Hello all,
I realized I forgot to do the MOCA for the last quarter. Anyone else in this situation? Anyway I can make that up?
I realized I forgot to do the MOCA for the last quarter. Anyone else in this situation? Anyway I can make that up?
I am pretty sure you can. Have you tried?Hello all,
I realized I forgot to do the MOCA for the last quarter. Anyone else in this situation? Anyway I can make that up?
I got completely new questions. They were pretty good, too, this time.It's OK, the questions are the same every quarter. I was as disgusted with Q3 as I was with Q2.
All right, I don't want to fall victim to gross exaggeration and spread a falsehood with my bad attitude, so I just went into my question history and counted.
And it's not so bad as I thought. Of the 30 questions I just did for Q3, 18 were new and 12 were repeats. I owe the ABA a partial apology.
However, the repeats tend to be repeated multiple times. Worse, the repeats are mostly questions I'd answered correctly before. Getting repeats so often wouldn't irritate me so much, if I was getting them wrong. But there's no excuse for presenting the same question FIVE times in three blocks, when I'm getting it right.
Not factored into the verbatim repeats I detailed above, are the duplicate concept questions. For example, I think I've answered at least four, unique questions about renal protection for which the answer was essentially maintain euvolemia with crystalloid.
One improvement is that this time, all of my repeats were from previous quarters. I didn't get any Q3 repeats of questions I'd been asked 10 minutes earlier, which happened a lot in Q1 and Q2.
The quality of the questions isn't bad, subject to the 60-second limit on complexity. The bank just isn't big enough.
The actual counts for Q3:
Fundamental Topics: 3 (1 new, 1 repeat from Q1, 1 repeat from Q2*)
Pharmacology: 6 (2 new, 4 repeat from Q1)
Clinical Sciences, Procedures/Methods/Techniques: 4 (3 new, 1 repeat from Q1**)
Organ-Based Basic & Clinical Sciences: 13 (6 new, 3 repeat from Q1, 1 repeat from Q2,*** 3 repeat from Q1 AND Q2****)
Clinical Subspecialties: 1 new
Special Problems: 3 (2 new, 1 repeat from Q2)
*
got this question twice in Q2, again in Q3 ... missed first time, correct the next two
**
got this question twice in Q1, again in Q3 ... missed first time, correct the next two
***
got this question twice in Q2, again in Q3 ... correct all 3 times
****
got one question twice in Q1, twice in Q2, and again in Q3 ... correct all 5 times
got one question twice in Q1, once in Q2, and again in Q3 ... correct all 4 times
got one question once in Q1, Q2, and Q3 ... correct all 3 times
Several reasons.
Because it's dishonest and a waste of my time, and I shouldn't have to put up with it, especially from an organization that purports to represent me and my interests.
Because however easy the MOCA Minute thing is, at some point the ABA is going to set a pass/fail score on it. Some percentage of us are going to fail, and presumably be required to do more of this b.s. to recertify.
Because MOCA Minute was supposed to be an improvement over the q10year recertification exam. We collectively bitched and moaned about MOCA and the ABA came up with MOCA Minute, which is actually a good idea, except for the ongoing absurd cost it bears. We should keep bitching and moaning about it until they get it right.
Maybe next cycle.You guys have fun with your MOCA. I'm not doing that bullcrud anymore. Complete waste of time and money.
Just say no.
Maybe next cycle.
It's a bunch of crap, yes, but I'm not going to burn that bridge just yet.
I am board certified. By NBPAS.
More states are passing laws against requiring MOC for credentialing or insurance reimbursement.
MOC is a flagrant extortion scheme that I will not participate in. I have judged that MOCA activities do not make me a better doctor and do not benefit my patients in any way. I stay current on my own. I simply refuse to do this at nontrivial cost with no benefit.
I have zero fear of the consequences of letting my ABA cert lapse if it comes to that. Zero.
It'll be less than 75%, surelyWhat do you think a passing score is? 75% correct? I'm curious as to see what % of ABA certified Anesthesiologists score below the passing grade.
It'll be less than 75%, surely
If you look at your own question history, you can see what % of other anesthesiologists got the question right. The average seems to be in the 70s. They'll probably make the cut a couple std dev below that mean.
But we don't even know what failing means. I doubt they'll decertify anyone as an automatic action. Surely that means the fails can be remediated ... surely with some more $ to the ABA.
Hello all,
I realized I forgot to do the MOCA for the last quarter. Anyone else in this situation? Anyway I can make that up?
No I am not gonna do the moca questions and just move on. That is exactly the mentality that got us in this mess in the first place. Moca makes no gd sense. So why should i go alon gwith it..... You go along with it and next thing you know you will be answering questions every month, every week... every day...... It is all non sense.Just do the moca questions. And move on. It's 30-60 minutes of your time per quarter. I'd rather do moca questions anytime of day rather than sit a formal exam 3-4 hours 200 questions.
There is public perception. And there is reality. Public wants their docs "certified/recertifed " even if it means jack. We all know that.
Look at the AANA propaganda machine "our members are vigorously tested and up to date by getting "recertified every 2 years" we all know what a joke crna recertification (cough cough do their continuing education/attest they do clinical work). That's their recertification process.
The other day I was told by one of my pediatrician friends that the parents of a premie in the nicu were shocked to hear that an anesthesiologist was going to take care of their child during surgery. Their response was "there are doctors for that?, how hard can it be to put a baby to sleep?"No they don't. Zero people know about moca and I doubt that many people even know what board certified means
I have long thought that only people with malpractice lawsuits 2 standard deviations higher than the norm should be the ones subject to recertification.sorry i'm the dumb one here
seems to be two schools of thought on this thread. someone please explain the pros and cons of MOCA.....I'll do whatever keeps me certified so I can cash a check