Most allopathic-residency friendly school

[jumpingjack]

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So which DO school

• prepares you best for USMLE
• gives you time to prepare for it & take it.

I'm hearing a lot of schools skimp on the biochem and (microbio? i think it was) compared to md schools.

[I like the DO perspective, but as far as the real world goes, I'd prefer to get an allopathic residency career wise, this is what DO docs in the ER i work in have advised]

 

[CommanderRiker]

Computer, initiate personal log. Riker, William T. Stardate 4465.3.

I strongly suggest applying only to M.D. schools if you wish to gain an allopathic residency. Allopathic residencies are coveted by D.O. students and are very difficult to obtain for them. I am in osteopathic school at the moment and everyone here is filled with foreboding about the impending competition for allopathic residency slots among D.O.s.

Riker out.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

This is awesome.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Let's be completely honest, jumpingjack... You have absolutely no clue, as a pre-med, what residency program will end up providing you with the best opportunity.

At the same time, there are plenty of DO's from every school who go into allopathic residency programs every year.

So to answer your question, the best preparation that anyone can possibly receive for any board exam and matching into any residency program will be found at GA-PCOM.

 

[123880]

Computer, initiate personal log. Riker, William T. Stardate 4465.3.

I strongly suggest applying only to M.D. schools if you wish to gain an allopathic residency. Allopathic residencies are coveted by D.O. students and are very difficult to obtain for them. I am in osteopathic school at the moment and everyone here is filled with foreboding about the impending competition for allopathic residency slots among D.O.s.

Riker out.

Riker,
Have you decided it's your own personal mission to restate that response as many ways as possible without repeating yourself? People would probably take you more seriously about your DO vs MD agenda if you didn't spout the same nonsense every time. Do you have a serious issue with DO that you want people to know about? Then present it in a semblance of a logical fashion that people might consider. 🙄


TxTriathlete-Your posts about GA-PCOM make me smile. You make a good spokesperson for them. Was gonna say cheerleader but didn't want you to hunt me down and run over my tail. I'm applying to both campuses so I hope when I come to GA you can show me around. 🙂

So which DO school

• prepares you best for USMLE
• gives you time to prepare for it & take it.

I'm hearing a lot of schools skimp on the biochem and (physiology? i think it was) compared to md schools.

[I like the DO perspective, but as far as the real world goes, I'd prefer to get an allopathic residency career wise]

OP, what TxTriathlete says is true. From what I've heard.

As long as any of the schools you're looking at have had someone do well on the USMLE, then the rest is up to you. That one person has paved the way for others to do well. There are enough tools available for people taking Boards to practice with. The same is true for residencies. As long as ONE person from the DO school has gone into an MD residency, the way is paved.
*Note: This is paraphrased from someone else. When I remember my source, I'll post it. 😳

It's up to you as a student to apply yourself and ensure you set aside ample time to prepare for the USMLE. I know people who studied for their Step 1 for a few weeks and I know people who only left their 'study den' to eat, sleep, and run. The latter person scored in the upper 1-2% of national scores.

 

[coffeebythelake]

Computer, initiate personal log. Riker, William T. Stardate 4465.3. .... Riker out.

I can't help but LOL when I read this.

 

[DiverDoc]

I can't help but LOL when I read this.

hmmm. Your probably the only one. Hes probably the guy in the back of a lecture hall playing world of war craft and popping zits in the pre game lobby or something.

 

[justletmeinplz]

hmmm. Your probably the only one. Hes probably the guy in the back of a lecture hall playing world of war craft and popping zits in the pre game lobby or something.

Actually, I agree with both of you. I think the Riker thing is pretty funny. I also think it's meant to funny. If the dude is a serious trekkie, then it's still funny cause he's a dork. Either way, he probably is "that guy."

And to answer the OPs question. I'm not sure about other schools, but I heard at NSU classes end a month before USMLE, which allows for ample study time. Not sure if it's true or not though.

 

[JadinSleeper]

So which DO school

• prepares you best for USMLE
• gives you time to prepare for it & take it.

I'm hearing a lot of schools skimp on the biochem and (physiology? i think it was) compared to md schools.

[I like the DO perspective, but as far as the real world goes, I'd prefer to get an allopathic residency career wise]

Me: MS4 DO student
Grades/COMLEX: all average, nothing spectacular. No failures of any course or comlex. Definitely not the shining star of my class. Did not take USMLE Step 1 or 2.
Rotations: mostly honors, couple of passes. Did well & worked hard on audition rotations.

Result: Absolutely no problem whatsoever getting interviews at allopathic programs. I had plenty to choose from when making my match list.

You will do fine.

 

[fisko82]

hmmm. Your probably the only one.

I chuckled when I read it as well. It was funny (to me at least) cause it was so damn random to read someone posting that way ..../fisko out


to the OP: go somewhere that you know will give you a good clinical education during your 3rd and 4th years. Your first two years and prep for the USMLE will be largely self-study. So it won't matter where you go; you're going to do this on your own one way or another.

