D

deleted212936

Which website do you think gives the most accurate salary info?
(I've looked at salary.com, payscale, indeed.com. Is there anything I missed?)
 
About the Ads
Sep 1, 2008
5,235
2,895
Status
  1. Attending Physician
I use a collection of sites and list the stats on my blog, MD Salaries.

The problem with stats of average salary is that none are well representative. Just looking at psychiatry (my field), you are way off.

The average starting salary in academics is about $145,000. This is usually for a pretty relaxing gig supervising residents and having "administrative time".

State gigs in Texas average about $185,000 with no call, no holidays, and vacation time.

The average starting salary in private practice is about $215,000 (your 75%ile). Many of our residents start higher than this while only working 45 hours/week with little call.

If you are willing to take call, work longer than 45 hours/week, run a clinic, have PA's, be fellowship trained, or any number of other opportunities, you can blow well past $350k/year.

It is hard to explain "average salaries" when the original poster doesn't explain what venue he/she wants to work in, how many hours, etc. Not to mention that busier, more successful physicians do not participate in salary surveys because they are busy making $$$$$$.

Asking about an "average salary" in any given field is about as easy to accurately answer as the question - "How many F-150 trucks will I see today". You don't know if I'm watching a Harry Potter marathon in California or going on a roadtrip in Texas, so how will you accurately assess how many F-150 trucks I will see without giving you details?
 

thuc

Member
Apr 27, 2011
39
1
rochester, ny
facebook.com
Status
  1. Attending Physician
The problem with stats of average salary is that none are well representative. Just looking at psychiatry (my field), you are way off.

The average starting salary in academics is about $145,000. This is usually for a pretty relaxing gig supervising residents and having "administrative time".

State gigs in Texas average about $185,000 with no call, no holidays, and vacation time.

The average starting salary in private practice is about $215,000 (your 75%ile). Many of our residents start higher than this while only working 45 hours/week with little call.

If you are willing to take call, work longer than 45 hours/week, run a clinic, have PA's, be fellowship trained, or any number of other opportunities, you can blow well past $350k/year.

Hi TexasPhysician,

I definitely agree with you that stats are not well represented. It's only as good as the physicians that write back on their surveys. Plus, the stats are often reported as medians not as averages so there may be some confusion about what that means to a querent. In addition, salary is variable by practice style, geography, etc as you mentioned.

That is good feedback for me and I will update my website to make it more clear to users about the varying factors in determining salaries. I'll also link to your post because it contains good info for readers interested in psychiatry. The more numbers out there, the better it is to get an idea of what's possible.

Thanks,
Thuc
 
Sep 5, 2009
112
3
Status
  1. Non-Student
Hi TexasPhysician,

I definitely agree with you that stats are not well represented. It's only as good as the physicians that write back on their surveys. Plus, the stats are often reported as medians not as averages so there may be some confusion about what that means to a querent. In addition, salary is variable by practice style, geography, etc as you mentioned.

That is good feedback for me and I will update my website to make it more clear to users about the varying factors in determining salaries. I'll also link to your post because it contains good info for readers interested in psychiatry. The more numbers out there, the better it is to get an idea of what's possible.

Thanks,
Thuc
Starting salaries also don't take into account the fact that after year one (usually) the contract includes (in private practice and in academics, typcially) participation in a qualified retirement profit sharing plan (401k or 403b) and these permit employer contributions up to around 50k per year now, so that should skew your numbers substantially, if its not part of your salary, but you are paid it in retirement contributions which can't be touched by creditors and which travel with you from job to job. Other benefits should also be considered as part of compensation,but this is probably the big one, other than health insurance. Sometimes there is substantial life insurance as well, which can be employee owned, portable and valuable. Big difference between practices that have these benefits and those who don't. For example, the Marschfield Clinic in WI is famous for these "golden handcuffs" , benefits too good to leave, even though salaries arent' that high...
 
May 10, 2013
347
247
PA, USA
Status
  1. Pre-Medical
Starting salaries also don't take into account the fact that after year one (usually) the contract includes (in private practice and in academics, typcially) participation in a qualified retirement profit sharing plan (401k or 403b) and these permit employer contributions up to around 50k per year now, so that should skew your numbers substantially, if its not part of your salary, but you are paid it in retirement contributions which can't be touched by creditors and which travel with you from job to job. Other benefits should also be considered as part of compensation,but this is probably the big one, other than health insurance. Sometimes there is substantial life insurance as well, which can be employee owned, portable and valuable. Big difference between practices that have these benefits and those who don't. For example, the Marschfield Clinic in WI is famous for these "golden handcuffs" , benefits too good to leave, even though salaries arent' that high...

It'd be nice to see physician income as opposed to salary for the reasons you mentioned.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NotAnOperator
This thread is more than 6 years old.

Your message may be considered spam for the following reasons:

  1. Your new thread title is very short, and likely is unhelpful.
  2. Your reply is very short and likely does not add anything to the thread.
  3. Your reply is very long and likely does not add anything to the thread.
  4. It is very likely that it does not need any further discussion and thus bumping it serves no purpose.
  5. Your message is mostly quotes or spoilers.
  6. Your reply has occurred very quickly after a previous reply and likely does not add anything to the thread.
  7. This thread is locked.
About the Ads