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Do you think females have an advantage over male applicants?
Do you think minorities have an advantage over white applicants?
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?
 
asalazar said:
Do you think females have an advantage over male applicants?
Do you think minorities have an advantage over white applicants?
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?

wrong approach.

Females, not realy.

Under-represented minorities are not on separate stats admittance tables per say, but rather can be a beneficial "bonus aspect" to your overall application. It can help a borderline good app, but it's not going to overcome severe deficiencies.

Anyone can get into school with a lower GPA if they make up for it adequately. There are several of us in the sub 3.0 GPA club who're in, and we're definitely not all URep-ed minorities.
 
mvs04 said:
wrong approach.

Females, not realy.

Under-represented minorities are not on separate stats admittance tables per say, but rather can be a beneficial "bonus aspect" to your overall application. It can help a borderline good app, but it's not going to overcome severe deficiencies.

Anyone can get into school with a lower GPA if they make up for it adequately. There are several of us in the sub 3.0 GPA club who're in, and we're definitely not all URep-ed minorities.

Agreed. Regardless of anything, you have to be a good candidate. The school is not going to take someone just because they are a minority--it is too big of a risk to accept someone who will be unable to handle the program.

My advice, do your very best and let your stats represent you. When it comes to deciding between you and the similar white guy, then you may have an edge because you stand out. Anything you can do to stand out, from your ethinicity to your involvment in service, research, etc, is to your advantage. Good luck! But, it offers great scholarship opps. I have a half tuition scholarship for being a (qualified) minority (and a minority female).
 
asalazar said:
Do you think females have an advantage over male applicants?
Do you think minorities have an advantage over white applicants?
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?

does a one-legged duck swim in circles?
 
asalazar said:
Do you think females have an advantage over male applicants?
Do you think minorities have an advantage over white applicants?
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?

Personally, I don't think there is an advantage. Minorities who believe this have a false sense of security. Minority enrollment in dental school is declining except for Asian Americans who are increasing. Also, a predominate reason that women are seeking dentistry as a career is due to flexibility. At some point, a career woman may want to have children, and dentistry provides excellent options for those who choose to have a family.

However, I have ran across a few minorities banking on their minority status to gain admission into dental school, and I know of not one of them who has been admitted yet. Admissions' committees are usually intelligent enough to see if someone is not committed, and even if a minority does gain admission with some help, they will certainly need work ethic to graduate.

My advisor at Baylor was a minority and always told me that I would have to work hard to be admitted there or any dental school for that matter and even harder to graduate and that my color had no bearing.

Moreover, I would question the committment of someone wanting to be a dentist or any professional just because of their race. I would rather seek a dental student who displayed passion and some concern for others rather than relying on quotas that were put in place due to the struggles of others and lives lost in the civil rights movement.

As an AA, I believe such an attitude brings shame to those who helped open doors for myself and others. But then again, this is just my opinion. Take care and GOD Bless.
 
Are you guys kidding me?? I'm sorry but I disagree with most of you... I definitely believe minorities have an advantage (I'm white, btw) and I believe they desrve to have the advantage! As many of you know there are sooo many posts now about "will I get in with this GPA???" "Are my grades good enough??" Yada yada yada.. And we all KNOW that if an African American woman had the same sub-par (but not awful) grades as many of you have, she would be a shoe-in to most schools simply because there just aren't many AA female dentists. So to even suggest that they aren't seen favorably upon dental schools is just plain denial.
 
Im sorry this is not related to the previous post...well it is kinda..im AA. This is my situation: im in a post bac (half way through) program, Im confident that i will have great letters of rec; im certain that i can attain a 3.5 in all of the sciences by the time i apply; im aiming for a 30 on the mcat, or at least the national average (which is still above the average for AA's-c'mon guys, lets get it together!); BUT i didnt even have a 3.0 in undergrad (Go Morehouse!), plus i still havent volunteered consistently...and i plan on taking the mcat in a year.....someone please tell me what i should be doing now to prepare for the mcat, and what might my chances be as an AA(c'mon guys lets get it together!)?
George
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heygcolemd said:
Im sorry this is not related to the previous post...well it is kinda..im AA. This is my situation: im in a post bac (half way through) program, Im confident that i will have great letters of rec; im certain that i can attain a 3.5 in all of the sciences by the time i apply; im aiming for a 30 on the mcat, or at least the national average (which is still above the average for AA's-c'mon guys, lets get it together!); BUT i didnt even have a 3.0 in undergrad (Go Morehouse!), plus i still havent volunteered consistently...and i plan on taking the mcat in a year.....someone please tell me what i should be doing now to prepare for the mcat, and what might my chances be as an AA(c'mon guys lets get it together!)?
George
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It is comments like these from the URminorities that make me realize why they need a littl bit of help from the Adcoms. This poor soul doesn't even know that the mcat won't get him or her into dental school. No wonder they need a little help huh
 
