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Hey guys I just registered so I'm new to the forum. But I wanted to get some inspirational advice on getting into a med school and being a person of color. I go to SFSU and currently in my third year studying movement sciences,I'm honestly a "B" student when it comes to my science classes. I know that I'm not the smartest, but I work my ass off and try to make friends with most of classmates as well establish a friendship with my lab instructors. I know this shouldn't matter but I'm usually the only black person in my science classes,there might be one or two but that's really it. Sometimes I doubt myself cause I look around at who I'm competing with and it's mostly (not to sound stereotypical) smart Asian students and rich white students...I'm just keeping it real. It also seems like SOME of them just want to make money and they don't necessarily care about actually helping people like I do. But I digress, My instructors have told me that I would be a "shoe in" so to speak to medical schools cause of my background but I'm not really sure what to think about that. If any of you superhuman's can help me with some feed back on programs or things I should be doing it will be greatly appreciated guys.


Thanks
 
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Hey guys I just registered so I'm new to the forum. But I wanted to get some inspirational advice on getting into a med school and being a person of color. I go to SFSU and currently in my third year studying movement sciences,I'm honestly a "B" student when it comes to my science classes. I know that I'm not the smartest, but I work my ass off and try to make friends with most of classmates as well establish a friendship with my lab instructors. I know this shouldn't matter but I'm usually the only black person in my science classes,there might be one or two but that's really it. Sometimes I doubt myself cause I look around at who I'm competing with and it's mostly (not to sound stereotypical) smart Asian students and rich white students...I'm just keeping it real. It also seems like SOME of them just want to make money and they don't necessarily care about actually helping people like I do. But I digress, My instructors have told me that I would be a "shoe in" so to speak to medical schools cause of my background but I'm not really sure what to think about that. If any of you superhuman's can help me with some feed back on programs or things I should be doing it will be greatly appreciated guys.


Thanks

All people have a color. The ones that don't are likely predators from a hostile alien race. Run if you see one. I just hate that phrase. It only makes sense in the Malcolm X plaza where people majoring in ethnic studies are are abiding some ephemeral, unrealistic notion of pan-pigmented identity.

There's an underrepresented minority forum. Check it out.

But as a working class white graduate of the same school welcome and good luck. Plus these pointers. Med school is gamesmanship. No use hating on those that play it. For them it's extra money for test prep and tutors for you it's poor down trodden person needs help up so you can go back and help "your people." Don't worry, like I said, I'm not judging, and will say nothing when you take the derm gig in Santa Barabara some years hence.

You just have to get in. And decide later where you'll fit into the next pole position game at the next level. Do your thing. If its community oriented and sincere, bonus. If its research and getting published, bonus. But make the best grades you absolutely can. A's and B's at state should be attainable. And then go hard and prepare as long as you have to do well enough on the MCAT.

Being the only one or a few of something is always a bit of a challenge. As I've come to find out myself. But think of it as a test of your own ability to socialize and harmonize with different constituencies.

Do not allow, for one minute, anyone...but especially yourself!!!...to cast you as being incapable or less than for being brown or of a "certain background." Do not allow them to make you their pet or charity case. You are as capable as Ben Carson or Charles Drew and countless others of true greatness.

Here's something nobody but a working class cracker with cross cultural experience will tell you. That liberal bastion of political correctness in which you reside will happily shackle you in self-pitty with their "enlightened sensitivity." F@ck them. You're descended from people who made this country what it is. You can and will achieve excellence.

If you have to express it in other ways fine. But don't beat yourself out of competing against those other kids academically. Beat them.

Let us know how it goes.
 
Let me start by saying I understand that it's hard to be African-American and in the Bay Area... there aren't that many of us. There hasn't been another black person in any of my classes at UC Berkeley Extension... that's right, I went through Biochem, Molecular Bio, two semesters of o-chem, two semesters of physics and g-chem AND NOT ONE AFRICAN-AMERICAN. So I fully can understand the out of place feeling.

It always seemed that my classes were Whites, Asian and Jews. Don't let that discourage you though. Work hard, and you'll get what you aspire to. Do the best you can and that's all you can do. Good luck!
 
Let me start by saying I understand that it's hard to be African-American and in the Bay Area... there aren't that many of us. There hasn't been another black person in any of my classes at UC Berkeley Extension... that's right, I went through Biochem, Molecular Bio, two semesters of o-chem, two semesters of physics and g-chem AND NOT ONE AFRICAN-AMERICAN. So I fully can understand the out of place feeling.

