My First Rejection!

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I just got a letter from Midwestern (AZ) saying my Science GPA/Overall GPA weren't above 2.75


That's BS! They're both over this! Do I call them? Are they talking about ONLY BCP? Or do they have a special formula I'm not aware of?



Lame.
 
Maybe someone in your family is playing a prank on you. I'd do it 😀
 
No....it's not a prank.

I seriously got this.


My BCP is below that....but my SCIENCE GPA is way above it. What do I do?
 
🙁 sorry to hear that. i would personally call them, but it's up to you. it's still early in the game, so don't fret over this one rejection 🙂
 
Yeah I'll call them but tomorrow's Saturday! Gotta wait until Monday I guess...
 
Do you think they count "Science" as BCP or actually overall SCIENCE GPA?
 
My brother got rejected as well, however, they havent received his dat scores. I was surprised that they didnt wait for his scores to come in (he is taking the test in about a week). His gpa was also higher than what it said in the letter, so who knows whats going on.
 
At least call up the admissions office and talk to a person about this. It's very likely that this was an automated letter based on whatever subset of your coursework they have the computer look at. Maybe something fell through the cracks, maybe it didn't, but talking to someone about it can't hurt. What else can they do to you?
 
Yeah...and Midwestern was on the ones I would have loved to attend to too! It's new, in Arizona, etc. LOL but I'll call Monday.
 
Skateguitar said:
My brother got rejected as well, however, they havent received his dat scores. I was surprised that they didnt wait for his scores to come in (he is taking the test in about a week). His gpa was also higher than what it said in the letter, so who knows whats going on.
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Midwestern-AZ is one school I know for sure that will not wait for your new scores if they review your application before your new scores arrive.
 
I've heard that some schools call the BCP GPA the Science GPA, but it's basically up to them to decide which one they choose.
 
Was this after you submitted your secondary?
 
Good luck bro. Hope you kill the dat :luck:& get in somewhere, 1 rejection is no big deal...
 
to the op, some schools disregard aadsas's "science gpa" since it includes math classes, which isnt the science that dental schools care about. a lady from uop told me that when uop uses the term "science gpa" they are referring to "bcp gpa"

u should still call midwestern to check, but just wanted to give you a heads up
 
schen140 said:
to the op, some schools disregard aadsas's "science gpa" since it includes math classes, which isnt the science that dental schools care about. a lady from uop told me that when uop uses the term "science gpa" they are referring to "bcp gpa"

u should still call midwestern to check, but just wanted to give you a heads up
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Actually if they took out my math classes, I'd have a high science GPA. I did poorly in those.

But yeah..
 
2PacClone23 said:
I just got a letter from Midwestern (AZ) saying my Science GPA/Overall GPA weren't above 2.75


That's BS! They're both over this! Do I call them? Are they talking about ONLY BCP? Or do they have a special formula I'm not aware of?



Lame.
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Did you get an email or a letter in the mail?
 
bconway52 said:
Then how is your science gpa higher than bcp?
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he is saying if they dont count his Math classes his BCP gpa would be higher. If they would count his math classes his Science gpa would be little lower.
 
coolslugs said:
Midwestern-AZ is one school I know for sure that will not wait for your new scores if they review your application before your new scores arrive.
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The thing is, they have no scores. Next week will be the first time he takes the dat. And his LoR's have not arrived yet. I would have thought his app would be incomplete for review.
 
Some schools have a cutoff for g.p.a. scores. If any of your scores, either it be science or any that is below it, it will be an automatic rejection. UCSF has the cutoff at 2.80. Most schools cutoff is not as high as other schools and others will consider everything besides g.p.a. before deciding. Since the schools get tons of qualified candidates, they are starting to increase the cutoffs. They should really reconsider this especially for Post-Bacc students or undergrads who did poorly their first couple years and have came to their senses and did well because if you graduated from college with a 2.0, it's impossible to bring it back up to what they want in 2 years.
 
DQLEUCD said:
Some schools have a cutoff for g.p.a. scores. If any of your scores, either it be science or any that is below it, it will be an automatic rejection. UCSF has the cutoff at 2.80. Most schools cutoff is not as high as other schools and others will consider everything besides g.p.a. before deciding. Since the schools get tons of qualified candidates, they are starting to increase the cutoffs. They should really reconsider this especially for Post-Bacc students or undergrads who did poorly their first couple years and have came to their senses and did well because if you graduated from college with a 2.0, it's impossible to bring it back up to what they want in 2 years.
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No they shouldn't...students who didn't clown around in college should be given preference first. I worked hard my ENTIRE college career, and you think that someone who didn't should be judged the same way? I really disagree w/ you here. These people chose to do this.
 
lmaozedong1 said:
No they shouldn't...students who didn't clown around in college should be given preference first. I worked hard my ENTIRE college career, and you think that someone who didn't should be judged the same way? I really disagree w/ you here. These people chose to do this.
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Don't be so quick to judge. You don't know why some people struggled in school. It may be not knowing what to do right after high school, it may be financial, it may be family reasons...you just don't know. I believe in people showing that they can redeem themselves. It take maturity to do so.
 
Destiny11 said:
Don't be so quick to judge. You don't know why some people struggled in school. It may be not knowing what to do right after high school, it may be financial, it may be family reasons...you just don't know. I believe in people showing that they can redeem themselves. It take maturity to do so.
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First off, I also had to deal w/ MANY struggles as well...I don't buy into any of it. I'm not gonna list them for confidentiality issues, but believe me, I went through many hardships as well.
 
lmaozedong1 said:
First off, I also had to deal w/ MANY struggles as well...I don't buy into any of it. I'm not gonna list them for confidentiality issues, but believe me, I went through many hardships as well.
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That's great for you. Then you should know better than anyone else to give these people a second chance (compared to people who didn't get good grades because they partied too much).
 