heygcolemd said:
Im sorry this is not related to the previous post...well it is kinda..im AA. This is my situation: im in a post bac (half way through) program, Im confident that i will have great letters of rec; im certain that i can attain a 3.5 in all of the sciences by the time i apply; im aiming for a 30 on the mcat, or at least the national average (which is still above the average for AA's-c'mon guys, lets get it together!); BUT i didnt even have a 3.0 in undergrad (Go Morehouse!), plus i still havent volunteered consistently...and i plan on taking the mcat in a year.....someone please tell me what i should be doing now to prepare for the mcat, and what might my chances be as an AA(c'mon guys lets get it together!)?
George
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You might want to go the allopathic or osteopathic medical forums(http://forums.studentdoctor.net/index.php?) and ask around, i dont know how qualified the pre-dental and dental students are to answer your questions about the medical school admissions process(maybe a few), unfourtunately i cant help you, but good luck anyway! 👍
 
Highhopes said:
It is comments like these from the URminorities that make me realize why they need a littl bit of help from the Adcoms. This poor soul doesn't even know that the mcat won't get him or her into dental school. No wonder they need a little help huh

Take it easy, there's no need to generalize every minority for heygcolemd incompetence, its unfourtunate your going to become a health professional with that kind of attitude because this is the true way you think and feel about your future non-white classmates and colleagues, quoting Bill Plaschke from the Los Angeles Times, "Shame on You" 👎

About this thread, the fact that this woman (asalazar) is looking for a racial/gender loop hole to gain acceptance sucks, just because you dont have the most competitve GPA does not mean you cannot compensate for that with other things (mainly DAT), a myriad of factors go into the admissions process, just apply, interview and see what happens, if you need to kiss some a$$ before/during/after, do what you have to do, good luck!
 
jiffbedgerson said:
Take it easy, there's no need to generalize every minority for heygcolemd incompetence, its unfourtunate your going to become a health professional with that kind of attitude because this is the true way you think and feel about your future non-white classmates and colleagues, quoting Bill Plaschke from the Los Angeles Times, "Shame on You" 👎

About this thread, the fact that this woman (asalazar) is looking for a racial/gender loop hole to gain acceptance sucks, just because you dont have the most competitve GPA does not mean you cannot compensate for that with other things (mainly DAT), a myriad of factors go into the admissions process, just apply, interview and see what happens, if you need to kiss some a$$ before/during/after, do what you have to do, good luck!
It was a question. Calm down. You don't even know anything about me. I was wondering because of schools like Meharry and Howard. Who said I dont have a comp. gpa? You are truly mistaken! Good luck to you as well.
 
wow, jiff. ever heard of a safety school? for all you know she has a 4.0, has published numerous papers, including some that have recieved nobel prize attention, made a 27 on the DAT, and has been shadowing dentists since she was 9.

you were way, way too harsh.
 
Women do not have an advantage getting into dental school for the simple reason that statistically, they practice less than half the hours men do and generally stop practicing altogether after having children. Adcoms realize this as do dentists seeking associates post graduation. Ask any recently graduating female who sought an associateship and I guarantee she will recount how Dr. X or Dr. Y grilled her about her "long term plans for the profession". This is obviously good for the men out there practicing full time but does not help to alleviate the current dentist shortage. So NO, I believe women have a disadvantage applying to dental school because dental schools know women don't work full-time (statistically speaking).

Minorities on the other hand (what does a minority even mean any more?) don't have an advantage with sub-par grades but of course, if you have a white male and black female with identical GPA and DAT, the black female is more likely to get selected. The same is probably true for any profession or job or school out there. I would say the same is not true for an Asian or Indian female or male. I would say that an American Indian would have the greatest boost.
 
TylerDMD said:
So NO, I believe women have a disadvantage applying to dental school because dental schools know women don't work full-time (statistically speaking).