 

[nascardoc]

Please, for the love of God, don't feed riker

 

[Flushot]

Me: MS4 DO student
Grades/COMLEX: all average, nothing spectacular. No failures of any course or comlex. Definitely not the shining star of my class. Did not take USMLE Step 1 or 2.
Rotations: mostly honors, couple of passes. Did well & worked hard on audition rotations.

Result: Absolutely no problem whatsoever getting interviews at allopathic programs. I had plenty to choose from when making my match list.

You will do fine.

This is encouraging and thanks for sharing, but the COMLEX is all that is needed for allo matches? I suddenly feel misinformed 😕

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

I can't help but LOL when I read this.

People actually find this guy funny? Seriously?

 

[JadinSleeper]

This is encouraging and thanks for sharing, but the COMLEX is all that is needed for allo matches? I suddenly feel misinformed 😕

You have to be smart about it. Will COMLEX open the door to allopathic surgery, optho, rads, or derm spots? No way. You need the USMLE for those, as well as stellar grades, research, awesome rec letters, and a healthy dose of luck.

But if you're doing primary care, EM, PM&R, et, then you will be fine with COMLEX. All of my interviews were at university allopathic centers. Some of my friends did very, very well with EM interviews with only a COMLEX score.

The most important thing to understand as an MS2 DO student considering taking the USMLE is that you should only take it if you know you can crush it.

 

[Bond8204]

This is encouraging and thanks for sharing, but the COMLEX is all that is needed for allo matches? I suddenly feel misinformed 😕

Talking with DO students, the basic answer is "it depends from allopathic residency to allopathic residency." One DO student said he thinks MD residencies aren't legally allowed to say "No we do not accept the COMLEX." However, they might take your application with the COMLEX, not know what to make of that score because they're used to the USMLE (especially for your more competitive and renowned allo residencies) and simply not offer you an interview.

The way to get around this would be to find graduates of your school who ended up in an allo residency that you're interested in and ask them what they did and what they'd suggest you do. The other way would be to be blunt with the residency people and ask if they strongly recommend you take the USMLE.

The short answer to your question, though, is that yes, people get into Allo residencies only having taken the COMLEX.

 

[Seneca20]

Actually, I agree with both of you. I think the Riker thing is pretty funny. I also think it's meant to funny. If the dude is a serious trekkie, then it's still funny cause he's a dork. Either way, he probably is "that guy."

And to answer the OPs question. I'm not sure about other schools, but I heard at NSU classes end a month before USMLE, which allows for ample study time. Not sure if it's true or not though.

This is the case, and one of the big factors I chose NSU, ample time and resources are supplied. In the end it all comes down to what you do with it. I know for me I wanted the extra 2-3 weeks prep time. Hope that helps....

 

[RockfordWF]

So which DO school

• prepares you best for USMLE
• gives you time to prepare for it & take it.

I'm hearing a lot of schools skimp on the biochem and (microbio? i think it was) compared to md schools.

[I like the DO perspective, but as far as the real world goes, I'd prefer to get an allopathic residency career wise, this is what DO docs in the ER i work in have advised]

It doesn't matter which school you go to. Studying for boards is mostly self-led in your free time. You will get the same time in any school.

If you are interested in emergency medicine, you will have no advantage by going to an MD school, as residencies readily accept DO's....

 

[JaggerPlate]

Yes, do not feed Riker ... pleaseeee don't. And to the OP ... you'll be fine interviewing at allo programs as a DO, but if you are really only concerned about taking USMLE and how to match allo ... is DO really what you want?

 

[Flushot]

You have to be smart about it. Will COMLEX open the door to allopathic surgery, optho, rads, or derm spots? No way. You need the USMLE for those, as well as stellar grades, research, awesome rec letters, and a healthy dose of luck.

But if you're doing primary care, EM, PM&R, et, then you will be fine with COMLEX. All of my interviews were at university allopathic centers. Some of my friends did very, very well with EM interviews with only a COMLEX score.

The most important thing to understand as an MS2 DO student considering taking the USMLE is that you should only take it if you know you can crush it.

Thanks for the response and from Bond too. And especially about the USMLE crushing point. I starting to see more of difference between the two so it might take an extra leap to study for the two, but what do I know, right?

 

[FuturePharm21]

so what is the deal with biochem not taught or focused for COMLEX? what about USMLE? what are the big differences, I don't know, I'm only in college?

are both exams the same amount of time and scoring and topics?

When do you take these exams? And how many parts are there?

sorry I'm just curious...

 

[DragonWell]

so what is the deal with biochem not taught or focused for COMLEX? what about USMLE? what are the big differences, I don't know, I'm only in college?

are both exams the same amount of time and scoring and topics?

When do you take these exams? And how many parts are there?

sorry I'm just curious...

Start here : http://www.nbome.org/

http://www.usmle.org/

http://www.nbme.org/

Give them a quick read and then see what questions you've got...

 

[Jamers]

Computer, initiate personal log. Riker, William T. Stardate 4465.3.

I strongly suggest applying only to M.D. schools if you wish to gain an allopathic residency. Allopathic residencies are coveted by D.O. students and are very difficult to obtain for them. I am in osteopathic school at the moment and everyone here is filled with foreboding about the impending competition for allopathic residency slots among D.O.s.

