since the differences in actual work done are essentially nonexistent and the educational differences seem to be mostly philosophical (if that) at this point. Personally, I think it might work nicely to combine them, esp. if there were a way to have posts filtered by tag (i.e., checkboxes at the top of the threadlist so you could choose to ignore all "DO" or all "MD" tagged posts).

 

[NontradICUdoc]

my one concern would have to be endless MD vs DO threads turning into flame wars.

 

[engineeredout]

Leave it separate, theres certainly more than enough threads here asking about DO specific. Do you really need even more traffic in Pre-Allo?

I'd think merging the med student Allo and Osteo forums would make more sense, since thats the point where differences really don't matter (currently threads in both of people freaking out about anatomy), but my vote would be keep the premeds separate.

Pre-allo is also 50X more annoying than Pre-Osteo. I read threads in pre-allo, they piss me off, I start posting, I get banned. I don't go in preallo anymore because I don't want my account deleted as a result of what I'm going to say to the next premed who wonders if he should wear his obama buttons to an interview.

 

[Handy388]

I think the discussions in allo and oesteo are significantly different.

 

[ChiDO]

I'd think merging the med student Allo and Osteo forums would make more sense, since thats the point where differences really don't matter (currently threads in both of people freaking out about anatomy)

I'd agree to merge the MD and DO forums as the discussions are similar.

As for pre-MD and pre-DO, I have no preference.

 

[n618ft]

I think the discussions in allo and oesteo are significantly different.

I don't know why they're so different. Both have newbs asking about information and this can help spread the word about DO to people that have no clue what it is. I literally had NO idea what it was before I joined this forum... and it even took me a while to click on it - I mean most people grow up thinking MD = physician and that's it. I'm up for a merge with the tags when necessary. It's not like it's dentistry or something unrelated. Everyone will benefit from more people posting. 2+2=5 🙂

 

[schrizto]

This should also be asked in the Pre-Allo forum, not just the Pre-Osteo forum.

 

[211519]

Keep pre-allo and pre-osteo separate

Merge med student allo and osteo

 

[Grey Wind]

I think the discussions in allo and oesteo are significantly different.

i second this. keep pre osteo pre allo separate. merge the allo osteo med student forums.

 

[Mohammed1989]

Leave it separate, theres certainly more than enough threads here asking about DO specific. Do you really need even more traffic in Pre-Allo?

I'd think merging the med student Allo and Osteo forums would make more sense, since thats the point where differences really don't matter (currently threads in both of people freaking out about anatomy), but my vote would be keep the premeds separate.

Pre-allo is also 50X more annoying than Pre-Osteo. I read threads in pre-allo, they piss me off, I start posting, I get banned. I don't go in preallo anymore because I don't want my account deleted as a result of what I'm going to say to the next premed who wonders if he should wear his obama buttons to an interview.

I agree keep them seperate. I thought I was the only one getting banned haha. Another thing about pre-allo they talk more about nonsense then actual advice. Most of the threads would be b.s. Then advice that's my 2 cents about it though.

 

[MossPoh]

I'm a pretty frequent poster and have a difficult time with the pre-allo forums. I like the idea of keeping the pre-allo/osteo separate and then merging the student ones. I'm not as worried about a flame war. I just think it makes it easier to learn about alternative pathways when you see the nice big forum name there.

Once everyone is in medical school, I think sharing and discussing various ideas, experiences and problems has the potential to be valuable. I've also noticed a great deal more mingling as is between the two forums.

 

[forrealz]

I'm a pretty frequent poster and have a difficult time with the pre-allo forums. I like the idea of keeping the pre-allo/osteo separate and then merging the student ones. I'm not as worried about a flame war. I just think it makes it easier to learn about alternative pathways when you see the nice big forum name there.

I absolutely agree! 👍
It is much more organized this way, information is easily accessible. Some people already have a hard time finding things even in just pre-osteo forum, I wonder what would happen when they have to look through everything.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Merge both pre and med student ones. Help clear up any quick confusion when people randomly stop by SDN (MD/DO opposed to MD or DO forums).