I appreciate it if you could tell us where you saw that statistic.
 
asalazar said:
Do you think females have an advantage over male applicants?
Maybe in China.
asalazar said:
Do you think minorities have an advantage over white applicants?
Isn't it obvious?
asalazar said:
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?
No

By the way, I'm getting really sick of this *****.
 
Women in Dentistry

Authors
Ross, DDS of UT-Mem
Scarbecz, PhD of UT-Mem

Currently, women make up about 19 percent of U.S. dentists,3 and the American Dental Association projects that women will be 28 percent of the dental workforce by the year 2020.1 Still, dentistry is behind medicine in that more than 30 percent of U.S. physicians are women.3

Female dentists in the United States are younger than their male colleagues. According to the latest data available, 80 percent are age 44 or under, while more than 60 percent of male dentists are age 45 or older.4 Compared to their male colleagues, women are less likely to be in solo practices and more likely to be employees or independent contractors. Fifty-three percent of female dentists are solo practitioners compared to 75 percent of male dentists, and 29 percent of women are employees or independent contractors compared to 8 percent of men.4 While this discrepancy is in part a function of age differences, women tend to move more slowly into solo practice arrangements than men.

Slightly more than half of all female and male dentists work full-time (between 32 and 42 hours per week). Women are somewhat more likely than men to work part-time: 28 percent vs. 15 percent, and are less likely to work overtime: 16 percent vs. 30 percent. A recent study indicated that marital status does not appear to have an impact on work hours among female dentists. However, having children reduces women’s work hours by nearly one workday per week, on average.5

Gender differences in income are frequent topics of discussion. According to a 1995 ADA survey, nearly two-thirds of female dentists believe that they earn less than their male counterparts, while nearly two-thirds of male dentists believe that there is no gender difference in dentists’ income levels.4 The existing data, however, indicates that the perceptions of female dentists are more accurate than those of their male colleagues.

A comparison of the average income of all female dentists with the average income of all male dentists is not a useful indicator of income inequality, because, as we have indicated, there are substantial gender differences in practice arrangements and experience among U.S. dentists. Still, when comparing the average net annual income of full-time male and female practitioners who have been out of dental school less than 10 years, women earned only 64 percent of what men earn. Additionally, among dentists in all age groups, women who were partners or who were in solo practice only earned 58 percent and 73 percent, respectively, of what men earned in the same practice arrangements. Women as employees only earned 47 percent of what men earn as dental practice employees.4 By comparison, in 1995, the ratio of female to male income among full-time workers in the United States with a bachelor’s degree or a higher level of education was 61 percent.6

A study conducted by Brown and Lazar7 in 1998 attempted to clarify the income picture by focusing solely on women and men who had similar practice characteristics and levels of experience. They analyzed income data from general practitioners who worked full-time, were less than 40 years old, had fewer than 20 years of experience, and who were also partners or sole owners of their practices. In that study, the average difference between male and female dentists in terms of net annual income was approximately $26,000, and the difference in hourly income was approximately $12. Gender was still an important predictor of income for dentists, even after taking into account additional factors such as age, experience, work hours, race, and regional location. The authors hypothesized that having children would reduce women’s net income due to the time required for family activities. The average annual income of male dentists actually increased slightly as their number of children increased. The effect of children on the income of women was more variable. Women with no children earned an annual average of $91,000; with one child, $107,000; and with three or more children, $98,000. Thus, the effect of children on income was inconsistent across gender categories and does not help us to understand why income differences exist between male and female general practitioners.

With respect to balancing the demands of dentistry and home life, women bear the brunt of the burden. According to the 1995 ADA survey, women dentists spent an average of 15 hours a week in “leisure with children,” 11 hours a week in childcare, and nine hours a week in housework.8 Combined, female dentists spent about double the amount of time in these activities than their male colleagues, adding what amounts to a substantial “second shift” of work to their lives.9 Women were also more likely than men to take a leave of absence from work for childrearing and more likely to take longer leaves of absence for that purpose.8
Women in the pipeline

The number of women in the pipeline for a career in dentistry has grown dramatically over the last 30 years. Enrollment of women in U.S. dental schools now stands at 44 percent;10 in 1970, only 1 percent of dental students were women.1 Additionally, women make up a larger proportion of the available candidates for dental school, and they come from a variety of backgrounds. For every 100 bachelor’s degrees earned by men in the United States, women earn 33 more.3 Furthermore, nearly one-third of female dentists had a previous occupation prior to dental school, compared to 15 percent of men. Of those women who had a previous occupation, more than 40 percent were in a dental-related occupation.4