It always seemed that my classes were Whites, Asian and Jews. Don't let that discourage you though. Work hard, and you'll get what you aspire to. Do the best you can and that's all you can do. Good luck!

Look, the Chappelle joke about frisco...("Bye-bye" in effeminate faux anglo sophistication waving to the black people crossing east on the bay bridge)...Is as funny as it is accurate. But the southeast and some of the fillmore and midtown are not on celebrity tours. And seriously the Bay Area doesn't have brown people? Mission much? Oakland much? Richmond much? Gimmieaf@ckin break ovah heah. You're in Berkeley. Did you think the hippies camping out in trees on tv was just for show?

Your point is fine. I could make the same point about DC. At least half of it. But some people don't know and your painting with a broad stroke. In the interest of accuracy. And fondness and laughing nostalgia. I had to come at you a lil bit.
 
I think you missed my point. There are no black people in PRE-MEDICAL CLASSES. I fully understand where the OP is coming from. There are definitely black people in Oakland.

I'm in Redwood City. There are no black people in this town, or in Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton. What do all the areas you mentioned have in common... oh yeah, they are poor (East Oakland, Richmond, Mission).

I came to the Bay Area from Rhode Island/Boston (states not known for their diversity) and there are a lot more black people in pre-medical classes in those states.

You know the Kermit song about being green. It's tough to be black in the Bay Area. I had security search me at the Stanford mall b/c someone called in to say a black person in a white shirt had just stolen something from Macy's (I happened to be wearing a white shirt). I was walking in downtown Palo Alto one night a little off University with a backpack and a police cruiser was following me because I was in a rich white neighborhood (that's my best guess). The cop car wasn't that subtle about it.

Skin color, race etc. ideally should not matter... I'm a fan of that view, but we don't live in a perfect world.

And seriously the Bay Area doesn't have brown people? Mission much? Oakland much? Richmond much? Gimmieaf@ckin break ovah heah. You're in Berkeley. Did you think the hippies camping out in trees on tv was just for show?

Your point is fine. I could make the same point about DC. At least half of it. But some people don't know and your painting with a broad stroke. In the interest of accuracy. And fondness and laughing nostalgia. I had to come at you a lil bit.
 
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I think you missed my point. There are no black people in PRE-MEDICAL CLASSES. I fully understand where the OP is coming from. There are definitely black people in Oakland.

I'm in Redwood City. There are no black people in this town, or in Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton. What do all the areas you mentioned have in common... oh yeah, they are poor (East Oakland, Richmond, Mission).

I came to the Bay Area from Rhode Island/Boston (states not known for their diversity) and there are a lot more black people in pre-medical classes in those states.

You know the Kermit song about being green. It's tough to be black in the Bay Area. I had security search me at the Stanford mall b/c someone called in to say a black person in a white shirt had just stolen something from Macy's (I happened to be wearing a white shirt). I was walking in downtown Palo Alto one night a little off University with a backpack and a police cruiser was following me because I was in a rich white neighborhood (as that's my best guess). The cop car wasn't that subtle about it.

Skin color, race etc. ideally should not matter... I'm a fan of that view, but we don't live in a perfect world.

Yeah I here you the peninsula is a vacuum of the darker shades. And my wife's had the same experience in stores. But it isn't as simple as just one type Asian, white, and Jewish either. And this notion that if there's not more of you there's not diversity is myopic. There's not many of me where I'm at. But there is all variety of the darker shades. From Africa to the carribean to NYC to the south and back again. So there's diversity of culture and genetics if not exactly color.

Here's the point I think you're making that will actually potentially impact the OP's application and chances of success: mentoring relationships are all about identity politics. If the person who could potentially put their stamp on your ticket doesn't see themselves in you then you're at a distinct disadvantage. And so yes. It is a tough obstacle for you, the OP, and believe it for not me as well in a less dramatic, not getting patted down by security guard kind of way.

So that was what I was, like you, hoping the OP could overcome. With more effort than the next guy not less. Because A's in kinesiology at sfsu should be cake for someone who hopes to do well at the next level. Point blank honest.
 