 

[swamprat]

Merge both pre and med student ones. Help clear up any quick confusion when people randomly stop by SDN (MD/DO opposed to MD or DO forums).

I agree 👍

 

[n618ft]

Merge both pre and med student ones. Help clear up any quick confusion when people randomly stop by SDN (MD/DO opposed to MD or DO forums).

The DO forum below the MD one makes me feel like a second class citizen 😉

Honestly I think the DO vs MD thing is ridiculous - I don't see why there's not some sort of integration of both systems in real life. Divided's just bad.

 

[DrDre2001]

Keep pre-allo and pre-osteo separate

Merge med student allo and osteo

I agree with this.

 

[JaggerPlate]

It's hilarious to watch these identical threads in the pre-DO and pre-MD forums. The difference in attitude is shocking. Maybe they shouldn't be merged after all???

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Another vote for keeping these seperate. I used to frequent the pre-allo forums but they are overwhelmed with over neurotic posts. Don't get me wrong we get our share as well but it isn't the overwhelming majority.

I would however be in favor of merging the med student forums

 

[rkaz]

As far as pre-allo and pre-osteo forums being merged, either way is fine. Possibly merging the 2 forums may help students with an allo-specific mindset that osteo-schools are a completely valid option to explore.

However, I completely agree that the MD and DO student forums should be merged. Since we take identical classes (except for OMM), and most students take the USMLE.... there is no sense to have separate medical student forums. Many questions like 'how to study for med school' etc can be answered by either MD or DO students, as the basic science classes and rotations are not MD/DO specific.

 

[p30doc]

i say merge both the pre-med and the med MD/DO sections

 

[Phosphorus Ylide]

I'm okay with a merge of both, pre and med. 🙂

 

[Suenya]

As I said in the pre-allo version, I think they should be merged, potentially with a new subforum (similar to school specific forums) which discusses allo/osteo specific questions.

 

[Just Joshin]

I don't go in preallo anymore because I don't want my account deleted as a result of what I'm going to say to the next premed who wonders if he should wear his obama buttons to an interview.

The sure fire way to keep that from happening is to be civil.

I say merge them. Many, if not all students apply to both anyway.

I'm also in favor of merging allo and osteo for med students.

 

[TeamZissou]

Keep pre-allo and pre-osteo separate

Merge med student allo and osteo

+1

The Pre-med forums do have questions that differ just because the game of applying to DO vs MD is slightly different.

The med student forums should definitely be merged since by this point most have gotten over the MD vs DO thing and we have many of the same questions concerning material, rotations etc

 

[coffeeeandtea]

It's hilarious to watch these identical threads in the pre-DO and pre-MD forums. The difference in attitude is shocking. Maybe they shouldn't be merged after all???

hahaha seriously, i like how the majority of the pre-allo want the pre-allo/osteo to be separate because the osteo should be kept as a "safe space" for people with "lower stats".... -_____-

 

[Mohammed1989]

Hey admin can you make this into a poll

 

[Van Chowder]

Merge the suckers. Im planning on applying allo, but would not have known much about osteo had I not stumbled into the forum super baked one day. I believe some exposure to one another trully will nullify the stigma against DO.

 

[Handy388]

If you read those forums, similarities are few and there will be a lot of confusions shall the board are merged.

Being an allo student, I don't want any discussion of OMM in my board unless you can back it up with vigrous peer review study. If you merge those two boards, it's likely that allo board will get thread like "post your OMM antedote"

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam. I don't see why there should be an merger especially when the board is going toward specalization (there are even specific thread for each year)

 

[engineeredout]

The sure fire way to keep that from happening is to be civil.

Sometimes they don't deserve it. They really don't. It isn't my fault, but I get in trouble over it.

 

[KingstonPre]

No.

 

[ILikeFood]

Keep pre-allo and pre-osteo separate

Merge med student allo and osteo

Yup.

 

[Bacchus]

If you read those forums, similarities are few and there will be a lot of confusions shall the board are merged.