The primary focus of our research has been women in the dental pipeline. We surveyed 430 first-year students from nine geographically dispersed U.S. dental schools in 2000 to 2001. We asked students about their motives for entering dental school and their aspirations regarding postgraduate dental education and practice arrangements. In 2003 to 2004, we resurveyed the same students. We asked these senior dental students about their aspirations regarding postgraduate dental education and practice arrangements, and the factors that influenced their decisions. In the fourth-year survey, 172 students from six of the original nine schools participated. To the best of our knowledge, this constituted the first longitudinal survey of dental students in the United States.

In our analysis of the first-year data, we found that students’ motives for attending dental school appeared to be organized into four distinct areas. The first cluster focused on money issues, and reflected the importance of financial and job security aspects of a dental career to students. The second cluster was a set of people-related motives. Students who gave high ratings to these motives thought that caring for and helping other people were important reasons for attending dental school. The third cluster centered on the notion of flexibility, and suggested that the freedom and flexibility that dentists have in scheduling their work relative to other professions, both health-care-related and otherwise, is important to dental students. The fourth cluster focused on business-related motives for becoming a dentist, and the degree to which students stressed self-employment and being one’s own boss as important reasons for pursuing a dental career.
 
Our data showed that both women and men found the financial aspects of a dental career equally important as a motive for attending dental school. The perceived flexibility of a dental career was also equally important to both men and women. On the other hand, male students rated business-related motives as being more important in their decision to pursue dental school than did female students. Conversely, female students rated caring or helping motives as more important than did their male counterparts.

When asked about their aspirations following dental school, significant gender differences among first-year students emerged. Despite the fact that first-year students are not likely to have a great deal of in-depth knowledge about dental specialties, with the exception of pediatric dentistry, women were less likely to aspire to postgraduate dental education than men. In fact, the most significant predictor of postgraduate educational aspirations among first-year students was gender. Furthermore, compared to men, women were less likely to see themselves in a solo practice following graduation and more likely to see themselves as an employee or associate in a dental practice.

Thus the primary significance of our first-year data is that women, even upon entry into dental school, were less likely to aspire to postgraduate education or higher-income-producing practice arrangements than were men. One possible explanation for this result may be that women lack sufficient role models - i.e., other women who are small-business owners or independent health-care providers. It is estimated that only 7 percent of all dentists in the United States are women in solo practices,1 so it is conceivable that female dental students have not even encountered women in these roles. Furthermore, other research on women’s aspirations regarding scientific careers11,12 suggests that women get less encouragement and social support for science-oriented careers than men and that women are less likely than men to perceive themselves as similar to people who pursue scientific professions.

Fortunately, our fourth-year data suggests that the experience of dental school has a leveling influence, which effectively erases some of the first-year gender differences. Both male and female fourth-year students perceived themselves to be equally competent as a dentist. Additionally, substantial majorities of both women and men said that, if given the opportunity to reconsider, they would choose a career in dentistry again.

Women in the fourth-year survey were more likely than men to have plans to pursue postgraduate education (45 percent vs. 33 percent), more likely than men to report that they had a mentor in dental school (55 percent vs. 44 percent), and more likely to report that their mentor encouraged them to pursue postgraduate education.

Additional analysis of our fourth-year data indicated that gender was no longer a significant predictor of students’ plans to pursue postgraduate dental education. Also, students’ original first-year predictions regarding the pursuit of postgraduate education did not predict whether, as a fourth-year student, they were actually planning postgraduate education in a dental specialty area. The primary predictors of postgraduate education were, in order of magnitude, dental school grades, marital status, and mentoring. Students who had a dental school mentor and students with grades above the sample median were, respectively, two and five times more likely to pursue postgraduate education. Conversely, married students were four times less likely to plan on postgraduate education than their single colleagues.

The only major gender differences that emerged in the fourth-year data were in students’ predictions of their practice arrangements five years after dental school. A greater percentage of female students than male students (41 percent vs. 16 percent) said that it was “very likely” that they would be in an associate position five years after dental school. Men were more likely than women to say they would be in a solo practice five years after dental school (73 percent vs. 56 percent).


