MOCA 2.0 Part 4 Question

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  1. ZzzPlz

    ZzzPlz ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    I've decided I'll just do the simulation to fulfill part 4 requirement for MOCA 2.0.

    Word on the street is that this requirement may change from traditional in-person simulations at a certified sim lab ($$$$) to an electronic version that would be easier and likely a lot cheaper and could be done from home.

    Anyone know anything about this possible upcoming change?

    Thanks
     
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  3. aneftp

    aneftp 5+ Year Member

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    They have invested so much $$$ into these simulations centers. I don't seecomputer simulation is in the works at least in near future.

    They probably counting on $1500-1800 per person simulation money
     
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    narcusprince Rough Rider 10+ Year Member

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    Any of you guys interested in simulation theory?
     
  5. sigrhoillusion

    sigrhoillusion ASA Member 2+ Year Member

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    Can we play SimCity instead...?
     
  6. Planktonmd

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    I agree, it would be politically difficult to tell these simulation centers that they are no longer getting that easy money, and that's probably why the ABA made the other pathways to fulfilling part 4 so ambiguous and difficult for the average private practice anesthesiologist, so you would say: screw it, I'll just give them the money and move on with my life.
     
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    narcusprince Rough Rider 10+ Year Member

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    Their is always the AANA.
     
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    :thinking:
     
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    If the simulation centers go bust the AANA will use them.
     
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    Planktonmd Moderator Emeritus Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

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    I hope some uses them so they leave us alone!
     
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  11. Hawaiian Bruin

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    Solution: boycott MOCA and stay board certified with NBPAS.

    It is soooooo nice not to have to think about MOCA anymore.
     
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  12. ZzzPlz

    ZzzPlz ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    On an unrelated note... Just did my first 30 MOCA minute questions and had 7 questions show up twice!!!!!

    Not bad for padding my %correct, I must say
     
  13. Hawaiian Bruin

    Hawaiian Bruin Breaking Good 10+ Year Member

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    So you're saying that despite paying your $210, the ABA didn't find it necessary to give you 30 unique questions?

    What a scam.
     
  14. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    Deja vu

    I did a tally of the repeats last year:

    https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/moca.1208914/

    Haven't done my questions for this quarter yet. I feel like I ought to get 783,000 MOCA PRT 4 credits and a year off from MOCA Minute for being a fellow.


    It's ridiculous.
     
  15. IlDestriero

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    You used to get 50 CME credits for completion of an approved fellowship.


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    You still get 50 CME credits...

    And I was exempt from MOCA until 2017.
     
  17. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    I have plenty of CME credits. I don't have plenty of MOCA Part 4 credits.

    If you start fellowship right after residency I think you can delay the MOCA nonsense, but I'm about 7 years into MOCA now so I need to get the boxes checked. About all I can make time for this year is the MOCA Minute silliness.
     
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    It says I can't do any MM questions now. I'm not sure why as it's a new quarter. Maybe I did so well they are giving me a year off. ;)


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    PGG, does your program have any type of sim center? Even if not one of the big accredited sites, you may still be able to get them to do a session for you, and get your 25, or whatever, points for free.
     
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    I thought it had to be a sim center approved by the ABA, is that optional?
     
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    I just check the ABA site for MOCA 2.0 Part 4 options, a MOCA sim course with review is worth up to 25 points. "Other simulation course" is also an option, but only grants 15 points. So, you would still have to document 10 points worth of other activities, which they make a giant pain in the ass to do.
     
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    USUHS has one. A year ago, the NMCP sim center was working on getting certified by the ABA for MOCA sims ... don't think that's happened yet. Getting it done free at one of those places is my plan B if I can't scratch out enough credits via the non-sim options.

    I'm not sure if my fellowship institution has one. I haven't looked. If they do, I bet it's not free.

    I can't give the ABA (or anyone else) any extra money for this nonsense. I just can't.
     
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    I thought my sim was interesting a few years ago. And the department paid for it. That helped.


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    Going to the simulation center is the easy part. Get it done in one day. The annoying part is the homework they give you afterwards which can take months.
     
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    ZzzPlz ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    Seriously? I thought it was basically a survey. Is it really that much work?
     
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    Seriously?
     
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    You have to design and implement 3 practice improvement projects based on what you learned at the simulation center.

    Admittedly, they can be as simple as you wish but it is still time consuming.
     
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  29. ZzzPlz

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    Mine will be simple and fast
     
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  30. ZzzPlz

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    Might have my wife write it :p
     
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    Oh yes, your fellowship institution has a BIG simulation center. It may not be free buy you can ask for a large discount.
     
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    I admit you have large cojones. Most would be prudent to re-certify 1-2 times before deciding to opt-out of the process. I have lifetime certification by the ABA and am re-certifying for the second and final time very soon. I agree that the MOCA adds little value to the practice of Anesthesiology and the ACE/SEE are much more valuable as a learning tool than any of the MOCA activities.
     

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