Fully agree on below. You need to be successful with tasks at hand now to continue to be successful. And, you can't get distracted from that, the ultimate goal. If one does well, one will be successful.

So that was what I was, like you, hoping the OP could overcome. With more effort than the next guy not less. Because A's in kinesiology at sfsu should be cake for someone who hopes to do well at the next level. Point blank honest.
 
It's not my kin classes that I have trouble with, that's actually why I chose such a major cause I knew the classes would be fun and I thought it would give me an edge on the "normal" bio or chem major on the application. It's my second ochem & physics series that is killing me right me now, luckily I have a really good instructor whose is for the most part approachable. I know that when applying for med school they're not going to look at my kin courses so much but my core science courses and number of other things. But I appreciate your guys input.
 
It's not my kin classes that I have trouble with, that's actually why I chose such a major cause I knew the classes would be fun and I thought it would give me an edge on the "normal" bio or chem major on the application. It's my second ochem & physics series that is killing me right me now, luckily I have a really good instructor whose is for the most part approachable. I know that when applying for med school they're not going to look at my kin courses so much but my core science courses and number of other things. But I appreciate your guys input.

Kin--cool name--is a great a great major. I took one of the classes when I was there and it was fun. So your strategy is clean. The 2nd part of physics and ochem is likely the hardest material you'll ever have to study. We're not engineers or mathematicians. B's are pretty good grades for those classes. As long as your a 3.4 plus student it won't matter.

There's sort of a vague consideration for difficulty of major as best I can tell but nobody's gonna count doing a cool fun major against you. It's that a 3.3 in EE is awesome. Kin not so much.

If you get out of those classes and do all right you should be fine.

If you're struggling in upper level bio classes or bio type classes in general then you should be worried. particularly since state is reasonable. not shabby. just reasonable to do well in. not that adcom's know this sort of thing anyway nationally. For them it's simply numbers, EC's, check-check-check on down the line.

Don't be intimidated if your doing well enough in those hard@ss classes. Even an occasional C won't tank you. You should just have it mind to go for A's.

Good luck bro!
 
I think you missed my point. There are no black people in PRE-MEDICAL CLASSES. I fully understand where the OP is coming from. There are definitely black people in Oakland.

I'm in Redwood City. There are no black people in this town, or in Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton. What do all the areas you mentioned have in common... oh yeah, they are poor (East Oakland, Richmond, Mission).

I came to the Bay Area from Rhode Island/Boston (states not known for their diversity) and there are a lot more black people in pre-medical classes in those states.

You know the Kermit song about being green. It's tough to be black in the Bay Area. I had security search me at the Stanford mall b/c someone called in to say a black person in a white shirt had just stolen something from Macy's (I happened to be wearing a white shirt). I was walking in downtown Palo Alto one night a little off University with a backpack and a police cruiser was following me because I was in a rich white neighborhood (that's my best guess). The cop car wasn't that subtle about it.

Skin color, race etc. ideally should not matter... I'm a fan of that view, but we don't live in a perfect world.
I agree this type of **** happens in the bay area. I knew one black kid that came from a well to do family. They gave him a corvette. In one day he got stopped 12 times in Sacramento with bs excuses. Yes, racism is alive and well.

(the kid had to get rid of the car in case you're wondering)
 
Kin--cool name--is a great a great major. I took one of the classes when I was there and it was fun. So your strategy is clean. The 2nd part of physics and ochem is likely the hardest material you'll ever have to study. We're not engineers or mathematicians. B's are pretty good grades for those classes. As long as your a 3.4 plus student it won't matter.

There's sort of a vague consideration for difficulty of major as best I can tell but nobody's gonna count doing a cool fun major against you. It's that a 3.3 in EE is awesome. Kin not so much.

If you get out of those classes and do all right you should be fine.

If you're struggling in upper level bio classes or bio type classes in general then you should be worried. particularly since state is reasonable. not shabby. just reasonable to do well in. not that adcom's know this sort of thing anyway nationally. For them it's simply numbers, EC's, check-check-check on down the line.

Don't be intimidated if your doing well enough in those hard@ss classes. Even an occasional C won't tank you. You should just have it mind to go for A's.

Good luck bro!