Also of note in the fourth-year data is students’ interest in organized dentistry. Eighty percent of men and 90 percent of women expressed interest in membership in professional dental organizations. Furthermore, greater percentages of women said that they were interested in becoming active in state or national dental organizations, or in their dental school’s alumni organization. Recently, Dr. Marjorie K. Jeffcoat, former editor of the Journal of the American Dental Association and dean of the University of Pennsylvania School of Dental Medicine, expressed concern about the number of women in the “pipeline” for dental leadership positions.13 If our data is any indication, the women who make up the dental class of 2004 are interested in entering that pipeline.

Our research and the research conducted by the ADA in the 1990s suggest that women do and will continue to make up a substantial proportion of the dental workforce. Still, women are at a disadvantage with respect to income, professional autonomy (as defined by practice arrangements), and the burden of a “second shift” of homework and childcare. At the same time, however, our research suggests that the dental school experience levels the playing field for women. Fourth-year female students in our sample expressed greater interest in postgraduate education and becoming active in professional dental organizations than their male colleagues.

Overall, the vast majority of male and female dentists report satisfaction with their profession.4 However, there is still a great deal that is not known about women as dental professionals. Not much is known about the practice characteristics of women dentists including fee structures, patient pools, or practice styles, or how these factors might affect income or patient care. Little is known about the strategies that women dentists use to balance work and family demands, or how successful these strategies are. Indeed, little is known about how women and men in dental careers define success.

However, our research does point to the importance of mentoring. A 2004 report issued by the American Dental Education Association14 suggested that mentoring was important for the development and retention of dental school faculty. The report suggested that mentoring supported the growth and professional development of young dental professionals and provided opportunities to clarify goals, values, and professional choices. The report also suggested that mentors could benefit from the arrangement as well by providing them with the opportunity to stay abreast of new techniques and knowledge, and the opportunity to give back to one’s profession and create a legacy. Given the results of our research, it seems quite likely that mentoring plays no less a role in the general dental profession. Dental professionals, as full- or part-time faculty in dental schools, in their private practices, or via professional dental organizations can be potential mentors to younger colleagues. Young dentists, regardless of gender, are likely to benefit from the experience of having mentors in terms of professional growth, success in their chosen profession, and the provision of improved care.
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1 Scarbecz M, Ross JA. Gender differences in first-year dental students’ motivation to attend dental school. J Dent Educ Aug. 2002; 66(8):952-61.

2 Niessen LC. Women dentists: 1992 and beyond. J Dent Educ 1992; 56(8):555-60.

3 U.S. Bureau of the Census. 2003 statistical abstract of the United States. Available at www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html. Accessed July 15, 2004.

4 American Dental Association. 1995 survey of dentists. A comparison of male and female dentists: work-related issues. 1997; Chicago, IL:ADA.

5 Walton SM, Byck GR, Cooksey JA, Kaste LM. Assessing differences in hours worked between male and female dentists: an analysis of cross-sectional national survey data from 1979 through 1999. J Am Dent Assoc May 2004; 135(5):637-45.

6 U.S. Bureau of the Census. 1997 statistical abstract of the United States. Available at www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-us.html. Accessed July 15, 2004.

7 Brown LJ, Lazar V. Differences in net incomes of male and female owner general practitioners. J Am Dent Assoc March 1998; 129(3):373-8.

8 American Dental Association. 1995 survey of dentists. A comparison of male and female dentists: personal and family issues. 1997; Chicago,IL:ADA.

9 Hochschild AR, Machung A. The second shift. 2003; New York😛enguin.

10 Weaver RG. American Dental Education Association. Personal communication. Aug. 2003.

11 Lee JD. Which kids can “become” scientists? Effects of gender, self-concepts, and perceptions of scientists. Soc Psych Q 1998; 61(3):199-219.

12 Lee JD. More than ability: Gender and personal relationships influence science and technology involvement. Soc of Educ Oct. 2002; 75:349-73.

13 Jeffcoat MK. It’s a pipeline issue: women in leadership. J Am Dent Assoc Feb. 2004; 135(2):142,144.

14 Friedman PK, et al. Report of the ADEA President’s Commission on Mentoring. J Dent Educ 2004; 68(3):390-396.
 
CJWolf,

Who gives sh't?
 
Pikeyman said:
CJWolf,

Who gives sh't?

I DO!!! Very Good post....thanks for sharing with us!
 
asalazar said:
Do you think females or minorities can get into a school with a lower GPA than the white males?