Being an allo student, I don't want any discussion of OMM in my board unless you can back it up with vigrous peer review study. If you merge those two boards, it's likely that allo board will get thread like "post your OMM antedote"

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam. I don't see why there should be an merger especially when the board is going toward specalization (there are even specific thread for each year)

You could have posted once, in the pre-allo section, and not tried to downgrade our profession as you usually do.

 

[ChiDO]

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam.

Yup valid point, that is why there is only 1 "Step 1" forum....🙄

 

[MedStudentWanna]

If you read those forums, similarities are few and there will be a lot of confusions shall the board are merged.

Being an allo student, I don't want any discussion of OMM in my board unless you can back it up with vigrous peer review study. If you merge those two boards, it's likely that allo board will get thread like "post your OMM antedote"

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam. I don't see why there should be an merger especially when the board is going toward specalization (there are even specific thread for each year)

Yeah, because the DO board is saturated with "post your OMM anecdote" threads. Like it or not, DO and MD students face the same challenges, even if a few pre-MDs like to pretend they don't. By the way, if you're a med student, you should know the difference between anecdote and "antedote" (sic).

 

[engineeredout]

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam. I don't see why there should be an merger especially when the board is going toward specalization (there are even specific thread for each year)

The comlex/USMLE forums are already merged, so what does this have to do with the point exactly?


And if you need further reasons for the premed boards to be kept separate, it's threads like this:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=8564478#post8564478

 

[forrealz]

The comlex/USMLE forums are already merged, so what does this have to do with the point exactly?


And if you need further reasons for the premed boards to be kept separate, it's threads like this:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=8564478#post8564478

That thread is ridiculous!!🤣

 

[Handy388]

merge the allo osteo med student forums.

If that shall be the case, why don't we merge allo, osteo and caribean forum together?

After all, Caribbean medical students share very similar issues with allo students.

 

[ChiDO]

If that shall be the case, why don't we merge allo, osteo and caribean forum together?

After all, Caribbean medical students share very similar issues with allo students.

The Caribbean forum isn't even under the same category as the allo / osteo forums. It is listed in the INTERNATIONAL forum sections because it is an INTERNATIONAL school, while US-MD and US-DO are DOMESTIC schools.

If we wanted to use your reasoning then we should put all international schools (europe, canada, asia, ect) in the same forum because after all we all are medical students. 🙄

M3/M4 = Same Forums for everyone.
Step 1-3 = Same Forums for everyone.
Specialties = Same Forums for everyone.
ERAS = Same Forums for everyone.

Furthermore, if you look at the allo / osteo forums, they are identical besides for the occasional OMM thread, which in the last month encompasses a total of 2 threads.

 

[JaggerPlate]

a. I want to kick you in the chest, hard.

If you read those forums, similarities are few and there will be a lot of confusions shall the board are merged.

b. Similarities are few?? How so?? Both paths require identical course work, a bachelors, MCAT, med schools are identical with the exception of OMM, DO students can sit for USMLE and complete ACGME residencies??? Yeah, I barely see the connection. If it wasn't for that D in both the titles, we'd be like apes and humans.

Being an allo student, I don't want any discussion of OMM in my board unless you can back it up with vigrous peer review study. If you merge those two boards, it's likely that allo board will get thread like "post your OMM antedote"

c. Hey Handy, are you an allo student??? I never would have guessed. ROFLMAO, your boards??? Do you really have such a pathetic, micro-world, outlook on life. They aren't your boards chief, and hahahah yeah, I'm sure the lack of vigorous (nice spelling by the way - irony), peer reviewed study is going to cause an absolute downfall. It lacks the logic and thought seen in the 9000 'I HAVE A 3.99 AND 42T, AM I SCREWED???' threads seen in the clearly superior pre-allo threads.

I hate to say this, but the average allo and the average osteos face different issues. we even take different board exam. I don't see why there should be an merger especially when the board is going toward specalization (there are even specific thread for each year)

d. Why do you even speak??? DO student: 4 year undergrad, pre-med classes, MCAT, med school, USMLE, ACGME residency, BC in ABMS field. Where's the difference??? How in the name of God would you even know the differences?? Where were you born? God you sicken me. Seriously, you're so pathetic. I know I dislike you as a human just from the things you type on the internet. If you're the type of elitst, repulsive mindset that lurks in the pre-allo, allo forums, then screw it, keep them separate. That's always a good thing, right???