Riker out.

Wow, do you dress up as Riker too for Halloween? I bet you get a lot of candy.

 

[MaximusD]

Computer, initiate personal log. Riker, William T. Stardate 4465.3.

I strongly suggest applying only to M.D. schools if you wish to gain an allopathic residency. Allopathic residencies are coveted by D.O. students and are very difficult to obtain for them. I am in osteopathic school at the moment and everyone here is filled with foreboding about the impending competition for allopathic residency slots among D.O.s.

Riker out.

You say these things as though you have absolute knowledge. Tough dude... you're in the scientific medical community. You're going to have to qualify your statements seeing as your ethos isn't quite up to snuff.

I'm not filled with foreboding, nor is anyone that I talk to. A huge percentage of PCOMers choose to match MD, and meet very little resistance in doing so. Matching MD in some of the harder specialties is more difficult, but it IS their profession. I agree that they should look out for their own first, which is why you should be a standout applicant as a DO student if you want to take a spot from qualified MD students. Think about it. It's fair and not necessarily the result of a "stigma".

Riker, I am willing to meet with you if you are at PCOM. I think we should talk. If you refuse I'm going to call you a fake in every thread you post.

 

[CorpusERdoc]

So which DO school

• prepares you best for USMLE
• gives you time to prepare for it & take it.

I'm hearing a lot of schools skimp on the biochem and (microbio? i think it was) compared to md schools.

[I like the DO perspective, but as far as the real world goes, I'd prefer to get an allopathic residency career wise, this is what DO docs in the ER i work in have advised]

TCOM & OSU-COM

(my opinion)

 

[CorpusERdoc]

so what is the deal with biochem not taught or focused for COMLEX? what about USMLE? what are the big differences, I don't know, I'm only in college?

are both exams the same amount of time and scoring and topics?

When do you take these exams? And how many parts are there?

sorry I'm just curious...

COMLEX has more musculoskeletal medicine & pathology

USMLE has more biochemistry & biostatistics

Biochem is required at both MD and DO schools, but it is not as hardcore at DO schools

 

[Anton Chigurh]

hmmm. Your probably the only one. Hes probably the guy in the back of a lecture hall playing world of war craft and popping zits in the pre game lobby or something.

 

[EEL08]

COMLEX has more musculoskeletal medicine & pathology

USMLE has more biochemistry & biostatistics

Biochem is required at both MD and DO schools, but it is not as hardcore at DO schools

What kind of biostats questions are on the USMLE?

 

[CorpusERdoc]

What kind of biostats questions are on the USMLE?

Take a look a "First Aid for the USMLE" there is a list of the formulas you need to memorize for the exam.

You won't need these on the COMLEX.

 

[EEL08]

Take a look a "First Aid for the USMLE" there is a list of the formulas you need to memorize for the exam.

You won't need these on the COMLEX.

Interesting. I will have to check it out. I was just wondering because I didn't know that it was on the USMLE and I actually took Biostats I and Biostats II for my MPH.

 

[CorpusERdoc]

Interesting. I will have to check it out. I was just wondering because I didn't know that it was on the USMLE and I actually took Biostats I and Biostats II for my MPH.

We had to take a biostats course in med school. It sucked.

 

[FuturePharm21]

Does NSU-COM OR PCOM HAVE MORE STUDENTS THAT GAIN ALLOPATHIC RESIDENCIES VS. OSTEOPATHIC RESIDENCIES? (According to stats, NSU-COM has better DO placement rates.)

 

[MaximusD]

Both are good programs. I don't know how to say this but you're starting to rub me the wrong way. Choose the one that you like better and run with it...

 

[Lamborghini1315]

This is encouraging and thanks for sharing, but the COMLEX is all that is needed for allo matches? I suddenly feel misinformed 😕

Comlex is accepted by some allopathic programs but its widely believed that an USMLE score makes your application way easier for directors to judge. In addition..if you want to hit those big time fields rads, derm, surgery..USMLE scores will almost become a requirement. Just remember it doesn't hurt to take both exams so why not take it? I am going to..you are really studying for one exam but taking them twice in different formats adding the omm part to comlex.

 

[wholehealth]

I am an MS4 from a DO school...and I did well in grades, scored a bit above average on COMLEX, did not take the USMLE...got many allopathic interviews, matched at the best allopathic internship in my state (from what the MD students say) and matched in a state university allopathic residency. Another classmate I know well...same story, a little better grades, and he got into a competitive anesthesiology allopathic residency...no USMLE. I think it depends on your background, how you present yourself at interviews, and your letters of REC. We had students match at John Hopkins, Baylor, Wake Forest, Penn State, Indiana University, University of Kentucky, Vanderbilt...just to name a few. Also to mention, my DO school is also fairly new, so I think you can't make any accusations about what school is best etc... I met many MD students on rotation that did not match, so it all just depends on what the program is looking for. A lot of being prepared is self motivation, so I personally don't think it matters where you go...you have to study...period.

Good luck.