MWU has a specific set of cutoffs to weed out applicants at the office level. If you don't meet them, your app will not be passed down the chain. Thats the way the school rolls.
 
DQLEUCD said:
Some schools have a cutoff for g.p.a. scores. If any of your scores, either it be science or any that is below it, it will be an automatic rejection. UCSF has the cutoff at 2.80. Most schools cutoff is not as high as other schools and others will consider everything besides g.p.a. before deciding. Since the schools get tons of qualified candidates, they are starting to increase the cutoffs. They should really reconsider this especially for Post-Bacc students or undergrads who did poorly their first couple years and have came to their senses and did well because if you graduated from college with a 2.0, it's impossible to bring it back up to what they want in 2 years.
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I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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lol...

GPA is not a good scale to compare. One can go to a community college for 1 class and get an A+ in that class and that class gpa counts more than a person who took Organic chemistry at an ive league and who got an A.

B/c A+ is 4.33 and A is 4.0...

+ not only that there are many prof.'s who would just give away grades like that....

So now how do you compare a student who took 1/2 community college courses and 1/2 courses in a 4-year univ. to a person who attended 4-year univ. DAT... an equalizer....

If you can get a 3.7 then why couldn't you get a 24... b/c are you giving yourself an excuse to be lazy? since you worked "hard" for 4 years building up your gpa?...
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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You cannot compare gpa's between two applicants if they attend different schools. DAT is a measure by the dental schools to see how reliable the gpa is. Let's say one applicant attends UC berkely with a bio major and ends up with 3.1 gpa and another applicant attends less reknown and less competitve school where without even studying as hard ends up with 3.9 gpa. Who would you choose if you were adcom if the Berkely student receives a 24AA on the DAT and the other applicant receives 19AA on the DAT. I think it should be obvious... You cannot simply judge gpa without considering where that gpa was obtained and considering DAT scores which is standardized so that everyone takes the same exam and can apply what they learned and show to adcoms if your gpa is reliable or not.
 
I agree with peanut and I believe most will agree with what we said.
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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LOL half of the practicing dentists today wouldn't exist if this was implemented.
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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peanutb123 said:
lol...

GPA is not a good scale to compare. One can go to a community college for 1 class and get an A+ in that class and that class gpa counts more than a person who took Organic chemistry at an ive league and who got an A.

B/c A+ is 4.33 and A is 4.0...

+ not only that there are many prof.'s who would just give away grades like that....

So now how do you compare a student who took 1/2 community college courses and 1/2 courses in a 4-year univ. to a person who attended 4-year univ. DAT... an equalizer....

If you can get a 3.7 then why couldn't you get a 24... b/c are you giving yourself an excuse to be lazy? since you worked "hard" for 4 years building up your gpa?...
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If it's this easy, then why doesn't everybody do it then?
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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Who said they would be stepping of someone with a high GPA and DAT? If you're really confident in the application you submitted, then you shouldn't have to worry.
 
lmaozedong1 said:
If it's this easy, then why doesn't everybody do it then?
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Do what?

Are you asking me why doesnt everyone go to CC?

Are you asking me why doesnt people take easy classes or easy professors or go to easy school to raise their gpa?

I dont understand what you are trying to ask... Mr. hardworker
 
peanutb123 said:
Do what?

Are you asking me why doesnt everyone go to CC?

Are you asking me why doesnt people take easy classes or easy professors or go to easy school to raise their gpa?

I dont understand what you are trying to ask... Mr. hardworker
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i know this isn't the point but im pretty sure adcoms would prefer a 4 yr uni vs 2 yr cc/2 yr uni guy.
 
my apologies for pac for hijacking this thread
 
i would be careful what you say on this board. ADCOM do read the boards here and there....
 
lmaozedong1 said:
No they shouldn't...students who didn't clown around in college should be given preference first. I worked hard my ENTIRE college career, and you think that someone who didn't should be judged the same way? I really disagree w/ you here. These people chose to do this.
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Everyone makes mistakes and no one's perfect. So you are saying whoever didn't do well in school should just give up and let those with the 4.0's take the seats? Should you then give up your spot for someone with a higher g.p.a. then you just because they did better in school then you? It should really depend on your experiences as a whole and not focused just on the g.p.a. Great you did well in school, but what else did you do?
 
lmaozedong1 said:
First off, I also had to deal w/ MANY struggles as well...I don't buy into any of it. I'm not gonna list them for confidentiality issues, but believe me, I went through many hardships as well.
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Great for you. You should just probably give up your dreams since apparently there are other people with higher g.p.a.'s then you.
 
DQLEUCD said:
Everyone makes mistakes and no one's perfect. So you are saying whoever didn't do well in school should just give up and let those with the 4.0's take the seats? Should you then give up your spot for someone with a higher g.p.a. then you just because they did better in school then you? It should really depend on your experiences as a whole and not focused just on the g.p.a. Great you did well in school, but what else did you do?
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:laugh::laugh: Dude, my EC's will blow yours out of the water...you just sound ridiculous right now.
 
TheAviator said:
I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.
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Did not think this was a number's game. Applications are reviewed as a whole and with those scores you will probably have more options to different dental schools. But the number isn't a definite indication if you will do well as a dentist. Sure you are book smart but do you have other qualities that will make you a great dentist? If a patient can be analyzed through a piece of paper then you will do great. But they are not that is why it should be through what you have accomplished entirely either through schools or your extracurricular activities. You shouldn't sign someone's death warrant because they didn't do as well as you the first couple of years.
 
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