 

[Van Chowder]

Do it👍

 

[Bacchus]

I'm just going to say...SDN was founded by a DO so its our playground 😛.

 

[Handy388]

good luck in your happy little world.

a. I want to kick you in the chest, hard.



b. Similarities are few?? How so?? Both paths require identical course work, a bachelors, MCAT, med schools are identical with the exception of OMM, DO students can sit for USMLE and complete ACGME residencies??? Yeah, I barely see the connection. If it wasn't for that D in both the titles, we'd be like apes and humans.




c. Hey Handy, are you an allo student??? I never would have guessed. ROFLMAO, your boards??? Do you really have such a pathetic, micro-world, outlook on life. They aren't your boards chief, and hahahah yeah, I'm sure the lack of vigorous (nice spelling by the way - irony), peer reviewed study is going to cause an absolute downfall. It lacks the logic and thought seen in the 9000 'I HAVE A 3.99 AND 42T, AM I SCREWED???' threads seen in the clearly superior pre-allo threads.



d. Why do you even speak??? DO student: 4 year undergrad, pre-med classes, MCAT, med school, USMLE, ACGME residency, BC in ABMS field. Where's the difference??? How in the name of God would you even know the differences?? Where were you born? God you sicken me. Seriously, you're so pathetic. I know I dislike you as a human just from the things you type on the internet. If you're the type of elitst, repulsive mindset that lurks in the pre-allo, allo forums, then screw it, keep them separate. That's always a good thing, right???

 

[Handy388]

The Caribbean forum isn't even under the same category as the allo / osteo forums. It is listed in the INTERNATIONAL forum sections because it is an INTERNATIONAL school, while US-MD and US-DO are DOMESTIC schools.

If we wanted to use your reasoning then we should put all international schools (europe, canada, asia, ect) in the same forum because after all we all are medical students. 🙄

M3/M4 = Same Forums for everyone.
Step 1-3 = Same Forums for everyone.
Specialties = Same Forums for everyone.
ERAS = Same Forums for everyone.

Furthermore, if you look at the allo / osteo forums, they are identical besides for the occasional OMM thread, which in the last month encompasses a total of 2 threads.

You see how ridiculous this argument is now? I can assure you that there's more similarity between SGU and my school than my school and any DO school. Why is it such a big problem to group caribbean with MD and DO together?

 

[Caesar]

my one concern would have to be endless MD vs DO threads turning into flame wars.

I can assure you that that won't happen.

 

[JaggerPlate]

good luck in your happy little world.

Thanks!!

 

[JaggerPlate]

You see how ridiculous this argument is now? I can assure you that there's more similarity between SGU and my school than my school and any DO school. Why is it such a big problem to group caribbean with MD and DO together?

This comes from your experience as a student at SGU, a DO school, and a US Allo school??? Or your experience as a health professional in a third world country???

 

[TeamZissou]

I can assure you that there's more similarity between SGU and my school than my school and any DO school.

Do you truly mean this? I find it astounding you would make such a generalization without even considering the difference within the MD school community.

Mods- As much as I want to ignore comments like this, perhaps these are even more reason to merge the two forums. At least that way people would get a better idea of what each side is like (ie very similar).

 

[JaggerPlate]

Do you truly mean this? I find it astounding you would make such a generalization without even considering the difference within the MD school community.

Mods- As much as I want to ignore comments like this, perhaps these are even more reason to merge the two forums. At least that way people would get a better idea of what each side is like (ie very similar).

If this is the attitude, ignorance, and malice that will come from pre/allo students, then there is no reason to merge them whatsoever. I'll be banned in a week.

 

[ShyRem]

I have to say, originally my thought was merge the med student forums and keep pre-meds separate. I think my mind is changing with some of the ... umm... informative ... posts and opinions I've seen regarding the topic.