Yea thanks man, I appreciate the advice. The only "C" I got was in my first semester physics lab section, but received a "B" in lecture. And honestly, I find the second half of physics to be way more interesting, but still tough never the less. As far as Ochem, I'm struggling to keep my "B" but will continue to kill it in order to maintain or get a better grade "by any means necessary" lol. On a side note, what year are in medical school? And if you don't mind what like a typical day in the med school your at, if you don't mind just giving some info. PEACE.
 
Yea thanks man, I appreciate the advice. The only "C" I got was in my first semester physics lab section, but received a "B" in lecture. And honestly, I find the second half of physics to be way more interesting, but still tough never the less. As far as Ochem, I'm struggling to keep my "B" but will continue to kill it in order to maintain or get a better grade "by any means necessary" lol. On a side note, what year are in medical school? And if you don't mind what like a typical day in the med school your at, if you don't mind just giving some info. PEACE.

Sure thing. Keep the B. (raised fist) If you can get B's in those and A's in bio classes. Then to me you look ready. What do I know though? Except that we don't do that type of work in med school. It's mostly organizing and studying and memorizing information. Like General Bio. I don't recall the criteria of the various phyla. I think I can't even remember when I forgot it. It's gone. Way gone.

That's actually one of the cool things about medical studies. I was studying in a room waiting for a PBL class to start and the first years were studying cardiology. So was I. I'm a 3rd year. It keeps twisting around human physiology and pathology until they cut you loose. And then you just keep studying around what you need to know to treat your patients. On and on. But thematically contiguous.

So there's less terminal culdesacs of knowledge that you have to master.

Although it starts out a massive mountain. You keep at it. You just study every day and try to keep up. And you kind of figure out what kind of price you will pay for a certain level of performance and kind of look around for what interests you vs what's possible given the bargain you strike. And go from there.

If you're young dumb and full of cum. Then go ferocious. And get research. And take over the world. Make your defense impregnable. Take the heart of your enemies and eat their children. Like Tyson.

But there's ways through it. That can be handled with slickness. And with more serenity. Depends on what you need out of it to get to where you want to be.

So my gospel is figure out what you want to be when you grow up quickly. Join groups. Shadow. all that. Start now. Because that can guide your efforts more parsimoniously. And by that I mean maintaining your health, love life, etc.

As far as a daily life. First 2 years is tons of sedentary studying. It can be depressing. You have to work out and eat right. 3 year is really like an 18 month marathon to get to promise land--the 2nd half of 4th year where you just veg out like lizard on a hot rock.

The marathon is better quality of life than the sedentary study crunch to me. But people's opinion varies. It's highly variable. Sometimes you work close to 80 hours a week, more if you're a killer and interested in running with killers. Other rotations 30 hours of cush. If you maintain a decent study regimen throughout then shelf exams are doable. But there not easy to honor. So again. If depends on what you need out of your education. #rd year would be really hard if you needed all honors. I'm not sure I could do it even in my prime. I'm not that great at standardized exams.

I think I just bored myself to tears talking about daily life.

In short it's a lot of work and a lot of studying. And not at all interesting to talk about. You're only interested because it lies behind the veil of what you seek. And it's tough to get it in, so I understand. But when you get here, you'll see. It's just workin a job like everyone else.

PM me if you want to know anything specific.
 
Being a URM is a plus because, simply, there aren't enough URMs in Medicine.

So, if you're pulling a GPA >3, and can score well on MCAT, you're fine. Being URM isn't a free pass, as we've rejected some who's stats were too low. No school is doing you a favor by accepting you if you can't make it through the program.

Good luck!

Hey guys I just registered so I'm new to the forum. But I wanted to get some inspirational advice on getting into a med school and being a person of color. I go to SFSU and currently in my third year studying movement sciences,I'm honestly a "B" student when it comes to my science classes. I know that I'm not the smartest, but I work my ass off and try to make friends with most of classmates as well establish a friendship with my lab instructors. I know this shouldn't matter but I'm usually the only black person in my science classes,there might be one or two but that's really it. Sometimes I doubt myself cause I look around at who I'm competing with and it's mostly (not to sound stereotypical) smart Asian students and rich white students...I'm just keeping it real. It also seems like SOME of them just want to make money and they don't necessarily care about actually helping people like I do. But I digress, My instructors have told me that I would be a "shoe in" so to speak to medical schools cause of my background but I'm not really sure what to think about that. If any of you superhuman's can help me with some feed back on programs or things I should be doing it will be greatly appreciated guys.


Thanks
 
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