I know for a fact that it happens, you would be surprised to know that a minority with a DAT of 14 or a GPA of 2.5 from Southern Georgia St can get in some places over a white male with a 3.7 and a 19 DAT. It's just a fact of life, nothing anyone can do about it.
 
Pikeyman said:
CJWolf,

Who gives sh't?

Sorry, it only makes sense if you can read and are fairly intelligent.

If it didn't mean much to you, oh well.
 
this is a very long and laborious article that sheds no light on the issue. There are certain basic facts and differences between the labor market and the private/health care industry.

1. Dentist pay is set based on the geographic location, insurance providers, and the supply/demand curve. A female dentist doing the same work in the same office with similar experience as a male dentist will get the same pay. In a corporate world, the pay is based on various layers of bureaucracy, HR policies, historic pays, and the "aggressive" of the employee. Because some female oriented jobs have been traditionally paid less, it's taking a long time to overcome this difference.

2. In dentistry, the "glass ceiling" is not in the profession itself. It is determined by the exposure and education of kids at an earlier age to go into this profession. In a corporate world, the glass ceiling is in the job and the corporate environment. In other words, if kids are exposed to this line of work and are provided with the adequate education, any female or male will have the same opportunity to succeed. And consequently, she or he will have the same option to specialize as long as they have the credential. In a corporate or biz structure, the glass ceiling is inherited in the years of bad practice. If you don't look like and act like your boss or your boss's boss, then they don't promote you. In dentistry, you always have the option of buying your own practice and charge the same amount as your boss if you choose to leave.

3. The pay in dentistry is commensurate to the work performed. There are various external factors that determine the charges you can make. For example, clinical density, geographic location, supply demand, public vs. private insurance and lots other issues determine what you can charge. However, in general, the same type of work in the same area garnishes similar pay. Female dentists may average less pay than their male counterparts because they do more public work or they prefer rural or more family friendly areas instead of crowded metropolitan like NYC. I don't know.

I think we should be tackling other important issues such as how do we get more minorities or women involved in this profession, or how do we education less privileged people to better take care of their teeth instead of worrying about who gets in easier. After all, we all know the application process is not fair. When you are going to school, you will undoubted be thinking how did this person next to me get in, regardless of his or her skin color, size, height, hair color or racial background.
 
DcS said:
I know for a fact that it happens, you would be surprised to know that a minority with a DAT of 14 or a GPA of 2.5 from Southern Georgia St can get in some places over a white male with a 3.7 and a 19 DAT. It's just a fact of life, nothing anyone can do about it.


this is bull. I can tell you countless of white males with bad GPA and DAT scores who got in before a minority with better credentials.

the fact of life is nothing is equal. you take some and you lose some. Why is it sometimes some one on the same plane pays $150 for the same trip that you paid $500 for???? If you start looking at his or her skin color, you may come up with a lot of different explanations.

The fact is you try your hardest, you will achieve what you deserve.
 
I know of an african american female from my school that got an interview to meharry with a 3.3 gpa and an AA of 16,TS of 15, and her PAT was 11....so i guess it helps..
 
ranark said:
I know of an african american female from my school that got an interview to meharry with a 3.3 gpa and an AA of 16,TS of 15, and her PAT was 11....so i guess it helps..



PAT of 11? wow... blindly guessing and getting 25% of the questions right would typically warrant a score in the 11-13 range depending on how well you were guessing. i mean... even if you are good at just say 1 section, say, angle ranking and get 11 or 12 our of the 15 right, and blindly guess on all the other sections and just get 3-4 right in each set of 15, you will score a 13-14 PAT.
 
ranark said:
I know of an african american female from my school that got an interview to meharry with a 3.3 gpa and an AA of 16,TS of 15, and her PAT was 11....so i guess it helps..

low stats doesnt' mean she's a weak overall applicant. **** my GPA is lower than almost everyone I know, and I didn't have problems, and I'm not a URed minority.
 
what a stupid question!

of course, everyone except chinese/indian/korean males have an advantage! even white males who are discriminated against have an advantage over the above mentioned groups.

all the "underrepresented minorities" in my class are on full rides.

ironically, it seems as if all the people of african descent in my class of from the caribbean or africa, not descendants of african american slaves which affirmative action is suppossed to benefit.

ridiculous in my opinion.

i think that i should get some benefits b/c my ancestors worked the sugar plantations and railroads
 
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